Topic: If Judaism never existed would it be a better world?
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Fri 09/04/09 05:33 PM
Non-religious was up to 16% by 2005 ? Woo hoo!!!

I wonder how many there were in 1950... I'm guessing 5%.

markumX's photo
Fri 09/04/09 08:53 PM
all you need to do is look at history before Abraham established the jewish faith. There were the same amount of bloodshed and wars. If religion wasn't in existence, life wouldn't be much different. Wars would be fought for some other reason.

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Fri 09/04/09 09:10 PM

all you need to do is look at history before Abraham established the jewish faith. There were the same amount of bloodshed and wars. If religion wasn't in existence, life wouldn't be much different. Wars would be fought for some other reason.


yep we will always have a fight over who is going to be King

wux's photo
Fri 09/04/09 10:00 PM
Edited by wux on Fri 09/04/09 10:02 PM


So in the end we as the homo sapiens would still find a way to conquer each other with or without a religion. There would still be atrocities commited.


It is said that at one time we where 3 different human species. The neananderthalers and the homo erectus I believe the other two were called. It is also said that we the homo sapiens had driven them out being the soul surviving humans of this planet because of our aggressive nature in comparison of the two.

It makes you wonder if the homo sapiens didn't survive how this world would be. Would it be more peaceful because of the more peaceful nature ( so it is said) of the other two human species?


The problem is that we are not certain if the neananderthalers or the homo erectus were any better off in containing aggressiveness then the homo sapiens. I mean perhaps they where as aggressive in nature also, but just didn't succeed because of lack of intelligence.

Psychologists have studied aggressiveness in animals for many years. They have seen that it is only used for survival technics for a few hours until their stomachs are full. This was the case for us for thousands of years until we have become more technologically inclined.

Another problem that poses a problem is:

Before the humans came the world animals were also eating each other up. One had to survive by killing something even if it is just a simple plant. It hasn't changed today either! We still need to do the same thing.

This then leads back to what philosophers have been asking for thousands upon thousands of years. Why we must live in such a state to have to end life to stay alive?

That is where religion began to play a role in peoples lives as some believed to have the answers. And because they believed to have the answers many started to believe with them to create a group of believers. Eventually when writing was more effective those beliefs began to have a name. A name that people will know off creating religions.

I of course do not have the answers, but I do have a good time seeing the different view points minglers give such as the one I offer in this thread.

Whatever it is worth (together) we will find a way. drinker




Girl, I see great danger for me where you walk.

You posed the question as a Jewish dilemma. Then you went over to discussing how only the most aggressive survive, and perhaps the world would be better if less agressive humanoid species survived.

I am waiting for you to switch back to the Jews, and tell us that they are the plague in the world.

I am Jewish, and I tell you, if your theory of the Jewish aggression and world hegemony and other nazi stuff was right, then Jews would be the only people left in this world. Much like humans are the only humanoids left in the world.

You're logically wrong, because Jews are very small in numbers in the world.

And morally, I despise you.

I wish you would take your antisemitism elsewere, like to a warm place in the bowels of the world, or to a place where the sun don't shine.

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Sat 09/05/09 08:47 AM
Edited by smiless on Sat 09/05/09 09:09 AM



So in the end we as the homo sapiens would still find a way to conquer each other with or without a religion. There would still be atrocities commited.


It is said that at one time we where 3 different human species. The neananderthalers and the homo erectus I believe the other two were called. It is also said that we the homo sapiens had driven them out being the soul surviving humans of this planet because of our aggressive nature in comparison of the two.

It makes you wonder if the homo sapiens didn't survive how this world would be. Would it be more peaceful because of the more peaceful nature ( so it is said) of the other two human species?


The problem is that we are not certain if the neananderthalers or the homo erectus were any better off in containing aggressiveness then the homo sapiens. I mean perhaps they where as aggressive in nature also, but just didn't succeed because of lack of intelligence.

Psychologists have studied aggressiveness in animals for many years. They have seen that it is only used for survival technics for a few hours until their stomachs are full. This was the case for us for thousands of years until we have become more technologically inclined.

Another problem that poses a problem is:

Before the humans came the world animals were also eating each other up. One had to survive by killing something even if it is just a simple plant. It hasn't changed today either! We still need to do the same thing.

This then leads back to what philosophers have been asking for thousands upon thousands of years. Why we must live in such a state to have to end life to stay alive?

That is where religion began to play a role in peoples lives as some believed to have the answers. And because they believed to have the answers many started to believe with them to create a group of believers. Eventually when writing was more effective those beliefs began to have a name. A name that people will know off creating religions.

I of course do not have the answers, but I do have a good time seeing the different view points minglers give such as the one I offer in this thread.

Whatever it is worth (together) we will find a way. drinker




Girl, I see great danger for me where you walk.

You posed the question as a Jewish dilemma. Then you went over to discussing how only the most aggressive survive, and perhaps the world would be better if less agressive humanoid species survived.

I am waiting for you to switch back to the Jews, and tell us that they are the plague in the world.

I am Jewish, and I tell you, if your theory of the Jewish aggression and world hegemony and other nazi stuff was right, then Jews would be the only people left in this world. Much like humans are the only humanoids left in the world.

You're logically wrong, because Jews are very small in numbers in the world.

And morally, I despise you.

I wish you would take your antisemitism elsewere, like to a warm place in the bowels of the world, or to a place where the sun don't shine.


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First off I am not a girl. Perhaps it is wise to look at a profile before writing a gender.

Second I asked a question that offers three answers for non religion and religous folks to answer. Where is antisemitism evolved there? It is a question that shares many various opinion's that are shared throughout the world and a question that has been asked many times before in many different languages.

Third I have many friends who are Jewish here in Miami where a strong influence once started in the 30s. Famous people who where Jews lived down here also. To name one Larry King. Most of them moved to New York for their careers. Many are German Jews who where the ones truly effected by the war.

My goodness I even speak yiddish with them since I am German and the language is almost the same in many ways.

and last but not least I was answering to a Mingler who gave his opinion on the matter who mentioned that religion in general had created many atrocities throughout history. Therefore, I went back in time to see the psychological aspect of why we as humans are the way we are.

I do not despise Jewish people. On the contrary as an humanitarian for over 15 years I saved lives as part of my work and the nationality or religion preference didn't and doesn't matter to me.

Perhaps your reading comprehension needs a bit tweeking for your own good before judging someone.

Reread the entire post and you will see I have no prejudice with anyone. It is a common question that many people ask including Jews here in Miami. I chose Judaism for it birthed Christianity and Muslim faiths, which covers more then half of the worlds belief system.

I question it for if a Eastern Philosophy (in specific buddhism)would be a more dominate belief system in the world (saying 60%) would there be less war and strive throughout the world in history as we had it?

I think it is a valid question and I have no answer myself concerning this. Therefore I gave three multiple answers for Minglers to decide on. Some answered worst off, some say better off, and others say no way to tell. These Minglers managed to answer in a civilized way without attacks. One of them even being a believer of the Jewish system. I guess this individual is more civilized in the approach of questions.

I don't despise you as you have mentioned, or give any sentiment to your last post. I hope you find happiness and much wealth in laughter and perhaps your faith and your mind can show tolerance to difference of opinions, even though I haven't given mine yet about the Jewish faith.

Shalom brother. drinker

tohyup's photo
Sat 09/05/09 08:52 AM
yep we will always have a fight over who is going to be King
Or we will always have fights for other people's oil, gas, ressources, military bases and occupation !!!.

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Sat 09/05/09 09:05 AM
Edited by smiless on Sat 09/05/09 09:37 AM
One can also ask questions such as if the morale teachings of the Torah is valid as a law of lifestyle, or is it invalid in today's society and much needs to be changed?

This question was actually asked from a Jewish born person who practiced Judaism for many years until he started asking questions and saw other religions that seemed more peaceful in practice. At least for him that is.

Can the teachings of the Torah still be valid for everyday faith in today's society where we are much more technological advanced to learn about other faith systems?

These are valid questions that even Jewish people ask when they study the Torah that their elders instilled in them while growing up.

These questions will have various opinions and I am sure there are civilized people (believers or not) who can answer them without threat attacks.


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Sun 09/06/09 08:30 PM
Edited by smiless on Sun 09/06/09 08:41 PM
Here is a study I have personally attained and gathered that led me to ask additional questions of "What ifs" for those interested in getting into a deeper sense of trying to understand of how it was or could have been if events would have changed.

Here is the link - http://mingle2.com/topic/show/244555


SasaL10's photo
Tue 11/04/14 09:42 AM
Am Jewish n am here just want to see the answer ..
Intresting thread thou..
As we ( Jewish ) the minority population on earth n yet we cause all the trouble ???

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 11/04/14 09:52 AM

Am Jewish n am here just want to see the answer ..
Intresting thread thou..
As we ( Jewish ) the minority population on earth n yet we cause all the trouble ???

some People are simply uninformed AzzHoles!
They go from Site to Site spreading their Venom!

SasaL10's photo
Wed 11/26/14 10:17 AM


Am Jewish n am here just want to see the answer ..
Intresting thread thou..
As we ( Jewish ) the minority population on earth n yet we cause all the trouble ???

some People are simply uninformed AzzHoles!
They go from Site to Site spreading their Venom!

indeed

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Wed 02/11/15 03:09 AM
Any belief system - which can be religious, but can also be a cultural philosophy, political movement, racial, sexual, national, territorial group, can, and has, used their ideas to get people to hate or target another group as bad or evil. Yet some ideas from these same belief systems has also been used with 'good' intentions.

This makes questions, like the one this thread asked, meaningless, as if there were not terrible humans behaviour before Judaism, or as if it and the religions that stem from it, are the root cause of what is wrong in the world today. Crazy and na�ve.

The question could be - Why do humans use so many DIFFRENT ways to hurt/disempower/de-humanise and fear other groups of people based on their beliefs and ideas?


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Wed 02/11/15 04:38 AM

Any belief system - which can be religious, but can also be a cultural philosophy, political movement, racial, sexual, national, territorial group, can, and has, used their ideas to get people to hate or target another group as bad or evil. Yet some ideas from these same belief systems has also been used with 'good' intentions.

This makes questions, like the one this thread asked, meaningless, as if there were not terrible humans behaviour before Judaism, or as if it and the religions that stem from it, are the root cause of what is wrong in the world today. Crazy and na�ve.

The question could be - Why do humans use so many DIFFRENT ways to hurt/disempower/de-humanise and fear other groups of people based on their beliefs and ideas?




"Humans" (actually the male species) want to feel powerful and they can only do this by making others feel weak. Men are just very insecure with fragile egos.

RoamingOrator's photo
Wed 02/11/15 06:11 AM


Any belief system - which can be religious, but can also be a cultural philosophy, political movement, racial, sexual, national, territorial group, can, and has, used their ideas to get people to hate or target another group as bad or evil. Yet some ideas from these same belief systems has also been used with 'good' intentions.

This makes questions, like the one this thread asked, meaningless, as if there were not terrible humans behaviour before Judaism, or as if it and the religions that stem from it, are the root cause of what is wrong in the world today. Crazy and na�ve.

The question could be - Why do humans use so many DIFFRENT ways to hurt/disempower/de-humanise and fear other groups of people based on their beliefs and ideas?




"Humans" (actually the male species) want to feel powerful and they can only do this by making others feel weak. Men are just very insecure with fragile egos.


The truth is, everything men do is just to impress women. Ergo, if you ladies would just make it a little easier on us men none of this would be necessary. Or said another way: I know I'm responsible, but it's not my fault - your to blame. happy

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Fri 02/13/15 02:43 PM

If Judaism never existed would it be a better world?

or

Would it be the same as we know it just without Judiasm that also birthed Christianity and Muslim beliefs?

and last but not least as an option

Is this world better off with the existence of Judaism?

What do you personally believe to be true?

Here are your choices again:

The existance of Judaism makes a _________ world.

1. better
2. same
3. worst







I think I had asked the question to the Jewish community using this Mingle Site in the past... 'To what extent are You, if Jewish, capable of actually practicing and implementing all or even most of Judaism?'

Nobody responded !

Perhaps those who, at the very least, have a Hebrew heritage find it necessary to proclaim Judaism as more of a cultural status, then their ability to actually practice 'Original Judaism'.

Which still beckons the question, 'Who really, is practicing Judaism?'

This in no-way implies any insignificance to the original ancient Israelites and their role in propagating Monotheistic Worship.

The Hebrew Texts (Old Testament) are still very important references for original Christianity and Islam.

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Fri 02/13/15 04:16 PM

If Judaism never existed would it be a better world?

or

Would it be the same as we know it just without Judiasm that also birthed Christianity and Muslim beliefs?

and last but not least as an option

Is this world better off with the existence of Judaism?

What do you personally believe to be true?

Here are your choices again:

The existance of Judaism makes a _________ world.

1. better
2. same
3. worst





Let me answer your question with a question.
If people didn't feel the need to ask questions about each others religions would the world be a better place.

no1phD's photo
Fri 02/13/15 05:15 PM

yep we will always have a fight over who is going to be King
....
. problem solved I am king..
. next problem.!
.WHAT..!.. I CAN PROCLAIM MYSELF KING....shh.shhh.. your king has spoken... now you may bow, and kiss the ring... try not to slobber! if you can help it..lmao
.

.

dcastelmissy's photo
Fri 02/13/15 05:35 PM
Edited by dcastelmissy on Fri 02/13/15 05:37 PM
With or without religion, when humanity loses it's moral compass and thinks all actions or opinions are okay no matter how vile and indecent they may be... Humanity loses ! No moral compass, no boundaries whatsoever! Inner guidance is the basis of everything! Without that all of humanity are nothing but predatory animals! Jmho

mightymoe's photo
Fri 02/13/15 05:38 PM



So in the end we as the homo sapiens would still find a way to conquer each other with or without a religion. There would still be atrocities commited.


It is said that at one time we where 3 different human species. The neananderthalers and the homo erectus I believe the other two were called. It is also said that we the homo sapiens had driven them out being the soul surviving humans of this planet because of our aggressive nature in comparison of the two.

It makes you wonder if the homo sapiens didn't survive how this world would be. Would it be more peaceful because of the more peaceful nature ( so it is said) of the other two human species?


The problem is that we are not certain if the neananderthalers or the homo erectus were any better off in containing aggressiveness then the homo sapiens. I mean perhaps they where as aggressive in nature also, but just didn't succeed because of lack of intelligence.

Psychologists have studied aggressiveness in animals for many years. They have seen that it is only used for survival technics for a few hours until their stomachs are full. This was the case for us for thousands of years until we have become more technologically inclined.

Another problem that poses a problem is:

Before the humans came the world animals were also eating each other up. One had to survive by killing something even if it is just a simple plant. It hasn't changed today either! We still need to do the same thing.

This then leads back to what philosophers have been asking for thousands upon thousands of years. Why we must live in such a state to have to end life to stay alive?

That is where religion began to play a role in peoples lives as some believed to have the answers. And because they believed to have the answers many started to believe with them to create a group of believers. Eventually when writing was more effective those beliefs began to have a name. A name that people will know off creating religions.

I of course do not have the answers, but I do have a good time seeing the different view points minglers give such as the one I offer in this thread.

Whatever it is worth (together) we will find a way. drinker




Girl, I see great danger for me where you walk.

You posed the question as a Jewish dilemma. Then you went over to discussing how only the most aggressive survive, and perhaps the world would be better if less agressive humanoid species survived.

I am waiting for you to switch back to the Jews, and tell us that they are the plague in the world.

I am Jewish, and I tell you, if your theory of the Jewish aggression and world hegemony and other nazi stuff was right, then Jews would be the only people left in this world. Much like humans are the only humanoids left in the world.

You're logically wrong, because Jews are very small in numbers in the world.

And morally, I despise you.

I wish you would take your antisemitism elsewere, like to a warm place in the bowels of the world, or to a place where the sun don't shine.


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tell'um, wux!

mightymoe's photo
Fri 02/13/15 05:40 PM


If Judaism never existed would it be a better world?

or

Would it be the same as we know it just without Judiasm that also birthed Christianity and Muslim beliefs?

and last but not least as an option

Is this world better off with the existence of Judaism?

What do you personally believe to be true?

Here are your choices again:

The existance of Judaism makes a _________ world.

1. better
2. same
3. worst





Let me answer your question with a question.
If people didn't feel the need to ask questions about each others religions would the world be a better place.


great answer, stupid questions get stupid answers...drinker