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 now hold on just darn minute has anybody seen king kosovo kitty that blasted sourpuss been contaminat'in my p.c. with those darn pussycat porn sites again ''can hear cat being pleasured in the background''
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In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. He was fired he said when a 4th grade student of his asked him if he was married. here is the link and story... http://www.kgw.com/news/Beaverton-Student-Teacher-Booted-Speaks-Out-On-Camera-105158199.html BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him. Seth Stambaugh, 23, wanted to be a teacher his entire life. "It's the energy I get when I walk into a classroom. It's joyous beyond belief," said Stambaugh. He grew up in New Mexico, where he was bullied and felt sheer terror by the notion of "coming out." "When I came out at 16, I felt like it was a huge relief," he recalled. He visited Portland and felt the city was very welcoming of gays and lesbians. He couldn't wait to move here. The Lewis and Clark grad student felt compelled to teach students through a program for teaching education. But he never thought that he would be tossed out of a school after he said he just told a student the truth. It was September 10th, when a fourth grader asked him the question. "The student asked me if I was married, I responded 'no.' He asked 'why?' I said it was illegal for me to get married. I said 'it's because I want to marry a man.'" Days later, Stambaugh was fired and he said no one told him exactly why. He told KGW he suspected that it was because of his conversation with that 4th grader. "I felt extremely hurt and discriminated against. Everyone in the school is free to talk about their marital status as long as they are heterosexual," he said. In a statement, the Beaverton School District wrote, "We understand this action has resulted in the student teacher alleging discrimination. The concerns were about professional judgment and age appropriateness. While the details of this issue remain confidential, the district's policy and practice is non-discrimination." So what do parents say? "He or she should not be fired," said parent Paul Chen. "I don't think anybody should be fired for giving a well though-out articulate answer to a kids' question, " said parent Mike Speer. But some parents wonder why Seth would reveal his gay marital status to a 4th grader? "I think that 4th graders know that gays exist, they hear it on the playgrounds," Stambaugh said. "To say this guy, meaning me, came out and should disappear sends a negative [message] to a gay child who could be questioning their own sexuality." The superintendent was reviewing whether to reinstate Stambaugh. In the meantime, he's student teaching at a Portland Public School. .... personally i see this as another attempt to use sexuality for poor job performance. Why tell a 4th grade student about he is not because it is illegal for him to marry a man? Looks to me like he could of just said no.. that someday he hopes to be. A 4th grade student does not understand this escecially if his parents are not for it. He planted a seed of contention possibly with this child and his parents and should of known this was possible. The news is all over this so is the ACLU. If the child would of asked Do you believe in Hell and the teacher would of said Yes and he said why and the teacher would of said what his beliefs were then all the non believers would of said this teacher was spreading religion in school. Which also i believe a quiick short answer of I just do would suffice. But if that teacher would of been fired for saying that it would not be in the news except maybe in a negative conotation if the teacher complained and anyone listened.. The only reason this is in the news at all is him being Gay and everyone hates the Gay people. This is a form of brain washing our children and has no place for the ACLU or anyone else to be making a big deal out of this except to brainwash the public and send a clear message. Do anything to a Gay person and u will pay for it buddy..Huh? Shalom....Miles =================================== In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. ==================================== Was fired for being gay, doesn't mean it had any religious influence. Some people may not want their kids taught by a homosexual teacher. They may feel it's teaching their children immoral social behavior for a lot of people regardless of religious preference don't like homosexuality. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================== BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him =================================== Same as previous mentioning. The parents may have felt uncomfortable for a homosexual teacher teaching their children, regardless of religious preference. Same with all your examples...... it's all revolved around teachers and homosexuality. Same as if a teacher with a record of murder or any other immoral action. Still nothing specifically towards religious preference. What reasons could any parent have to feel any more uncomfortable with a gay or lebian teacher versus a heterosexual one? And where do you think those ideas may have come from? I'm only asking becasue most of the misconceptions that people have about homosexuals, come from Christian extremist groups. Wow thats a hot one!I have to go to some Christian extremist group to find out about homosexuals! No it called the ability to read our bibles and understand why God destroyed a entire city because of sodomy and how he calls it a abomination. I will tell you why parents feel uncomfortable with a gay or lesbian teachers.It is because in their mind Christians are wrong and they will more likely push pro gay issues such as gay marriage and gay sex education which parents do not want their kids exposed to. |
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NOONE is born homosexual or heterosexual as we get older we decide what our preference is If that was true you would probably have a 50%/50% change being born gay or straight much like you have a 50%/50% chance being born male or female.We would also have to assume the animals are in the same scenario.Yet considering a very small minority in this country is gay I find this logic extremely flawed.There has never been any proof anyone was born gay. Everyone is born straight.Nobody is born gay. |
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NOONE is born homosexual or heterosexual as we get older we decide what our preference is If that was true you would probably have a 50%/50% change being born gay or straight much like you have a 50%/50% chance being born male or female.We would also have to assume the animals are in the same scenario.Yet considering a very small minority in this country is gay I find this logic extremely flawed.There has never been any proof anyone was born gay. |
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NOONE is born homosexual or heterosexual as we get older we decide what our preference is If that was true you would probably have a 50%/50% change being born gay or straight much like you have a 50%/50% chance being born male or female.We would also have to assume the animals are in the same scenario.Yet considering a very small minority in this country is gay I find this logic extremely flawed.There has never been any proof anyone was born gay. Everyone is born straight.Nobody is born gay. |
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NOONE is born homosexual or heterosexual as we get older we decide what our preference is If that was true you would probably have a 50%/50% change being born gay or straight much like you have a 50%/50% chance being born male or female.We would also have to assume the animals are in the same scenario.Yet considering a very small minority in this country is gay I find this logic extremely flawed.There has never been any proof anyone was born gay. Everyone is born straight.Nobody is born gay. Actually children are born neither straight or gay. They have no sexual desire, no drive. No turn ons. They are born neutral, till influences later in life directs them in a certain direction. |
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In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. He was fired he said when a 4th grade student of his asked him if he was married. here is the link and story... http://www.kgw.com/news/Beaverton-Student-Teacher-Booted-Speaks-Out-On-Camera-105158199.html BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him. Seth Stambaugh, 23, wanted to be a teacher his entire life. "It's the energy I get when I walk into a classroom. It's joyous beyond belief," said Stambaugh. He grew up in New Mexico, where he was bullied and felt sheer terror by the notion of "coming out." "When I came out at 16, I felt like it was a huge relief," he recalled. He visited Portland and felt the city was very welcoming of gays and lesbians. He couldn't wait to move here. The Lewis and Clark grad student felt compelled to teach students through a program for teaching education. But he never thought that he would be tossed out of a school after he said he just told a student the truth. It was September 10th, when a fourth grader asked him the question. "The student asked me if I was married, I responded 'no.' He asked 'why?' I said it was illegal for me to get married. I said 'it's because I want to marry a man.'" Days later, Stambaugh was fired and he said no one told him exactly why. He told KGW he suspected that it was because of his conversation with that 4th grader. "I felt extremely hurt and discriminated against. Everyone in the school is free to talk about their marital status as long as they are heterosexual," he said. In a statement, the Beaverton School District wrote, "We understand this action has resulted in the student teacher alleging discrimination. The concerns were about professional judgment and age appropriateness. While the details of this issue remain confidential, the district's policy and practice is non-discrimination." So what do parents say? "He or she should not be fired," said parent Paul Chen. "I don't think anybody should be fired for giving a well though-out articulate answer to a kids' question, " said parent Mike Speer. But some parents wonder why Seth would reveal his gay marital status to a 4th grader? "I think that 4th graders know that gays exist, they hear it on the playgrounds," Stambaugh said. "To say this guy, meaning me, came out and should disappear sends a negative [message] to a gay child who could be questioning their own sexuality." The superintendent was reviewing whether to reinstate Stambaugh. In the meantime, he's student teaching at a Portland Public School. .... personally i see this as another attempt to use sexuality for poor job performance. Why tell a 4th grade student about he is not because it is illegal for him to marry a man? Looks to me like he could of just said no.. that someday he hopes to be. A 4th grade student does not understand this escecially if his parents are not for it. He planted a seed of contention possibly with this child and his parents and should of known this was possible. The news is all over this so is the ACLU. If the child would of asked Do you believe in Hell and the teacher would of said Yes and he said why and the teacher would of said what his beliefs were then all the non believers would of said this teacher was spreading religion in school. Which also i believe a quiick short answer of I just do would suffice. But if that teacher would of been fired for saying that it would not be in the news except maybe in a negative conotation if the teacher complained and anyone listened.. The only reason this is in the news at all is him being Gay and everyone hates the Gay people. This is a form of brain washing our children and has no place for the ACLU or anyone else to be making a big deal out of this except to brainwash the public and send a clear message. Do anything to a Gay person and u will pay for it buddy..Huh? Shalom....Miles =================================== In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. ==================================== Was fired for being gay, doesn't mean it had any religious influence. Some people may not want their kids taught by a homosexual teacher. They may feel it's teaching their children immoral social behavior for a lot of people regardless of religious preference don't like homosexuality. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================== BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him =================================== Same as previous mentioning. The parents may have felt uncomfortable for a homosexual teacher teaching their children, regardless of religious preference. Same with all your examples...... it's all revolved around teachers and homosexuality. Same as if a teacher with a record of murder or any other immoral action. Still nothing specifically towards religious preference. What reasons could any parent have to feel any more uncomfortable with a gay or lebian teacher versus a heterosexual one? And where do you think those ideas may have come from? I'm only asking becasue most of the misconceptions that people have about homosexuals, come from Christian extremist groups. Wow thats a hot one!I have to go to some Christian extremist group to find out about homosexuals! No it called the ability to read our bibles and understand why God destroyed a entire city because of sodomy and how he calls it a abomination. I will tell you why parents feel uncomfortable with a gay or lesbian teachers.It is because in their mind Christians are wrong and they will more likely push pro gay issues such as gay marriage and gay sex education which parents do not want their kids exposed to. most probally will not remember this from a few years ago. A high school actually refused a senior graduation because they did not answer on a test 1 question right. That question .. Is Homosexuality an alternative lifestyle? The HS would not graduate the senior and gave the person another chance to change thier answer to yes and when they refused they refused to graduate them. For goodness sake the parents filed a lawsuit and the HS backed down. Could you amagine the uproar if that same HS would of required a Yes answer to graduate if it said. Homosexuality is not an alternative lifestyle? Wow we would of been at WAR.. Shalom...Miles |
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In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. He was fired he said when a 4th grade student of his asked him if he was married. here is the link and story... http://www.kgw.com/news/Beaverton-Student-Teacher-Booted-Speaks-Out-On-Camera-105158199.html BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him. Seth Stambaugh, 23, wanted to be a teacher his entire life. "It's the energy I get when I walk into a classroom. It's joyous beyond belief," said Stambaugh. He grew up in New Mexico, where he was bullied and felt sheer terror by the notion of "coming out." "When I came out at 16, I felt like it was a huge relief," he recalled. He visited Portland and felt the city was very welcoming of gays and lesbians. He couldn't wait to move here. The Lewis and Clark grad student felt compelled to teach students through a program for teaching education. But he never thought that he would be tossed out of a school after he said he just told a student the truth. It was September 10th, when a fourth grader asked him the question. "The student asked me if I was married, I responded 'no.' He asked 'why?' I said it was illegal for me to get married. I said 'it's because I want to marry a man.'" Days later, Stambaugh was fired and he said no one told him exactly why. He told KGW he suspected that it was because of his conversation with that 4th grader. "I felt extremely hurt and discriminated against. Everyone in the school is free to talk about their marital status as long as they are heterosexual," he said. In a statement, the Beaverton School District wrote, "We understand this action has resulted in the student teacher alleging discrimination. The concerns were about professional judgment and age appropriateness. While the details of this issue remain confidential, the district's policy and practice is non-discrimination." So what do parents say? "He or she should not be fired," said parent Paul Chen. "I don't think anybody should be fired for giving a well though-out articulate answer to a kids' question, " said parent Mike Speer. But some parents wonder why Seth would reveal his gay marital status to a 4th grader? "I think that 4th graders know that gays exist, they hear it on the playgrounds," Stambaugh said. "To say this guy, meaning me, came out and should disappear sends a negative [message] to a gay child who could be questioning their own sexuality." The superintendent was reviewing whether to reinstate Stambaugh. In the meantime, he's student teaching at a Portland Public School. .... personally i see this as another attempt to use sexuality for poor job performance. Why tell a 4th grade student about he is not because it is illegal for him to marry a man? Looks to me like he could of just said no.. that someday he hopes to be. A 4th grade student does not understand this escecially if his parents are not for it. He planted a seed of contention possibly with this child and his parents and should of known this was possible. The news is all over this so is the ACLU. If the child would of asked Do you believe in Hell and the teacher would of said Yes and he said why and the teacher would of said what his beliefs were then all the non believers would of said this teacher was spreading religion in school. Which also i believe a quiick short answer of I just do would suffice. But if that teacher would of been fired for saying that it would not be in the news except maybe in a negative conotation if the teacher complained and anyone listened.. The only reason this is in the news at all is him being Gay and everyone hates the Gay people. This is a form of brain washing our children and has no place for the ACLU or anyone else to be making a big deal out of this except to brainwash the public and send a clear message. Do anything to a Gay person and u will pay for it buddy..Huh? Shalom....Miles How much do you think an average fourth grader knows about sex? Do you think they understand that their parents have 'intercourse' and what that looks like, and what that means? So if a gay or a lesbian say, to a fourth grader, I can't get married because the law won't let me marry my (g-friend or b-friend) - what do you suppose is going through that fourth graders head? Probalby - WHY NOT? To which a teacher might respond, it's always been a tradition that only men can women. At that point the fourth grader may be satisfied with the information provided and go on his way. If not, further carefully chosen word respond - as briefly as necesary - to the child. Adults, especially those who have studied and trained to work with kids have enough knowledge about how to communicate with kids at various levels. What is wrong with honesty? It is not only proper that GLBT be 'allowed' to teach, we should be happy to have them teach openly. All those kids who committed suicide, all those lonely, isolated, depressed kids who had no one they thought would understand, no one to turn to. When my son was in high school there were no openly homosexual teachers. He had a friend who committed suicide and he decided to write a school newspapaer article about what it's like to be a gay teenager - that was how he came out. Teachers he didn't know sought him out to shake his hand, students overtook him in the halls (they just wanted to talk) "I have a cousin who...." "Does your family know - how'd they react?" "My best friend is afraid...." "How can I tell my Dad?" "How did you know you were gay?" He was overwhelmed and I was relieved because I actually feared for his safety. And then they started coming here to my home. Afraid, questioning, concerned and the run aways. WHERE ARE THE TEACHERS that these kids can turn to? They are told to keep quiet, they are being fired and kids are being bullied to death. What is wrong with the truth???? |
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Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral. My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero. My children are all hetero. So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way. Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful. Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful. Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell. Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality. Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news. Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about. I made a rhyme  Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage. Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation. The value of humans should NEVER be determined by their capability, capacity or even their desire to reproduce. SEX, whether enacted through lust or love has no bearing on the outcome or intent of other behaviors. If you want monogamy - allow same-sex marriage - It will be as momogamous as heterosexual marriages are. Without the marriage contract, single people (regardless of sexual orientation or children involved)have less invested in the relationship than married couples. It's expensive to get divorced. |
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wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control? When rules and laws are made it isn't for the beneficiary of one person. It is a benefit for the entire population. Homosexual is against God's law for it isn't beneficiary in the simple fact sexual actions is for creation, creation, and oh yeah creation. Sex is for nothing more then gaining more population and making a family. Homosexuality benefits NOTHING. What ever happened to God being a "personal" God? It actually works much better that way. If fact it might be more interesting to hear: "I can't have sex, unless I want to procreate. That's what my God says." "I can't have sex with a man - my God doesn't want me to" You won't get much sympathy from the athiests but you could compare notes with other Christians to see how their relationship with Dad is working out. |
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Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral. My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero. My children are all hetero. So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way. Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful. Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful. Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell. Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality. Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news. Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about. I made a rhyme Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage. Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation. Bull! :o bulls can procreate with homosexual sex? :o Procreation isn't needed anymore. We are over populated, not under populated. So it is bull s h i t! We are not over populated in an entirely worldly view. Yes some city's are over populated. But there is ALOT of room on this planet for more people. When it's standing room only - we might have to used to hearing that little "ding" and the sound of someone saying 'G O ING DOWN'. |
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Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral. My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero. My children are all hetero. So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way. Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful. Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful. Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell. Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality. Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news. Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about. I made a rhyme Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage. Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation. The value of humans should NEVER be determined by their capability, capacity or even their desire to reproduce. SEX, whether enacted through lust or love has no bearing on the outcome or intent of other behaviors. If you want monogamy - allow same-sex marriage - It will be as momogamous as heterosexual marriages are. Without the marriage contract, single people (regardless of sexual orientation or children involved)have less invested in the relationship than married couples. It's expensive to get divorced. =============================================== If you want monogamy - allow same-sex marriage - It will be as momogamous as heterosexual marriages are. =============================================== There is no such thing as a same-sex marriage. We may have a little paper that says as so. But marriage is a holy matramony between to people in love. A man and a woman become as one flesh. It is a joining of a man and woman for eternity. Mark 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife Does not say a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife or husband. Says a man shall leave and cleave to his WIFE. Outside of that, all you have is a pointless little piece of paper claiming that the two are married. |
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Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral. My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero. My children are all hetero. So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way. Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful. Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful. Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell. Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality. Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news. Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about. I made a rhyme Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage. Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation. Bull! :o bulls can procreate with homosexual sex? :o Procreation isn't needed anymore. We are over populated, not under populated. So it is bull s h i t! We are not over populated in an entirely worldly view. Yes some city's are over populated. But there is ALOT of room on this planet for more people.  
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In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. He was fired he said when a 4th grade student of his asked him if he was married. here is the link and story... http://www.kgw.com/news/Beaverton-Student-Teacher-Booted-Speaks-Out-On-Camera-105158199.html BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him. Seth Stambaugh, 23, wanted to be a teacher his entire life. "It's the energy I get when I walk into a classroom. It's joyous beyond belief," said Stambaugh. He grew up in New Mexico, where he was bullied and felt sheer terror by the notion of "coming out." "When I came out at 16, I felt like it was a huge relief," he recalled. He visited Portland and felt the city was very welcoming of gays and lesbians. He couldn't wait to move here. The Lewis and Clark grad student felt compelled to teach students through a program for teaching education. But he never thought that he would be tossed out of a school after he said he just told a student the truth. It was September 10th, when a fourth grader asked him the question. "The student asked me if I was married, I responded 'no.' He asked 'why?' I said it was illegal for me to get married. I said 'it's because I want to marry a man.'" Days later, Stambaugh was fired and he said no one told him exactly why. He told KGW he suspected that it was because of his conversation with that 4th grader. "I felt extremely hurt and discriminated against. Everyone in the school is free to talk about their marital status as long as they are heterosexual," he said. In a statement, the Beaverton School District wrote, "We understand this action has resulted in the student teacher alleging discrimination. The concerns were about professional judgment and age appropriateness. While the details of this issue remain confidential, the district's policy and practice is non-discrimination." So what do parents say? "He or she should not be fired," said parent Paul Chen. "I don't think anybody should be fired for giving a well though-out articulate answer to a kids' question, " said parent Mike Speer. But some parents wonder why Seth would reveal his gay marital status to a 4th grader? "I think that 4th graders know that gays exist, they hear it on the playgrounds," Stambaugh said. "To say this guy, meaning me, came out and should disappear sends a negative [message] to a gay child who could be questioning their own sexuality." The superintendent was reviewing whether to reinstate Stambaugh. In the meantime, he's student teaching at a Portland Public School. .... personally i see this as another attempt to use sexuality for poor job performance. Why tell a 4th grade student about he is not because it is illegal for him to marry a man? Looks to me like he could of just said no.. that someday he hopes to be. A 4th grade student does not understand this escecially if his parents are not for it. He planted a seed of contention possibly with this child and his parents and should of known this was possible. The news is all over this so is the ACLU. If the child would of asked Do you believe in Hell and the teacher would of said Yes and he said why and the teacher would of said what his beliefs were then all the non believers would of said this teacher was spreading religion in school. Which also i believe a quiick short answer of I just do would suffice. But if that teacher would of been fired for saying that it would not be in the news except maybe in a negative conotation if the teacher complained and anyone listened.. The only reason this is in the news at all is him being Gay and everyone hates the Gay people. This is a form of brain washing our children and has no place for the ACLU or anyone else to be making a big deal out of this except to brainwash the public and send a clear message. Do anything to a Gay person and u will pay for it buddy..Huh? Shalom....Miles How much do you think an average fourth grader knows about sex? Do you think they understand that their parents have 'intercourse' and what that looks like, and what that means? So if a gay or a lesbian say, to a fourth grader, I can't get married because the law won't let me marry my (g-friend or b-friend) - what do you suppose is going through that fourth graders head? Probalby - WHY NOT? To which a teacher might respond, it's always been a tradition that only men can women. At that point the fourth grader may be satisfied with the information provided and go on his way. If not, further carefully chosen word respond - as briefly as necesary - to the child. Adults, especially those who have studied and trained to work with kids have enough knowledge about how to communicate with kids at various levels. What is wrong with honesty? It is not only proper that GLBT be 'allowed' to teach, we should be happy to have them teach openly. All those kids who committed suicide, all those lonely, isolated, depressed kids who had no one they thought would understand, no one to turn to. When my son was in high school there were no openly homosexual teachers. He had a friend who committed suicide and he decided to write a school newspapaer article about what it's like to be a gay teenager - that was how he came out. Teachers he didn't know sought him out to shake his hand, students overtook him in the halls (they just wanted to talk) "I have a cousin who...." "Does your family know - how'd they react?" "My best friend is afraid...." "How can I tell my Dad?" "How did you know you were gay?" He was overwhelmed and I was relieved because I actually feared for his safety. And then they started coming here to my home. Afraid, questioning, concerned and the run aways. WHERE ARE THE TEACHERS that these kids can turn to? They are told to keep quiet, they are being fired and kids are being bullied to death. What is wrong with the truth???? Once again I wonder what year you are living in and on what planet?There is no law preventing homosexual teachers from teaching and I am sure there are thousands all over America.There has been laws for at least 20 years telling employers the can not prohibit hiring someone based on sexual orientation.So where you are getting there are no gay teachers in our schools and colleges I have no idea. You think 4th graders don't ask where babies come from sooner or later?You want to talk about confusion.Try explaining to a 4th grader how two men have sex and how two women get pregnant.I do not need to teach a 4th grader about anal sex,strap ons,drag queens,sperm donors and artificially insemination for lesbians.Just like I don't need to teach them about bondage,golden showers,whips and chains,and everything else that is totally useless to a 4th grader. Homosexuality is a lifestyle that you can not force people to accept or like.Homosexuals should know if they are going to be openly gay many people are going to treat them different and not be comfortable around them.You may think it's normal and acceptable but the majority do not. |
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wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control? When rules and laws are made it isn't for the beneficiary of one person. It is a benefit for the entire population. Homosexual is against God's law for it isn't beneficiary in the simple fact sexual actions is for creation, creation, and oh yeah creation. Sex is for nothing more then gaining more population and making a family. Homosexuality benefits NOTHING. Not true. How does it benefit the world as a whole? Not individual benefits, but benefits for the entire planet? The same benefits as a heterosexual or bi sexual relationship does. People loving and enjoying their life together, raising children, whatever. All relationships can do the same exact things together. No, there is no creation in homosexual sex, so not the exact benefits of heterosexual sex. Sex is purely for creation. Other use then that it is lust, lustful desires, ect. Well, since homosexuals can't reproduce with their chosen parner at least we know it heterosexuals who are producing the homosexuals. That's one thing that can't be blamed on us... 
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wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control? When rules and laws are made it isn't for the beneficiary of one person. It is a benefit for the entire population. Homosexual is against God's law for it isn't beneficiary in the simple fact sexual actions is for creation, creation, and oh yeah creation. Sex is for nothing more then gaining more population and making a family. Homosexuality benefits NOTHING. Not true. How does it benefit the world as a whole? Not individual benefits, but benefits for the entire planet? The same benefits as a heterosexual or bi sexual relationship does. People loving and enjoying their life together, raising children, whatever. All relationships can do the same exact things together. No, there is no creation in homosexual sex, so not the exact benefits of heterosexual sex. Sex is purely for creation. Other use then that it is lust, lustful desires, ect. Well, since homosexuals can't reproduce with their chosen parner at least we know it heterosexuals who are producing the homosexuals. That's one thing that can't be blamed on us... Yes it can lol, homosexuality is just a choice, a decision. |
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in reference to homosexuality the balance has becomed unbalanced and the question that always arises is homosexuality a choice/sure it is just like i choose to be heterosexual,why did i choose cause i don't find men sexually attractive so that places me in the heterosexual catagory Homosexuality is a choice and a way of life derived from that choice. Yes someone may be attracted to the same gender, but this isn't homosexual. Homosexuality is HAVING relations with the same gender, HAVING sexual contact with the same gender. All choices. And the only way to HAVE those is to make the choice to do as such. Not forced, not anything. Willingly choosing to do as such. Wait a minute - what does 'covet mean' as in not to covet they neighbors wife? I thought that simply a DESIRE for your neighbors wife - doesn't that make you and adulterer? So if you DESIRE a same sex person then you would still have to be considered a homosexual - Desire is desire - two wrongs don't a right - Adulterer or homosexal its all in the desire. |
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in reference to homosexuality the balance has becomed unbalanced and the question that always arises is homosexuality a choice/sure it is just like i choose to be heterosexual,why did i choose cause i don't find men sexually attractive so that places me in the heterosexual catagory Homosexuality is a choice and a way of life derived from that choice. Yes someone may be attracted to the same gender, but this isn't homosexual. Homosexuality is HAVING relations with the same gender, HAVING sexual contact with the same gender. All choices. And the only way to HAVE those is to make the choice to do as such. Not forced, not anything. Willingly choosing to do as such. Wait a minute - what does 'covet mean' as in not to covet they neighbors wife? I thought that simply a DESIRE for your neighbors wife - doesn't that make you and adulterer? So if you DESIRE a same sex person then you would still have to be considered a homosexual - Desire is desire - two wrongs don't a right - Adulterer or homosexal its all in the desire. yes covet means to desire. 1. To feel blameworthy desire for (that which is another's). See Synonyms at envy. 2. To wish for longingly. See Synonyms at desire. |
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need posting in the thread ''it a new record'' going for biggest thread record yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaa
 
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Research???? Wasn't it you who said that anyone would be able to find evidence to support whatever their claims may be? Well, I don't think that was me, do you have the example and context in which I made that claim? The context was one which you assumed only your opinion or facts are "unbiased". You somehow place your opinion higher than other's and use "religion" as a reason why someone else's is inferior. However, when confronted with the tough questions, you cried about staying on topic as to avoid dealing with your own bigotry and personal judgements. http://mingle2.com/topic/show/281688?page=17 "Of course if ALL you are looking for are the ‘facts’ that confirm your own bias, you will undoubtedly find it, but you will miss an opportunity to gain a lot of other knowledge, a lot people do that, especially when they read the Bible." OH – Yea I remember that thread. The one in which Creative asked you “Why a stop light ‘ought’ to be red”. You sure did try hard to answer that question – did you ever understand what he was really trying to show you? Anyway, regarding my comment in THAT post: POSTED by Creative: Majority opinion rules? That is so, so, not a way to prove an 'ought'. Let me use that very example in order to show the absurdity in the claim. Hitler. Need I say that it is a fact that the majority of Germans believed in Hitler's principles and rhetoric. Noiw we can then apply your reasoning to this... To which you replied: Yes, you need to say it and then prove it, or at least give me an idea of what to look for. I was enjoying following the conversation so I was trying to help you by providing a resource and explaining why some concepts or ideas do not lend themselves to a simple bullet format. To gain the full perspective of complex information – it is best to do some research. It also helps to do the research before providing an opinion about the topic for the simple fact that you can reference the source of your research so that others can read for themselves in order to gain fuller knowledge that would not come across in a bullet list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany The above is very brief but if it’s not the proof you wanted, it does offers a lot of other sources with over 87 references and a couple dozen, or so, other reading suggestions, not to mention all the internal links within the writing. Sometimes gaining knowledge is not as simple as listing bullet points or summaries of personal conclusions. Sometimes it takes a lot of effort and a lot research. Like trying to understand why first degree incest is considered harmful. It might also benefit you to read about the Treaty of Versailles, a fabulous read, and it’s necessary background to understand why the majority of German people genuinely supported Hitler and his ideology, and they did so without coercion. Then Creative posted: The majority of Germans under Hitler wanted to exterminate an entire race of people based upon rhetorical advertising, a distortion of Kantian ethics, and an equally distorted view of Darwinism. That is what *is*. To which you replied: Facts that I could verify? No facts about the extortion the Nazis perpetrated on their own people to get them to conform? Since your response seemed to indicate that you had not reviewed the source I have offered, I posted the following, which includes the comment I made that you have brought up. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the ‘rise’ of the Third Reich and what preceded it. You will find the facts that support the statement which Creative made through that history. Of course if ALL you are looking for are the ‘facts’ that confirm your own bias, you will undoubtedly find it, but you will miss an opportunity to gain a lot of other knowledge, a lot people do that, especially when they read the Bible. When a resource is given and deemed unacceptable, the reason should be stated. Since there was no reason provided for not accepting the resource, but the questions persisted, I did make that comment. However, since no one in this current thread has told me why my resources are unacceptable or presented ANY information from resources, which contradict the information I used, you cannot say that my resources were selected to confirm my own bias – no other resources were presented to the contrary. So I won't be spoon feeding you anything as you have already deemed my opinions as biased and hence, any contradictory evidence you would deem biased as well. Besides, the only "true" form of evidence would be testimony of the bullies themselves or direct eyewitnesses. Neither of which has been presented here. RESEARCH - they have surveyed bulllies and witnesses and targets - that's how we know as much as we do about bullies, their methods, their reasons and about targets, and about the passive participants. If you had done the research you would have known that. |
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