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Topic: How Religion Is Killing Our Most Vulnerable Youth
Abracadabra's photo
Tue 10/19/10 05:14 PM

"With or without religion, good people will do good things and evil people will do evil things. But, for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Steven Weinberg


So true.

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Tue 10/19/10 05:25 PM


"With or without religion, good people will do good things and evil people will do evil things. But, for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Steven Weinberg


So true.
drinker agree

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Tue 10/19/10 05:31 PM



"With or without religion, good people will do good things and evil people will do evil things. But, for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Steven Weinberg


So true.
drinker agree



LOL, logic is severely lacking around here...

So you three would call someone who does evil things a good person???


Johnyjuan's photo
Tue 10/19/10 05:33 PM
Religion doesn't kill our youth instead it strengths it during these hard times giving faith in those in need of it...

MiddleEarthling's photo
Tue 10/19/10 05:39 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Tue 10/19/10 05:41 PM

"With or without religion, good people will do good things and evil people will do evil things. But, for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Steven Weinberg


"Become an internationalist and learn to respect all life. Make war on machines. And in particular the sterile machines of corporate death and the robots that guard them."

Abbie Hoffman


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Tue 10/19/10 06:02 PM

where is the research thats going to PROVE that a majority of any type of bullying is due to religious propoganda,,,is there a study showing that those doing the bullying regularly attend church or read their bible or watch christian television?


I can respond to your question but it will not be in the form you might expect. I will need to lay some important ground work in order to make my answer clear.

Research:
In social psychology a relatively small portion of the research is done in a lab setting, much of the ‘research’ can only be accomplished through direct observation in real situations, while a large portion of the research is accomplished through large representative surveys (Q & A of individuals) and then studied.

It’s possible to collect the data from these various forms of research and make inferences that would not be possible without combining the previously and separately collected data. There is a large body of research, that when combined has yielded theories related to bullying. From these theories we have learned how to identify bullying, and predict the characteristics of the bully, the target, and the passive participants.

Bullying:
Briefly – what we know about bullies is that they want to have control or power over others and to assert that power within a chosen peer group.

Bullies will determine the means of gaining their power in one of two ways. The bully may use the strategy of taking cues from peers that he or she wants to impress.

For example, if one of the group makes comments about particular characteristics of another and the rest of the group, laughs and joins in, the bully will pick up on those cues and use that strategy on the target.

The other strategy is to initiate comments here and there to determine which ones would work the best and to have a choice of strategies to make finding the right target easier.

For example, it may not always be possible to find an easy target if the characteristic belongs to a strong, self-assertive, or well connected target, an alternative strategy may be employed.

The target:
kids with disabilities, physical differences like race, body size or shape, and sexual orientation. It’s also very important to realize that these kids are commonly inhibited, insecure, have low self-esteem and tend to be anxious and somewhat isolated.

>>>>> Those are facts concluded from a large body of research and you should have no problem finding references to these facts, although much of the actual research (raw data) is a bit more difficult to find on the open web<<<<

Other Research:
Surveys conducted over the last ten years about bullying in schools can be found on the web, though only a few examples posted here.

84.6% of LGBT students reported being verbally harassed, 40.1% reported being physically harassed and 18.8% reported being physically assaulted at school in the past year because of their sexual orientation.
• 63.7% of LGBT students reported being verbally harassed, 27.2% reported being physically harassed and 12.5% reported being physically assaulted at school in the past year because of their gender expression.
• 72.4% heard homophobic remarks, such as "faggot" or "dyke," frequently or often at school.
• Nearly two-thirds (61.1%) of students reported that they felt unsafe in school because of their sexual orientation, and more than a third (39.9%) felt unsafe because of their gender expression.
• 29.1% of LGBT students missed a class at least once and 30.0% missed at least one day of school in the past month because of safety concerns, compared to only 8.0% and 6.7%, respectively, of a national sample of secondary school students.
SOURCE:(2009 National School Climate Survey: Nearly 9 out of 10 LGBT Students Experience Harassment in School) http://www.glsen.org/cgi-bin/iowa/all/news/record/2624.html


A recent survey of over 6000 lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender, youth done by the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) found that over 86% reported being harassed with 44% reporting being either shoved, pushed, kicked, or injured with a weapon due to their sexual orientation or gender
Source: (Identity.Gay and Lesbian Well-Being: Covering issues vital to the psychological health and happiness of gays, lesbians, and their families.
SOURCE: (Michael C. LaSala, Ph.D. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/gay-and-lesbian-well-being/201008/professionals-must-recognize-and-stop-anti-gay-bullying)


Lesbian or gay participants were three times as likely as heterosexual youth to report having been bullied.
In contrast, lesbian or gay youth were about 80 percent less likely than heterosexuals to say they had bullied someone, the researchers note.
Source: (2007, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/30/health/webmd/main2630785.shtml)


As you have already noted, gender orientation does not consist of any distinct physical characteristics. So at this point there are two possible descriptions of the target, aside from displaying qualities described (inhibited, insecure, low self-esteem, anxious and somewhat isolated).

Either the target is old enough to understand the complexities of gender orientation, and to have self-identified and made that identity known – or – the target chosen is simply an easy and available mark.

Now, all the targets have the types of qualities (inhibited, insecure…) and all the strategies (choosing a physical or mental characteristic) match the targets with one except the strategy of sexual orientation may not match the target, more often than other strategies would not match the target.

NOW, we get to the question:

where is the research thats going to PROVE that a majority of any type of bullying is due to religious propaganda?


So what is it about sexual orientation in this age group that makes it a dominant bullying strategy?

Here is where the research becomes the most obvious.
Since we now understand all the basic elements of bullying and since the particular strategy of a bully to use sexual orientation where no visible characteristics are necessary to match the target, we need to look around to find out what is happening in society that makes using sexual orientation as bullying strategy the most dominant and preferred choice of the bully seeking to gain the approval of his particular peer group.

Religious Propaganda the Connection:
Most people can make an almost immediate association with religion and it will only take me one example to demonstrate:

Quite obviously (to some) the Gays of this country have an AGENDA:

According to Concerned Women for America, Decades ago, homosexual activists decided to burst forth from their closets with a propaganda campaign.

They have repackaged and sold to the public behaviors which thousands of years of history, every major world religion and uncompromising human biology have long identified as immoral and sexually deviant.

At its core is a concerted effort to remove from society all traditional notions of sexual morality and replace them with the post-modern concept of sexual relativism. That is to say, when it comes to sex, there is never right or wrong. All sexual appetites are “equal.” If it feels good, do it.

Ultimately, the homosexual lobby’s primary objective is to radically redefine our foundational institutions of legitimate marriage and the nuclear family by unraveling God’s natural design for human sexuality. In so doing, they hope to elevate their own spiritual and biological counterfeit and establish a sexually androgynous society wherein natural distinctions between male and female are dissolved.
Source (Unmasking The “Gay” Agenda – J. Matt Barber. Concerned Women for America http://www.cwfa.org/articles/14696/CFI/family/index.htm )


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As the pressure groups scream for pro-homosexual policies, they simultaneously seek to prohibit all speech opposing homosexual behavior, which is viewed as harassment or contributing to it.

… In the fantasy world of these child-corruption advocates, there's an unbroken line connecting the actual bullies to any and all who stand up against sexual deviance.
… supporters of homosexuality nudge kids into a known risky behavior
… homosexuality is not an inevitable destiny, it’s a wayward yet changeable sexual inclination?
… One wonders if any of these kids ever heard a clearly articulated warning against homosexuality.
… kids should be told the truth that no one is born gay.
Source: (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=211837, Is 'gay' agenda to blame for teen suicides? October 06, 2010 By Linda Harvey Mission America.com)


The “Gay Agenda” also includes:

phony concept of “gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered” identity
(ascerting false assumptions because) People are never locked biologically into the chosen behaviors of homosexuality or gender change, which are as inappropriate for children as they are for adults. Students should be steered away from these practices, not toward them.
(Claiming that gays have human rights) There is no constitutional right to homosexual behavior or cross-dressing. Homosexuality and cross-dressing are not intrinsic to a certain subset of humans and are totally dissimilar to something fixed, like race.
(intrusion of freedom) Prohibiting discrimination based on “perceived sexual orientation” or “perceived gender identity” can only be described as a massive intrusion on freedom of conscience, speech and religion. In practice, it would be the “thought police” on steroids.
Source: http://politifi.com/news/Fighting-the-Gay-Agenda-in-Schools-197184.html


A Contrasting Religious Link:
some Christians & Christian Groups accept partial responsibility

It is difficult to have a positive self-image when much of society would tell you that what you are is abnormal or that you are a sinner and would seek to deny your civil rights and make your expressions of love against the law. Coming out in a religious context challenges all that. We can learn, in synagogues and churches that welcome us, that what we are is good; that we can love and be loved; that we are created, like everyone else, in God's image; and that God loves us with an unqualified love. Religion has the ability to transform us. With people not only hating us but also trying to make us hate ourselves, we desperately need places where we can learn to love ourselves. (by Rabbi Victor Appell, "If Only Tyler Clementi Had Been to a Gay Synagogue,")

More difficult to address are the myriad ways in which everyday churches that do a lot of good in the world also perpetuate theologies that undergird and legitimate instrumental violence.

The simplistic, black and white lines that are drawn between conceptions of good and evil make it all-too-easy to apply these dualisms to groups of people.

When theologies leave no room for ambiguity, mystery and uncertainty, it becomes very easy to identify an “us” (good, heterosexual) versus a “them” (evil, gay). . . . it becomes easy to know who it is okay to hate or to bully or, seemingly more benignly, to ignore. . . .

Ministers who remain in comfortable silence on sexuality must speak out. Churches that have silently embraced gay and lesbian members for years must publically hang the welcome banner. How long will we continue to limit and qualify our messages of acceptance, inclusion and embrace for the most vulnerable in order to maintain the comfort of those in our communities of faith who are well-served by the status quo? ("Why Anti-Gay Bullying is a Theological Issue," by Baptist minister Cody J. Sanders at Religion Dispatches.)
Source: (http://www.mothertalkers.com/storyonly/2010/10/14/1251/1526 , Religion as an Antidote to Anti-LGBT Bullying by Dana Oct 14, 2010)


SUMMARY:
Research is often a matter of making connections between facts, the question of … “where is the research thats going to PROVE that a majority of any type of bullying is due to religious propaganda”
Can be answered by following a logical progression beginning with ‘research’ collecting the data for projecting inferences and finally - direct observation within the social settings of which the inferences are widely and consistently known to take place.

In the case at hand, the social setting is consistent encompassing our entire culture. Given the tools to analyze the quesiton properly it would be impossible not to recognize the link between religion, religious propaganda, and the bullying of individuals based on sexual orientation.





You have failed to make the connection between gay suicide,gay bullying,and gay harassment tied to Christianity.Yes you pointed out some statistics showing how gays are bullied yet you place the gays front and center as the hopeless victims and totally ignore the rest of society and whine how the gays are so mistreated.And of course it has to be those pesky Christians who are committing ALL of these problems because some anti gay Atheist or Muslim couldn't possibly fathom bullying a gay person.

Since you constantly ignor the rest of society with your gays are the only victims allow me to post my own research from a website devoted to bullying.

http://www.bullyingstatistics.blogspot.com/


90% of 4th through 8th graders report being victims of bullying.

282,000 students are physically attacked in secondary schools each month.

In a recent study, 77% of the students said they had been bullied. And 14% of those who were bullied said they experienced severe (bad) reactions to the abuse.

http://how-to-stop-bullying.com/bullyingstatistics.html

1 out of 4 kids is Bullied. An American Justice Department school bullying statistics and cyber bullying statistics studies shows that this month 1 out of every 4 kids will be abused by another youth.

Playground school bullying statistics - Every 7 minutes a child is bullied. Adult intervention - 4%. Peer intervention - 11%. No intervention - 85%.

46% of males, and 26% of females reported they had been in physical fights according to the school bullying statistics.


Your information failed on many fronts


FAIL-You statistics didn't show me what religion the people who bullied the gays were.

FAIL-Victims of bullying did not say they were targeted by the church,pastors,members of a church,or a Christian origination.

FAIL-No statistics showed gay bullying and suicide was higher in Christian towns(like Salt lake city)as apposed to Atheist cities(like Seattle).

FAIL-To prove how religious propaganda is harming gays and lesbians in the United states.


Finally I would like to say that Christians are simply speaking out in support OF WHAT THEY ALREADY BELIEVE IN.The Christians did not wake up one day and say "I think we should start harassing the gays because we don't like their lifestyle".I think it is childish and immature that you expect the Christians to throw away their 2,000 year old beliefs simply because you don't like them.


I think if anyone is being bullied it is the Christians by the gays.The gays will do everything possible to rid the United states of Christianity using slander,lies,lawsuits,threats,bills,and every other dirty trick they can think of.I don't see Christians using these same tactics.



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Tue 10/19/10 06:21 PM


"With or without religion, good people will do good things and evil people will do evil things. But, for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Steven Weinberg


So true.



That has to be one of the dumbest quotes I have ever heard.Atheist countries like China who have the worst human rights records in history and are only getting worse? slaphead We could talk for years about how much good Christianity has brought the world.The homeless shelters,the food banks,orphanages,feeding people around the world,helping the poor,charity work in every country in the world and asking for nothing in return.Christians have spent more money and more time than any other religion caring for people they have never met.

Yet Atheisms role in bettering society and the world has resulted in hundreds of millions dead due to War,genocide,greed,and power.

When your looking for answers what does Atheism offer?Nothing.

When you are homeless and starving out on the streets what does Atheism offer you?Nothing.

When you have questions about where you go after you die what does Atheism offer you?Nothing.



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Tue 10/19/10 06:31 PM



"With or without religion, good people will do good things and evil people will do evil things. But, for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Steven Weinberg


So true.


That has to be one of the dumbest quotes I have ever heard.Atheist countries like China who have the worst human rights records in history and are only getting worse? slaphead We could talk for years about how much good Christianity has brought the world.The homeless shelters,the food banks,orphanages,feeding people around the world,helping the poor,charity work in every country in the world and asking for nothing in return.Christians have spent more money and more time than any other religion caring for people they have never met.

Yet Atheisms role in bettering society and the world has resulted in hundreds of millions dead due to War,genocide,greed,and power.

When your looking for answers what does Atheism offer?Nothing.

When you are homeless and starving out on the streets what does Atheism offer you?Nothing.

When you have questions about where you go after you die what does Atheism offer you?Nothing.





Steven Weinberg


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Honorary Doctor of Science degrees, University of Chicago, Knox College, City University of New York, University of Rochester, Yale University

American Academy of Arts and Sciences, elected 1968

National Academy of Sciences, elected 1972

J. R. Oppenheimer Prize, 1973

Richtmeyer Lecturer of Am. ***'n. of Physics Teachers, 1974

Scott Lecturer, Cavendish Laboratory, 1975

Dannie Heineman Prize for Mathematical Physics, 1977

Silliman Lecturer, Yale University, 1977

Am. Inst. of Physics-U.S. Steel Foundation Science Writing Award,
1977, for authorship of The First Three Minutes (1977)

Lauritsen Lecturer, Cal. Tech., 1979

Bethe Lecturer, Cornell Univ., 1979

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Nobel Prize in Physics, 1979

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McDermott Lecturer, University of Dallas, 1985

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Brickweede Lecturer, Johns Hopkins University, 1986

Dirac Lecturer, University of Cambridge, 1986

Klein Lecturer, University of Stockholm, 1989

James Madison Medal of Princeton University, 1991

National Medal of Science, 1991


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Tue 10/19/10 06:42 PM
In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired.

This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay.

He was fired he said when a 4th grade student of his asked him if he was married.

here is the link and story...


http://www.kgw.com/news/Beaverton-Student-Teacher-Booted-Speaks-Out-On-Camera-105158199.html


BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him.

Seth Stambaugh, 23, wanted to be a teacher his entire life.

"It's the energy I get when I walk into a classroom. It's joyous beyond belief," said Stambaugh.

He grew up in New Mexico, where he was bullied and felt sheer terror by the notion of "coming out."

"When I came out at 16, I felt like it was a huge relief," he recalled.

He visited Portland and felt the city was very welcoming of gays and lesbians. He couldn't wait to move here.

The Lewis and Clark grad student felt compelled to teach students through a program for teaching education. But he never thought that he would be tossed out of a school after he said he just told a student the truth.

It was September 10th, when a fourth grader asked him the question.

"The student asked me if I was married, I responded 'no.' He asked 'why?' I said it was illegal for me to get married. I said 'it's because I want to marry a man.'"

Days later, Stambaugh was fired and he said no one told him exactly why.

He told KGW he suspected that it was because of his conversation with that 4th grader.

"I felt extremely hurt and discriminated against. Everyone in the school is free to talk about their marital status as long as they are heterosexual," he said.

In a statement, the Beaverton School District wrote, "We understand this action has resulted in the student teacher alleging discrimination. The concerns were about professional judgment and age appropriateness. While the details of this issue remain confidential, the district's policy and practice is non-discrimination."

So what do parents say?

"He or she should not be fired," said parent Paul Chen.

"I don't think anybody should be fired for giving a well though-out articulate answer to a kids' question, " said parent Mike Speer.

But some parents wonder why Seth would reveal his gay marital status to a 4th grader?

"I think that 4th graders know that gays exist, they hear it on the playgrounds," Stambaugh said. "To say this guy, meaning me, came out and should disappear sends a negative [message] to a gay child who could be questioning their own sexuality."

The superintendent was reviewing whether to reinstate Stambaugh. In the meantime, he's student teaching at a Portland Public School.

.... personally i see this as another attempt to use sexuality for poor job performance.

Why tell a 4th grade student about he is not because it is illegal for him to marry a man?

Looks to me like he could of just said no.. that someday he hopes to be.

A 4th grade student does not understand this escecially if his parents are not for it.

He planted a seed of contention possibly with this child and his parents and should of known this was possible.


The news is all over this so is the ACLU.

If the child would of asked Do you believe in Hell and the teacher would of said Yes and he said why and the teacher would of said what his beliefs were then all the non believers would of said this teacher was spreading religion in school.

Which also i believe a quiick short answer of I just do would suffice.

But if that teacher would of been fired for saying that it would not be in the news except maybe in a negative conotation if the teacher complained and anyone listened..


The only reason this is in the news at all is him being Gay and everyone hates the Gay people.

This is a form of brain washing our children and has no place for the ACLU or anyone else to be making a big deal out of this except to brainwash the public and send a clear message.

Do anything to a Gay person and u will pay for it buddy..Huh? Shalom....Miles

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Tue 10/19/10 06:49 PM

In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired.

This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay.

He was fired he said when a 4th grade student of his asked him if he was married.

here is the link and story...


http://www.kgw.com/news/Beaverton-Student-Teacher-Booted-Speaks-Out-On-Camera-105158199.html


BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him.

Seth Stambaugh, 23, wanted to be a teacher his entire life.

"It's the energy I get when I walk into a classroom. It's joyous beyond belief," said Stambaugh.

He grew up in New Mexico, where he was bullied and felt sheer terror by the notion of "coming out."

"When I came out at 16, I felt like it was a huge relief," he recalled.

He visited Portland and felt the city was very welcoming of gays and lesbians. He couldn't wait to move here.

The Lewis and Clark grad student felt compelled to teach students through a program for teaching education. But he never thought that he would be tossed out of a school after he said he just told a student the truth.

It was September 10th, when a fourth grader asked him the question.

"The student asked me if I was married, I responded 'no.' He asked 'why?' I said it was illegal for me to get married. I said 'it's because I want to marry a man.'"

Days later, Stambaugh was fired and he said no one told him exactly why.

He told KGW he suspected that it was because of his conversation with that 4th grader.

"I felt extremely hurt and discriminated against. Everyone in the school is free to talk about their marital status as long as they are heterosexual," he said.

In a statement, the Beaverton School District wrote, "We understand this action has resulted in the student teacher alleging discrimination. The concerns were about professional judgment and age appropriateness. While the details of this issue remain confidential, the district's policy and practice is non-discrimination."

So what do parents say?

"He or she should not be fired," said parent Paul Chen.

"I don't think anybody should be fired for giving a well though-out articulate answer to a kids' question, " said parent Mike Speer.

But some parents wonder why Seth would reveal his gay marital status to a 4th grader?

"I think that 4th graders know that gays exist, they hear it on the playgrounds," Stambaugh said. "To say this guy, meaning me, came out and should disappear sends a negative [message] to a gay child who could be questioning their own sexuality."

The superintendent was reviewing whether to reinstate Stambaugh. In the meantime, he's student teaching at a Portland Public School.

.... personally i see this as another attempt to use sexuality for poor job performance.

Why tell a 4th grade student about he is not because it is illegal for him to marry a man?

Looks to me like he could of just said no.. that someday he hopes to be.

A 4th grade student does not understand this escecially if his parents are not for it.

He planted a seed of contention possibly with this child and his parents and should of known this was possible.


The news is all over this so is the ACLU.

If the child would of asked Do you believe in Hell and the teacher would of said Yes and he said why and the teacher would of said what his beliefs were then all the non believers would of said this teacher was spreading religion in school.

Which also i believe a quiick short answer of I just do would suffice.

But if that teacher would of been fired for saying that it would not be in the news except maybe in a negative conotation if the teacher complained and anyone listened..


The only reason this is in the news at all is him being Gay and everyone hates the Gay people.

This is a form of brain washing our children and has no place for the ACLU or anyone else to be making a big deal out of this except to brainwash the public and send a clear message.

Do anything to a Gay person and u will pay for it buddy..Huh? Shalom....Miles


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In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired.

This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay.
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Was fired for being gay, doesn't mean it had any religious influence. Some people may not want their kids taught by a homosexual teacher. They may feel it's teaching their children immoral social behavior for a lot of people regardless of religious preference don't like homosexuality.
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BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him
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Same as previous mentioning. The parents may have felt uncomfortable for a homosexual teacher teaching their children, regardless of religious preference.

Same with all your examples...... it's all revolved around teachers and homosexuality. Same as if a teacher with a record of murder or any other immoral action. Still nothing specifically towards religious preference.

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Tue 10/19/10 06:51 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Tue 10/19/10 06:52 PM
Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral.

My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero.

My children are all hetero.

So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way.

Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful.
Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful.

Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell.

Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality.

Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news.

Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about.

I made a rhymebigsmile

MiddleEarthling's photo
Tue 10/19/10 06:54 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Tue 10/19/10 06:56 PM
" Same as if a teacher with a record of murder or any other immoral action. "


Proof, there it is...

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Tue 10/19/10 06:55 PM

Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral.

My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero.

My children are all hetero.

So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way.

Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful.
Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful.

Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell.

Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality.

Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news.

Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about.

I made a rhymebigsmile


Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage.

Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 10/19/10 07:02 PM


Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral.

My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero.

My children are all hetero.

So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way.

Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful.
Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful.

Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell.

Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality.

Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news.

Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about.

I made a rhymebigsmile


Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage.

Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation.


Bull!

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 10/19/10 07:04 PM



Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral.

My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero.

My children are all hetero.

So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way.

Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful.
Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful.

Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell.

Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality.

Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news.

Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about.

I made a rhymebigsmile


Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage.

Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation.


Bull!


:o bulls can procreate with homosexual sex? :o

RKISIT's photo
Tue 10/19/10 07:07 PM
wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control?

Dragoness's photo
Tue 10/19/10 07:10 PM




Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral.

My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero.

My children are all hetero.

So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way.

Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful.
Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful.

Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell.

Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality.

Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news.

Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about.

I made a rhymebigsmile


Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage.

Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation.


Bull!


:o bulls can procreate with homosexual sex? :o


Procreation isn't needed anymore. We are over populated, not under populated.

So it is bull s h i t!

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 10/19/10 07:10 PM

wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control?


When rules and laws are made it isn't for the beneficiary of one person. It is a benefit for the entire population. Homosexual is against God's law for it isn't beneficiary in the simple fact sexual actions is for creation, creation, and oh yeah creation. Sex is for nothing more then gaining more population and making a family. Homosexuality benefits NOTHING.

RKISIT's photo
Tue 10/19/10 07:11 PM

wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control?
how can you argue this i wish there were more cause the conjestion on the freeway sucks,no pun intended

Dragoness's photo
Tue 10/19/10 07:11 PM

wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control?


Since it happens in nature all the time, I would guess that evolution has shown that to be true. A natural population control.

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