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Topic: How Religion Is Killing Our Most Vulnerable Youth
Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 10/19/10 07:12 PM
wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control? When rules and laws are made it isn't for the beneficiary of one person. It is a benefit for the entire population. Homosexual is against God's law for it isn't beneficiary in the simple fact sexual actions is for creation, creation, and oh yeah creation. Sex is for nothing more then gaining more population and making a family. Homosexuality benefits NOTHING. Not true.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Tue 10/19/10 07:12 PM
wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control? Since it happens in nature all the time, I would guess that evolution has shown that to be true. A natural population control. yes ma'am you are correct

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 10/19/10 07:12 PM
Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral. My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero. My children are all hetero. So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way. Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful. Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful. Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell. Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality. Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news. Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about. I made a rhyme Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage. Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation. Bull! :o bulls can procreate with homosexual sex? :o Procreation isn't needed anymore. We are over populated, not under populated. So it is bull s h i t! We are not over populated in an entirely worldly view. Yes some city's are over populated. But there is ALOT of room on this planet for more people.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 10/19/10 07:13 PM
Homosexual love is the same as heterosexual love, there is no difference and the benefits are all the same.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 10/19/10 07:14 PM
Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral. My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero. My children are all hetero. So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way. Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful. Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful. Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell. Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality. Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news. Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about. I made a rhyme Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage. Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation. Bull! :o bulls can procreate with homosexual sex? :o Procreation isn't needed anymore. We are over populated, not under populated. So it is bull s h i t! We are not over populated in an entirely worldly view. Yes some city's are over populated. But there is ALOT of room on this planet for more people. So I guess eating each other eventually is okay in the bible?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 10/19/10 07:14 PM
wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control? When rules and laws are made it isn't for the beneficiary of one person. It is a benefit for the entire population. Homosexual is against God's law for it isn't beneficiary in the simple fact sexual actions is for creation, creation, and oh yeah creation. Sex is for nothing more then gaining more population and making a family. Homosexuality benefits NOTHING. Not true. How does it benefit the world as a whole? Not individual benefits, but benefits for the entire planet?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 10/19/10 07:15 PM
Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral. My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero. My children are all hetero. So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way. Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful. Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful. Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell. Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality. Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news. Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about. I made a rhyme Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage. Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation. Bull! :o bulls can procreate with homosexual sex? :o Procreation isn't needed anymore. We are over populated, not under populated. So it is bull s h i t! We are not over populated in an entirely worldly view. Yes some city's are over populated. But there is ALOT of room on this planet for more people. So I guess eating each other eventually is okay in the bible? No, and again the WORLD is NOT over populated. There is plenty and plenty of land on this planet for more people as cities expand and or new cities are built.

MiddleEarthling Joined Tue 08/18/09 Posts: 1911	Tue 10/19/10 07:17 PM
Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral. My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero. My children are all hetero. So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way. Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful. Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful. Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell. Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality. Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news. Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about. I made a rhyme Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage. Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation. Bull! :o bulls can procreate with homosexual sex? :o Procreation isn't needed anymore. We are over populated, not under populated. So it is bull s h i t! We are not over populated in an entirely worldly view. Yes some city's are over populated. But there is ALOT of room on this planet for more people.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 10/19/10 07:24 PM
wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control? When rules and laws are made it isn't for the beneficiary of one person. It is a benefit for the entire population. Homosexual is against God's law for it isn't beneficiary in the simple fact sexual actions is for creation, creation, and oh yeah creation. Sex is for nothing more then gaining more population and making a family. Homosexuality benefits NOTHING. Not true. How does it benefit the world as a whole? Not individual benefits, but benefits for the entire planet? The same benefits as a heterosexual or bi sexual relationship does. People loving and enjoying their life together, raising children, whatever. All relationships can do the same exact things together.

Redykeulous Joined Thu 11/09/06 Posts: 6052	Tue 10/19/10 07:27 PM
I respectfully submit that although you have provided AMPLE examples of bullying and isolated studies about percentages of this and that and also have given a very respectable assessment of how bullying is about finding an easy 'target' and none of these are YOUR personal opinions the correlation then created that implies RELIGION is at the base, is indeed a personal interpretation of the other information provided,,,one which I dont share,,, correlation can be made between all types of things, when a society is so diverse and complex, but those correlations are not definitive proof, for me , of a causation that lends to any group being persecuted (or blamed) for the actions of a few I appreciate that you have reviewed all the information I have provided and for the explanation of your objections. I can see why the last step in the process might be considered my opinion. While considering this I also realized that I closed the conversation, leaving no room for other views. So I would like to amend those errors below, beginning with a better conclusion or summary statement: The conclusion "I" drew from the information presented is that the conflicts which exist between many Christian views and the LGBT have become heightened by Christian extremist organizations as the LGBT attempt to assert their acceptance and equality through the legal process. Christian extremism began to permeate all avenues of pubic media, the extreme messages were promoted as truth and as ‘THE’ Christian view. The messages themselves often contain hateful and derogatory language and concepts – that’s why they are extreme. Unfortunately those messages of hate and ridicule have affected how others view and react to LGBT individuals. I think that’s the process by which hate, devaluation, and discrimination of LGBT has become such a strong presence within our communities and of course that trickles down to our children and bullies pick up on it. None of this research concludes that all Christians are responsible for this process, it does not conclude that the LGBT are without responsibility either. What it does show is one example of how hate and discrimination flourishes within our society. Those are my personal findings however, there are other possibilities that may account for how such hatred of a specific group of people might permeate the entire culture making it possible for unfounded discrimination to find its way to the level of our school aged kids. I will say, that I have not thought of any other avenues by which this hate could have traveled – if you or anyone else has another idea to offer, it might be worth researching and presenting, as any contributing factors which can be addressed to help make our schools safe places to be and learn should not be ignored. There is one last thing, I do not believe for a second that all Christians are extremists and I would not presume to lay an accusation of blame for the behavior we have seen on any single group. What does continue to concern me is that I have seen, all too often, the extremist propaganda of the more radical Christian groups being referred to by otherwise mainstream Christians to support a particular personal view. I would like to believe that the ‘real’ majority of Christians (as opposed to the extremists whose majority is base on financial power) fall back on extremist views out of ignorance of the source and the full message behind the view. That’s what most the LGBT community would like to think too, which is why our activist networks make it a point to publicize and counter those erroneous views with facts and better logic. If our differences were allowed to be merely a matter of differing religious interpretation, the bullying would probably not be so extreme (not that exist at all, but we know it would). Instead, too many people allow their personal religious beliefs to override a larger societal view of 'civil order'. If discrimination against others is necessary to anyone's belief system, it seems to me that any religious group should be entitled to that discrimination, within the confines of their religious social peers. That is freedom to worship as you choose, but eventually we all have to realize that the price we pay for the liberties and freedoms we have is to accept certain limitations of those freedoms so as not to infringe on the freedoms of others.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 10/19/10 07:28 PM
Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral. My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero. My children are all hetero. So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way. Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful. Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful. Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell. Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality. Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news. Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about. I made a rhyme Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage. Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation. Bull! :o bulls can procreate with homosexual sex? :o Procreation isn't needed anymore. We are over populated, not under populated. So it is bull s h i t! We are not over populated in an entirely worldly view. Yes some city's are over populated. But there is ALOT of room on this planet for more people. So I guess eating each other eventually is okay in the bible? No, and again the WORLD is NOT over populated. There is plenty and plenty of land on this planet for more people as cities expand and or new cities are built. Not true. If we continue to take down all of our trees we will not be able to live here much longer. We have reached capacity to keep food and water fairly fresh and unspoiled. You noticed I said fairly. Since our water and food is already contaminated.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 10/19/10 07:28 PM
wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control? When rules and laws are made it isn't for the beneficiary of one person. It is a benefit for the entire population. Homosexual is against God's law for it isn't beneficiary in the simple fact sexual actions is for creation, creation, and oh yeah creation. Sex is for nothing more then gaining more population and making a family. Homosexuality benefits NOTHING. Not true. How does it benefit the world as a whole? Not individual benefits, but benefits for the entire planet? The same benefits as a heterosexual or bi sexual relationship does. People loving and enjoying their life together, raising children, whatever. All relationships can do the same exact things together. No, there is no creation in homosexual sex, so not the exact benefits of heterosexual sex. Sex is purely for creation. Other use then that it is lust, lustful desires, ect.

MiddleEarthling Joined Tue 08/18/09 Posts: 1911	Tue 10/19/10 07:30 PM
wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control? When rules and laws are made it isn't for the beneficiary of one person. It is a benefit for the entire population. Homosexual is against God's law for it isn't beneficiary in the simple fact sexual actions is for creation, creation, and oh yeah creation. Sex is for nothing more then gaining more population and making a family. Homosexuality benefits NOTHING. Not true. How does it benefit the world as a whole? Not individual benefits, but benefits for the entire planet? The same benefits as a heterosexual or bi sexual relationship does. People loving and enjoying their life together, raising children, whatever. All relationships can do the same exact things together. No, there is no creation in homosexual sex, so not the exact benefits of heterosexual sex. Sex is purely for creation. Other use then that it is lust, lustful desires, ect. Hey Mr Science...why did your little god fellow make 10% of the animal kingdom gay?

Thomas3474 Joined Mon 11/10/08 Posts: 2713	Tue 10/19/10 07:33 PM
Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral. My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero. My children are all hetero. So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way. Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful. Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful. Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell. Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality. Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news. Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about. I made a rhyme Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage. Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation. Bull! :o bulls can procreate with homosexual sex? :o Procreation isn't needed anymore. We are over populated, not under populated. So it is bull s h i t! We are not over populated in an entirely worldly view. Yes some city's are over populated. But there is ALOT of room on this planet for more people. So I guess eating each other eventually is okay in the bible? No, and again the WORLD is NOT over populated. There is plenty and plenty of land on this planet for more people as cities expand and or new cities are built. You can actually fit everyone in the entire world in all the buildings on Long island,New york.Anyone who believes the world is over populated is a fool.You ever drive across New mexico,Arizona,Utah,Kansas,Montana,Nebraska,and Wyoming?You know what you see?Hundreds of miles of virgin land with nobody living there.The entire country of Canada only has 32 million people and it is bigger than the United states.Russia is over 8,600,000 square miles which is nearly twice as big as the United states yet has a population lower than the United states by millions.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Tue 10/19/10 07:38 PM
In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. He was fired he said when a 4th grade student of his asked him if he was married. here is the link and story... http://www.kgw.com/news/Beaverton-Student-Teacher-Booted-Speaks-Out-On-Camera-105158199.html BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him. Seth Stambaugh, 23, wanted to be a teacher his entire life. "It's the energy I get when I walk into a classroom. It's joyous beyond belief," said Stambaugh. He grew up in New Mexico, where he was bullied and felt sheer terror by the notion of "coming out." "When I came out at 16, I felt like it was a huge relief," he recalled. He visited Portland and felt the city was very welcoming of gays and lesbians. He couldn't wait to move here. The Lewis and Clark grad student felt compelled to teach students through a program for teaching education. But he never thought that he would be tossed out of a school after he said he just told a student the truth. It was September 10th, when a fourth grader asked him the question. "The student asked me if I was married, I responded 'no.' He asked 'why?' I said it was illegal for me to get married. I said 'it's because I want to marry a man.'" Days later, Stambaugh was fired and he said no one told him exactly why. He told KGW he suspected that it was because of his conversation with that 4th grader. "I felt extremely hurt and discriminated against. Everyone in the school is free to talk about their marital status as long as they are heterosexual," he said. In a statement, the Beaverton School District wrote, "We understand this action has resulted in the student teacher alleging discrimination. The concerns were about professional judgment and age appropriateness. While the details of this issue remain confidential, the district's policy and practice is non-discrimination." So what do parents say? "He or she should not be fired," said parent Paul Chen. "I don't think anybody should be fired for giving a well though-out articulate answer to a kids' question, " said parent Mike Speer. But some parents wonder why Seth would reveal his gay marital status to a 4th grader? "I think that 4th graders know that gays exist, they hear it on the playgrounds," Stambaugh said. "To say this guy, meaning me, came out and should disappear sends a negative [message] to a gay child who could be questioning their own sexuality." The superintendent was reviewing whether to reinstate Stambaugh. In the meantime, he's student teaching at a Portland Public School. .... personally i see this as another attempt to use sexuality for poor job performance. Why tell a 4th grade student about he is not because it is illegal for him to marry a man? Looks to me like he could of just said no.. that someday he hopes to be. A 4th grade student does not understand this escecially if his parents are not for it. He planted a seed of contention possibly with this child and his parents and should of known this was possible. The news is all over this so is the ACLU. If the child would of asked Do you believe in Hell and the teacher would of said Yes and he said why and the teacher would of said what his beliefs were then all the non believers would of said this teacher was spreading religion in school. Which also i believe a quiick short answer of I just do would suffice. But if that teacher would of been fired for saying that it would not be in the news except maybe in a negative conotation if the teacher complained and anyone listened.. The only reason this is in the news at all is him being Gay and everyone hates the Gay people. This is a form of brain washing our children and has no place for the ACLU or anyone else to be making a big deal out of this except to brainwash the public and send a clear message. Do anything to a Gay person and u will pay for it buddy..Huh? Shalom....Miles =================================== In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. ==================================== Was fired for being gay, doesn't mean it had any religious influence. Some people may not want their kids taught by a homosexual teacher. They may feel it's teaching their children immoral social behavior for a lot of people regardless of religious preference don't like homosexuality. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================== BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him =================================== Same as previous mentioning. The parents may have felt uncomfortable for a homosexual teacher teaching their children, regardless of religious preference. Same with all your examples...... it's all revolved around teachers and homosexuality. Same as if a teacher with a record of murder or any other immoral action. Still nothing specifically towards religious preference. My whole point in what i posted was Gay issues are over exaggerated. The point about Hell since i do not believe in the Dante Inferno's hell was that we would never of heard of it. The OP is saying Gay haters everywhere.. YUes this is what the media wants everyone to believe and whenever something unfortunate happens to a Gay person its News worthy when it should not be. So In essence the Haters are the ones who purport to be hated/ They just swing it with so much fury that the establish press is all about ratings and thats it. I posted to try and show this.. u all r way out of my league.. Blessings...Miles

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 10/19/10 07:40 PM
wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control? When rules and laws are made it isn't for the beneficiary of one person. It is a benefit for the entire population. Homosexual is against God's law for it isn't beneficiary in the simple fact sexual actions is for creation, creation, and oh yeah creation. Sex is for nothing more then gaining more population and making a family. Homosexuality benefits NOTHING. Not true. How does it benefit the world as a whole? Not individual benefits, but benefits for the entire planet? The same benefits as a heterosexual or bi sexual relationship does. People loving and enjoying their life together, raising children, whatever. All relationships can do the same exact things together. No, there is no creation in homosexual sex, so not the exact benefits of heterosexual sex. Sex is purely for creation. Other use then that it is lust, lustful desires, ect. Do you realize how much "religious sex" happens using the rhythm method of birth control? Do you realize how many times religious people have sex that doesn't make a baby? I guess they are worse sinners than those of us who don't have a god to worry about judging us?

davidben1 Joined Wed 12/05/07 Posts: 6120	Tue 10/19/10 07:43 PM
everything in one's environment effect? can what the eye or ear percieve not have effect, or trigger thought? if it trigger thought, than it effect the final sum, or conclusion of all thought? and even if NO RESPONSE, such still have effect? if it hath effect, it has controlled, as it hath effect some change? so then what have ANY effect, hath controlled? so what then has control over the human perception, which induce all human words and ACTIONS into existence? ALL THINGS? it is no different than a film on a movie reel? each frame of content, effect the next seen? each frame itself, is made up of "filled in' space, and open space? BOTH EFFECT, OR CONTROL, THE TOTAL PICTURE PERCIEVED? just as in science, we just now realize "dark matter", or space, HATH THE MOST CONTROL? we only say MOST CONTROL, since we just realized it was even there, or even had control at all? in time, we shall see it has EQUAL CONTROL. the NON SPACE, be just as equal as the space filled. how is it any different, with data the brain see's and hear's? that CONTROL THE VERDICT OF ACTED OUT BEHAVIOUR? we must access that ALL THINGS, effect ALL OTHER THINGS, to see a clear portrait of "reality", TO SOLVE ANY OCCURENCE CREATED THAT BE NOT LIKED OR WANTED? so no ONE thing can ever be to "blame" for "EFFECT" UNTO ANOTHER? NOT scientifically, religoiously, philosophically, medically or in any other sense? the persuit of accessing blame unto SOMETHING, AS ONE THING, hide the fact of what actually create into existence ANYTHING, OR EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING EQUALLY, NOT ONE THING, CREATE ALL THINGS INTO EXISTENCE? such be why human's, so intent on finding a culprit, can never solve ANY MATTER TO A CONCLUSIVITY. THE VERY DATA TAKEN IS FLAWED, BY WAY OF ONLY USING A SPECK, TO DECONTRUCT THE REASON FOR A MOUNTAIN! what made LITTLE JOHHNY KILL HIMSELF? EVERYTHING that little johnny EVER seen, ALL ROLLED INTO ONE? how his parents treated him, how his sister yelled at him, how he found his pet dog dead at 3, how he lost his virginity to the neighbor molester at 6, how the preacher said "sinner's" would fry in hell, how much the parent's reveered their own feelings, how smart grandma and grandpa were... what the ****... there can be laid no blame on one thing ever, without showing extemely limited logical deducting abilities, to see actual reality, is EVERYTHING THAT HATH OCCURED, SO "EVERYTHING" SHAPE ALL THE SELF THINKING, SELF BELIEVE, SELF FEELING, WHICH CREATE HOW ALL REACT TO ANY GIVEN SITUATION. why to blame is to become inept oneself.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 10/19/10 07:43 PM
In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. He was fired he said when a 4th grade student of his asked him if he was married. here is the link and story... http://www.kgw.com/news/Beaverton-Student-Teacher-Booted-Speaks-Out-On-Camera-105158199.html BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him. Seth Stambaugh, 23, wanted to be a teacher his entire life. "It's the energy I get when I walk into a classroom. It's joyous beyond belief," said Stambaugh. He grew up in New Mexico, where he was bullied and felt sheer terror by the notion of "coming out." "When I came out at 16, I felt like it was a huge relief," he recalled. He visited Portland and felt the city was very welcoming of gays and lesbians. He couldn't wait to move here. The Lewis and Clark grad student felt compelled to teach students through a program for teaching education. But he never thought that he would be tossed out of a school after he said he just told a student the truth. It was September 10th, when a fourth grader asked him the question. "The student asked me if I was married, I responded 'no.' He asked 'why?' I said it was illegal for me to get married. I said 'it's because I want to marry a man.'" Days later, Stambaugh was fired and he said no one told him exactly why. He told KGW he suspected that it was because of his conversation with that 4th grader. "I felt extremely hurt and discriminated against. Everyone in the school is free to talk about their marital status as long as they are heterosexual," he said. In a statement, the Beaverton School District wrote, "We understand this action has resulted in the student teacher alleging discrimination. The concerns were about professional judgment and age appropriateness. While the details of this issue remain confidential, the district's policy and practice is non-discrimination." So what do parents say? "He or she should not be fired," said parent Paul Chen. "I don't think anybody should be fired for giving a well though-out articulate answer to a kids' question, " said parent Mike Speer. But some parents wonder why Seth would reveal his gay marital status to a 4th grader? "I think that 4th graders know that gays exist, they hear it on the playgrounds," Stambaugh said. "To say this guy, meaning me, came out and should disappear sends a negative [message] to a gay child who could be questioning their own sexuality." The superintendent was reviewing whether to reinstate Stambaugh. In the meantime, he's student teaching at a Portland Public School. .... personally i see this as another attempt to use sexuality for poor job performance. Why tell a 4th grade student about he is not because it is illegal for him to marry a man? Looks to me like he could of just said no.. that someday he hopes to be. A 4th grade student does not understand this escecially if his parents are not for it. He planted a seed of contention possibly with this child and his parents and should of known this was possible. The news is all over this so is the ACLU. If the child would of asked Do you believe in Hell and the teacher would of said Yes and he said why and the teacher would of said what his beliefs were then all the non believers would of said this teacher was spreading religion in school. Which also i believe a quiick short answer of I just do would suffice. But if that teacher would of been fired for saying that it would not be in the news except maybe in a negative conotation if the teacher complained and anyone listened.. The only reason this is in the news at all is him being Gay and everyone hates the Gay people. This is a form of brain washing our children and has no place for the ACLU or anyone else to be making a big deal out of this except to brainwash the public and send a clear message. Do anything to a Gay person and u will pay for it buddy..Huh? Shalom....Miles =================================== In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. ==================================== Was fired for being gay, doesn't mean it had any religious influence. Some people may not want their kids taught by a homosexual teacher. They may feel it's teaching their children immoral social behavior for a lot of people regardless of religious preference don't like homosexuality. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================== BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him =================================== Same as previous mentioning. The parents may have felt uncomfortable for a homosexual teacher teaching their children, regardless of religious preference. Same with all your examples...... it's all revolved around teachers and homosexuality. Same as if a teacher with a record of murder or any other immoral action. Still nothing specifically towards religious preference. My whole point in what i posted was Gay issues are over exaggerated. The point about Hell since i do not believe in the Dante Inferno's hell was that we would never of heard of it. The OP is saying Gay haters everywhere.. YUes this is what the media wants everyone to believe and whenever something unfortunate happens to a Gay person its News worthy when it should not be. So In essence the Haters are the ones who purport to be hated/ They just swing it with so much fury that the establish press is all about ratings and thats it. I posted to try and show this.. u all r way out of my league.. Blessings...Miles Is this one of those situations that if you are not gay, you really can't understand? I believe so.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Tue 10/19/10 07:49 PM
Here we go. Homosexuality is not immoral. My children were raised to believe all sexual orientations are normal and okay, be it gay, bi or hetero. My children are all hetero. So letting the poor children know that being gay is okay doesn't brain wash nor does it harm the children in any way. Telling people it is not okay to be gay is harmful. Telling children who are born gay that being gay is wrong is extremely harmful. Gay people need the religious to stop torturing gays with a threat of hell. Gay people need to be able to tell the children on their job that they are gay and have the children understand that it is just as normal as heterosexuality. Until we are fair and just in our treatment of people in this country, the fight will continue and it will be news. Sweeping hatred under the rug is just what the bigots want done so make sure we shout it out when hatred is about. I made a rhyme Homosexuality is immoral for quite a few reasons. We try to teach our children sexual actions are for reproduction... to try to keep them from just sleeping around with their boyfriends/girlfriends while still in school, and or tell them to wait for marriage. Homosexual sex is purely a physical lustful action. Nothing good comes of it, no reproduction or anything. That is what sex is for, creation. Bull! :o bulls can procreate with homosexual sex? :o Procreation isn't needed anymore. We are over populated, not under populated. So it is bull s h i t! We are not over populated in an entirely worldly view. Yes some city's are over populated. But there is ALOT of room on this planet for more people. So I guess eating each other eventually is okay in the bible? No, and again the WORLD is NOT over populated. There is plenty and plenty of land on this planet for more people as cities expand and or new cities are built. You can actually fit everyone in the entire world in all the buildings on Long island,New york.Anyone who believes the world is over populated is a fool.You ever drive across New mexico,Arizona,Utah,Kansas,Montana,Nebraska,and Wyoming?You know what you see?Hundreds of miles of virgin land with nobody living there.The entire country of Canada only has 32 million people and it is bigger than the United states.Russia is over 8,600,000 square miles which is nearly twice as big as the United states yet has a population lower than the United states by millions. That isn't true. Standing next to each other and not on the different floors, that isn't true.

Thomas3474 Joined Mon 11/10/08 Posts: 2713	Tue 10/19/10 07:56 PM
I respectfully submit that although you have provided AMPLE examples of bullying and isolated studies about percentages of this and that and also have given a very respectable assessment of how bullying is about finding an easy 'target' and none of these are YOUR personal opinions the correlation then created that implies RELIGION is at the base, is indeed a personal interpretation of the other information provided,,,one which I dont share,,, correlation can be made between all types of things, when a society is so diverse and complex, but those correlations are not definitive proof, for me , of a causation that lends to any group being persecuted (or blamed) for the actions of a few I appreciate that you have reviewed all the information I have provided and for the explanation of your objections. I can see why the last step in the process might be considered my opinion. While considering this I also realized that I closed the conversation, leaving no room for other views. So I would like to amend those errors below, beginning with a better conclusion or summary statement: The conclusion "I" drew from the information presented is that the conflicts which exist between many Christian views and the LGBT have become heightened by Christian extremist organizations as the LGBT attempt to assert their acceptance and equality through the legal process. Christian extremism began to permeate all avenues of pubic media, the extreme messages were promoted as truth and as ‘THE’ Christian view. The messages themselves often contain hateful and derogatory language and concepts – that’s why they are extreme. Unfortunately those messages of hate and ridicule have affected how others view and react to LGBT individuals. I think that’s the process by which hate, devaluation, and discrimination of LGBT has become such a strong presence within our communities and of course that trickles down to our children and bullies pick up on it. None of this research concludes that all Christians are responsible for this process, it does not conclude that the LGBT are without responsibility either. What it does show is one example of how hate and discrimination flourishes within our society. Those are my personal findings however, there are other possibilities that may account for how such hatred of a specific group of people might permeate the entire culture making it possible for unfounded discrimination to find its way to the level of our school aged kids. I will say, that I have not thought of any other avenues by which this hate could have traveled – if you or anyone else has another idea to offer, it might be worth researching and presenting, as any contributing factors which can be addressed to help make our schools safe places to be and learn should not be ignored. There is one last thing, I do not believe for a second that all Christians are extremists and I would not presume to lay an accusation of blame for the behavior we have seen on any single group. What does continue to concern me is that I have seen, all too often, the extremist propaganda of the more radical Christian groups being referred to by otherwise mainstream Christians to support a particular personal view. I would like to believe that the ‘real’ majority of Christians (as opposed to the extremists whose majority is base on financial power) fall back on extremist views out of ignorance of the source and the full message behind the view. That’s what most the LGBT community would like to think too, which is why our activist networks make it a point to publicize and counter those erroneous views with facts and better logic. If our differences were allowed to be merely a matter of differing religious interpretation, the bullying would probably not be so extreme (not that exist at all, but we know it would). Instead, too many people allow their personal religious beliefs to override a larger societal view of 'civil order'. If discrimination against others is necessary to anyone's belief system, it seems to me that any religious group should be entitled to that discrimination, within the confines of their religious social peers. That is freedom to worship as you choose, but eventually we all have to realize that the price we pay for the liberties and freedoms we have is to accept certain limitations of those freedoms so as not to infringe on the freedoms of others. Exactly how are the religious extremist preventing the gays from doing anything?They can't.They can't stop gay people from doing what ever they want.They have a right to express their own opinion just like anyone else does in America.If you don't like it,nobody is going to chain you down in a chair and force you to hear it.How many Christians are out there protesting gay bars and gay business's?None.How many protest gay pride parades?One or two maybe.How many of them are threatning gays with violence?None. I think you are delusional or just making up this theory that the Christians hijacked the media station to spew hatred towards the homosexuals.The Christian leaders may have been interviewed on news stations to debate.But I can't remember anyone saying hateful or racist things about homosexuals.In any case new stations like CNN an MSNBC are totally liberal,pro homosexual,and anti Christian. You ever stop to consider the other side of the coin?How hateful and vile the gays are to the Christians out there(including posts on this site)?You want to talk about media?How many hundreds of times did I have to hear that Christians were nothing but a bunch of homophobic,racist,Nazi's spewing out of every new station of the United states,spoken by the gays and those who represent them?You have any idea how slanted the media is towards gays?They bend over backward for the gay agenda and insult and smear Christianity the best they can.When was the last time any media station showed us good or positive news towards Christianity?You ever stop to consider that gays harassing a Christian is not different than a Christian harassing a gay? Yes there is hateful people out there.Putting all the blame on the Christians is nothing but a cop out because we all know people from all walks of life,all ages,and from all countries can say hateful things about the gays.We all experience hate and we all deal with it.