Lehites in Jerusalem and Arabia
Lehi’s Visions and Prophesies
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Lehi, a Jewish prophet living in Jerusalem, joins other prophets in warning the people of Jerusalem’s imminent destruction. [1 Nephi 1:4]

Lehi pauses his preaching, and goes to pray to God in behalf of Jerusalem’s citizens. [1 Nephi 1:5]

A pillar of fire ushers in a spectacular heavenly manifestation which leaves Lehi overwhelmed and shaken. [1 Nephi 1:6]

Lehi runs home to recover from his experience. [1 Nephi 1:7]

While lying on his bed, Lehi is enwrapped in a vision. [1 Nephi 1:8]

Lehi sees God, angels, Jesus, and the Twelve Apostles. [1 Nephi 1:8–10]

The Apostles give Lehi a book, which confirms Jerusalem’s future destruction and Babylonian occupation. [1 Nephi 1:11–13]

Lehi praises the Lord. [1 Nephi 1:14–15]

After the vision, Lehi goes back out and tells the citizens of the content of his vision. [1 Nephi 1:18]

The people do not accept Lehi, especially not his call to repentance; they set out to kill him. [1 Nephi 1:19–20]

I believe angels are seperate from humans. I Think humans have spirits which may live on eternally after their flesh has died. I think God created the body 'dust' and then breathed life'the spirit' into it.

discussing christianity without referring to the bible is like discussing relativity without referring to einstein or discussing gravity without reference to newton


most things people have learned they have READ from some trusted source even though not all people trust the same source

spirituality is a different topic than christianity, a much broader topic that is more founded in personal 'feelings' than anything people have learned from any book


,,but there is no reason that learning from a book should be discarded or looked down upon , its how most of us DO learn most of what we know


in regards to reds second question about dust, the dust comes from the ground

How does the dust get up there?

Seriously, when the sperm penetrates the egg is a spirit waiting? When, in the whole process does that happen?

Of couse I could more logical and ask how God 'breathes' at all, but this is about spiritual stuff so I'll stick to the questions above.

Thomas is right. I almost never see anyone asking a simple bible question. Or discussing biblical topics.

Shouldn't the people who break the rules be banned? Or at least warned?

LOOK - the biggest issue (as I have witnessed it)is the constant battle of THE BOOK

THIS TOPIC IS RELATED TO "GENERAL RELIGION" I have not restricted that EXCEPT for the one element that always seems to generate the greatest amount of animosity.

And about all those who feel slandered or degraded PLEASE REMEMBER

The FREEDOM to ACT in accordance with your believes IN NO WAY infringes on MY FREEDOM or that of others to their FREE SPEECH.

THAT is a claim consistantly made by many of those who also consistantly say the speech of others, here is slandering and degrading - WELL JOIN THE CLUB OF those who don't believe as you do.

BACK TO THE TOPIC NOW PLEASE.

discussing christianity without referring to the bible is like discussing relativity without referring to einstein or discussing gravity without reference to newton


most things people have learned they have READ from some trusted source even though not all people trust the same source

spirituality is a different topic than christianity, a much broader topic that is more founded in personal 'feelings' than anything people have learned from any book


,,but there is no reason that learning from a book should be discarded or looked down upon , its how most of us DO learn most of what we know


in regards to reds second question about dust, the dust comes from the ground

One form of spirituality I have noticed is selflessness or putting another self above one's self. Particularly but not always concerning maternal instincts. And not always with just humans. Such as a wolf raising a human child or more recently at work with an older resident forming an attachment with a doll. And not always with the same doll I might add. One might call it personification of an inanimate object. The phenomena was also a transference where one resident considered it to be real in the first case a woman and then when she gave it to the man he saw it the same way since that is the way she saw it. To both of them it then became real temporarily as it was like the doll only had that existence as long as they both saw it that way. It reminded me of one episode of Star Trek and the Companion.

Cochrane was born in 2030 (or 2013, according to the First Contact novelization). He constructed humanity's first warp-capable vessel, the Phoenix, in Bozeman, Montana, out of an old Titan II nuclear missile. He started the project for financial gain, and found the accounts of his future accolades as told by the crew of the Enterprise-E from the future deeply disturbing.

On April 5, 2063, Cochrane made Earth's first warp flight, playing Steppenwolf's "Magic Carpet Ride" during blast-off. The Phoenix's warp flight is detected by a Vulcan survey ship, the T'Plana Hath, which then makes peaceful first contact with humans, including Cochrane, at the Phoenix's launch site.

The aphorism "Don't try to be a great man, just be a man. And let history make its own judgments" is attributed to Cochrane, who is said to have uttered it in 2073. In the early 22nd century, Cochrane was present at the dedication of Earth's first Warp 5 Complex, where he stated, "This engine will let us go boldly where no man has gone before", making him the earliest known person in the fictional timeline of Trek to do so.

The Phoenix's launch facility became a historical monument. A 20-meter marble statue was erected there, depicting Cochrane heroically reaching toward the future. Cochrane's name became revered throughout the known galaxy, with entire universities, cities and planets named after him. Enterprise-E Chief Engineer Geordi La Forge, for example, attended Zefram Cochrane High School.

According to the TOS episode "Metamorphosis", Cochrane was presumed dead after disappearing from Alpha Centauri in 2117. James T. Kirk, Spock, and Leonard McCoy find Cochrane living on an asteroid with a being he calls the Companion, an ethereal presence of pure energy who rejuvenated the aged, dying Cochrane 150 years earlier, and has held him captive—and in a state of youth and vigor—ever since. Traveling with the three Starfleet officers is an ill Federation commissioner. The Companion, who loves Cochrane, merges with the commissioner, ridding her of her illness and providing the Companion with a corporeal (but now mortal) form. The combined entity no longer has power to force Cochrane to stay with her, but Cochrane chooses to stay out of love and gratitude. Before departing, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy promise not to reveal Cochrane's existence.

in regards to reds second question about dust, the dust comes from the ground

I have not asked for discussion of CHRISTIANITY - the discussion is about spirits. ALL are welcome to bring their beliefs into this discussion but if an individual cannot convey personal beliefs without the aid of a book then how does that person even know what their beliefs are?

This is not a thread dedicated to learning about any particular book or scripture but rather (for once) it is only exploration of others opinions whether or not the opinion is derived from a religious belief makes no difference.

If someone questions a particular opinion like the basis behind it - it would suffice to say you learned it through Christian doctrine - trust me, everyone here will know what that means.

But I can't guanantee that others won't jump on someone who cannot explain WHY they hold a particular opinion if the basis of the opinion is 'WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD OR TAUGHT' especially if that person belittles or puts down another person's opinion.

Sorry not in my control - but if freedom of religion and freedom of speech are something a person claims for his or herself then it must be granted to all others.

In terms of a beginning, in which the universe and earth were created first, I can understand a reference to the first pair of any creature being formed from the dirt.

Scientifically, the comparison has some validity, even Carl Sagan made an association to that effect,(paraphrased) we are the stuff of stars.

If humans were formed to be a vessel for a spirit, then as I would understand it, the first pair would have been fully formed prior to being inhabited by a spirit.

But the questions still remain - did the spirit exist before the humans or was it created afterwards?

And secondly, since every generation, after the first pair, was not hand-made from the dirt, would it be correct to assume the spirit does not enter the body until it is fully formed and 'delivered' as the first pair were before they receive the spirit?