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I want to play a thought game... Imagine you lived in the wild west days of America. Every man is a law unto himself, because there are no laws, cities, police or military. Now imagine that a family of vicious murderers moved onto your land and was a threat to you and your families safety and security. Imagine that they were rapists and murderers of men, women and children. They ignore your warnings that the land is yours and absolutely refuse to leave. Would you a) Move away, b) Risk your and your children's lives by letting them stay or c) Kill them or d) Try to drive them off with force? Or some other action? Gotta be able to sleep at nite. Makes a great fertilizer. |
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So you believe that it would be better to kill them. You wouldn't feel that they could be redeemed? Should you let God punish them or let God try to reach out to their hearts? Maybe they would change given time. Would that bother you at all, that you killed them and they lost that chance to change and improve themselves? If I believed in a judgment God who is truly all-wise, omniscient, and genuinely righteous, then why should I believe that killing these men before they have had a 'chance' to repent would place their eternal fate on my shoulders? If these men had it in them to potentially repent I would trust that God would know that. In fact, it's this very type of thing that basically makes the idea of having to repent before you die with no chance of redemption after death basically untenable. Moreover, if this type of thing were true, then anyone who dies and has not yet repented could easily argue a case to God that if they had been giving more time maybe they would have seen the light. So this type of thinking fails. This is why an idea of reincarnation with karma makes far more sense. Not only can no one complain that they weren't given enough time to realize the folly of their ways and repent, but ultimately everyone can be given however much time it takes. I mean, if the only requirement to get into heaven is to eventually repent and it really doesn't matter what you've done before you've repented, then why limit that process to the mere span of a mortal human life. Just take the same principle and apply it to reincarnation, and then no one can complain that they weren't given enough time to repent. After all, in the scenario you've suggested a lot of criminals who were killed in the midst of their crimes, never lived long enough to repent for what they had done. Yet, criminals who survive their initial crimes might later have remorse. So it would be a totally unfair (and therefore unjust and unrighteous) to not allow repentance after death. Clearly that line of thinking cannot be true because it's not righteous and God is supposed to be a righteous God. So that line of thinking doesn't fit in with the idea of a righteous God. Therefore that kind of thinking cannot be of God. The important thing about trusting The Lord is trusting Him completely. Though men may never know the depths of it, God has Perfect Knowledge and Perfect Love. Perfect Timing. Look at this universe He created. Yes God has absolutely PERFECT TIMING. Every soul has an appointed time... and God is righteous in His Judgments. Isa_55:8, For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. Isa_55:9, For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. |
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So you believe that it would be better to kill them. You wouldn't feel that they could be redeemed? Should you let God punish them or let God try to reach out to their hearts? Maybe they would change given time. Would that bother you at all, that you killed them and they lost that chance to change and improve themselves? If I believed in a judgment God who is truly all-wise, omniscient, and genuinely righteous, then why should I believe that killing these men before they have had a 'chance' to repent would place their eternal fate on my shoulders? If these men had it in them to potentially repent I would trust that God would know that. In fact, it's this very type of thing that basically makes the idea of having to repent before you die with no chance of redemption after death basically untenable. Moreover, if this type of thing were true, then anyone who dies and has not yet repented could easily argue a case to God that if they had been giving more time maybe they would have seen the light. So this type of thinking fails. This is why an idea of reincarnation with karma makes far more sense. Not only can no one complain that they weren't given enough time to realize the folly of their ways and repent, but ultimately everyone can be given however much time it takes. I mean, if the only requirement to get into heaven is to eventually repent and it really doesn't matter what you've done before you've repented, then why limit that process to the mere span of a mortal human life. Just take the same principle and apply it to reincarnation, and then no one can complain that they weren't given enough time to repent. After all, in the scenario you've suggested a lot of criminals who were killed in the midst of their crimes, never lived long enough to repent for what they had done. Yet, criminals who survive their initial crimes might later have remorse. So it would be a totally unfair (and therefore unjust and unrighteous) to not allow repentance after death. Clearly that line of thinking cannot be true because it's not righteous and God is supposed to be a righteous God. So that line of thinking doesn't fit in with the idea of a righteous God. Therefore that kind of thinking cannot be of God. The important thing about trusting The Lord is trusting Him completely. Though men may never know the depths of it, God has Perfect Knowledge and Perfect Love. Perfect Timing. Look at this universe He created. Yes God has absolutely PERFECT TIMING. Every soul has an appointed time... and God is righteous in His Judgments. Isa_55:8, For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. Isa_55:9, For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. |
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So you believe that it would be better to kill them. You wouldn't feel that they could be redeemed? Should you let God punish them or let God try to reach out to their hearts? Maybe they would change given time. Would that bother you at all, that you killed them and they lost that chance to change and improve themselves? If I believed in a judgment God who is truly all-wise, omniscient, and genuinely righteous, then why should I believe that killing these men before they have had a 'chance' to repent would place their eternal fate on my shoulders? If these men had it in them to potentially repent I would trust that God would know that. In fact, it's this very type of thing that basically makes the idea of having to repent before you die with no chance of redemption after death basically untenable. Moreover, if this type of thing were true, then anyone who dies and has not yet repented could easily argue a case to God that if they had been giving more time maybe they would have seen the light. So this type of thinking fails. This is why an idea of reincarnation with karma makes far more sense. Not only can no one complain that they weren't given enough time to realize the folly of their ways and repent, but ultimately everyone can be given however much time it takes. I mean, if the only requirement to get into heaven is to eventually repent and it really doesn't matter what you've done before you've repented, then why limit that process to the mere span of a mortal human life. Just take the same principle and apply it to reincarnation, and then no one can complain that they weren't given enough time to repent. After all, in the scenario you've suggested a lot of criminals who were killed in the midst of their crimes, never lived long enough to repent for what they had done. Yet, criminals who survive their initial crimes might later have remorse. So it would be a totally unfair (and therefore unjust and unrighteous) to not allow repentance after death. Clearly that line of thinking cannot be true because it's not righteous and God is supposed to be a righteous God. So that line of thinking doesn't fit in with the idea of a righteous God. Therefore that kind of thinking cannot be of God. The important thing about trusting The Lord is trusting Him completely. Though men may never know the depths of it, God has Perfect Knowledge and Perfect Love. Perfect Timing. Look at this universe He created. Yes God has absolutely PERFECT TIMING. Every soul has an appointed time... and God is righteous in His Judgments. Isa_55:8, For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. Isa_55:9, For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Well if God is so perfect in everything, and every soul has an appointed time, then grab a machine gun and go out and just blow away as many people as you possibly can. You can't hurt a thing, according to you. According to you if you succeed in killing anyone it can only be because it was their appointed time to die. Otherwise, you would not succeed in killing them. Unless, of course, you think you are powerful enough to screw up God perfect plans. So if you manage to kill anyone it can only be because it was their perfect appointed time to die. Therefore you would have been doing "God's work" and serving his "Master Plan".  I'm sorry, but these Abrahamic religions don't make any sense at all, IMHO. If what you say is true, then no one could do any wrong, because no matter what you do it will have been God's perfect plan. That's ridiculous and simply cannot be made to work, IMHO. Unless you're trying to tell me that it ultimately doesn't matter what anyone does because no matter what they do they are serving the will of God. |
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Well the Bible does say when Jesus returns, He will lead an army. He ain't gonna be the Mr. Nice Guy he once was next time around!! Exactly. The prophecies for a "messiah" had the messiah becoming a king and leading an army. Jesus didn't fulfill that prophecy. This is one reason why the Jews renounce the idea that Jesus was the messiah. The Christians actually recognize that Jesus did not fulfill this prophecy. Therefore, in order to pretend that he did, they just say, "Oh well, when he come BACK, he will fulfill the prophecy!" So what sense does it make to claim that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of being the 'messiah' when the truth is that he didn't, and the Christians are just hoping that maybe someday he'll come back to actually fulfill the prophecy of what the messiah was supposed to do. It's ridiculous. The truth is that the man named Jesus simply did not fulfill the prophecy of any messiah. So clearly he could not have been the messiah. What is most likely the truth is that the original rumors of a messiah were nothing more than superstitious fables to begin with. Jesus was most likely a Jew who favored the mystical view of God (that wasn't an uncommon view in those days). Jesus probably studied Mahayana Buddhism and became a Bodhisattva. Once that is truly understood, it makes perfect sense. Far more sense than the Christian picture of Jesus. By "Christian" I'm referring to the actual authors of the gospels who tried to make out like Jesus was "The Christ" (i.e. the messiah). But their stories don't hold water and are in gross conflict with the teachings of the Torah. The idea that Jesus was most likely a Jewish Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva actually makes perfect sense. |
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There is no free will if you believe in god. So that explanation doesn't work. Yes, there can be no free will if you believe in the Abrahamic picture of God. I agree. That would be impossible. Cerise and been kind enough to show us, in part, why this must necessarily be the case. 
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1: voluntary choice or decision <I do this of my own free will>
2: freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention by definition one, there is always free will, just not always desirable consequences by definition two, there is always free will anytime anyone makes a choice between one thing or another choosing a belief is also free will, choosing an action is free will, CHOICE is what determines free will, and there are only rare times when people truly have had no choice(although many use the term to explain when the choice was not a DESIRABLE one) |
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Free will and God go hand in hand. And this doctrine is nothing but man extrapolating his own animal nature to the highest power. The rest of the dogma is just to put a more humane veneer on an Old Testament tribal godhead who was often a murderous lunatic who whispered conquest, death and destruction into the ears of the sheep. And just as even the Great Khans found that you can't conquer the whole world and keep it in subjugation by writ of Terror forever, the New Plan for Humanity was constructed out of a new marketing plan for basic human selfishness. -Kerry O. |
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Well the Bible does say when Jesus returns, He will lead an army. He ain't gonna be the Mr. Nice Guy he once was next time around!! Exactly. The prophecies for a "messiah" had the messiah becoming a king and leading an army. Jesus didn't fulfill that prophecy. This is one reason why the Jews renounce the idea that Jesus was the messiah. The Christians actually recognize that Jesus did not fulfill this prophecy. Therefore, in order to pretend that he did, they just say, "Oh well, when he come BACK, he will fulfill the prophecy!" So what sense does it make to claim that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of being the 'messiah' when the truth is that he didn't, and the Christians are just hoping that maybe someday he'll come back to actually fulfill the prophecy of what the messiah was supposed to do. It's ridiculous. The truth is that the man named Jesus simply did not fulfill the prophecy of any messiah. So clearly he could not have been the messiah. What is most likely the truth is that the original rumors of a messiah were nothing more than superstitious fables to begin with. Jesus was most likely a Jew who favored the mystical view of God (that wasn't an uncommon view in those days). Jesus probably studied Mahayana Buddhism and became a Bodhisattva. Once that is truly understood, it makes perfect sense. Far more sense than the Christian picture of Jesus. By "Christian" I'm referring to the actual authors of the gospels who tried to make out like Jesus was "The Christ" (i.e. the messiah). But their stories don't hold water and are in gross conflict with the teachings of the Torah. The idea that Jesus was most likely a Jewish Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva actually makes perfect sense. Jesus did set up the kingdom. It grows everyday. Everyday someone turns their heart over to the lord, the kingdom grows one more. |
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Cowboy wrote: Jesus did set up the kingdom. It grows everyday. Everyday someone turns their heart over to the lord, the kingdom grows one more. Christianity is not about Jesus. Christianity is about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers of the religion. If it was actually about Jesus it wouldn't be about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. |
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Cowboy wrote: Jesus did set up the kingdom. It grows everyday. Everyday someone turns their heart over to the lord, the kingdom grows one more. Christianity is not about Jesus. Christianity is about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers of the religion. If it was actually about Jesus it wouldn't be about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. It's not about anything you mentioned but Jesus. Christianity is about worshipping our father. Jesus is the path to our father, we worship our father through Jesus. Jesus plays a big part in the Christian faith. Christianity isn't about bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. We are not to condemn anyone, we are to love everyone. We are to treat everyone with the utmost respect. We are to make sure every has what they need and no one goes without. It's only your delusions Christianity is about what you stated it to be. |
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Cowboy wrote: We are not to condemn anyone, we are to love everyone. We are to treat everyone with the utmost respect. We are to make sure every has what they need and no one goes without. It's only your delusions Christianity is about what you stated it to be. You're misunderstanding Cowboy. I didn't say that "Christians" are about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. I say that "Christianity" is about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. You keep saying things like, "We are to love everyone" Who cares? Who are we? The FOLLOWERS of a religion that is about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. Who cares, what the religion tells it's FOLLOWERS to do? That's totally irrelevant. It's the religion itself that proclaims that non-believers are heathens who supposedly hate God thus supposedly giving God justification for hating them back. So who cares what the sheep of the religion might have been instructed to do? That's totally irrelevant. The religion is about a God who condemns non-believers and therefore hates them. Therefore it's a religion that is all about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. You may believe that this religion teaches YOU to love everyone, but it most certainly doesn't proclaim that God loves everyone! Nope, not at all. The God in this religion hates everyone who refuses to obey him and do precisely as he says, he hates everyone who even simply doesn't believe in him. Even if Jesus came back, according to this religion, he would be casting everyone into a lake of fire who refuses to confess that he is their Lord. So in this scenario your Jesus is not to love everyone equally even though he may have told YOU to do so! So it really doesn't matter who the religion tells you to love, the God in this religion clearly hates non-believers and anyone who refuses to cower down to his every command. Therefore it's a religion about a God who supports religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. And the Christians SUPPORT this to the hilt! According to your religion Cowboy, if I have been worshiping God my entire life through Buddhism, Wicca, or any other religion with the most heartfelt sincerity of wanting to LOVE and RESPECT my creator, your hateful God will condemn me as a "heathen" simply because I guess wrong. That my friend necessarily has to be a lie. That is a false doctrine. There is no way that a creator of a universe could hate someone for trying to appreciate and love it simply because that person chose to believe that God was truly loving and beautiful, and therefore rejected a hateful bigoted religion that is based on blood sacrifices and the condemnation of mere non-believers. Such a God would be a demon no different from Hitler himself. Totally without compassion and unable to even comprehend or understand the simplest concepts of love. So it truly doesn't matter what the sheep of this religion have supposedly be instructed to do. It's the God of this religion who hates non-believers, and therefore it is a religion that is totally founded on a principle of religious bigotry, and the hatred and condemnation of non-believers. So when you constantly tell me that as a follower of this religion you are supposed to love everyone equally that's totally meaningless and irrelevant. The religion itself proclaims that God himself is a religious bigot who hates non-believers. Therefore it is the religion itself that is bigoted and hateful toward non-believers of the religion. Therefore my statement stands: "Christianity is about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers of the religion." So it doesn't matter what the sheep of this religion have been instructed to do. The God of this religion is a hateful God who clearly hates non-believers. So it's a hateful religion that is all about a hateful God. I speak to the issues of the religion. I really don't care about the sheep. They aren't the religion, they are just the followers and supporters of the religion. If the religion is based on a God who hates non-believers, then the sheep are ultimately supporting that ideal even if they, themselves, are supposed to "love" everyone. That's totally irrelevant to fact that the religion itself is based on a God who hates non-believers. |
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The Christian god hates his own humans. He tells them all through the fake book he wrote that they are evil beings who without him deserve the worst he can give.
That isn't very godly. As to the OP. If one man or a few men dislike a person is that grounds to kill them? Because each person's ideal of evil is different. |
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Free will cannot exist in a world that is controlled by the god of the two major religions.
If you are doing good you are following god if you are not you are following the devil. If something happens terrible or good it is god's will making nothing out of his control. When you die it is your time to go making that his control, Etc... There is no free will in that religion. It is the lie told to the sheep to make them believe that they are choosing to be in the religion when in truth they are brainwashed to be in the religion. |
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Cowboy wrote: We are not to condemn anyone, we are to love everyone. We are to treat everyone with the utmost respect. We are to make sure every has what they need and no one goes without. It's only your delusions Christianity is about what you stated it to be. You're misunderstanding Cowboy. I didn't say that "Christians" are about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. I say that "Christianity" is about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. You keep saying things like, "We are to love everyone" Who cares? Who are we? The FOLLOWERS of a religion that is about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. Who cares, what the religion tells it's FOLLOWERS to do? That's totally irrelevant. It's the religion itself that proclaims that non-believers are heathens who supposedly hate God thus supposedly giving God justification for hating them back. So who cares what the sheep of the religion might have been instructed to do? That's totally irrelevant. The religion is about a God who condemns non-believers and therefore hates them. Therefore it's a religion that is all about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. You may believe that this religion teaches YOU to love everyone, but it most certainly doesn't proclaim that God loves everyone! Nope, not at all. The God in this religion hates everyone who refuses to obey him and do precisely as he says, he hates everyone who even simply doesn't believe in him. Even if Jesus came back, according to this religion, he would be casting everyone into a lake of fire who refuses to confess that he is their Lord. So in this scenario your Jesus is not to love everyone equally even though he may have told YOU to do so! So it really doesn't matter who the religion tells you to love, the God in this religion clearly hates non-believers and anyone who refuses to cower down to his every command. Therefore it's a religion about a God who supports religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. And the Christians SUPPORT this to the hilt! According to your religion Cowboy, if I have been worshiping God my entire life through Buddhism, Wicca, or any other religion with the most heartfelt sincerity of wanting to LOVE and RESPECT my creator, your hateful God will condemn me as a "heathen" simply because I guess wrong. That my friend necessarily has to be a lie. That is a false doctrine. There is no way that a creator of a universe could hate someone for trying to appreciate and love it simply because that person chose to believe that God was truly loving and beautiful, and therefore rejected a hateful bigoted religion that is based on blood sacrifices and the condemnation of mere non-believers. Such a God would be a demon no different from Hitler himself. Totally without compassion and unable to even comprehend or understand the simplest concepts of love. So it truly doesn't matter what the sheep of this religion have supposedly be instructed to do. It's the God of this religion who hates non-believers, and therefore it is a religion that is totally founded on a principle of religious bigotry, and the hatred and condemnation of non-believers. So when you constantly tell me that as a follower of this religion you are supposed to love everyone equally that's totally meaningless and irrelevant. The religion itself proclaims that God himself is a religious bigot who hates non-believers. Therefore it is the religion itself that is bigoted and hateful toward non-believers of the religion. Therefore my statement stands: "Christianity is about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers of the religion." So it doesn't matter what the sheep of this religion have been instructed to do. The God of this religion is a hateful God who clearly hates non-believers. So it's a hateful religion that is all about a hateful God. I speak to the issues of the religion. I really don't care about the sheep. They aren't the religion, they are just the followers and supporters of the religion. If the religion is based on a God who hates non-believers, then the sheep are ultimately supporting that ideal even if they, themselves, are supposed to "love" everyone. That's totally irrelevant to fact that the religion itself is based on a God who hates non-believers. Who cares? Who are we? The FOLLOWERS of a religion that is about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers We are the followers of the Christ, Jesus. Or as you like to call them Christians. It's the religion itself that proclaims that non-believers are heathens who supposedly hate God thus supposedly giving God justification for hating them back. God hates no one. God loves you just as much as he love me or any other person. The religion is about a God who condemns non-believers and therefore hates them. Therefore it's a religion that is all about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. God condemns no one. It is you condemning yourself. If you're on a road which you know dead ends into a drop off cliff. And someone has given you a route off that road, but you continue on that road. Who killed you, who "condemned" you? It would be you for driving down that road that dead ends in death and for not listening to those who told you of another route. Even if Jesus came back, according to this religion, he would be casting everyone into a lake of fire who refuses to confess that he is their Lord. So in this scenario your Jesus is not to love everyone equally even though he may have told YOU to do so! So when you punish your children, you don't love them? Giving punishment isn't showing a lack of love on the punisher's side. It is showing a lack of love on the one being punished. For if that person being punished had the love, they wouldn't be punished in the first place. You keep trying to use a scapegoat and not own up to your behaviour. You try to put it on someone else. |
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Free will cannot exist in a world that is controlled by the god of the two major religions. If you are doing good you are following god if you are not you are following the devil. If something happens terrible or good it is god's will making nothing out of his control. When you die it is your time to go making that his control, Etc... There is no free will in that religion. It is the lie told to the sheep to make them believe that they are choosing to be in the religion when in truth they are brainwashed to be in the religion. Sure there is free will. You can go eat when you want, can you not? You can go to the restroom when you want, can you not? You can worship God or not, can you not? You can do anything you wish or not do anything you wish. That is free will. Just because there is a consequence/reaction to that action you took, doesn't mean you don't have free will. We worship God out of our own will, we aren't forced to worship him. Notice, our OWN WILL. That would be using our free will to worship our father. Not out of direst, or anything of such. But out of our own will to do as such. |
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Cowboy wrote: We are not to condemn anyone, we are to love everyone. We are to treat everyone with the utmost respect. We are to make sure every has what they need and no one goes without. It's only your delusions Christianity is about what you stated it to be. You're misunderstanding Cowboy. I didn't say that "Christians" are about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. I say that "Christianity" is about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. You keep saying things like, "We are to love everyone" Who cares? Who are we? The FOLLOWERS of a religion that is about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. Who cares, what the religion tells it's FOLLOWERS to do? That's totally irrelevant. It's the religion itself that proclaims that non-believers are heathens who supposedly hate God thus supposedly giving God justification for hating them back. So who cares what the sheep of the religion might have been instructed to do? That's totally irrelevant. The religion is about a God who condemns non-believers and therefore hates them. Therefore it's a religion that is all about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. You may believe that this religion teaches YOU to love everyone, but it most certainly doesn't proclaim that God loves everyone! Nope, not at all. The God in this religion hates everyone who refuses to obey him and do precisely as he says, he hates everyone who even simply doesn't believe in him. Even if Jesus came back, according to this religion, he would be casting everyone into a lake of fire who refuses to confess that he is their Lord. So in this scenario your Jesus is not to love everyone equally even though he may have told YOU to do so! So it really doesn't matter who the religion tells you to love, the God in this religion clearly hates non-believers and anyone who refuses to cower down to his every command. Therefore it's a religion about a God who supports religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers. And the Christians SUPPORT this to the hilt! According to your religion Cowboy, if I have been worshiping God my entire life through Buddhism, Wicca, or any other religion with the most heartfelt sincerity of wanting to LOVE and RESPECT my creator, your hateful God will condemn me as a "heathen" simply because I guess wrong. That my friend necessarily has to be a lie. That is a false doctrine. There is no way that a creator of a universe could hate someone for trying to appreciate and love it simply because that person chose to believe that God was truly loving and beautiful, and therefore rejected a hateful bigoted religion that is based on blood sacrifices and the condemnation of mere non-believers. Such a God would be a demon no different from Hitler himself. Totally without compassion and unable to even comprehend or understand the simplest concepts of love. So it truly doesn't matter what the sheep of this religion have supposedly be instructed to do. It's the God of this religion who hates non-believers, and therefore it is a religion that is totally founded on a principle of religious bigotry, and the hatred and condemnation of non-believers. So when you constantly tell me that as a follower of this religion you are supposed to love everyone equally that's totally meaningless and irrelevant. The religion itself proclaims that God himself is a religious bigot who hates non-believers. Therefore it is the religion itself that is bigoted and hateful toward non-believers of the religion. Therefore my statement stands: "Christianity is about religious bigotry, hatred, and the condemnation of non-believers of the religion." So it doesn't matter what the sheep of this religion have been instructed to do. The God of this religion is a hateful God who clearly hates non-believers. So it's a hateful religion that is all about a hateful God. I speak to the issues of the religion. I really don't care about the sheep. They aren't the religion, they are just the followers and supporters of the religion. If the religion is based on a God who hates non-believers, then the sheep are ultimately supporting that ideal even if they, themselves, are supposed to "love" everyone. That's totally irrelevant to fact that the religion itself is based on a God who hates non-believers. According to your religion Cowboy, if I have been worshiping God my entire life through Buddhism, Wicca, or any other religion with the most heartfelt sincerity of wanting to LOVE and RESPECT my creator, your hateful God will condemn me as a "heathen" simply because I guess wrong. Would YOU praise your child, give him/her all they ever wanted, and even build a paradise for this person even though they do not consider you their father? Even though they spread hateful lies about you? Even though they disobey your every command? |
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Boy how I just LOVE the Christian take on this. Suddenly bible verses start flying. A real sign of people who cannot think for themselves! Frankly those who put faith in an unseen God are walking blindly along a cliff face.
If you see a man kill another man in cold blood there is no need to judge anyone. Being a witness to the act means no need or room for judgment. Now for the difference between justice and revenge. Frankly the two are like brothers who hate each other but are tied together by bloodline. The ONLY difference is revenge is not sanctioned by law usually. In a society where there is no law or central authority one MUST act on one's own behest to defend themselves. If an obvious threat moves in you deal with it or run. The problem with running is there is only so far you can go before you run out of places to go. Now for those who put their faith in God to act. Hope you like pain and death. Let me be perfectly clear here. If society went to hell and I was trying to put things back in order so that our small corner of the world does not die out or go extinct and a group of people like the Devil's Rejects moved in and anyone in our group refused to act especially becasue of religious lines I would personally ram a blade through their heart and look them in the eye as I kill them before moving on to deal with the problem. I would not waste the ammo on them. In MY wolf pack when we have a threat to us we deal with it immediately and with overwhelming odds or superior tactics if we are not powerful enough to take them on face to face. I am not putting up with cowardice especially if it puts the good of the community in jeopardy. I do not like cowards. I do not like people who are so steeped in their own self righteousness they cannot see past their own self well being. Some of the "Christian" responses reminds me of people who will stand there and watch a man drown and leave the poor bastard to "god's will" whether he lives or dies rather than lift a finger to help him! This is not God's world and this is not God's life. It is ours and belongs to us. If you are not prepared to defend yourself prepare to meet God sooner than later. The only thing you have going for you right now is a country with laws and people to enforce them. When that is gone what have you got to stand between you and the evil people of this world? Here is the real answer without all your rhetoric and BS bible verse tossing... NOTHING STANDS BETWEEN YOU AND THE EVIL PEOPLE OF THE WORLD!  I have found in life it is FAR better to be the Devil's friend rather than his victim. But when the Devil will not be your friend then he is your enemy and there is only one resolution to dealing with an enemy. BLOODSHED! Sad but true. It is so funny how people want to make the world in their image while the world has its own ideas! |
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Cowboy wrote: Would YOU praise your child, give him/her all they ever wanted, and even build a paradise for this person even though they do not consider you their father? Even though they spread hateful lies about you? Even though they disobey your every command? They wouldn't be spreading lies about me if they claimed that they never met me in person, and the only things they ever heard about me is that I was associated with bigotry, hatred, and that I was somehow appeased by blood sacrifices. And I couldn't blame them at all for rejecting so-called "commands" that had been handed down to them through highly questionable hearsay rumors by a male-chauvinistic society that claims that I used to condone stoning my very own children to death if they refuse to believe in me on PURE FAITH. No they wouldn't be spreading lies about me at all in that case. Everything that they claim about me would be true. I would have no one by myself to blame for their rejection of me. Moreover, if I was actually like that I would neither be a good person, nor a good parent, IMHO. So your question is moot. I would never be as big of a jerk as the biblical God in the first place. |
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Abracadabra
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Cowboy wrote: We are the followers of the Christ, Jesus. Or as you like to call them Christians. I don't care who claim to 'follow' that's totally irrelevant. I'm not concerned about followers. I speak to the concept of the religion, not the followers. God hates no one. God loves you just as much as he love me or any other person. Yes, the Biblical God hates non-belivers Cowboy. His actions toward them speak far louder than his words. Love is in actions Cowboy, not in empty words. You can't claim to love someone that you are casting into a lake of fire, your actions would not match your empty meaningless words. God condemns no one. It is you condemning yourself. If you're on a road which you know dead ends into a drop off cliff. And someone has given you a route off that road, but you continue on that road. Who killed you, who "condemned" you? It would be you for driving down that road that dead ends in death and for not listening to those who told you of another route. Your analogy here makes absolutely no sense at all. God is not a 'cliff'. So when you punish your children, you don't love them? Giving punishment isn't showing a lack of love on the punisher's side. It is showing a lack of love on the one being punished. For if that person being punished had the love, they wouldn't be punished in the first place. You keep trying to use a scapegoat and not own up to your behaviour. You try to put it on someone else. I personally don't believe there is ever any justification or need for any form of punishment. IMHO, that is itself a totally ignorant ideal that holds no value. Thus to associate punishment with a concept of love is, IMHO, extremely perverse and demented. The biblical picture of a God is just a hateful selfish picture Cowboy. There's no way that that such a picture represents anything even remotely close to love. It's nothing short of pure religious bigotry and hatred toward all who refuse to cower down to its religious bigotry. It's a man-made region, it's not the word of any "God". It's far too hateful and insane. It's simply doesn't exhibit true wisdom or love. |
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