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Topic: Obama Must Resist GOP Economic Terrorism
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Tue 07/19/11 07:56 PM
Obama Must Resist GOP Economic Terrorism
July 19, 2011
By Justin "Filthy Liberal Scum" Rosario
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Raise your hand if you want me to tell the GOP to go frack themselves!

Under no circumstances should Obama give in to the GOP demands on the debt ceiling. Even if it were to mean that the country goes into a true default for the first time in its history, let it happen.

Why?

First, there’s a reason the official policy of the United States is not to negotiate with terrorists. Once they get what they want the demands will only increase with each success and they will never stop.

The GOP has, at long last, become the economic terrorists they were destined to be. If there was another path for them to take they missed it a long time ago. Now, they only understand the black and white world of the fanatic and the child. With the ascendency of the Tea Party in the GOP, the nuanced reality where adults have learned how to bargain is simply beyond their grasp.

This became perfectly clear when the Republicans threatened to shut down the government over the budget unless they got everything they wanted. Everything. Even completely non-budget related social issues like defunding Planned Parenthood and when they didn’t get it all, their base threw a temper tantrum and called them traitors. The Republicans were traitors for accepting an incredibly unequal compromise that gave as little as possible to Obama while they took him to the cleaners. Really.

But then, that the GOP had degenerated to fanaticism was perfectly clear even earlier when the GOP abused the filibuster to block as many Democratic bills as possible. When the minority party dominates the agenda, there is something deeply wrong. The fact that they paid no political price for breaking Congress and were, in fact, rewarded for their intransigence was a sign of things to come.

Now, they have chosen to manufacture a “crisis” over a routine housekeeping task. The whole point of this exercise in economic terrorism is to force massive spending cuts to programs the GOP hates while conceding absolutely nothing. Not even an end to subsidies to the Big Oil, the most profitable industry to ever exist. Read that again: We are giving tax payer money to the industry that, after all other expenses are covered (payroll, taxes, bribes, etc.) STILL makes more money than every single other industry that has ever made a profit in the entire history of the world. These are the people the Republicans demand we give our money to while simultaneously demanding we cut payments to the elderly and sick. Cut everything, raise no taxes or we WILL shut down the government.

“Do what we say or the economy gets it.” Economic terrorism. Is there any other way to describe it?

The second reason Obama should let the Republicans carry out their temper tantrum is far more cynical. The GOP will finally pay a price for their fanaticism and Obama has badly outmaneuvered them on this point, so far. He has forced them into a position, by playing to their ego and intransigence, where they cannot accept any deal Obama offers because Obama is the one offering it. Especially if it raises taxes or ends any subsidies whatsoever. Obama is offering them more cuts than in the original GOP ransom note proposal and they just can’t take it. It would seem like too much of a victory for Obama and that is simply too much to countenance. Remember, the number one priority of the Republican Party is to make Obama a one term president and they are pursuing that goal with the single mindedness of a five year old chasing a ball into a busy street. With similar results.

And so Obama is playing them for suckers. He’s given them a choice between A. Shutting down the government which will devastate the country and any chance the GOP has of winning elections next year, B. Taking his Grand Bargain which will make Obama look like the only adult in the room while the GOP throws a public hissy fit over making any concessions, C. Taking a lesser deal with less tax hikes in it that will still prove the GOP declaration that increasing revenue will destroy all of time and space to be as phony as their concern for Main St. and D. Ending the phony “crisis” with no concessions from either side which will make the GOP look like the fools they are. Even if the Republicans decide to take it all the way and actually shut down the government rather than budge an inch that would still be a more desirable outcome than Obama giving in.

Better to take the pain now and let the Republicans commit electoral suicide than to let them run the country by holding the economy hostage. Otherwise, every budget bill, every debt ceiling increase will be an excuse for the GOP to make outrageous demands. They’ll threaten to shut it all down until they get what they want at every oppotunity. Each time, it will become easier and easier for them to make their demands because precedence will have been set and the public will not have the stomach to keep fighting if it’s just simpler to give the GOP what they want.

It’s still possible that Obama will blink at the very end and give whatever concessions he needs to prevent the shutdown and get nothing in return. To that I say: Don’t do it! Yes, you will avoid the damage of a shutdown but the GOP will only threaten to do it again and again. It’s not compromise when you do it under duress; it’s appeasement and it never works. Trust enough of the country to know who is making this happen and let the GOP reap what they sow. They deserve it and we deserve better.

Edited by Sherri Yarbrough

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/07/19/obama-must-resist-gop-economic-terrorism/

I AGREE!

Obama has made way to many concessions already with no mutual cooperation to be seen.

NO MORE!!!


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Tue 07/19/11 07:58 PM
asleep whoa slaphead spock yawn embarassed laugh laugh

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Tue 07/19/11 08:05 PM



laugh laugh laugh more mindless drivel

mightymoe's photo
Tue 07/19/11 08:49 PM




laugh laugh laugh more mindless drivel


yea, fight the evil republicans... i guess a give and take for the good of the country is just out of the question, we can just ruin the country and stop all the SS payments so the evil republicans won't "win"...and people wonder why i hate the left....

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Tue 07/19/11 08:51 PM

First, there’s a reason the official policy of the United States is not to negotiate with terrorists. Once they get what they want the demands will only increase with each success and they will never stop.


laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

Oh no, the terrorist congressmen are pushing the agenda they ran on!


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Tue 07/19/11 09:08 PM
It is true that they are using terroristic techniques against us to get their way,

They are showing they do not care for the American people at all.

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Tue 07/19/11 09:10 PM
I hope Obama grows some balls on this one too.

He really pisses me off when he calls himself compromising and letting the GOP screw this country somemoregrumble

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Tue 07/19/11 09:20 PM

It is true that they are using terroristic techniques against us to get their way,

They are showing they do not care for the American people at all.


Those damn Republicans! They don't care enough about the American people to raise their taxes!

laugh

Sorry Dragoness, but we'll never see eye to eye on this, unless you become a Libertarian.

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Tue 07/19/11 11:43 PM
Shut down the freaking government.

InvictusV's photo
Wed 07/20/11 06:47 AM
I love compromise.

I find none of the offers made by either side fixing the problem.

Anything less than a massive surplus within the next ten years is really meaningless.

Deficit spending is deficit spending and deficit spending increases the size of the debt.

The larger the debt grows the more improbable that it gets paid down to any meaningful level.

I was against the idea of defaulting, but I am beginning to change my mind.


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Wed 07/20/11 08:17 AM
Tea Party lunatics want the Government to default and have been manipulated into thinking it would be a good thing. There are some powerful people that want to see it happen as it would erase all the safety nets like Social Security and Medicare and plunge the American people into poverty like you have never seen before, worse than the Great Depression. Wages would fall to levels like those in Mexico and the wealthy corporations would make record profits from cheap labor.


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Wed 07/20/11 09:28 AM
it sure would be a good time for a true third party to form -- after this crap the two leading terrorist groups that are harming this country the most could be defeated {democratic and republican parties in no particular order}

what a great day it would be to get new people in office and what an opportunity they are giving to let it happen

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Wed 07/20/11 10:03 AM
Using the word terrorism just illustrates how out of touch someone is when referring to the various agendas in congress. Greedy perhaps, jaded sure, idiotic perhaps, but terrorist?

That is just pure rhetoric and should cause you to be shamed. No one has bombed any bus full of kids, ok?!

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Wed 07/20/11 10:48 AM

Using the word terrorism just illustrates how out of touch someone is when referring to the various agendas in congress. Greedy perhaps, jaded sure, idiotic perhaps, but terrorist?

That is just pure rhetoric and should cause you to be shamed. No one has bombed any bus full of kids, ok?!


I guess some don't know the definition of terrorism huh?

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

This is an unlawful threat to people's well being. Terroristic actions by the GOP.

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Wed 07/20/11 10:57 AM

Shut down the freaking government.

He already did that. Bye Bye NASA

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Wed 07/20/11 11:02 AM


Using the word terrorism just illustrates how out of touch someone is when referring to the various agendas in congress. Greedy perhaps, jaded sure, idiotic perhaps, but terrorist?

That is just pure rhetoric and should cause you to be shamed. No one has bombed any bus full of kids, ok?!


I guess some don't know the definition of terrorism huh?

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

This is an unlawful threat to people's well being. Terroristic actions by the GOP.
That is such a vague definition, but I will work with it.

So what part is unlawful in the OP? I am not defending any part of it, but I think it is outlandish to use that word. Lets see what you think was unlawful and why, this ought to be interesting.


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Wed 07/20/11 11:11 AM



Using the word terrorism just illustrates how out of touch someone is when referring to the various agendas in congress. Greedy perhaps, jaded sure, idiotic perhaps, but terrorist?

That is just pure rhetoric and should cause you to be shamed. No one has bombed any bus full of kids, ok?!


I guess some don't know the definition of terrorism huh?

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

This is an unlawful threat to people's well being. Terroristic actions by the GOP.
That is such a vague definition, but I will work with it.

So what part is unlawful in the OP? I am not defending any part of it, but I think it is outlandish to use that word. Lets see what you think was unlawful and why, this ought to be interesting.




To threaten all of our well being should be illegal if it isn't.

They are threatening all of our well being in this country.

That is the same as threatening to poison our food supply or water or whatever....

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Wed 07/20/11 11:20 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 07/20/11 11:21 AM




Using the word terrorism just illustrates how out of touch someone is when referring to the various agendas in congress. Greedy perhaps, jaded sure, idiotic perhaps, but terrorist?

That is just pure rhetoric and should cause you to be shamed. No one has bombed any bus full of kids, ok?!


I guess some don't know the definition of terrorism huh?

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

This is an unlawful threat to people's well being. Terroristic actions by the GOP.
That is such a vague definition, but I will work with it.

So what part is unlawful in the OP? I am not defending any part of it, but I think it is outlandish to use that word. Lets see what you think was unlawful and why, this ought to be interesting.




To threaten all of our well being should be illegal if it isn't.

They are threatening all of our well being in this country.

That is the same as threatening to poison our food supply or water or whatever....
Well I could say that you not jumping off a bridge threatens all of our well being, and could perhaps even justify that with some bad deed you did in your life, but I would not call that terrorism..

Just saying.

Using a word like that in this context is rhetoric, and clearly it would be wrong for me to call you a terrorist for not jumping off a bridge, and calling other people no matter how wrong they may be a terrorist for standing up for what they believe is also wrong.


This is not the way forward, it is not the way to steer this ship back to safety. Using words like this just pushes the divide further and I stand by my previous post, really this should shame you.

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Wed 07/20/11 12:14 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 07/20/11 12:17 PM

Using the word terrorism just illustrates how out of touch someone is when referring to the various agendas in congress. Greedy perhaps, jaded sure, idiotic perhaps, but terrorist?

That is just pure rhetoric and should cause you to be shamed. No one has bombed any bus full of kids, ok?!


If bombing a bus full of kids is how you define "terrorism" then you are right.

But "terrorism" is spreading fear. Its not about attack. It is about spreading fear.

Its about threats! Verbal or otherwise.

The government and the media do that all the time. They spread fear.


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Wed 07/20/11 01:13 PM

Tea Party lunatics want the Government to default and have been manipulated into thinking it would be a good thing. There are some powerful people that want to see it happen as it would erase all the safety nets like Social Security and Medicare and plunge the American people into poverty like you have never seen before, worse than the Great Depression. Wages would fall to levels like those in Mexico and the wealthy corporations would make record profits from cheap labor.




who is going to buy their products if no one has any money?

how do you make record profits if no one has any money?

I'm very curious to find out how this works.. enlighten me

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