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Topic: Obama's uncle held by immigration authorities
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/29/11 11:29 PM
you libs can whine and shoot around the issue all you want, asking how relevant something is and controlling family members, but it all boils down to a crime is a crime. if obummer can't even keep his own family under control and not doing something to make them legals, then he is not even remotely presidential material. to bad you libs cannot not even see how lame this guy is. but whatever, you just keep him in there for another 4 years to ruin the country a little more.... oh , give me a break. No grown man is responsible for another grown man because they are related(distantly). The presidents responsibility is to the interests of the COUNTRY, not the control or protection of family members. distantly? when is an uncle distant? your saying oberry didn't know that his uncle and aunt were over here and not in kenya? his aunt was told to leave in 2004, and guess what, shes still here... i'm sure the secret service might have a clue as to his relatives coming into the country.... Im saying, whether HE knew where they are at or not has NOTHING to do with his ability to CONTROL them,, they are grown An uncle is distant when he is the HALF brother of a father and the father was barely even in ones life..... I have half siblings that I know and I know where they are and so do my children, but that does not mean they are CLOSE relatives I also know where Mike Tyson lives and part of his record, but that doesnt make us close or relatives nor does anyone expect me to CONTROL what he does

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/29/11 11:30 PM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... When you have complete control over every single member of your family let us know. No but I am sure he was aware of his uncles condition. That he was currently committing a crime. why are you sure? do you know all of your relatives activities? And if he is/was aware? so what? What was he supposed to personally do that there isnt already authority in place to take care of? All activities? No. In a different country especially illegally yes. Especially if I was the president of that country? Probably more so. Especially when the uncle said he wanted to call the "white house". Should he have personally taken care of it? Maybe maybe not. It does hurt him though. I mean its not gonna look good for reelection. Now people can claim he allowed foreign relatives to live here illegally whether he had anything to do with it or not. Its just bad press. Did he do anything illegal? No he didn't. You do hold the president to higher moral standards though. wow, when does what our relatives do have to do with our own personal morals? Hopefully the voting public isnt that detached and delusional,,, or perhaps they are....scary

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/29/11 11:32 PM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... When you have complete control over every single member of your family let us know. No but I am sure he was aware of his uncles condition. That he was currently committing a crime. why are you sure? do you know all of your relatives activities? And if he is/was aware? so what? What was he supposed to personally do that there isnt already authority in place to take care of? Your either in denial or naive if you don't think Obama knew his Uncle was here illegally. You realize he has "Damage Control" people on his staff and I guarantee they know where his family members are and if they are in this country illegally. the question still stands, what is he supposed to do about it,, it would be just as inappropriate for him to step over immigration OFFICIALS to intervene against his family members as it would be for him to step over to intervene in favor of them and there is still no correlation between KNOWING What people are doing or where they are and being 'CLOSE' to them(especially not close enough to control them)

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/29/11 11:33 PM
you libs can whine and shoot around the issue all you want, asking how relevant something is and controlling family members, but it all boils down to a crime is a crime. if obummer can't even keep his own family under control and not doing something to make them legals, then he is not even remotely presidential material. to bad you libs cannot not even see how lame this guy is. but whatever, you just keep him in there for another 4 years to ruin the country a little more.... oh , give me a break. No grown man is responsible for another grown man because they are related(distantly). The presidents responsibility is to the interests of the COUNTRY, not the control or protection of family members. That's not the tune you ALL took when President Bush's daughters were causing trouble when they were teenages who didn't know what they were doing. are you seriously comparing a PARENTS relationship to the children they raised, with a Half uncles relationship to a nephew he spent most of his life on different continents from? interesting

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 08/29/11 11:35 PM
Police said Obama, who is originally from Kenya and is the half-brother of the president's late father, pleaded not guilty Friday and is being held without bail on a detainer from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In a court document, ICE said Onyango Obama had an earlier deportation or removal order. His immigration status couldn't immediately be confirmed, but such orders are generally reserved for people living in the country illegally. A spokesman for ICE declined to comment on Onyango Obama's immigration case, and the White House had no comment. Hey BIG Effing Surprise, right? no more surprising then them being here when BUSH or CLINTON were president,, its the responsibility of the IMMIGRATION department and they have a process of their own for handling it that does not involve the President

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Tue 08/30/11 08:04 AM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... When you have complete control over every single member of your family let us know. No but I am sure he was aware of his uncles condition. That he was currently committing a crime. why are you sure? do you know all of your relatives activities? And if he is/was aware? so what? What was he supposed to personally do that there isnt already authority in place to take care of? All activities? No. In a different country especially illegally yes. Especially if I was the president of that country? Probably more so. Especially when the uncle said he wanted to call the "white house". Should he have personally taken care of it? Maybe maybe not. It does hurt him though. I mean its not gonna look good for reelection. Now people can claim he allowed foreign relatives to live here illegally whether he had anything to do with it or not. Its just bad press. Did he do anything illegal? No he didn't. You do hold the president to higher moral standards though. wow, when does what our relatives do have to do with our own personal morals? Hopefully the voting public isnt that detached and delusional,,, or perhaps they are....scary Knowing someone is committing a crime you have a moral obligation to turn them in. At least most people do. Maybe if you see someone committing a crime you don't feel obligated to call the police. He is president and could easily have them deported if he wished. He also could have people leave them alone if he wished. As they are the presidents family I am sure someone somewhere knew where they were and we actually keeping tabs on them. What do I believe the president should do in this situation? He should call his family and fist ask them to leave saying what their presence in this country illegally could damage his campaign. After that he has a decision to make. Force them to leave or over look a crime because its family. Seeing he is the president and held to a higher standard I know which one I feel he should choose.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Tue 08/30/11 08:06 AM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... When you have complete control over every single member of your family let us know. No but I am sure he was aware of his uncles condition. That he was currently committing a crime. why are you sure? do you know all of your relatives activities? And if he is/was aware? so what? What was he supposed to personally do that there isnt already authority in place to take care of? Your either in denial or naive if you don't think Obama knew his Uncle was here illegally. You realize he has "Damage Control" people on his staff and I guarantee they know where his family members are and if they are in this country illegally. the question still stands, what is he supposed to do about it,, it would be just as inappropriate for him to step over immigration OFFICIALS to intervene against his family members as it would be for him to step over to intervene in favor of them and there is still no correlation between KNOWING What people are doing or where they are and being 'CLOSE' to them(especially not close enough to control them) You really think Immigration is gonna deport the President's unlce without his permission?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 08/30/11 11:16 AM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... When you have complete control over every single member of your family let us know. No but I am sure he was aware of his uncles condition. That he was currently committing a crime. why are you sure? do you know all of your relatives activities? And if he is/was aware? so what? What was he supposed to personally do that there isnt already authority in place to take care of? All activities? No. In a different country especially illegally yes. Especially if I was the president of that country? Probably more so. Especially when the uncle said he wanted to call the "white house". Should he have personally taken care of it? Maybe maybe not. It does hurt him though. I mean its not gonna look good for reelection. Now people can claim he allowed foreign relatives to live here illegally whether he had anything to do with it or not. Its just bad press. Did he do anything illegal? No he didn't. You do hold the president to higher moral standards though. wow, when does what our relatives do have to do with our own personal morals? Hopefully the voting public isnt that detached and delusional,,, or perhaps they are....scary Knowing someone is committing a crime you have a moral obligation to turn them in. At least most people do. Maybe if you see someone committing a crime you don't feel obligated to call the police. He is president and could easily have them deported if he wished. He also could have people leave them alone if he wished. As they are the presidents family I am sure someone somewhere knew where they were and we actually keeping tabs on them. What do I believe the president should do in this situation? He should call his family and fist ask them to leave saying what their presence in this country illegally could damage his campaign. After that he has a decision to make. Force them to leave or over look a crime because its family. Seeing he is the president and held to a higher standard I know which one I feel he should choose. or he could let immigration do immigrations job as there is no way to KNOW what someones immigration status is without taking the time to research it,, time he is supposed to be spending dealing with the issues of the COUNTRY, not his distant relatives,,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 08/30/11 11:18 AM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... When you have complete control over every single member of your family let us know. No but I am sure he was aware of his uncles condition. That he was currently committing a crime. why are you sure? do you know all of your relatives activities? And if he is/was aware? so what? What was he supposed to personally do that there isnt already authority in place to take care of? Your either in denial or naive if you don't think Obama knew his Uncle was here illegally. You realize he has "Damage Control" people on his staff and I guarantee they know where his family members are and if they are in this country illegally. the question still stands, what is he supposed to do about it,, it would be just as inappropriate for him to step over immigration OFFICIALS to intervene against his family members as it would be for him to step over to intervene in favor of them and there is still no correlation between KNOWING What people are doing or where they are and being 'CLOSE' to them(especially not close enough to control them) You really think Immigration is gonna deport the President's unlce without his permission? they dont need permission, its the PROCESS, regardless of who is president or who is related to whom the fact he is the presidents 'uncle' is especially irrelevant here because it has nothing to do with whether he is 'close' to the president this isnt the family that raised him, and he is only HALF related to the man who brought OBama into the world and bailed on him IM sure if the process dictates this man be deported, they dont need PERMISSION From the white house to do it,,,

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Tue 08/30/11 01:30 PM


Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Tue 08/30/11 01:33 PM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... When you have complete control over every single member of your family let us know. No but I am sure he was aware of his uncles condition. That he was currently committing a crime. why are you sure? do you know all of your relatives activities? And if he is/was aware? so what? What was he supposed to personally do that there isnt already authority in place to take care of? Your either in denial or naive if you don't think Obama knew his Uncle was here illegally. You realize he has "Damage Control" people on his staff and I guarantee they know where his family members are and if they are in this country illegally. the question still stands, what is he supposed to do about it,, it would be just as inappropriate for him to step over immigration OFFICIALS to intervene against his family members as it would be for him to step over to intervene in favor of them and there is still no correlation between KNOWING What people are doing or where they are and being 'CLOSE' to them(especially not close enough to control them) What's he supposed to do about it? Follow the law, have his uncle arrested and deported as the law states. If he knows about his uncle's status then that is called conspiracy and that makes Obama in violation of the law himself.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Tue 08/30/11 01:37 PM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... When you have complete control over every single member of your family let us know. No but I am sure he was aware of his uncles condition. That he was currently committing a crime. why are you sure? do you know all of your relatives activities? And if he is/was aware? so what? What was he supposed to personally do that there isnt already authority in place to take care of? Your either in denial or naive if you don't think Obama knew his Uncle was here illegally. You realize he has "Damage Control" people on his staff and I guarantee they know where his family members are and if they are in this country illegally. the question still stands, what is he supposed to do about it,, it would be just as inappropriate for him to step over immigration OFFICIALS to intervene against his family members as it would be for him to step over to intervene in favor of them and there is still no correlation between KNOWING What people are doing or where they are and being 'CLOSE' to them(especially not close enough to control them) You really think Immigration is gonna deport the President's unlce without his permission? they dont need permission, its the PROCESS, regardless of who is president or who is related to whom the fact he is the presidents 'uncle' is especially irrelevant here because it has nothing to do with whether he is 'close' to the president this isnt the family that raised him, and he is only HALF related to the man who brought OBama into the world and bailed on him IM sure if the process dictates this man be deported, they dont need PERMISSION From the white house to do it,,, Ummmmmmm, you didn't read the news story a couple weeks ago where the White House said they will review EVERY illegal deportation case? Wow.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 08/30/11 01:37 PM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... When you have complete control over every single member of your family let us know. No but I am sure he was aware of his uncles condition. That he was currently committing a crime. why are you sure? do you know all of your relatives activities? And if he is/was aware? so what? What was he supposed to personally do that there isnt already authority in place to take care of? Your either in denial or naive if you don't think Obama knew his Uncle was here illegally. You realize he has "Damage Control" people on his staff and I guarantee they know where his family members are and if they are in this country illegally. the question still stands, what is he supposed to do about it,, it would be just as inappropriate for him to step over immigration OFFICIALS to intervene against his family members as it would be for him to step over to intervene in favor of them and there is still no correlation between KNOWING What people are doing or where they are and being 'CLOSE' to them(especially not close enough to control them) What's he supposed to do about it? Follow the law, have his uncle arrested and deported as the law states. If he knows about his uncle's status then that is called conspiracy and that makes Obama in violation of the law himself. where is the conspiracy? there is nothing to report on OBamas part because IMMIGRATION is already aware,, and they have to follow the procedures to review his case and make a decision like with ANY OTHER IMMIGANT

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Tue 08/30/11 01:39 PM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... When you have complete control over every single member of your family let us know. No but I am sure he was aware of his uncles condition. That he was currently committing a crime. why are you sure? do you know all of your relatives activities? And if he is/was aware? so what? What was he supposed to personally do that there isnt already authority in place to take care of? Your either in denial or naive if you don't think Obama knew his Uncle was here illegally. You realize he has "Damage Control" people on his staff and I guarantee they know where his family members are and if they are in this country illegally. the question still stands, what is he supposed to do about it,, it would be just as inappropriate for him to step over immigration OFFICIALS to intervene against his family members as it would be for him to step over to intervene in favor of them and there is still no correlation between KNOWING What people are doing or where they are and being 'CLOSE' to them(especially not close enough to control them) What's he supposed to do about it? Follow the law, have his uncle arrested and deported as the law states. If he knows about his uncle's status then that is called conspiracy and that makes Obama in violation of the law himself. where is the conspiracy? there is nothing to report on OBamas part because IMMIGRATION is already aware,, and they have to follow the procedures to review his case and make a decision like with ANY OTHER IMMIGANT Knowing a crime is being committed and doing nothing about it is a CRIME.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Tue 08/30/11 01:40 PM
Just keep blindly defending your Fuhrer

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 08/30/11 02:06 PM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... When you have complete control over every single member of your family let us know. No but I am sure he was aware of his uncles condition. That he was currently committing a crime. why are you sure? do you know all of your relatives activities? And if he is/was aware? so what? What was he supposed to personally do that there isnt already authority in place to take care of? Your either in denial or naive if you don't think Obama knew his Uncle was here illegally. You realize he has "Damage Control" people on his staff and I guarantee they know where his family members are and if they are in this country illegally. the question still stands, what is he supposed to do about it,, it would be just as inappropriate for him to step over immigration OFFICIALS to intervene against his family members as it would be for him to step over to intervene in favor of them and there is still no correlation between KNOWING What people are doing or where they are and being 'CLOSE' to them(especially not close enough to control them) You really think Immigration is gonna deport the President's unlce without his permission? they dont need permission, its the PROCESS, regardless of who is president or who is related to whom the fact he is the presidents 'uncle' is especially irrelevant here because it has nothing to do with whether he is 'close' to the president this isnt the family that raised him, and he is only HALF related to the man who brought OBama into the world and bailed on him IM sure if the process dictates this man be deported, they dont need PERMISSION From the white house to do it,,, Ummmmmmm, you didn't read the news story a couple weeks ago where the White House said they will review EVERY illegal deportation case? Wow. lol @ read THE news story,..lol no I didnt, care to post the QUOTE from a link, I have a feeling that is more of a paraphrase of someone elses 'take' on a policy,,,

KerryO Joined Sat 03/17/07 Posts: 1738	Tue 08/30/11 02:09 PM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... Does that include Rick Perry? One Townhall conservative columnist recently called Perry's record on immigration 'shoddy' and Tom Tancedo, ec-GOP Congressperson from Colorado, said this: Perry is eager to separate himself from his predecessor in the Texas governor’s mansion, George W. Bush — who is unpopular with both tea party Republicans and the American electorate as a whole. But one area where Perry’s positions are virtually identical to Bush is immigration. ... In the same speech he came out against building a fence along the U.S.-Mexican border.Perry also came out in favor of blanket amnesty for illegal immigrants in 2006, albeit without citizenship, supporting “a guest worker program that takes undocumented workers off the black market and legitimizes their economic contribution.” Not only that, but he was also in favor of giving student grants to children of illegal immigrants. From the Dallas Morning News: Texas awarded about $33.6 million in state and institutional financial aid to those students between fall 2004 and summer 2008. In 2001, Texas became the first state in the country to pass an in-state tuition law. The law created a national movement. Many private universities also now award aid to illegal immigrant students. -Kerry O.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 08/30/11 02:15 PM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... When you have complete control over every single member of your family let us know. No but I am sure he was aware of his uncles condition. That he was currently committing a crime. why are you sure? do you know all of your relatives activities? And if he is/was aware? so what? What was he supposed to personally do that there isnt already authority in place to take care of? Your either in denial or naive if you don't think Obama knew his Uncle was here illegally. You realize he has "Damage Control" people on his staff and I guarantee they know where his family members are and if they are in this country illegally. the question still stands, what is he supposed to do about it,, it would be just as inappropriate for him to step over immigration OFFICIALS to intervene against his family members as it would be for him to step over to intervene in favor of them and there is still no correlation between KNOWING What people are doing or where they are and being 'CLOSE' to them(especially not close enough to control them) What's he supposed to do about it? Follow the law, have his uncle arrested and deported as the law states. If he knows about his uncle's status then that is called conspiracy and that makes Obama in violation of the law himself. where is the conspiracy? there is nothing to report on OBamas part because IMMIGRATION is already aware,, and they have to follow the procedures to review his case and make a decision like with ANY OTHER IMMIGANT Knowing a crime is being committed and doing nothing about it is a CRIME. not really, or else all the 'witnesses' police question after the fact would be being arrested,,lol there is no time limit to when someone can 'report' a crime so there can be very few situations where one can be held accountable for 'not reporting' a crime think about it, certainly the victims of crime themself would be AWARE of the crime, but they arent arrested if they choose not to report it,, neither is some third person who may have 'known about' the crime it takes a much more stringent application of 'knowing about' than just mere knowledge of,,,to be committing a crime

KerryO Joined Sat 03/17/07 Posts: 1738	Tue 08/30/11 02:17 PM
Knowing a crime is being committed and doing nothing about it is a CRIME. So how do you feel about amnesty, then? Because in the past that's what Rick Perry has felt toward the illegal immigration problem, that in certain cases, illegals should be given amnesty. As the current Texas governor, he has also taken the position that illegal immigration is a federal problem, and has even tried to bill the Dept. of Homeland Security for certain expenses incurred by Texas in connection with illegal immigration. With his 'shoddy' record on illegal immigration, is he going to go soft on illegal if he should be so lucky as to get into the Oval Office? Inquiring minds want to know... -Kerry O.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Tue 08/30/11 02:34 PM
i think immigration law is important... if the president can't set an example, then he doesn't need to be president... When you have complete control over every single member of your family let us know. No but I am sure he was aware of his uncles condition. That he was currently committing a crime. why are you sure? do you know all of your relatives activities? And if he is/was aware? so what? What was he supposed to personally do that there isnt already authority in place to take care of? Your either in denial or naive if you don't think Obama knew his Uncle was here illegally. You realize he has "Damage Control" people on his staff and I guarantee they know where his family members are and if they are in this country illegally. the question still stands, what is he supposed to do about it,, it would be just as inappropriate for him to step over immigration OFFICIALS to intervene against his family members as it would be for him to step over to intervene in favor of them and there is still no correlation between KNOWING What people are doing or where they are and being 'CLOSE' to them(especially not close enough to control them) What's he supposed to do about it? Follow the law, have his uncle arrested and deported as the law states. If he knows about his uncle's status then that is called conspiracy and that makes Obama in violation of the law himself. where is the conspiracy? there is nothing to report on OBamas part because IMMIGRATION is already aware,, and they have to follow the procedures to review his case and make a decision like with ANY OTHER IMMIGANT Knowing a crime is being committed and doing nothing about it is a CRIME. not really, or else all the 'witnesses' police question after the fact would be being arrested,,lol there is no time limit to when someone can 'report' a crime so there can be very few situations where one can be held accountable for 'not reporting' a crime think about it, certainly the victims of crime themself would be AWARE of the crime, but they arent arrested if they choose not to report it,, neither is some third person who may have 'known about' the crime it takes a much more stringent application of 'knowing about' than just mere knowledge of,,,to be committing a crime Oh my bad, knowing about a crime and doing nothing is a crime.