Topic: Ask Republicans about jobs, they’ll answer about Obamacare
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Sun 10/16/11 11:05 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 10/16/11 11:05 AM


2.Affirmative Action is not discrimination.

Affirmative action necessarily discriminates again someone.


3.When one 'writes' the LSAT,depending upon the college, points can be added for what Neighborhood they are from, or whether they are related to alumni, or a whole host of other reasons as the college sees fit,,,


LSAT has a voluntary question regarding the examinees' race. There are no questions if requesting from which neighborhood or if they are related to an alumni of a college. Race plays a large part on the LSAT as one can declare one's race on the exam itself. Invitations mailed out to potential candidates by the Law Schools themselves take this into account. The UofM law School boosted weight of the LSAT score of black candidates by 20%ile points for admission to the law school. When universities which receive public funds discriminate in such a manner, such discrimination is unconstitutional and unjust. If a private university were to conduct themselves in such a manner that is not our concern; only those which accept monies from the public purse.


4.racial quotas are issued by JUDGES, not part of affirmative action
they are in response to cases where discrimination of a protected group have been PROVEN Against a company or corporation,,to rectify the blatantly manipulated imbalance


Sorry, but racial quotas are issued by cities, universities, cities, towns, federal, local and municipal governments. They can be voted on by a city council, issued by a mayor, POTUS, governors, heads of departments etc. No JUDGE is required to mandate a racial quota. As for private companies' hiring practices I have no issue. They can do whatever they want with their own money as long as the are not being provided funds from the public purse. They should be allowed to pursue their own policies in the hiring of people they chose one way or another, of course most of the time any such "discrimination" perpetrated by such private companies are in favor of the "protected minority" however if that discrimination was to have any semblance of going the other way all the self-appointed maven Reverends would amass a bunch of goons from the hood to intimidate corporate execs and employees to submitting to their whims as has occurred on many an occasion.

Of course the "protected minorities" as you so aptly deigned to describe such groups is goes to speak of an attitude and mindset of entitlement visible in certain segments of society who believe that special quotas, entitlements and considerations should be bequeathed to members of the "protected minority".


balance and reperation are never repugnant to my senses,,,


Of course this is not about balance or reparations as there are should not be any group rights but only individual rights. Hence there is no reason for compensation to any group of people. If that was the case we should be suing each and every member of Anthony Johnson's race for bringing bring slavery to the American colonies, but this would just as absurd a proposition as "reparations" (for what????) and balance (??? why ???). Everyone should be considered on individual merit.

Of course beneficiaries of affirmative action never find it repugnant of have themselves place ahead of a more deserving individual in the same vein as a burglar has no repugnance when stealing the goods of another's labor.



repeating misinformation makes it no less untrue

The actual phrase "affirmative action" was first used in President John F. Kennedy's 1961 Executive Order 10925 which requires federal contractors to "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin." The same language was later used in Lyndon Johnson's 1965 Executive Order 11246

WITHOUT REGARD TO RACE


The Infamous U of M rewarded 20 points for minority status, it also rewarded 20 points for low income background (which COULD not be combined with minority status), it also rewarded 16 points to students from the upper peninsula (a rural and almost completely white area) , four points to children of alumni,,,,and the list goes on,,,,



racial quotas are NUMERICAL REQUIREMENTS
racial quotas (as practice)have been illegal for decades
(see University California vs. Bakke)
however, JUDGES , can still mandate 'quotas' in cases where a corporation or industry have been PROVEN to be discriminating,,,



please give an example of a company that receives NO government funds being mandated to have racial quotas,,,,,


or of a city mandating such a numerical requirement, let alone a president,,,


IN america, a history of GROUP Discrimination, that puts certain GROUPS at a pointed disadvantage, requires certain GROUP corrections to fix such institutional imbalance,,,

the issue isnt suing anthonys race, as anthony was not the GOVERNMENT OF THE USA and didnt have power over the laws and policies which SUPPORTED and ENCOURAGED a historically discriminatory and imbalanced foundation



ITs becoming questionable and insulting to think what it is some feel makes one 'deserving' over another

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Sun 10/16/11 11:09 AM
Since you are unable to read and understand what the article said... let me quote from the article itself...
"But employment bounced back much more quickly. It took four years after the 1990 recession began for the labour market to recover; three years after the 1981 recession, and two years (for both GDP and jobs) to recuperate in the past recession. The downturn in the early 1990s was marked by a rare double-dip recession."

They are talking about the recession in 1990 NOT the the one in 2008. Trouble comprehending English after a remidial course in Ebonics???

While some areas particularly manufacturing was hit hard, the core value of the economy fell merely 3.3% in Canada. With little _actual_ bailout spending (as opposed to slated) Canada did indeed take q hard but quick hit during the recession. As your own article states. Of course Harper, who happened to teach economics at the University of Calgary which is known for its Miltonsque faculty did not pursue JMK policies which maintained the prolonged the great depression in the United States.


This is what happens when you skim an article, rather than actually reading it. (We are both guilty. I placed the double-dip in the wrong recession. I am not a student of Canadian economics history). The article is questioning why Canada did not experience the prolonged period of decimation in 2007 as in previous recessions, and the reason is that Canadians were able to maintain a high level of household spending. When you re-read the article, you will see that the reason for this is because Canadians had been much more disciplined about saving than Americans. Your Conservtiver Prime Minister may or may not have had some role to play in that. In any event, the article tells us that household spending only dropped by 2%, and that that was the reason for Canada's quick resilience.

John Maynard Keynes did not prolongue the Great Depression. FDR's reluctance to get into substantial deficit spending did. This is the same mistake Obama is making.

Rather I know such assertions were merely false claims excreted from the socialist rectum and flung in the hope that it would hit something and stick.

The rest of the assertions copied from a the radical socialist mouth piece for the extreme left was hacked off and not worthy of response. Communist dictatorships which instituted the dictatorship of the proletariat loved sticking democracy/democrat in the official name of the country. It was never about democracy but an agenda of subjugating and enslavement. Hmmm … Come to think of it the Democratic party favored slavery did they not?


You really should dial it back on the invective, lil Cowboy. It doesn't win arguments and says much more about you than about me. And BTW, your responses are not required. Nobody is waiting on pins and needles for them.

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Sun 10/16/11 11:54 AM
It is noteworthy that it was the Republicans who fought for the freeing of the slaves and gave blacks the vote. When democrats voted 61% to 39% in favor the Civil Rights Act of 1964 while the Republicans voted 80%-20% in favor. Conservative have defended the rights of blacks while the Democrats have not. Now I mean real right not assumed right.


It's worth reminding everybody of Richard Nixon's Southern Strategy, when racist Democrats in the south all decided to become Republicans. They have maintained that identity all this time.

In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to an alleged Republican Party strategy of winning elections in Southern states by exploiting anti-African American racism and fears of lawlessness among Southern white voters and appealing to fears of growing federal power in social and economic matters (generally lumped under the concept of states rights). Though the "Solid South" had been a longtime Democratic Party stronghold due to the Democratic Party's defense of slavery prior to the American Civil War and segregation for a century thereafter, many white Southern Democrats stopped supporting the party following the civil rights plank of the Democratic campaign in 1948 (triggering the Dixicrats), the African-American Civil Rights Movement, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, and desegregation.
The strategy was first adopted under future Republican President Richard Nixon in the late 1960s and continued through the latter decades of the 20th century under presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush.[1] The strategy was successful in some regards. It contributed to the electoral realignment of Southern states to the Republican Party, but at the expense of losing more than 90 percent of black voters to the Democratic Party. As the 20th century came to a close, the Republican Party began trying to appeal again to black voters, though with little success.[1] During the 2000s decade, Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized for his party's use of the Southern Strategy in the previous century. Michael Steele served as the party's first African-American chairman from January 2009-January 2011.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Good riddance for the Democratic Party. Now the Republicans are saddled with them. It's a difficult taint to deodorize.

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Sun 10/16/11 12:33 PM
Edited by DeusImperator on Sun 10/16/11 12:45 PM

Good riddance for the Democratic Party. Now the Republicans are saddled with them. It's a difficult taint to deodorize.


Oh and the two of three factions of the Communist Party of the United States joined the Democratic party. Looks like the the Democrats threw out Pol Pot and recruited Hitler instead!!! lol

Oh and the Communist Party of the United States endorsed B0 and the Democrats for 2012.

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Sun 10/16/11 12:44 PM
I came across this fascinating article. While Canada was hardly touched by the Republican Depression of 2007, there is apparently another shoe to drop, Canada's Conservative Government doesn't seem to have posted a very impressive performance in recent times. Canada's household savings rate is credited with having spared the country from the ravages of our 2007 Depression, but now, Canada's household savings rate has plummeted to the lowest rate since 1938. Doesn't auger well for the future.

Though our labour market did not lose jobs for 27 long months as in the U.S., he reminds us we have one of the worst debt to income ratios in the world.

In fact Canadians have the worst debt to income ratio of 20 OECD nations.

He went on to deliver this shocker: today Canada’s household savings rate ($2.80 on every $100 dollars of household income) is less than half that of the U.S. ($6.40 on every $100). He said that’s the first time this has occurred since the 1970s

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/publications/commentary/canadian-households-among-highest-debt-income-ratios-world

Interest rates are at historic lows, lower than even when the Bank of Canada was first put into place, in 1934. That means it is easier than ever to borrow and less attractive to save. But that ignores a bigger truth: it’s getting harder to save, and not just for the poorest among us.

Unremitting increases in the costs of housing, education and transportation while incomes are stagnant (or worse) means it may take a long time for savings rates to climb.

Rising debt levels since the crisis began is one obvious indication of how hard this is going to be: In the fall of 2008, before the crisis hit, Canadians owed $1.40 owed on every dollar of disposable income. That broke all previous records. At last count (1st quarter of 2010), the average Canadian household owed $1.47 on every dollar they took in.

Krugman reminds us of what we all know: interest rates have nowhere to go but up. Indeed, it’s a fine balancing act, leaving behind an era of easy money, and making ends meet.


It's easy to forget Canada with the American preoccupation with its own problems. It will be fascinating to see what Canada's Conservative Government can do with it's grim future.


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Sun 10/16/11 12:48 PM


Good riddance for the Democratic Party. Now the Republicans are saddled with them. It's a difficult taint to deodorize.


Oh and the two of three factions of the Communist Party of the United States joined the Democratic party. Looks like the the Democrats threw out Pol Pot and recruited Hitler instead!!! lol

Oh and the Communist Party of the United States endorsed B0 and the Democrats for 2012.



Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for ninety years. The Communist Party has an unparalleled history in the progressive movement of the United States, from the struggle against Jim Crow segregation, the organizing of the industrial unions, from the canneries of California, to the sweatshops



I feel ya, who would want to be endorsed by such people?,,,,lol

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Sun 10/16/11 12:55 PM
Oh and the two of three factions of the Communist Party of the United States joined the Democratic party. Looks like the the Democrats threw out Pol Pot and recruited Hitler instead!!


Not a very good analogy, was it? comparing Jefferson Davis with Pol Pot and Hitler was somehow a Communist?

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Sun 10/16/11 01:01 PM

I came across this fascinating article. While Canada was hardly touched by the Republican Depression of 2007, there is apparently another shoe to drop, Canada's Conservative Government doesn't seem to have posted a very impressive performance in recent times. Canada's household savings rate is credited with having spared the country from the ravages of our 2007 Depression, but now, Canada's household savings rate has plummeted to the lowest rate since 1938. Doesn't auger well for the future.

Though our labour market did not lose jobs for 27 long months as in the U.S., he reminds us we have one of the worst debt to income ratios in the world.

In fact Canadians have the worst debt to income ratio of 20 OECD nations.

He went on to deliver this shocker: today Canada’s household savings rate ($2.80 on every $100 dollars of household income) is less than half that of the U.S. ($6.40 on every $100). He said that’s the first time this has occurred since the 1970s

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/publications/commentary/canadian-households-among-highest-debt-income-ratios-world

Interest rates are at historic lows, lower than even when the Bank of Canada was first put into place, in 1934. That means it is easier than ever to borrow and less attractive to save. But that ignores a bigger truth: it’s getting harder to save, and not just for the poorest among us.

Unremitting increases in the costs of housing, education and transportation while incomes are stagnant (or worse) means it may take a long time for savings rates to climb.

Rising debt levels since the crisis began is one obvious indication of how hard this is going to be: In the fall of 2008, before the crisis hit, Canadians owed $1.40 owed on every dollar of disposable income. That broke all previous records. At last count (1st quarter of 2010), the average Canadian household owed $1.47 on every dollar they took in.

Krugman reminds us of what we all know: interest rates have nowhere to go but up. Indeed, it’s a fine balancing act, leaving behind an era of easy money, and making ends meet.


It's easy to forget Canada with the American preoccupation with its own problems. It will be fascinating to see what Canada's Conservative Government can do with it's grim future.


Canada has followed socialist policies for several years. In fact, many Canadians describe Canada as a socialist state. We also pay higher taxes and carry more debt per capita. Healthcare makes up the largest area of government spending. Undoing any of the policies can cause the government to lose a future election.

Any talk of reforming healthcare unless it is spoken of by a left wing party brings quick barrage of the usual class warfare arguments. Meanwhile, our Jean Chretien and Paul Martin chose to go to the US for medical treatments. Obviously when it comes to their own health they have little confidence in socialized medicine. The truth is that even though the Prime minister is a conservative there is little that he can do to change the country.

The left leaning provinces like BC, ON and PQ have private healthcare providers, however, when Albertan government (the right leaning province) discussed doing the same the Government of Canada at the time threatened to sue Alberta and withhold providing funds to Alberta.

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Sun 10/16/11 01:14 PM
It seems IF the talk Radio hosts make this President and his staff SEEM TO BE COMMUNIST,,with ALL THEIR CHOICE HIT WORDS REFERRING TO THAT TIME AND ITS HITLER DICTATORSHIP,,,That all the American people will BELIEVE THAT WE ARE LIVING THAT HERE---PLEASE!!!

HOW INSANE TO BUILD THAT FALSE HATRED WITHIN PEOPLE?
SHAME ON THE BOUGHT IDEALISMS BEING PREACHED IN FALSE TRUTHS JUST TO BASH AND DISHONOR A PRESIDENT THAT WE VOTED INTO OFFICE AS A NATION TO UP-HOLD AND STAND BEHIND..

The hatred being MADE-UP by these individuals is CLOSER TO A COMMUNISTIC VIEW-POINT and STRATEGY Than ANYTHING OUR PRESIDENT HAS YET TO SHOW ITS PEOPLE HERE,,,,

BUILDING HATE,,,OUT OF LIES,,,IS NOT A FORM OF FOLLOWING I'LL EVER JOIN INTO,, and ITS JUST WRONG...

ALL THE RADIO BROADCASTERS ARE NOTHING BUT A VOICE OF PAID PUPPETS.
CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS, JUST LIKE THEY DO IN WASHINGTON!!!
JUST LIKE THEIR COMMERCIALS THEY ENDORSE,,,
BUY GOLD AS OUR COUNTRY FALLS,
TAKE A SECOND MORTGAGE AND SAVE MONEY.
And LIKE PAWNS IN A CHESS GAME,,PEOPLE BELIEVE AND FOLLOW...

I GUESS if you build HATE through lies,,thats OK to DO,,
BULLSHLT!<----Thats all mis-representations and lies are..


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Sun 10/16/11 01:14 PM



Good riddance for the Democratic Party. Now the Republicans are saddled with them. It's a difficult taint to deodorize.


Oh and the two of three factions of the Communist Party of the United States joined the Democratic party. Looks like the the Democrats threw out Pol Pot and recruited Hitler instead!!! lol

Oh and the Communist Party of the United States endorsed B0 and the Democrats for 2012.



Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for ninety years. The Communist Party has an unparalleled history in the progressive movement of the United States, from the struggle against Jim Crow segregation, the organizing of the industrial unions, from the canneries of California, to the sweatshops



I feel ya, who would want to be endorsed by such people?,,,,lol


Yes all blacks should vote for the Communist Party of the United States after all. You certainly love their endorsement. Oh I forgot the progressive movement...

"The emergency problem of segregation and sterilization must be faced immediately. Every feeble-minded girl or woman of the hereditary type, especially of the moron class, should be segregated during the reproductive period. Otherwise, she is almost certain to bear imbecile children, who in turn are just as certain to breed other defectives. The male defectives are no less dangerous. Segregation carried out for one or two generations would give us only partial control of the problem. Moreover, when we realize that each feeble-minded person is a potential source of endless progeny of defect, we prefer the policy of immediate sterilization, of making sure that parenthood is absolutely prohibited to the feeble-minded"

or this

"Eugenists imply or insist that a woman's first duty is to the state; we contend that her duty to herself is her first duty to the state. We maintain that a woman possessing an adequate knowledge of her reproductive functions is the best judge of the time and conditions under which her child should be brought into the world. We further maintain that it is her right, regardless of all other considerations, to determine whether she shall bear children or not, and how many children she shall bear if she chooses to become a mother."

Positively great company from your point of view.

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Sun 10/16/11 01:21 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 10/16/11 01:24 PM




Good riddance for the Democratic Party. Now the Republicans are saddled with them. It's a difficult taint to deodorize.


Oh and the two of three factions of the Communist Party of the United States joined the Democratic party. Looks like the the Democrats threw out Pol Pot and recruited Hitler instead!!! lol

Oh and the Communist Party of the United States endorsed B0 and the Democrats for 2012.



Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for ninety years. The Communist Party has an unparalleled history in the progressive movement of the United States, from the struggle against Jim Crow segregation, the organizing of the industrial unions, from the canneries of California, to the sweatshops



I feel ya, who would want to be endorsed by such people?,,,,lol


Yes all blacks should vote for the Communist Party of the United States after all. You certainly love their endorsement. Oh I forgot the progressive movement...

"The emergency problem of segregation and sterilization must be faced immediately. Every feeble-minded girl or woman of the hereditary type, especially of the moron class, should be segregated during the reproductive period. Otherwise, she is almost certain to bear imbecile children, who in turn are just as certain to breed other defectives. The male defectives are no less dangerous. Segregation carried out for one or two generations would give us only partial control of the problem. Moreover, when we realize that each feeble-minded person is a potential source of endless progeny of defect, we prefer the policy of immediate sterilization, of making sure that parenthood is absolutely prohibited to the feeble-minded"

or this

"Eugenists imply or insist that a woman's first duty is to the state; we contend that her duty to herself is her first duty to the state. We maintain that a woman possessing an adequate knowledge of her reproductive functions is the best judge of the time and conditions under which her child should be brought into the world. We further maintain that it is her right, regardless of all other considerations, to determine whether she shall bear children or not, and how many children she shall bear if she chooses to become a mother."

Positively great company from your point of view.




perhaps stick to canadian politics?

there is no 'vote' for a 'communist party', no communist party candidates, no registration or place on our ballots for communist party either,,,

and



what do eugenists have to do with the Communist Party of America?

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Sun 10/16/11 02:52 PM

It’s really sad to me that a Canadian knows more about American economy and politics than most Americas. BTW...that is not a slight to anyone debating our Canadian friend in this thread, but was aimed at American citizens in general.

That being said, I’m not here to engage in the debate going on here, but just to make a general comment on the topic of the relation of jobs and Obamacare.

I’m in the same boat as most middle class, small business owners right now…maybe more so because I’m engaged in a business that is not as necessary as other services these days. Everyone on my staff has taken pay cuts over the last couple of years to ensure that none of our workers jobs are cut.

We already pay as much as $40 in liability and workman’s comp insurance per $100 in salary on our workforce. My accountant and I have crunched the numbers 20 different ways, but the bottom line of each spells the same failure…if I have to provide health insurance or pay fines for being unable, there will be 31 more people looking for jobs…32 including myself. I am not independently wealthy, so there is not a thing I'll be able to do about it.

As far as I can see, Herman Cain is the only one really giving much attention to the issues facing small businesses. People seem to forget that small businesses are an important part of our economy and could be a ready resource toward the creation of jobs. Forget about us and we will simply be swallowed up or fade away.


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Sun 10/16/11 02:56 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 10/16/11 02:57 PM


It’s really sad to me that a Canadian knows more about American economy and politics than most Americas. BTW...that is not a slight to anyone debating our Canadian friend in this thread, but was aimed at American citizens in general.

That being said, I’m not here to engage in the debate going on here, but just to make a general comment on the topic of the relation of jobs and Obamacare.

I’m in the same boat as most middle class, small business owners right now…maybe more so because I’m engaged in a business that is not as necessary as other services these days. Everyone on my staff has taken pay cuts over the last couple of years to ensure that none of our workers jobs are cut.

We already pay as much as $40 in liability and workman’s comp insurance per $100 in salary on our workforce. My accountant and I have crunched the numbers 20 different ways, but the bottom line of each spells the same failure…if I have to provide health insurance or pay fines for being unable, there will be 31 more people looking for jobs…32 including myself. I am not independently wealthy, so there is not a thing I'll be able to do about it.

As far as I can see, Herman Cain is the only one really giving much attention to the issues facing small businesses. People seem to forget that small businesses are an important part of our economy and could be a ready resource toward the creation of jobs. Forget about us and we will simply be swallowed up or fade away.





thats the divide in american politics, there are 'groups' which all feel a candidate represents them,, but few candidates represent all groups

I have a friend who is a business owner and he would disagree that health insurance causes him any problem whatsoever

I also dont see any 'small business' connections to herman cain

or evidence that our canadian friend is so terribly informed about the american economy or politics

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Sun 10/16/11 03:07 PM
Edited by DeusImperator on Sun 10/16/11 03:09 PM
perhaps stick to canadian politics?

there is no 'vote' for a 'communist party', no communist party candidates, no registration or place on our ballots for communist party either,,,

and

what do eugenists have to do with the Communist Party of America?


I love the "stick to Canadian Politics" part... That would work IF your George Soros and the boost B0 crowd did not interfere in ours. But then again I would have every right to "interfere" since I moved here as a teenager from the US.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/09/01/15216861.html

You seem so good at copying and pasting that you should be able to track down your closest chapter of the CPUS from their website which I see you have visited or just perhaps contact one of your fellow travelers about their community organization.

Now on to the eugenics part...

A close and personal friend of mine who happened to be Al Gore's manager in San Francisco in 1992 relate this incident. Al Gore speaking a black gathering with the usual bombast explained to the black folk that Al Sr. championed civil right and lost his senate seat for voting for the CRA of 1964. All the black folk gave Hot Air Al a standing O for it. The reality is that Al was one of the senators who voted against the CRA 1964 and other major civil rights legislation. The audience was obviously made up of a bunch of imbeciles and morons.

Now to bring this together... You said

Founded in 1919, the Communist Party of the United States of America has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for ninety years. The Communist Party has an unparalleled history in the progressive movement of the United States, from the struggle against Jim Crow segregation, the organizing of the industrial unions, from the canneries of California, to the sweatshops of New York City.
which was a copy and paste hack job from the Communist Party's website located at http://www.cpusa.org/communist-party-usa

to which I replied

Oh I forgot the progressive movement... listing quotes from the progressive movement


Do you get it?

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Sun 10/16/11 03:21 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 10/16/11 03:29 PM
progressive, shmogressive, the implication was that democrats having communist support was negative, so I simply gave the organizations history and objectives to show that its support is not a negative thing

should I rely on someone ELSES definition of what the party stands for? or possibly make up my own?


As far as Al Gore, your friends recollection of a misstatement or lie had NOTHING to do with eugenics

I can agree, that audiences in mainstream can be full of imbeciles who only hear what they want to hear without further review,, like those who believe BUSH SR when he claimed he was not inthe CIA when KEnnedy was assassinated,,,

it happens on all sides, which I can certainly see

do you know ANY examples of 'embeciles' or 'morons' who are not minorities?



because the responses seem to all have that 'minorities and working class are undeserving embeciles' slant to them



I get it just fine,,,perhaps its why I bother to respond, so others will 'get it'

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Sun 10/16/11 03:25 PM
if I have to provide health insurance or pay fines for being unable


Isn't that why the law is only applied to companies with 50 or more employees? Any business that is this sizable is presumably assumed to have the where-with-all to offer health insurance. One would have to question the soundness of a business that size that cannot afford a $750 a year "fine" per employee. $62.50 per month. What kind of business has more than 50 employees and lacks the revenues for that?

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Sun 10/16/11 03:26 PM
QUOTE:
perhaps stick to canadian politics?

there is no 'vote' for a 'communist party', no communist party candidates, no registration or place on our ballots for communist party either,,,

and

what do eugenists have to do with the Communist Party of America?


I love the "stick to Canadian Politics" part... That would work IF your George Soros and the boost B0 crowd did not interfere in ours. But then again I would have every right to "interfere" since I moved here as a teenager from the US.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/09/01/15216861.html

You seem so good at copying and pasting that you should be able to track down your closest chapter of the CPUS from their website which I see you have visited or just perhaps contact one of your fellow travelers about their community organization.

Now on to the eugenics part...

A close and personal friend of mine who happened to be Al Gore's manager in San Francisco in 1992 relate this incident. Al Gore speaking a black gathering with the usual bombast explained to the black folk that Al Sr. championed civil right and lost his senate seat for voting for the CRA of 1964. All the black folk gave Hot Air Al a standing O for it. The reality is that Al was one of the senators who voted against the CRA 1964 and other major civil rights legislation. The audience was obviously made up of a bunch of imbeciles and morons.

Now to bring this together... You said
QUOTE:

Founded in 1919, the Communist Party of the United States of America has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for ninety years. The Communist Party has an unparalleled history in the progressive movement of the United States, from the struggle against Jim Crow segregation, the organizing of the industrial unions, from the canneries of California, to the sweatshops of New York City.
which was a copy and paste hack job from the Communist Party's website located at http://www.cpusa.org/communist-party-usa

to which I replied
QUOTE:

Oh I forgot the progressive movement... listing quotes from the progressive movement


Do you get it?


Frankly, I don't. This is getting totally incoherrent.

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Sun 10/16/11 03:30 PM



It’s really sad to me that a Canadian knows more about American economy and politics than most Americas. BTW...that is not a slight to anyone debating our Canadian friend in this thread, but was aimed at American citizens in general.

That being said, I’m not here to engage in the debate going on here, but just to make a general comment on the topic of the relation of jobs and Obamacare.

I’m in the same boat as most middle class, small business owners right now…maybe more so because I’m engaged in a business that is not as necessary as other services these days. Everyone on my staff has taken pay cuts over the last couple of years to ensure that none of our workers jobs are cut.

We already pay as much as $40 in liability and workman’s comp insurance per $100 in salary on our workforce. My accountant and I have crunched the numbers 20 different ways, but the bottom line of each spells the same failure…if I have to provide health insurance or pay fines for being unable, there will be 31 more people looking for jobs…32 including myself. I am not independently wealthy, so there is not a thing I'll be able to do about it.

As far as I can see, Herman Cain is the only one really giving much attention to the issues facing small businesses. People seem to forget that small businesses are an important part of our economy and could be a ready resource toward the creation of jobs. Forget about us and we will simply be swallowed up or fade away.





thats the divide in american politics, there are 'groups' which all feel a candidate represents them,, but few candidates represent all groups

I have a friend who is a business oner and he would disagree that health insurance causes him any problem whatsoever

I also dont see any 'small business' connections to herman cain

or evidence that our canadian friend is so terribly informed about the american economy or politics


I'm not promoting Herman Cain, I only said that there is only one I've heard address the issues with small businesses and how important they are in our ecomony...it just happened to be Herman Cain. This is how little small businesses are being thought of in this economy or as having a role in possible solutions.

If you are interested in seeing a video of what Herman Cain has to say about small businesses, I can try to find it...but like I said...not promoting him and don't necessarily believe he has any real answers.

Your friend is obviously in a business where he is not mandated to pay $40 on the $100 for insurance already. And he is probably not in the only business catagory that is going to be required to carry health insurance for as few as 5 employees.

For someone who hates big corporations so much due to their greed, an oportunistic ways,I'm a little surprised you are not a little more sympathetic to the smaller businesses who are not driven by greed, and care individually about their employees. I'm surprised to get such a cool reply from you of all people.


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Sun 10/16/11 03:34 PM




It’s really sad to me that a Canadian knows more about American economy and politics than most Americas. BTW...that is not a slight to anyone debating our Canadian friend in this thread, but was aimed at American citizens in general.

That being said, I’m not here to engage in the debate going on here, but just to make a general comment on the topic of the relation of jobs and Obamacare.

I’m in the same boat as most middle class, small business owners right now…maybe more so because I’m engaged in a business that is not as necessary as other services these days. Everyone on my staff has taken pay cuts over the last couple of years to ensure that none of our workers jobs are cut.

We already pay as much as $40 in liability and workman’s comp insurance per $100 in salary on our workforce. My accountant and I have crunched the numbers 20 different ways, but the bottom line of each spells the same failure…if I have to provide health insurance or pay fines for being unable, there will be 31 more people looking for jobs…32 including myself. I am not independently wealthy, so there is not a thing I'll be able to do about it.

As far as I can see, Herman Cain is the only one really giving much attention to the issues facing small businesses. People seem to forget that small businesses are an important part of our economy and could be a ready resource toward the creation of jobs. Forget about us and we will simply be swallowed up or fade away.





thats the divide in american politics, there are 'groups' which all feel a candidate represents them,, but few candidates represent all groups

I have a friend who is a business oner and he would disagree that health insurance causes him any problem whatsoever

I also dont see any 'small business' connections to herman cain

or evidence that our canadian friend is so terribly informed about the american economy or politics


I'm not promoting Herman Cain, I only said that there is only one I've heard address the issues with small businesses and how important they are in our ecomony...it just happened to be Herman Cain. This is how little small businesses are being thought of in this economy or as having a role in possible solutions.

If you are interested in seeing a video of what Herman Cain has to say about small businesses, I can try to find it...but like I said...not promoting him and don't necessarily believe he has any real answers.

Your friend is obviously in a business where he is not mandated to pay $40 on the $100 for insurance already. And he is probably not in the only business catagory that is going to be required to carry health insurance for as few as 5 employees.

For someone who hates big corporations so much due to their greed, an oportunistic ways,I'm a little surprised you are not a little more sympathetic to the smaller businesses who are not driven by greed, and care individually about their employees. I'm surprised to get such a cool reply from you of all people.





I dont hate corporation, I do hate greed and opportunism

I am sympathetic to small business, I just dont necessarily believe healthcare reform will cause them such hardship

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Sun 10/16/11 03:41 PM





It’s really sad to me that a Canadian knows more about American economy and politics than most Americas. BTW...that is not a slight to anyone debating our Canadian friend in this thread, but was aimed at American citizens in general.

That being said, I’m not here to engage in the debate going on here, but just to make a general comment on the topic of the relation of jobs and Obamacare.

I’m in the same boat as most middle class, small business owners right now…maybe more so because I’m engaged in a business that is not as necessary as other services these days. Everyone on my staff has taken pay cuts over the last couple of years to ensure that none of our workers jobs are cut.

We already pay as much as $40 in liability and workman’s comp insurance per $100 in salary on our workforce. My accountant and I have crunched the numbers 20 different ways, but the bottom line of each spells the same failure…if I have to provide health insurance or pay fines for being unable, there will be 31 more people looking for jobs…32 including myself. I am not independently wealthy, so there is not a thing I'll be able to do about it.

As far as I can see, Herman Cain is the only one really giving much attention to the issues facing small businesses. People seem to forget that small businesses are an important part of our economy and could be a ready resource toward the creation of jobs. Forget about us and we will simply be swallowed up or fade away.





thats the divide in american politics, there are 'groups' which all feel a candidate represents them,, but few candidates represent all groups

I have a friend who is a business oner and he would disagree that health insurance causes him any problem whatsoever

I also dont see any 'small business' connections to herman cain

or evidence that our canadian friend is so terribly informed about the american economy or politics


I'm not promoting Herman Cain, I only said that there is only one I've heard address the issues with small businesses and how important they are in our ecomony...it just happened to be Herman Cain. This is how little small businesses are being thought of in this economy or as having a role in possible solutions.

If you are interested in seeing a video of what Herman Cain has to say about small businesses, I can try to find it...but like I said...not promoting him and don't necessarily believe he has any real answers.

Your friend is obviously in a business where he is not mandated to pay $40 on the $100 for insurance already. And he is probably not in the only business catagory that is going to be required to carry health insurance for as few as 5 employees.

For someone who hates big corporations so much due to their greed, an oportunistic ways,I'm a little surprised you are not a little more sympathetic to the smaller businesses who are not driven by greed, and care individually about their employees. I'm surprised to get such a cool reply from you of all people.





I dont hate corporation, I do hate greed and opportunism

I am sympathetic to small business, I just dont necessarily believe healthcare reform will cause them such hardship


So which part don't you believe...that there are labor contractors who already have to pay $40 on the $100 in mandated insurance already, or that labor contractors are going to be required to carry health insurance on 5 employees or more.

Or is it that you don't believe that the combination of the two will can put a business out of business?