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Topic: Culture encouraging fatness?
Dodo_David's photo
Mon 01/28/13 07:12 PM
The website "Your Tango" has published a commentary titled "I Had The 'Perfect' Body ... And I Hated It", written by a woman named Latoya Bidding.

Here is an excerpt from the commentary:

Growing up, I was extremely thin. It's not that I was starving myself; in fact I loved to eat. But no matter how much food I consumed, I never was able to budge from a size zero.

For much of my adolescence, my peers ridiculed me because of my size. As a teen, when everyone my age was starting to fill out and develop curves, I remained considerably thin. It took a toll on my confidence.

The issue of my weight reached a boiling point one summer day when I decided to wear shorts, which I'd never dared before; I was too self-conscious. Two men yelled at me from across the street, "Take those shorts off; you’re too skinny for that!" I was humiliated. Sure, I tried to laugh it off, but nothing was remotely funny about how I had been made to feel. After that day, I made it a point to never don a pair of shorts or a short skirt again.

Being "too thin" may sound like a problem most women would give anything to have, but my reality was different. As a woman of mixed heritage, my culture places a greater emphasis on being curvy. I've never held myself to the mainstream standard of beauty: being skinny. But I am. Back then, even more so — and it was a liability. . .




. . . It slowly dawned on me what a strong influence a person's culture can have on her perception of beauty — and how, if I had been born into a different culture, I would never have experienced all of those body insecurities growing up.

As you might have guessed, those guys who ridiculed me for looking too skinny in my shorts were men of color, like me. If it were a group of caucasian men on the corner that day, odds are I would be telling a whole different story. That's not to say every single person is a prisoner to the culture he or she grew up in, but it’s hard to argue the idea that heritage heavily influences what we what we find attractive. It's funny how I could feel so out of place all those years just because I was someone else's idea of beautiful instead of my own.


I'll leave it to you to read the rest of the commentary if you want.

What I want to know is this: Why would anyone encourage a woman to gain more weight/body fat than she needs in order to be healthy?

willowdraga's photo
Mon 01/28/13 07:48 PM
Luckily, there are men who like women in all states of being in all races. Women who do not buy into their social misrepresentation will be confident and happy in their body and therefore be beautiful in all states of being. If a person is happy and big, the happiness is all that is important.

I am not thin and wouldn't want to be. I do however work out and eat healthy for my health but I don't ever want to be skinny. I want a man who loves me how I am as should all women.

no photo
Mon 01/28/13 08:47 PM
My dr used to try to get my weight up, because he feared I had malnutrition, as I was born premature, so I have a funny metabolism. You can't always know what's going on with your body. Bodies are confusing. I get what the girl was talking about.

no photo
Mon 01/28/13 08:50 PM

I want a man
who loves me how I am as should all women.



Exactly. If a guy can't accept you whatever weight you are, then I'd be questioning his judgement.

navygirl's photo
Tue 01/29/13 04:27 PM
Yeah; that is strange that a woman would want to be a higher weight. Me; I would love to be skinny. I do work out a lot and don't eat any junk food but its a struggle to keep my weight down.

teebee79's photo
Fri 02/01/13 06:32 AM

The website "Your Tango" has published a commentary titled "I Had The 'Perfect' Body ... And I Hated It", written by a woman named Latoya Bidding.

Here is an excerpt from the commentary:

Growing up, I was extremely thin. It's not that I was starving myself; in fact I loved to eat. But no matter how much food I consumed, I never was able to budge from a size zero.

For much of my adolescence, my peers ridiculed me because of my size. As a teen, when everyone my age was starting to fill out and develop curves, I remained considerably thin. It took a toll on my confidence.

The issue of my weight reached a boiling point one summer day when I decided to wear shorts, which I'd never dared before; I was too self-conscious. Two men yelled at me from across the street, "Take those shorts off; you’re too skinny for that!" I was humiliated. Sure, I tried to laugh it off, but nothing was remotely funny about how I had been made to feel. After that day, I made it a point to never don a pair of shorts or a short skirt again.

Being "too thin" may sound like a problem most women would give anything to have, but my reality was different. As a woman of mixed heritage, my culture places a greater emphasis on being curvy. I've never held myself to the mainstream standard of beauty: being skinny. But I am. Back then, even more so — and it was a liability. . .




. . . It slowly dawned on me what a strong influence a person's culture can have on her perception of beauty — and how, if I had been born into a different culture, I would never have experienced all of those body insecurities growing up.

As you might have guessed, those guys who ridiculed me for looking too skinny in my shorts were men of color, like me. If it were a group of caucasian men on the corner that day, odds are I would be telling a whole different story. That's not to say every single person is a prisoner to the culture he or she grew up in, but it’s hard to argue the idea that heritage heavily influences what we what we find attractive. It's funny how I could feel so out of place all those years just because I was someone else's idea of beautiful instead of my own.


I'll leave it to you to read the rest of the commentary if you want.

What I want to know is this: Why would anyone encourage a woman to gain more weight/body fat than she needs in order to be healthy?


She's right... it's a culture thing! Not everyone in this culture feels this way obviously..... but alot of black women are curvy.
Alot of white women are not curvy.
So, when you have the opposite happen a very thin black woman or a very curvy white woman... It usually affects how they are viewed in their own community.
I don't think it's a matter of encouraging unhealthy eating habits to " get fat" its just what one is " use to" as far as culture.

msharmony's photo
Fri 02/01/13 06:50 AM
BALANCE

there is such a thing as too 'light' in body weight, just like there is too 'heavy'

and people influence those they believe to be underweight to gain, probably as often as they influence those they believe to be overweight to lose


and yes , different cultures have different images of beauty,,,

(but healthy is pretty standard, regardless of culture)

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 02/01/13 11:14 AM
It seems to me that Latoya Bidding was harassed for not having excessive body fat. Isn't it wrong for people to harass a woman for that reason?

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 02/01/13 11:19 AM


The website "Your Tango" has published a commentary titled "I Had The 'Perfect' Body ... And I Hated It", written by a woman named Latoya Bidding.

Here is an excerpt from the commentary:

Growing up, I was extremely thin. It's not that I was starving myself; in fact I loved to eat. But no matter how much food I consumed, I never was able to budge from a size zero.

For much of my adolescence, my peers ridiculed me because of my size. As a teen, when everyone my age was starting to fill out and develop curves, I remained considerably thin. It took a toll on my confidence.

The issue of my weight reached a boiling point one summer day when I decided to wear shorts, which I'd never dared before; I was too self-conscious. Two men yelled at me from across the street, "Take those shorts off; you’re too skinny for that!" I was humiliated. Sure, I tried to laugh it off, but nothing was remotely funny about how I had been made to feel. After that day, I made it a point to never don a pair of shorts or a short skirt again.

Being "too thin" may sound like a problem most women would give anything to have, but my reality was different. As a woman of mixed heritage, my culture places a greater emphasis on being curvy. I've never held myself to the mainstream standard of beauty: being skinny. But I am. Back then, even more so — and it was a liability. . .




. . . It slowly dawned on me what a strong influence a person's culture can have on her perception of beauty — and how, if I had been born into a different culture, I would never have experienced all of those body insecurities growing up.

As you might have guessed, those guys who ridiculed me for looking too skinny in my shorts were men of color, like me. If it were a group of caucasian men on the corner that day, odds are I would be telling a whole different story. That's not to say every single person is a prisoner to the culture he or she grew up in, but it’s hard to argue the idea that heritage heavily influences what we what we find attractive. It's funny how I could feel so out of place all those years just because I was someone else's idea of beautiful instead of my own.


I'll leave it to you to read the rest of the commentary if you want.

What I want to know is this: Why would anyone encourage a woman to gain more weight/body fat than she needs in order to be healthy?


She's right... it's a culture thing! Not everyone in this culture feels this way obviously..... but alot of black women are curvy.
Alot of white women are not curvy.
So, when you have the opposite happen a very thin black woman or a very curvy white woman... It usually affects how they are viewed in their own community.
I don't think it's a matter of encouraging unhealthy eating habits to " get fat" its just what one is " use to" as far as culture.


If Latoya Bidding was healthy while she was slender, then weren't her critics encouraging her to adopt unhealthy eating habits in order for her to gain more body fat than she needed? If she was under that kind of pressure from her "community", then wasn't there something wrong within her "community"?


msharmony's photo
Fri 02/01/13 11:31 PM



The website "Your Tango" has published a commentary titled "I Had The 'Perfect' Body ... And I Hated It", written by a woman named Latoya Bidding.

Here is an excerpt from the commentary:

Growing up, I was extremely thin. It's not that I was starving myself; in fact I loved to eat. But no matter how much food I consumed, I never was able to budge from a size zero.

For much of my adolescence, my peers ridiculed me because of my size. As a teen, when everyone my age was starting to fill out and develop curves, I remained considerably thin. It took a toll on my confidence.

The issue of my weight reached a boiling point one summer day when I decided to wear shorts, which I'd never dared before; I was too self-conscious. Two men yelled at me from across the street, "Take those shorts off; you’re too skinny for that!" I was humiliated. Sure, I tried to laugh it off, but nothing was remotely funny about how I had been made to feel. After that day, I made it a point to never don a pair of shorts or a short skirt again.

Being "too thin" may sound like a problem most women would give anything to have, but my reality was different. As a woman of mixed heritage, my culture places a greater emphasis on being curvy. I've never held myself to the mainstream standard of beauty: being skinny. But I am. Back then, even more so — and it was a liability. . .




. . . It slowly dawned on me what a strong influence a person's culture can have on her perception of beauty — and how, if I had been born into a different culture, I would never have experienced all of those body insecurities growing up.

As you might have guessed, those guys who ridiculed me for looking too skinny in my shorts were men of color, like me. If it were a group of caucasian men on the corner that day, odds are I would be telling a whole different story. That's not to say every single person is a prisoner to the culture he or she grew up in, but it’s hard to argue the idea that heritage heavily influences what we what we find attractive. It's funny how I could feel so out of place all those years just because I was someone else's idea of beautiful instead of my own.


I'll leave it to you to read the rest of the commentary if you want.

What I want to know is this: Why would anyone encourage a woman to gain more weight/body fat than she needs in order to be healthy?


She's right... it's a culture thing! Not everyone in this culture feels this way obviously..... but alot of black women are curvy.
Alot of white women are not curvy.
So, when you have the opposite happen a very thin black woman or a very curvy white woman... It usually affects how they are viewed in their own community.
I don't think it's a matter of encouraging unhealthy eating habits to " get fat" its just what one is " use to" as far as culture.


If Latoya Bidding was healthy while she was slender, then weren't her critics encouraging her to adopt unhealthy eating habits in order for her to gain more body fat than she needed? If she was under that kind of pressure from her "community", then wasn't there something wrong within her "community"?




I have to say, I have NO IDEA who Latoya Bidding is

seems like she goes through what every woman does at some point in her life

most women see super thin women in magazines and so do most men and that is one popular standard of what 'healthy' is supposed to look like, so women spend billions every year to attain that look, and men spend billions trying to impress women who have that look

in reality, many of those women are probably quite UNHEALTHY, although they appear hot, perfect,,,etc,,,,,


this is another question of not having absolute knowledge about anyone, so we use our senses to take educated guesses,,,,,


someoe who appears 'thick' may still be healthy, and someone who appears 'skinny' may also be healthy

but if someone LOOKS underweight we take a guess that they are not as healthy as they could be,, we do the same when they LOOK overweight...

few are setting out with an intent to inspire anyone to be unhealthy, I think the intention is the opposite

the gray area is those people who fit a physical standard that in GENERAL would be unhealthy, although in reality they are individually not unhealthy,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 02/02/13 10:17 AM
In her commentary, Bidding doesn't say that she was underweight. She simply says that she was slender. She gives no evidence that her slenderness was a health problem. So, wasn't it wrong for people to criticize her for her slenderness?

willowdraga's photo
Sat 02/02/13 10:32 AM
No way. If you find slender women unattractive you shouldn't lie about it.

msharmony's photo
Sat 02/02/13 01:22 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 02/02/13 01:25 PM

In her commentary, Bidding doesn't say that she was underweight. She simply says that she was slender. She gives no evidence that her slenderness was a health problem. So, wasn't it wrong for people to criticize her for her slenderness?



self image and reality are not always the same

people have no way of knowing one's health conditions , they can only make educated guesses

so someone who is 'slender' in appearance but healthy, may look physically similar to someone 'slender' who is not healthy

someone who appears chunky may be healthier than someone who seems hwp,,,,but noone has a way to KNOW for sure when they arent in someone elses skin and visiting their doctor with them

so we take guesses, we guess that excess weight is most likely not healthy for the person, and we guess that deficient weight is most likely not healthy for a person

just like suggesting a person who appears to be overweight could eat healthier or eat less doesnt mean we wish them to become unhealthily UNDERWEIGHT, it also is true that suggesting a person who appears underweight could eat more or eat healthier means we wish them to become unhealthily OVERWEIGHT

, I think there is a middle range here that is considered 'healthy' and those who love us want us to be in hat is (generally) a healthy range weight wise

so , to answer the posted question

"Why would anyone encourage a woman to gain more weight/body fat than she needs in order to be healthy? "



I dont think people do, I think they try to encourage people to be their idea of a healthy weight, or have what they consider a healthy proportion of body fat

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 02/02/13 02:22 PM
Amazing! A woman is harassed for not having more body fat than she needed, and women on this site are defending the harassment. Go figure.

msharmony's photo
Sun 02/03/13 08:42 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 02/03/13 08:43 AM

Amazing! A woman is harassed for not having more body fat than she needed, and women on this site are defending the harassment. Go figure.



the issues are being blurred actually.....the posted question had nothing to do with 'harassment', but instead the question was asked about being 'encouraged'

harassment is never alright, even if the message in the harassment is true


there is an appropriate and considerate way to approach things, but the OP never went into detail (at least not in the segment posted here) about EXACTLY the circumstances of her experience with adults,, only that children were cruel and men were judgmental

join the real world,,, she aint the only one


but the title 'encouraging fatness' is not quite applicable to what was posted

as she didnt state that anyoe told her she should be 'fat',,,,they only made a visual assessment that she could use more weight,,,,


heavenlyboy34's photo
Sun 02/03/13 02:21 PM
Didn't read the whole thread, but I'll share what I know. Traditionally, in just about every culture, curvy women were considered attractive. Skinny women used to be very common because poverty was the norm, so curviness indicated that a woman was at least somewhat well-to-do and healthy. It wasn't until people were able to cultivate food on a large scale for the masses that people could afford to be both skinny and healthy.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Sun 02/03/13 02:21 PM
Didn't read the whole thread, but I'll share what I know. Traditionally, in just about every culture, curvy women were considered attractive. Skinny women used to be very common because poverty was the norm, so curviness indicated that a woman was at least somewhat well-to-do and healthy. It wasn't until people were able to cultivate food on a large scale for the masses that people could afford to be both skinny and healthy.

msharmony's photo
Sun 02/03/13 05:14 PM

Didn't read the whole thread, but I'll share what I know. Traditionally, in just about every culture, curvy women were considered attractive. Skinny women used to be very common because poverty was the norm, so curviness indicated that a woman was at least somewhat well-to-do and healthy. It wasn't until people were able to cultivate food on a large scale for the masses that people could afford to be both skinny and healthy.


very true

even the medical profession 'adjusts' its height and weight scales over time


Dodo_David's photo
Sun 02/03/13 06:06 PM
I did a little research after I started this thread. Apparently, there is a segment of the U.S. male population in which the men want women to have fat rumps. I just think that it is wrong to insist that women gain more weight than they need. Am I the only one who thinks this way?

Ruth34611's photo
Sun 02/03/13 06:36 PM
Edited by Ruth34611 on Sun 02/03/13 06:36 PM

I did a little research after I started this thread. Apparently, there is a segment of the U.S. male population in which the men want women to have fat rumps. I just think that it is wrong to insist that women gain more weight than they need. Am I the only one who thinks this way?


There is a segment of the male population that prefer big boobs.
There is a segment of the male population that prefers very young women.
There is a segment of the male population that prefers....

Very old women
Skinny women
Blondes
Redheads
Small boobs
Asian women
Black women
Big butts
Little butts

I could go on and on....

Women have always been under pressure to look a certain way in order to attract men. Women are "harassed" about their appearance every time they pick up a magazine or watch television. This is nothing new and I doubt it will ever change.

Additionally, women harrass each other by comparing their bodies and looks to each other and putting pressure on each other to look a certain way.

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