Topic: INCOME TAX
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Wed 03/27/13 10:49 AM

Wesley Snipes



He was arrested and was faced up to 16 years in prison. This is a man with enough funds to hire the best tax lawyers around. If income taxes were illegal, he wouldn't have paid. But, he did.


He paid it because he was threatened with up to 16 years in prison, not because it is "legal." This is extortion. When the law is Illegal, but it is accepted and enforced anyway, there is not much one man can do, and if he tries, is is threatened and harassed, just like William J. Benson, author of a two-volume investigative report on the ratification of the 16th Amendment entitled "The Law That Never Was." He spent time in prison for alleged "tax evasion" under a law created by "congress" that they had no right to create and this was all political.


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Wed 03/27/13 11:24 AM


Wesley Snipes



He was arrested and was faced up to 16 years in prison. This is a man with enough funds to hire the best tax lawyers around. If income taxes were illegal, he wouldn't have paid. But, he did.


He paid it because he was threatened with up to 16 years in prison, not because it is "legal." This is extortion. When the law is Illegal, but it is accepted and enforced anyway, there is not much one man can do, and if he tries, is is threatened and harassed, just like William J. Benson, author of a two-volume investigative report on the ratification of the 16th Amendment entitled "The Law That Never Was." He spent time in prison for alleged "tax evasion" under a law created by "congress" that they had no right to create and this was all political.


so,laying in front of the Juggernaut will stop it?
There are other ways to skin a Cat!

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Wed 03/27/13 11:25 AM



Wesley Snipes



He was arrested and was faced up to 16 years in prison. This is a man with enough funds to hire the best tax lawyers around. If income taxes were illegal, he wouldn't have paid. But, he did.


He paid it because he was threatened with up to 16 years in prison, not because it is "legal." This is extortion. When the law is Illegal, but it is accepted and enforced anyway, there is not much one man can do, and if he tries, is is threatened and harassed, just like William J. Benson, author of a two-volume investigative report on the ratification of the 16th Amendment entitled "The Law That Never Was." He spent time in prison for alleged "tax evasion" under a law created by "congress" that they had no right to create and this was all political.


so,laying in front of the Juggernaut will stop it?
There are other ways to skin a Cat!


I don't skin cats, but I know what you are talking about.

You have to beat them at their own game.

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Wed 03/27/13 11:32 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 03/27/13 11:33 AM
The thing is, it is difficult to respect the "law" when most of it is written and enforced by a political mafia of a dysfunctional departmental corrupt system.

Therefore, you can't obey all the laws. Its impossible. There are too many so-called "laws." It is a maize of bull chit you have to wade through.

I feel that a corrupt system has no right to enforce their laws on the little guy when the elite club of the wealthy themselves don't abide by them. So when someone tells me that something is "illegal" I mostly take it with a grain of salt. Obey the rules and stay out of trouble and if you can't, then you have to just make sure you don't get caught.






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Wed 03/27/13 11:42 AM

The thing is, it is difficult to respect the "law" when most of it is written and enforced by a political mafia of a dysfunctional departmental corrupt system.

Therefore, you can't obey all the laws. Its impossible. There are too many so-called "laws." It is a maize of bull chit you have to wade through.

I feel that a corrupt system has no right to enforce their laws on the little guy when the elite club of the wealthy themselves don't abide by them. So when someone tells me that something is "illegal" I mostly take it with a grain of salt. Obey the rules and stay out of trouble and if you can't, then you have to just make sure you don't get caught.








i don't doubt you "feel" that way, sometimes i do to. but we still have to follow the law, no matter how we feel about it...

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Wed 03/27/13 12:28 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 03/27/13 12:28 PM


The thing is, it is difficult to respect the "law" when most of it is written and enforced by a political mafia of a dysfunctional departmental corrupt system.

Therefore, you can't obey all the laws. Its impossible. There are too many so-called "laws." It is a maize of bull chit you have to wade through.

I feel that a corrupt system has no right to enforce their laws on the little guy when the elite club of the wealthy themselves don't abide by them. So when someone tells me that something is "illegal" I mostly take it with a grain of salt. Obey the rules and stay out of trouble and if you can't, then you have to just make sure you don't get caught.








i don't doubt you "feel" that way, sometimes i do to. but we still have to follow the law, no matter how we feel about it...


Um.... no we don't.

We don't have to do anything.




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Wed 03/27/13 12:39 PM



The thing is, it is difficult to respect the "law" when most of it is written and enforced by a political mafia of a dysfunctional departmental corrupt system.

Therefore, you can't obey all the laws. Its impossible. There are too many so-called "laws." It is a maize of bull chit you have to wade through.

I feel that a corrupt system has no right to enforce their laws on the little guy when the elite club of the wealthy themselves don't abide by them. So when someone tells me that something is "illegal" I mostly take it with a grain of salt. Obey the rules and stay out of trouble and if you can't, then you have to just make sure you don't get caught.








i don't doubt you "feel" that way, sometimes i do to. but we still have to follow the law, no matter how we feel about it...


Um.... no we don't.

We don't have to do anything.






ok, then don't... i won't lose any sleep if you wanna be a rebel...

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Wed 03/27/13 12:54 PM




The thing is, it is difficult to respect the "law" when most of it is written and enforced by a political mafia of a dysfunctional departmental corrupt system.

Therefore, you can't obey all the laws. Its impossible. There are too many so-called "laws." It is a maize of bull chit you have to wade through.

I feel that a corrupt system has no right to enforce their laws on the little guy when the elite club of the wealthy themselves don't abide by them. So when someone tells me that something is "illegal" I mostly take it with a grain of salt. Obey the rules and stay out of trouble and if you can't, then you have to just make sure you don't get caught.








i don't doubt you "feel" that way, sometimes i do to. but we still have to follow the law, no matter how we feel about it...


Um.... no we don't.

We don't have to do anything.






ok, then don't... i won't lose any sleep if you wanna be a rebel...


I won't lose any sleep counting the many sheep that occupy this planet.

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Wed 03/27/13 04:41 PM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Wed 03/27/13 04:42 PM

we still have to follow the law...


Yes we do, but more importantly, we have to get THEM to follow the law, which they don't want to do, and which makes things a lot of fun (hilarious actually) when you know exactly what you are doing.

The "system" is legalized fraud...Once you know how the fraudulent system works, you can get them to paint themselves into a corner with it...It isn't long after that that they'll be either trying to bribe you or wishing you into a cornfield somewhere (à la Twilight Zone), so you have to be careful.

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Wed 03/27/13 04:44 PM



The thing is, it is difficult to respect the "law" when most of it is written and enforced by a political mafia of a dysfunctional departmental corrupt system.

Therefore, you can't obey all the laws. Its impossible. There are too many so-called "laws." It is a maize of bull chit you have to wade through.

I feel that a corrupt system has no right to enforce their laws on the little guy when the elite club of the wealthy themselves don't abide by them. So when someone tells me that something is "illegal" I mostly take it with a grain of salt. Obey the rules and stay out of trouble and if you can't, then you have to just make sure you don't get caught.








i don't doubt you "feel" that way, sometimes i do to. but we still have to follow the law, no matter how we feel about it...


Um.... no we don't.

We don't have to do anything.






This, and anyone who thinks they do, deserves to be enslaved because they don't care about their freedom enough to fight for it.

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Wed 03/27/13 05:18 PM


we still have to follow the law...


Yes we do, but more importantly, we have to get THEM to follow the law, which they don't want to do, and which makes things a lot of fun (hilarious actually) when you know exactly what you are doing.

The "system" is legalized fraud...Once you know how the fraudulent system works, you can get them to paint themselves into a corner with it...It isn't long after that that they'll be either trying to bribe you or wishing you into a cornfield somewhere (à la Twilight Zone), so you have to be careful.


Yep. You have to be careful with dealing with corrupt officials.

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Wed 03/27/13 05:36 PM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Wed 03/27/13 05:37 PM




The thing is, it is difficult to respect the "law" when most of it is written and enforced by a political mafia of a dysfunctional departmental corrupt system.

Therefore, you can't obey all the laws. Its impossible. There are too many so-called "laws." It is a maize of bull chit you have to wade through.

I feel that a corrupt system has no right to enforce their laws on the little guy when the elite club of the wealthy themselves don't abide by them. So when someone tells me that something is "illegal" I mostly take it with a grain of salt. Obey the rules and stay out of trouble and if you can't, then you have to just make sure you don't get caught.








i don't doubt you "feel" that way, sometimes i do to. but we still have to follow the law, no matter how we feel about it...


Um.... no we don't.

We don't have to do anything.






This, and anyone who thinks they do, deserves to be enslaved because they don't care about their freedom enough to fight for it.


The slave who fights for his freedom will perish in the battle. It is much better to know you are free; there is then no need to fight, only to enjoy your freedom.

Our perspective determines our position. If one see's himself as a slave fighting for his freedom, that's what he is. If a Canary believes it's in a cage struggling to get out, the canary will struggle to get out of the cage it perceives. If it sees itself as outside the cage, it will fly free.

As Gandhi once said: "The moment the slave resolves that he will no longer be a slave, his fetters fall. Freedom and slavery are mental states."

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Fri 03/29/13 12:37 PM


Wesley Snipes



He was arrested and was faced up to 16 years in prison. This is a man with enough funds to hire the best tax lawyers around. If income taxes were illegal, he wouldn't have paid. But, he did.


He paid it because he was threatened with up to 16 years in prison, not because it is "legal." This is extortion. When the law is Illegal, but it is accepted and enforced anyway, there is not much one man can do, and if he tries, is is threatened and harassed, just like William J. Benson, author of a two-volume investigative report on the ratification of the 16th Amendment entitled "The Law That Never Was." He spent time in prison for alleged "tax evasion" under a law created by "congress" that they had no right to create and this was all political.


I was addressing your point about there not being debters prosons anymore. If you don't pay, they will arrest you and send you to prison.

But, why wouldn't pay? We live in a great nation and it's more than worth the small price we have to pay.

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Fri 03/29/13 12:46 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 03/29/13 12:49 PM



Wesley Snipes



He was arrested and was faced up to 16 years in prison. This is a man with enough funds to hire the best tax lawyers around. If income taxes were illegal, he wouldn't have paid. But, he did.


He paid it because he was threatened with up to 16 years in prison, not because it is "legal." This is extortion. When the law is Illegal, but it is accepted and enforced anyway, there is not much one man can do, and if he tries, is is threatened and harassed, just like William J. Benson, author of a two-volume investigative report on the ratification of the 16th Amendment entitled "The Law That Never Was." He spent time in prison for alleged "tax evasion" under a law created by "congress" that they had no right to create and this was all political.


I was addressing your point about there not being debters prosons anymore. If you don't pay, they will arrest you and send you to prison.

But, why wouldn't pay? We live in a great nation and it's more than worth the small price we have to pay.


Not true. There are no debtors prisons and they don't put you in jail for "not paying" they use some other trumped up charge, like income tax evasion or contempt of court.

But if you file and if you just tell them you can't pay they will not put you in Jail for being poor. If you lie about not being able to pay, that is contempt of court and yes they can jail you for non compliance.

But if you just don't have the money, they can't jail your for being poor or unable to pay.

Being poor is NOT A CRIME.

Lying to the court about how much money you have to avoid paying them is a crime.



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Fri 03/29/13 01:24 PM

why wouldn't pay? We live in a great nation and it's more than worth the small price we have to pay.


Never get the country and the nation confused...A Nation is it's people...a Country is a territory under governmental administration.

Is the united States a great nation?...YES!
Is it a great country?...Most unfortunately, NO!

The same applies to Canada and many other nation states. I consider myself a patriotic Canadian, and would give my right wing for any of my fellows. Taxes?...Hey, I'm not greedy, I'd HAPPILY GIVE whatever is left over from meeting my needs to the "national revenue pool." to help my fellow Canadians and fellows of my species anywhere in the world...Do I pay taxes to the "country?"...NO!...I will not put one red cent of my money toward anything that injures or kills anybody anywhere; it is simply morally wrong to even be complicit in causing harm to ANYONE.

I was never too happy with Canada's performance with the peoples' money, but Canada's NATO participation in the bombing of Libya was the last straw for me...Something has to be done and it looks like I'm one of the few who stands a chance of straightening out the mess called Canada, for the good of all Canadians and human beings everywhere. Iceland set the precedent for Canada to follow and I'm going to see to it that Canada follows that precedent & creates a sovereign, social credit economy. (It might take me a few days or so LOL)...People are one thing, but they have to learn that you don't screw around with a duck...most especially with a duck that has a soft spot for people!

I hope you have ducks in the US, because it looks like a duck or two might be needed to help you guys down there too. Considering the population differential and the armaments involved, it could take almost half a dozen.

:laughing:

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Sun 03/31/13 01:12 AM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Sun 03/31/13 01:28 AM
I smell Rob Menard's twisted logic at work in this thread. Or Clifford Dean, perhaps. :laughing:

http://youtu.be/aoUwUCAdr8E

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Sun 03/31/13 03:57 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 03/31/13 03:59 AM




Wesley Snipes



He was arrested and was faced up to 16 years in prison. This is a man with enough funds to hire the best tax lawyers around. If income taxes were illegal, he wouldn't have paid. But, he did.


He paid it because he was threatened with up to 16 years in prison, not because it is "legal." This is extortion. When the law is Illegal, but it is accepted and enforced anyway, there is not much one man can do, and if he tries, is is threatened and harassed, just like William J. Benson, author of a two-volume investigative report on the ratification of the 16th Amendment entitled "The Law That Never Was." He spent time in prison for alleged "tax evasion" under a law created by "congress" that they had no right to create and this was all political.


I was addressing your point about there not being debters prosons anymore. If you don't pay, they will arrest you and send you to prison.

But, why wouldn't pay? We live in a great nation and it's more than worth the small price we have to pay.


Not true. There are no debtors prisons and they don't put you in jail for "not paying" they use some other trumped up charge, like income tax evasion or contempt of court.

But if you file and if you just tell them you can't pay they will not put you in Jail for being poor. If you lie about not being able to pay, that is contempt of court and yes they can jail you for non compliance.

But if you just don't have the money, they can't jail your for being poor or unable to pay.

Being poor is NOT A CRIME.

Lying to the court about how much money you have to avoid paying them is a crime.



nope,actually it is Contempt Of Court that puts them in the Slammer,not the Debt,but disobeying the Judge's Order to pay the Debt!
That's how Creditors are trying to get at your Money,and the IRS is no exception!

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Sun 03/31/13 04:29 AM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Sun 03/31/13 04:41 AM





Wesley Snipes



He was arrested and was faced up to 16 years in prison. This is a man with enough funds to hire the best tax lawyers around. If income taxes were illegal, he wouldn't have paid. But, he did.


He paid it because he was threatened with up to 16 years in prison, not because it is "legal." This is extortion. When the law is Illegal, but it is accepted and enforced anyway, there is not much one man can do, and if he tries, is is threatened and harassed, just like William J. Benson, author of a two-volume investigative report on the ratification of the 16th Amendment entitled "The Law That Never Was." He spent time in prison for alleged "tax evasion" under a law created by "congress" that they had no right to create and this was all political.


I was addressing your point about there not being debters prosons anymore. If you don't pay, they will arrest you and send you to prison.

But, why wouldn't pay? We live in a great nation and it's more than worth the small price we have to pay.


Not true. There are no debtors prisons and they don't put you in jail for "not paying" they use some other trumped up charge, like income tax evasion or contempt of court.

But if you file and if you just tell them you can't pay they will not put you in Jail for being poor. If you lie about not being able to pay, that is contempt of court and yes they can jail you for non compliance.

But if you just don't have the money, they can't jail your for being poor or unable to pay.

Being poor is NOT A CRIME.

Lying to the court about how much money you have to avoid paying them is a crime.



nope,actually it is Contempt Of Court that puts them in the Slammer,not the Debt,but disobeying the Judge's Order to pay the Debt!
That's how Creditors are trying to get at your Money,and the IRS is no exception!


That's a sneaky way the banks found of reintroducing "debtors prisons" eh?...(note that in Canada, "Contempt of Court" is the only common law charge still on the books; you don't need someone's account NAME to throw him in jail.) Of course none of this crap is gonna do any good when it's better known that the people (not the banks) are the REAL creditors of their country (which is a bankrupt corporation operating in receivership) and foreclose on it.

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Sun 03/31/13 05:00 AM

I smell Rob Menard's twisted logic at work in this thread. Or Clifford Dean, perhaps. :laughing:

http://youtu.be/aoUwUCAdr8E


Meh...They're only human so it stands to reason there would be something twisted about them. :laughing:

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Sun 03/31/13 05:13 AM
Strongman and the Lemon!
Strongman puts on a Show,squeezes a Lemon dry,then calls on anyone in the Audience to get three more drops of Juice out of the Lemon!
Prize would be 500Euro!
That little Man comes up on Stage,takes the Lemon,and squezes another half Cup out of it!
Strongman grudgingly pays those 500Euro over,but wants to know how that pintsize Man achieved it!
Little Man says,"Well,I am a Tax-Collector by Profession"!


So,you see,there is always something left for the Taxcollector!