Is the chasm even all that open anymore?

I mean, I can cook better than half of my exes....and most of them made at least an equal living professionally...and several...more.

By now we all know that women are MUCH more crude than men when they get to BS'n with friends lol.

Any thoughts or examples?

women have fought long and hard to be seen as the same as men,,,

and its mostly changed the culture to encourage them to be equally dishonest, equally ruthless, equally selfish, equally promiscuous,,,etc,,,

I dont see the behavior as having as much of a gap anymore,, but I Wish it did


there is , however, still the gap in how many MEN view women,albeit changing


whereas I believe the culture once encouraged men to cherish and protect and provide for women and children

it is now become an everyone is the same pandoras box, where too many men feel no bond/duty whatsoever to their female counterparts,,although they do have a long list of duties the females should have towards them


in terms of subjugation and oppression and 'second class' status, the gap is still there far too often,,,

can't say I understand men well enough to totally answer this

but I do think that men are mor emotionally vulnerable in general. at least that is how it seems to me


to me gender differences are more with respect to feelings than tasks. Anyone can learn to cook or bring home the proverbial bacon....so to speak

nice question, Beach

on another site I visit there is a man who persistently argues that feminism has had the effect of enslaving women.

what I do not understand is why women (we) cannot still be feminine and desire the masculine protector of our heart...even if we can do some tasks that are traditionally masculine?

I suppose the question is short sighted and should be predicated to "western culture"......and as far as subjugation is concerned, I guess I shouldn't assume that most men think like me.

......not to say I don't occasionally drag my knuckles.

"Proverbial Bacon".......giggle

I have long held that feminism may have done more harm than good, only because it was an unbalanced effort

women tried to change the perception of their capacities,,, to extend them, but they never balanced that by trying to adjust what was expected of men to compliment those capacities

so we didnt go from caretaker and homemaker who couldnt work, we went to caretaker and homemaker who is EXPECTED to also work

while men continued to just have the one expectation,, make a paycheck

we brought more upon ourself, instead of strengthening family and relationship by strengthening the expectation of actual PARTNERSHIP

as opposed to the current wonderwoman/provider culture we have developed where women should spend their time trying to do it all, for the purpose of pleasing men and looking good all the while

and men , should earn a check and then do whatever the hell they feel with the rest of their time,,


our communities, families, society is slowly decaying as a result of this and many other 'self empowering' campaigns(IMHO)

Now certain people within the feminism movement want women to be view as the same as men and ever way but for most people that is not so. True most want men and women to have the same equal chances but men like me don’t want a woman that is in every way like a man, if I wanted someone like a man, I would date a man. I have view men as expendable but women are important treasure that should be respected. I have also view men as my rivals in getting attention from women.



We men are very emotional but we many are not open about their emotionally needs. I think Yahoo had an article up about this showing the men primary get their emotional needs from their wife/girlfriend where are the women get it from friends and family. The article said that we a man does not get enough emotional and even some physical needs meet, that he is more likely to cheat on his women and often these men feel real terrible afterwards. Now this is not the reason why every man that cheats but why some do.


I have saw a woman argue that feminism has created so inequality between the genders in how when a woman cuts a man’s dick off she is somewhat praised for it but if a man did that to a woman’s breast, he should have a strung out for the futures. This is why she was promoting the humanist movement in which both genders are treated with the same respect.

Some women are feminine and like a guy to be traditional masculine, yet the woman is a successful businesswoman. Many are found in the Asian cultures.

That is a rather vague statement.



But women already were equally dishonest, equally selfish, etc.



That is because women were perceived to be incapable of protecting themselves and providing for themselves.



Then why are women letting men get away with it?




If you are referring to places like Afghanistan and Pakistan, then I agree.

my intent is not to be vague, it is to be general, as I cant speak to every person in every situation

men and women have always been honest or dishonest, selfish or unselfish, etc,,, but the CULTURE has not always tolerated it or promoted it as often as it does now

I dont know why women let men get away with it, my guess is more women hope they can do those things and are at least consistent enough not to hold the men to any higher a standard,,,


I am referring to right here in good old USA, where systemically, women are still second class in terms of their pay, their treatment, etc,,,(generally, not exclusively)

they are highly objectified and dehumanized, in my opinion

other cultures where they are objectified and humanized but restricted from choosing not to be

western culture just allows women to decide if they wish to be objectified and many have decided not to be,, but many others are all too happy to fill the role,,,

Would you care to support your claim with an example of what you are talking about?

just look up the numbers on what women are paid on average in the same positions as men

or how often women are promoted compared to men

or just look at our government, its still a mans world, in terms of the political and financial power,,,



the numbers are improving with time, but still poor enough that it appears women arent seen or treated as equals,,,,

If a man has had a certain position for 5 years, and if a woman has had the same position for only one year, then the two may not receive the same pay because of a difference in length of service.



What if certain women prevent themselves from being promoted because they don't want the drawbacks that come with having a higher position?



If there are more women than men in the general population, then why don't women vote themselves into power?

women, as I said, have bit themself in the butt by buying into the objectionism as a good thing,,,people can be sexist against their own sex,, just like they can be racist against their own race,,,etc,,,so women often put other women into second class status instead of uniting,,,

but, its just less likely to me that the numbers can be explained simply by women not 'chooosing' higher positions,,,,especially when they have gone through similar educational training for those positions,,,

I love reading this.

Just as people can be falsely accused of being sexist against their own sex and be falsely accused of being racist against their own race.

If the majority of eligible voters in the USA are female, then they can choose to vote more women onto political positions.

So, what if the majority of female voters actually prefer that things be a certain way, and you personally don't prefer it? Are you going to accuse that majority of females of being sexist against their own sex?

@msharmony
One of the biggest factors is the pay of women and men are the type of jobs they have. There are some fields where it is hard to find a woman in, not because the field is keeping them out but many women don’t choose that field. Some people believe that all jobs, like colleges, are suppose to be 50% women 50% men. They forget that individuals have different taste.

Take the show “The Deadliest Catch” not a job that to many men want, much less women, but they pay high dollar for the crab fishing. Then you have those women that choose to be a homemaker, which takes some of them out of the market or lowers the stats if they have a part time job.

As for politics, I think the smart women stay out of it. Remember Sarah Palin was demonized and many sexist remarks were made about, even by other women. After all, when a woman does acquire high office in a business or politics, the rumors start about how she slept her way to the top.

However Oprah Winfrey and Condalisa Rice both proven that women can gain great success in both business and in politics.

@Dodo_David
Some women are sexist against women. I have known blacks racist against blacks.

Of course men should be paid more than women!

Here are a few examples why....

We gotta tip strippers.

We gotta go to sport events.

We gotta buy y'all flowers when you are pissed at us for tipping strippers and going to sporting events.

My logic is irrefutable.

:)

Some women are pigs!

More differences between men and women...

Midlife crisis....

A guy buys a corvette and gains 3,180 pounds.

A woman eats a bucket of ice cream and gains 2 pounds.

Hehehe.