Don't you think a woman can poses every ladylike quality women have ever posessed and still be capable of doing things that are considered "man tasks"? Or does a woman fixing her own leaky pipe under her sink make her a "she-man? I'm just curious what qualifies a woman as a "she-man"?

Don't you think a woman can poses every ladylike quality women have ever posessed and still be capable of doing things that are considered "man tasks"? Or does a woman fixing her own leaky pipe under her sink make her a "she-man? I'm just curious what qualifies a woman as a "she-man"?

Don't you think a woman can poses every ladylike quality women have ever posessed and still be capable of doing things that are considered "man tasks"? Or does a woman fixing her own leaky pipe under her sink make her a "she-man? I'm just curious what qualifies a woman as a "she-man"?

My ex had been through a couple really bad relationships with her two ex-husbands. I'm not going into any details, but these things only help to solidify in her mind that men were basically useless. She has always been a very strong and independent woman. She has three children, owns her own home and worked for 14 years as line support at a local factory. When I was with her I saw that she was literally killing herself at this job and it took me a few months to convince her of this. She was in pain every day, in her joints, especially her elbows. Finally she took disability leave and now she owns her own restaurant (with her sister) and spends most of her time working there.

I can fully understand the reasons she has to work, but it has made her very hard, cold and unreachable (emotionally). Even her own kids have a hard time interacting with her. When a woman gets to this point it seems all the things that make her a woman have been replaced by the new role she must now claim. I'm not saying all women are like my ex, but a woman was never meant to be the man and trying to be the man can do a lot of damage to woman, both physically and mentally.

I often tried to get my ex to do some lady-like things, but it wasn't in her to do them. I'm sure on some level she could have, but she had always been a Tomboy and fiercely independent and combined with all the bad relationships she had just warped into an entirely different kind of person.

My ex may have been an extreme case and I don't mind a woman showing some initiative, whether with the plumbing or whatever, but when a woman takes this to extremes and starts acting more like a man than a woman that's where the problem lies.

1. When a man is the sole provider in a household, he is supporting a wife and their children. When a woman is the sole provider, she is supporting herself and the children... no matter what the situation, the culture must provide for that the man must support one more person than does the woman. Thus, he gets paid more across the board to accommodate this.
2. Sometime(s) in her career, a woman is expected to deliver a child or more. The culture also provides for the man to be able to cover any temporary unemployment as a result of newborns. Thus, his salary is systematically provided at a higher rate.
3. Now more than anytime in the recent past, companies are interested in hiring parents. They recognize the stability of child-raising. If your kids are still eight or less, the chances of your going bungie-jumping or aquatic cave diving (in the top three for accidental death) is very low. Parents of young children take fewer chances and lead a more regimented life, so their work habits are better as well. When a person has family to consider, hopping from job to job is hard, so the employee stays longer. Also, it is good for morale and self-image for companies to be labeled 'family-friendly'. This means that men will be promoted faster to allow women to have a home life.
What I'm trying to get to is that salary may not be used for a significant indicator of gender bias because there are structures within how our species raises children that show strategic advantage for management to pay men more. This will soften as time marches, but I assert that on the basis of salary alone, parity may be a long time coming for what some consider sound ethics. I am not asking you to agree, and I am not sayin what's right, just what it is for much of the world's business culture.
On the other hand, I train horses, and there is definitely gender parity. Equality of the equine culture is wonderful; showing at a show to see as many single horsewomen as men is encouraging. I think the environment also leads to talking frankly, so the games are lighter and warmer. I have always asked for strong women as partners, so to me gaps are moot.

Yes! Men in my house must kill/remove all arachnids from my girly presence!!!

Is the chasm even all that open anymore?

I mean, I can cook better than half of my exes....and most of them made at least an equal living professionally...and several...more.

By now we all know that women are MUCH more crude than men when they get to BS'n with friends lol.

Any thoughts or examples?

My ex had been through a couple really bad relationships with her two ex-husbands. I'm not going into any details, but these things only help to solidify in her mind that men were basically useless. She has always been a very strong and independent woman. She has three children, owns her own home and worked for 14 years as line support at a local factory. When I was with her I saw that she was literally killing herself at this job and it took me a few months to convince her of this. She was in pain every day, in her joints, especially her elbows. Finally she took disability leave and now she owns her own restaurant (with her sister) and spends most of her time working there.

I can fully understand the reasons she has to work, but it has made her very hard, cold and unreachable (emotionally). Even her own kids have a hard time interacting with her. When a woman gets to this point it seems all the things that make her a woman have been replaced by the new role she must now claim. I'm not saying all women are like my ex, but a woman was never meant to be the man and trying to be the man can do a lot of damage to woman, both physically and mentally.

I often tried to get my ex to do some lady-like things, but it wasn't in her to do them. I'm sure on some level she could have, but she had always been a Tomboy and fiercely independent and combined with all the bad relationships she had just warped into an entirely different kind of person.

My ex may have been an extreme case and I don't mind a woman showing some initiative, whether with the plumbing or whatever, but when a woman takes this to extremes and starts acting more like a man than a woman that's where the problem lies.

Personally I think a lot of it has to do with competition. And maybe even boasting and bragging...I live in area with a lot of "tough" and "macho" women who really can do most everything. (Which is great!)...But some seem pretty arrogant. They play the "one-up game" with men. (And women who seem too "sissy-like" to suit them.)...I take pride in being well-rounded and being able to do quite a bit on my own. But I don't want to act like a "macho man." It's not my nature.

Short blonde hair.
Bulging muscles to the point of explosive decompression.
Animal hide underwear.
Medieval weaponry.
Hanging out with Conan.

Sheena of the Jungle

3. Now more than anytime in the recent past, companies are interested in hiring parents. They recognize the stability of child-raising. If your kids are still eight or less, the chances of your going bungie-jumping or aquatic cave diving (in the top three for accidental death) is very low. Parents of young children take fewer chances and lead a more regimented life, so their work habits are better as well. When a person has family to consider, hopping from job to job is hard, so the employee stays longer. Also, it is good for morale and self-image for companies to be labeled 'family-friendly'. This means that men will be promoted faster to allow women to have a home life.

I know the type you're talking about. Personally, I am not changing a tire or fixing the pipes unless there is no other choice. Because I've become proficient at some man-chores doesn’t mean they have to become my favorite hobbies. Besides, if there's a man around, it's nice to watch him doing his man thang!

Sheena of the Jungle

The woman I was with prior to my ex skewered my hand with a meat fork right to the coffee table. I had to pry it out and go to the emergency room.

LOL...will do :)