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If we start regulating risk what would be the fun of living? risk is already wrongly regulated for adults seat belt helmets for example but the mother chose to risk the life of a child not old enough to understand the risk involved |
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I don't care who's fault it is, when a child dies, it is heartbreaking. Can you imagine being the parent and not being able to do anything to help your child. That is sad.  Exactly Unsure....No matter what, my heart goes out to this woman.... i feel a bit sad for her, but then again, at some point in life some kind of common sense has to prevail... how close to the fence does a person holding a child need to be? if something can happen, then people should take precautions to keep it from happening... i don't think she took any precautions... its a fence, a boundary, an object that says don't cross this line not meant to be climbed or raised above its not wise to try to usurp the point of the fence by trying to get around or above it |
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I feel we are overlitigious
its insensitive to badger the mother, but its also , in my opinion, the utmost in passing the buck for the parents to blame the zoo in any way there was a fence, its not meant to be climed, its not meant for us to pick our child up above,, our choice to take the risk,, seems the zoo took precaution to reduce risks,, there would be no way for them to totally prevent any risk,, they did much more in terms of precaution,, apparently, than this parent did I do feel for their loss though, and the guilt they will no doubt feel for a lifetime unless a court decides it was ths zoos 'fault' instead |
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Edited by
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I feel we are overlitigious its insensitive to badger the mother, but its also , in my opinion, the utmost in passing the buck for the parents to blame the zoo in any way there was a fence, its not meant to be climed, its not meant for us to pick our child up above,, our choice to take the risk,, seems the zoo took precaution to reduce risks,, there would be no way for them to totally prevent any risk,, they did much more in terms of precaution,, apparently, than this parent did I do feel for their loss though, and the guilt they will no doubt feel for a lifetime unless a court decides it was ths zoos 'fault' instead Regardless of the precautions, if you get food poisoning in a restaurant, is the customer to blame for taking the risk of eating there? You offer a service, you assume the risks That's what insurance is for, right or wrong |
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I feel we are overlitigious its insensitive to badger the mother, but its also , in my opinion, the utmost in passing the buck for the parents to blame the zoo in any way there was a fence, its not meant to be climed, its not meant for us to pick our child up above,, our choice to take the risk,, seems the zoo took precaution to reduce risks,, there would be no way for them to totally prevent any risk,, they did much more in terms of precaution,, apparently, than this parent did I do feel for their loss though, and the guilt they will no doubt feel for a lifetime unless a court decides it was ths zoos 'fault' instead Regardless of the precautions, if you get food poisoning in a restaurant, is the customer to blame for taking the risk of eating there? You offer a service, you assume the risks That's what insurance is for, right or wrong if the customer put their food NEAR the poison before it was poisoned,, yes they are to blame the person preparing the food is expected to look after the food the person taking their child by a fence, is expected to understand what a FENCE IS FOR you offer a service, but you don't have to be accountable for every stupid thing a patron does while trying to receive that service a better example is,, if you run a restaurant and a patron decides to try to do a knife swallowing trick ,, are you liable for their CLEAR POOOR JUDGEMENT,,, ? I doubt it |
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I think the (zoo insurance) rates will go up because of those and similar incidents, said Mitchel Kalmanson, president of the Lester Kalmanson Agency in Maitland, Fla. The agency, started in the 1950s, specializes in insuring wild animals and zoos.
He said the zoo does a great job with animal welfare. But the African painted dogs that mauled Maddox Derkosh, 2, of Whitehall are “nasty critters” and warranted stronger barriers from the public He said he ranks the dogs with hyenas and “even the tigers in riskiness. ��They're wild animals; they're an exotic animal by nature. They are not a pet. Kalmanson said that if he had insured the Pittsburgh zoo, he would have demanded better security at the painted-dog exhibit or in lieu of that �� an inflated deductible. This is a good article, it speaks to both sides of the issue... http://triblive.com/home/2972824-74/zoo-zoos-liability-dog-dogs-insurance-pittsburgh-exhibit-insurers-painted#axzz2fCBdKCg8 And the same with this one... Zoo worker Lou Nene told horticulture curator Frank Pizzi he was worried a child could tumble into the exhibit of African painted dogs because he often saw parents hoist youngsters onto a railing or hold them up to see the animals, according to the complaint. Pizzi told Nene that wasn't his concern, the complaint says. If that allegation holds up, lawyers said, it could become a crucial illustration that the zoo should have spotted a problem. ��It would be evidence of the fact that the risk was known to the zoo. The zoo could no longer say, ��We never imagined that could happen, said S. Michael Streib, a Duquesne University law professor. ��If an ordinary worker can see the risk, it certainly should be apparent to people who have expertise in risk management for these types of animals. http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/4110215-74/zoo-derkosh-case#axzz2fCBdKCg8 One or both articles also say that the public is not likely to learn the results of the suit because a settlement will probably be reached out of court.... |
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Far too often I pick up the paper or turn on the news only to learn another child has been murdered by an abusive parent...Some of the cases reported the abuse continued over a period of years...Some of the children were starved to death by drug addicted parents, some were beaten to death, some were dumped in the garbage after birth...So many horrifying cases of neglect and abuse at the hands of "idiot" men and women...In all of these cases the parents were prosecuted and sentenced...In this case, while taking her son on an outing, a mother made a horrendous mistake that cost his life...After the initial investigation that included interviews with eye witnesses who had to restrain the mom from climbing the rail and entering the pit in an attempt to save her baby, it was concluded that no criminal charges would be filed against the zoo or the mother...However, the investigation of zoo facilities is ongoing...The open platform and the net placed below it to catch "small" items like cameras and phones was not enough to prevent this tragedy...This mother and father will live with the consequences of her mistake for the rest of their lives...They will suffer and they will never have another opportunity to live a normal life unencumbered by guilt and remorse...To have no empathy for the mother is bad enough, but to ridicule and condemn her is beyond comprehension...Talk about idiocy... so every mother should do stupid things like lifting their child over a protective barrier? i have no empathy for people with no common sense... building "idiot" proof viewing areas just drives the cost up on things, when all it really takes is common sense. building things for idiots is also bad in another way, it teaches people not to think for themselves, and takes away any sort of personal responcibilty that we should all have... nature itself takes care if the sick, injured, and mentally challenged by recycling them back into nature, man has taken away the natural selection that the rest of nature has perfected... Oh BS Moe!...Obviously, the four foot barrier was not sufficient  : ....No empathy, really Moe?  ....Who are you to place a dollar amount on a human life? ...Some people don't have common sense, should we just shoot them? ...Building things that ensure safety for "patrons" is a legal requirement and has nadda to do with stupidity ...Personal responsibility and accidents are two separate issues ....And that last sentence i didn't make the world the way it is, it costs money to do these things... wouldn't it be cheaper to teach people to think for themselves rather than to just ignore their stupidity? she could read, i'm sure, but she choose to ignore the signs... common sense tells me not to stand against a wall and not lift my kids over it, but i'm guessing she choose to ignore that as well... sorry, i cannot blame the zoo on this, and the only empathy i have is for the boy, who is completely blameless on this... all she had to do was step back about a foot, then the kid would be still alive.. Speaking of which, check out your previous post ....You said, "You can't fix stupid."...Make up your mind damn it...  just throwing an idea out there... and your remedy is to let them be stupid? is that a right to be a dumbass? maybe you should throw your money out there to make sure stupid people are safe... just adding more laws and regulations is not the answer, it just strengthens the police state we are already in. |
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I feel we are overlitigious its insensitive to badger the mother, but its also , in my opinion, the utmost in passing the buck for the parents to blame the zoo in any way there was a fence, its not meant to be climed, its not meant for us to pick our child up above,, our choice to take the risk,, seems the zoo took precaution to reduce risks,, there would be no way for them to totally prevent any risk,, they did much more in terms of precaution,, apparently, than this parent did I do feel for their loss though, and the guilt they will no doubt feel for a lifetime unless a court decides it was ths zoos 'fault' instead Regardless of the precautions, if you get food poisoning in a restaurant, is the customer to blame for taking the risk of eating there? You offer a service, you assume the risks That's what insurance is for, right or wrong your not even close to apples to apples... there are no services at a zoo, you pay to see caged animals... the kid didn't die from food poisoning, he died because his mother is stupid... when you see a sign on the highway telling you to slow down, and you don't, and then wreck your car, is it the states fault for building a curve in the highway? no, it's your fault for not following directions... not real hard |
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Far too often I pick up the paper or turn on the news only to learn another child has been murdered by an abusive parent...Some of the cases reported the abuse continued over a period of years...Some of the children were starved to death by drug addicted parents, some were beaten to death, some were dumped in the garbage after birth...So many horrifying cases of neglect and abuse at the hands of "idiot" men and women...In all of these cases the parents were prosecuted and sentenced...In this case, while taking her son on an outing, a mother made a horrendous mistake that cost his life...After the initial investigation that included interviews with eye witnesses who had to restrain the mom from climbing the rail and entering the pit in an attempt to save her baby, it was concluded that no criminal charges would be filed against the zoo or the mother...However, the investigation of zoo facilities is ongoing...The open platform and the net placed below it to catch "small" items like cameras and phones was not enough to prevent this tragedy...This mother and father will live with the consequences of her mistake for the rest of their lives...They will suffer and they will never have another opportunity to live a normal life unencumbered by guilt and remorse...To have no empathy for the mother is bad enough, but to ridicule and condemn her is beyond comprehension...Talk about idiocy... so every mother should do stupid things like lifting their child over a protective barrier? i have no empathy for people with no common sense... building "idiot" proof viewing areas just drives the cost up on things, when all it really takes is common sense. building things for idiots is also bad in another way, it teaches people not to think for themselves, and takes away any sort of personal responcibilty that we should all have... nature itself takes care if the sick, injured, and mentally challenged by recycling them back into nature, man has taken away the natural selection that the rest of nature has perfected... Oh BS Moe!...Obviously, the four foot barrier was not sufficient : ....No empathy, really Moe? ....Who are you to place a dollar amount on a human life? ...Some people don't have common sense, should we just shoot them? ...Building things that ensure safety for "patrons" is a legal requirement and has nadda to do with stupidity ...Personal responsibility and accidents are two separate issues ....And that last sentence i didn't make the world the way it is, it costs money to do these things... wouldn't it be cheaper to teach people to think for themselves rather than to just ignore their stupidity? she could read, i'm sure, but she choose to ignore the signs... common sense tells me not to stand against a wall and not lift my kids over it, but i'm guessing she choose to ignore that as well... sorry, i cannot blame the zoo on this, and the only empathy i have is for the boy, who is completely blameless on this... all she had to do was step back about a foot, then the kid would be still alive.. Speaking of which, check out your previous post ....You said, "You can't fix stupid."...Make up your mind damn it... just throwing an idea out there... and your remedy is to let them be stupid? is that a right to be a dumbass? maybe you should throw your money out there to make sure stupid people are safe... just adding more laws and regulations is not the answer, it just strengthens the police state we are already in. Truth is there is no "remedy" Moe  ...The potential for horrific accidents will exist as long as wild animals are caged and exploited for profit....Impulse, stupidity, carelessness, mental illness, chemical dependency, physical disabilities, mechanical failures, the elements, and more will always be factors to consider and safeguard against in such facilities...It's the "nature" of the game...The mother erred, the zoo erred....There will be an out of court settlement, there will be changes made at the Pittsburg zoo, there will be an increase in the zoo's liability premiums, life will go on, and none of this will bring little Maddox back or restore sanity to the lives of the people who loved him most....The only positive to come from this is the Painted Dog Exhibit in that zoo will either be eliminated or the open area in the viewing platform sealed in a way that prevents a repeat of same ....
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Far too often I pick up the paper or turn on the news only to learn another child has been murdered by an abusive parent...Some of the cases reported the abuse continued over a period of years...Some of the children were starved to death by drug addicted parents, some were beaten to death, some were dumped in the garbage after birth...So many horrifying cases of neglect and abuse at the hands of "idiot" men and women...In all of these cases the parents were prosecuted and sentenced...In this case, while taking her son on an outing, a mother made a horrendous mistake that cost his life...After the initial investigation that included interviews with eye witnesses who had to restrain the mom from climbing the rail and entering the pit in an attempt to save her baby, it was concluded that no criminal charges would be filed against the zoo or the mother...However, the investigation of zoo facilities is ongoing...The open platform and the net placed below it to catch "small" items like cameras and phones was not enough to prevent this tragedy...This mother and father will live with the consequences of her mistake for the rest of their lives...They will suffer and they will never have another opportunity to live a normal life unencumbered by guilt and remorse...To have no empathy for the mother is bad enough, but to ridicule and condemn her is beyond comprehension...Talk about idiocy... so every mother should do stupid things like lifting their child over a protective barrier? i have no empathy for people with no common sense... building "idiot" proof viewing areas just drives the cost up on things, when all it really takes is common sense. building things for idiots is also bad in another way, it teaches people not to think for themselves, and takes away any sort of personal responcibilty that we should all have... nature itself takes care if the sick, injured, and mentally challenged by recycling them back into nature, man has taken away the natural selection that the rest of nature has perfected... Oh BS Moe!...Obviously, the four foot barrier was not sufficient : ....No empathy, really Moe? ....Who are you to place a dollar amount on a human life? ...Some people don't have common sense, should we just shoot them? ...Building things that ensure safety for "patrons" is a legal requirement and has nadda to do with stupidity ...Personal responsibility and accidents are two separate issues ....And that last sentence i didn't make the world the way it is, it costs money to do these things... wouldn't it be cheaper to teach people to think for themselves rather than to just ignore their stupidity? she could read, i'm sure, but she choose to ignore the signs... common sense tells me not to stand against a wall and not lift my kids over it, but i'm guessing she choose to ignore that as well... sorry, i cannot blame the zoo on this, and the only empathy i have is for the boy, who is completely blameless on this... all she had to do was step back about a foot, then the kid would be still alive.. Speaking of which, check out your previous post ....You said, "You can't fix stupid."...Make up your mind damn it... just throwing an idea out there... and your remedy is to let them be stupid? is that a right to be a dumbass? maybe you should throw your money out there to make sure stupid people are safe... just adding more laws and regulations is not the answer, it just strengthens the police state we are already in. Truth is there is no "remedy" Moe ...The potential for horrific accidents will exist as long as wild animals are caged and exploited for profit....Impulse, stupidity, carelessness, mental illness, chemical dependency, physical disabilities, mechanical failures, the elements, and more will always be factors to consider and safeguard against in such facilities...It's the "nature" of the game...The mother erred, the zoo erred....There will be an out of court settlement, there will be changes made at the Pittsburg zoo, there will be an increase in the zoo's liability premiums, life will go on, and none of this will bring little Maddox back or restore sanity to the lives of the people who loved him most....The only positive to come from this is the Painted Dog Exhibit in that zoo will either be eliminated or the open area in the viewing platform sealed in a way that prevents a repeat of same .... the zoo didn't err... |
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Far too often I pick up the paper or turn on the news only to learn another child has been murdered by an abusive parent...Some of the cases reported the abuse continued over a period of years...Some of the children were starved to death by drug addicted parents, some were beaten to death, some were dumped in the garbage after birth...So many horrifying cases of neglect and abuse at the hands of "idiot" men and women...In all of these cases the parents were prosecuted and sentenced...In this case, while taking her son on an outing, a mother made a horrendous mistake that cost his life...After the initial investigation that included interviews with eye witnesses who had to restrain the mom from climbing the rail and entering the pit in an attempt to save her baby, it was concluded that no criminal charges would be filed against the zoo or the mother...However, the investigation of zoo facilities is ongoing...The open platform and the net placed below it to catch "small" items like cameras and phones was not enough to prevent this tragedy...This mother and father will live with the consequences of her mistake for the rest of their lives...They will suffer and they will never have another opportunity to live a normal life unencumbered by guilt and remorse...To have no empathy for the mother is bad enough, but to ridicule and condemn her is beyond comprehension...Talk about idiocy... so every mother should do stupid things like lifting their child over a protective barrier? i have no empathy for people with no common sense... building "idiot" proof viewing areas just drives the cost up on things, when all it really takes is common sense. building things for idiots is also bad in another way, it teaches people not to think for themselves, and takes away any sort of personal responcibilty that we should all have... nature itself takes care if the sick, injured, and mentally challenged by recycling them back into nature, man has taken away the natural selection that the rest of nature has perfected... Oh BS Moe!...Obviously, the four foot barrier was not sufficient : ....No empathy, really Moe? ....Who are you to place a dollar amount on a human life? ...Some people don't have common sense, should we just shoot them? ...Building things that ensure safety for "patrons" is a legal requirement and has nadda to do with stupidity ...Personal responsibility and accidents are two separate issues ....And that last sentence i didn't make the world the way it is, it costs money to do these things... wouldn't it be cheaper to teach people to think for themselves rather than to just ignore their stupidity? she could read, i'm sure, but she choose to ignore the signs... common sense tells me not to stand against a wall and not lift my kids over it, but i'm guessing she choose to ignore that as well... sorry, i cannot blame the zoo on this, and the only empathy i have is for the boy, who is completely blameless on this... all she had to do was step back about a foot, then the kid would be still alive.. Speaking of which, check out your previous post ....You said, "You can't fix stupid."...Make up your mind damn it... just throwing an idea out there... and your remedy is to let them be stupid? is that a right to be a dumbass? maybe you should throw your money out there to make sure stupid people are safe... just adding more laws and regulations is not the answer, it just strengthens the police state we are already in. Truth is there is no "remedy" Moe ...The potential for horrific accidents will exist as long as wild animals are caged and exploited for profit....Impulse, stupidity, carelessness, mental illness, chemical dependency, physical disabilities, mechanical failures, the elements, and more will always be factors to consider and safeguard against in such facilities...It's the "nature" of the game...The mother erred, the zoo erred....There will be an out of court settlement, there will be changes made at the Pittsburg zoo, there will be an increase in the zoo's liability premiums, life will go on, and none of this will bring little Maddox back or restore sanity to the lives of the people who loved him most....The only positive to come from this is the Painted Dog Exhibit in that zoo will either be eliminated or the open area in the viewing platform sealed in a way that prevents a repeat of same .... the zoo didn't err... Did too, did too..... 
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Far too often I pick up the paper or turn on the news only to learn another child has been murdered by an abusive parent...Some of the cases reported the abuse continued over a period of years...Some of the children were starved to death by drug addicted parents, some were beaten to death, some were dumped in the garbage after birth...So many horrifying cases of neglect and abuse at the hands of "idiot" men and women...In all of these cases the parents were prosecuted and sentenced...In this case, while taking her son on an outing, a mother made a horrendous mistake that cost his life...After the initial investigation that included interviews with eye witnesses who had to restrain the mom from climbing the rail and entering the pit in an attempt to save her baby, it was concluded that no criminal charges would be filed against the zoo or the mother...However, the investigation of zoo facilities is ongoing...The open platform and the net placed below it to catch "small" items like cameras and phones was not enough to prevent this tragedy...This mother and father will live with the consequences of her mistake for the rest of their lives...They will suffer and they will never have another opportunity to live a normal life unencumbered by guilt and remorse...To have no empathy for the mother is bad enough, but to ridicule and condemn her is beyond comprehension...Talk about idiocy... so every mother should do stupid things like lifting their child over a protective barrier? i have no empathy for people with no common sense... building "idiot" proof viewing areas just drives the cost up on things, when all it really takes is common sense. building things for idiots is also bad in another way, it teaches people not to think for themselves, and takes away any sort of personal responcibilty that we should all have... nature itself takes care if the sick, injured, and mentally challenged by recycling them back into nature, man has taken away the natural selection that the rest of nature has perfected... Oh BS Moe!...Obviously, the four foot barrier was not sufficient : ....No empathy, really Moe? ....Who are you to place a dollar amount on a human life? ...Some people don't have common sense, should we just shoot them? ...Building things that ensure safety for "patrons" is a legal requirement and has nadda to do with stupidity ...Personal responsibility and accidents are two separate issues ....And that last sentence i didn't make the world the way it is, it costs money to do these things... wouldn't it be cheaper to teach people to think for themselves rather than to just ignore their stupidity? she could read, i'm sure, but she choose to ignore the signs... common sense tells me not to stand against a wall and not lift my kids over it, but i'm guessing she choose to ignore that as well... sorry, i cannot blame the zoo on this, and the only empathy i have is for the boy, who is completely blameless on this... all she had to do was step back about a foot, then the kid would be still alive.. Speaking of which, check out your previous post ....You said, "You can't fix stupid."...Make up your mind damn it... just throwing an idea out there... and your remedy is to let them be stupid? is that a right to be a dumbass? maybe you should throw your money out there to make sure stupid people are safe... just adding more laws and regulations is not the answer, it just strengthens the police state we are already in. Truth is there is no "remedy" Moe ...The potential for horrific accidents will exist as long as wild animals are caged and exploited for profit....Impulse, stupidity, carelessness, mental illness, chemical dependency, physical disabilities, mechanical failures, the elements, and more will always be factors to consider and safeguard against in such facilities...It's the "nature" of the game...The mother erred, the zoo erred....There will be an out of court settlement, there will be changes made at the Pittsburg zoo, there will be an increase in the zoo's liability premiums, life will go on, and none of this will bring little Maddox back or restore sanity to the lives of the people who loved him most....The only positive to come from this is the Painted Dog Exhibit in that zoo will either be eliminated or the open area in the viewing platform sealed in a way that prevents a repeat of same .... the zoo didn't err... Did too, did too..... i think we are at an impasse...maybe just mark this one as a "difference of opinion".... |
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did the railing fail? or did the mom go around the safety precautions?
Did the dog's get out and maul the kid in the viewing area? no.(so obviously the railing is good enough to keep the dogs in) This mom lifted her kid not only ABOVE the railing, but also OVER the railing INTO the exhibit, I'm sure there were signs posted as well(don't lean over railing, don't sit on railing, etc...every zoo i've been to has them) However the mother CHOSE to RISK IGNORING all safety precautions, unfortunately that CHOICE that she made to RISK her sons life came at the expense of her losing her son. The ZOO did nothing wrong, As far as "idiot" proofing zoos, really? say the do put glass what happens when some idiot throws a rock through it and the animals get out? is it the zoos fauilt or the animals fault. People need to take responsibility for THEIR CHOICES, unfortunately it wasn't the mother risking her life, it was that she CHOSE to risk her sons life and it ended in tragedy. |
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Far too often I pick up the paper or turn on the news only to learn another child has been murdered by an abusive parent...Some of the cases reported the abuse continued over a period of years...Some of the children were starved to death by drug addicted parents, some were beaten to death, some were dumped in the garbage after birth...So many horrifying cases of neglect and abuse at the hands of "idiot" men and women...In all of these cases the parents were prosecuted and sentenced...In this case, while taking her son on an outing, a mother made a horrendous mistake that cost his life...After the initial investigation that included interviews with eye witnesses who had to restrain the mom from climbing the rail and entering the pit in an attempt to save her baby, it was concluded that no criminal charges would be filed against the zoo or the mother...However, the investigation of zoo facilities is ongoing...The open platform and the net placed below it to catch "small" items like cameras and phones was not enough to prevent this tragedy...This mother and father will live with the consequences of her mistake for the rest of their lives...They will suffer and they will never have another opportunity to live a normal life unencumbered by guilt and remorse...To have no empathy for the mother is bad enough, but to ridicule and condemn her is beyond comprehension...Talk about idiocy... so every mother should do stupid things like lifting their child over a protective barrier? i have no empathy for people with no common sense... building "idiot" proof viewing areas just drives the cost up on things, when all it really takes is common sense. building things for idiots is also bad in another way, it teaches people not to think for themselves, and takes away any sort of personal responcibilty that we should all have... nature itself takes care if the sick, injured, and mentally challenged by recycling them back into nature, man has taken away the natural selection that the rest of nature has perfected... Oh BS Moe!...Obviously, the four foot barrier was not sufficient : ....No empathy, really Moe? ....Who are you to place a dollar amount on a human life? ...Some people don't have common sense, should we just shoot them? ...Building things that ensure safety for "patrons" is a legal requirement and has nadda to do with stupidity ...Personal responsibility and accidents are two separate issues ....And that last sentence i didn't make the world the way it is, it costs money to do these things... wouldn't it be cheaper to teach people to think for themselves rather than to just ignore their stupidity? she could read, i'm sure, but she choose to ignore the signs... common sense tells me not to stand against a wall and not lift my kids over it, but i'm guessing she choose to ignore that as well... sorry, i cannot blame the zoo on this, and the only empathy i have is for the boy, who is completely blameless on this... all she had to do was step back about a foot, then the kid would be still alive.. Speaking of which, check out your previous post ....You said, "You can't fix stupid."...Make up your mind damn it... just throwing an idea out there... and your remedy is to let them be stupid? is that a right to be a dumbass? maybe you should throw your money out there to make sure stupid people are safe... just adding more laws and regulations is not the answer, it just strengthens the police state we are already in. Truth is there is no "remedy" Moe ...The potential for horrific accidents will exist as long as wild animals are caged and exploited for profit....Impulse, stupidity, carelessness, mental illness, chemical dependency, physical disabilities, mechanical failures, the elements, and more will always be factors to consider and safeguard against in such facilities...It's the "nature" of the game...The mother erred, the zoo erred....There will be an out of court settlement, there will be changes made at the Pittsburg zoo, there will be an increase in the zoo's liability premiums, life will go on, and none of this will bring little Maddox back or restore sanity to the lives of the people who loved him most....The only positive to come from this is the Painted Dog Exhibit in that zoo will either be eliminated or the open area in the viewing platform sealed in a way that prevents a repeat of same .... the zoo didn't err... Did too, did too..... i think we are at an impasse...maybe just mark this one as a "difference of opinion".... Yes, please 
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I think the (zoo insurance) rates will go up because of those and similar incidents, said Mitchel Kalmanson, president of the Lester Kalmanson Agency in Maitland, Fla. The agency, started in the 1950s, specializes in insuring wild animals and zoos. He said the zoo does a great job with animal welfare. But the African painted dogs that mauled Maddox Derkosh, 2, of Whitehall are “nasty critters” and warranted stronger barriers from the public He said he ranks the dogs with hyenas and “even the tigers in riskiness. ��They're wild animals; they're an exotic animal by nature. They are not a pet. Kalmanson said that if he had insured the Pittsburgh zoo, he would have demanded better security at the painted-dog exhibit or in lieu of that �� an inflated deductible. This is a good article, it speaks to both sides of the issue... http://triblive.com/home/2972824-74/zoo-zoos-liability-dog-dogs-insurance-pittsburgh-exhibit-insurers-painted#axzz2fCBdKCg8 And the same with this one... Zoo worker Lou Nene told horticulture curator Frank Pizzi he was worried a child could tumble into the exhibit of African painted dogs because he often saw parents hoist youngsters onto a railing or hold them up to see the animals, according to the complaint. Pizzi told Nene that wasn't his concern, the complaint says. If that allegation holds up, lawyers said, it could become a crucial illustration that the zoo should have spotted a problem. ��It would be evidence of the fact that the risk was known to the zoo. The zoo could no longer say, ��We never imagined that could happen, said S. Michael Streib, a Duquesne University law professor. ��If an ordinary worker can see the risk, it certainly should be apparent to people who have expertise in risk management for these types of animals. http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/4110215-74/zoo-derkosh-case#axzz2fCBdKCg8 One or both articles also say that the public is not likely to learn the results of the suit because a settlement will probably be reached out of court.... both of these articles are just a persons opinion, and both are aimed at the zoo... the main article i posted i posted had already said that the fences were built to the laws that govern these matters... and any dog can be a "nasty critter", i know you have heard of the mauling from dogs outside of a zoo, so why would it be a surprise that the ones in a zoo would be any tamer? both of those articles are biased and slanted, and contain very little truth... |
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Why would a zoo have a wild dog exhibit?
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Leigh2154
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did the railing fail? or did the mom go around the safety precautions? Did the dog's get out and maul the kid in the viewing area? no.(so obviously the railing is good enough to keep the dogs in) This mom lifted her kid not only ABOVE the railing, but also OVER the railing INTO the exhibit, I'm sure there were signs posted as well(don't lean over railing, don't sit on railing, etc...every zoo i've been to has them) However the mother CHOSE to RISK IGNORING all safety precautions, unfortunately that CHOICE that she made to RISK her sons life came at the expense of her losing her son. The ZOO did nothing wrong, As far as "idiot" proofing zoos, really? say the do put glass what happens when some idiot throws a rock through it and the animals get out? is it the zoos fauilt or the animals fault. People need to take responsibility for THEIR CHOICES, unfortunately it wasn't the mother risking her life, it was that she CHOSE to risk her sons life and it ended in tragedy. What makes you say she lifted her baby over the railing?...According to every article I read, "eye witnesses" state she lifted him up, not over, and as she was doing so, he lunged forward with his arms and head causing her to lose her grasp....She didn't make a choice to risk her son's life, she made a choice to lift him up so he could see the painted dogs ...Plexiglass is shatter proof ...According to "eye witnesses" the mother tried to risk her life but was restrained by the same "eye witnesses".....If you were an "eye witness" you might have a better understanding of what actually happened that day...If you were a business owner, you might have a better understanding of liability risk....
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Why would a zoo have a wild dog exhibit? |
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did the railing fail? or did the mom go around the safety precautions? Did the dog's get out and maul the kid in the viewing area? no.(so obviously the railing is good enough to keep the dogs in) This mom lifted her kid not only ABOVE the railing, but also OVER the railing INTO the exhibit, I'm sure there were signs posted as well(don't lean over railing, don't sit on railing, etc...every zoo i've been to has them) However the mother CHOSE to RISK IGNORING all safety precautions, unfortunately that CHOICE that she made to RISK her sons life came at the expense of her losing her son. The ZOO did nothing wrong, As far as "idiot" proofing zoos, really? say the do put glass what happens when some idiot throws a rock through it and the animals get out? is it the zoos fauilt or the animals fault. People need to take responsibility for THEIR CHOICES, unfortunately it wasn't the mother risking her life, it was that she CHOSE to risk her sons life and it ended in tragedy. What makes you say she lifted her baby over the railing?...According to every article I read, "eye witnesses" state she lifted him up, not over, and as she was doing so, he lunged forward with his arms and head causing her to lose her grasp....She didn't make a choice to risk her son's life, she made a choice to lift him up so he could see the painted dogs ...Plexiglass is shatter proof ...According to "eye witnesses" the mother tried to risk her life but was restrained by the same "eye witnesses".....If you were an "eye witness" you might have a better understanding of what actually happened that day...If you were a business owner, you might have a better understanding of liability ri sk.... Bottom line she CHOSE to life her son OVER the safety railings, and unfortunately ended in tragedy. But she chose to do it, Responsibility is on her, Now if the dogs ESCAPED the exhibit the liability would be on the zoo, Being that I was in intelligence for 8 years, and no one on my watch died, I think I have a pretty good understanding of liability. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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did the railing fail? or did the mom go around the safety precautions? Did the dog's get out and maul the kid in the viewing area? no.(so obviously the railing is good enough to keep the dogs in) This mom lifted her kid not only ABOVE the railing, but also OVER the railing INTO the exhibit, I'm sure there were signs posted as well(don't lean over railing, don't sit on railing, etc...every zoo i've been to has them) However the mother CHOSE to RISK IGNORING all safety precautions, unfortunately that CHOICE that she made to RISK her sons life came at the expense of her losing her son. The ZOO did nothing wrong, As far as "idiot" proofing zoos, really? say the do put glass what happens when some idiot throws a rock through it and the animals get out? is it the zoos fauilt or the animals fault. People need to take responsibility for THEIR CHOICES, unfortunately it wasn't the mother risking her life, it was that she CHOSE to risk her sons life and it ended in tragedy. We're talking about a business that caters towards children by majority. This business cages wild animals, predators no less, and I know few kids who listen to their parents or bother to read signs (ever been to Walmart?). The fact that simply being able to even get over a railing by climbing, lifting, jumping or whatever means, for access to an area where wild animals are housed, and catering towards children of the disposition I mentioned above.... There is liability on the part of the zoo no matter whether you are talking of this one instance where a mother can share in that blame, or one child happens to be a good climber or jumper in the future. I also read above where someone had voiced these concerns of safety before to staff at the zoo, so any argument that does not lay some claim of liability on the zoo is simply undefensible due to lack of precautionary wisdom or action. |
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