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People in the U.S. are understandably against prostitution, because we can only understand prostitution from the way we have been brought up to perceive it. We like to pretend we are this "all-moral" group of people and that "our way, is the right way", and throughout our history we have put a negative light on prostitution, even going as far as making it illegal, but the fact that it was made illegal is part of the problem.
Let's look at little at the Prohibition era shall we? We "as a country" decided to legislate what we consider "evil" alcohol, well that didn't work, instead it backfired, it actually created more crime,(guess you can't legislate morality) and because of that, it seemed to prove to everyone that alcohol was in fact "evil" and the reason for the crimes, the alcohol wasn't the reason, it was the fact that we turned it into a criminal element by stating such. We have done the same thing with prostitution, again trying to legislate morality(it doesn't work, if it did, prostitution wouldn't exist in this country). The fact that we say it is illegal, it turns it into a criminal element, and all the things that are associated with that element "attach" themselves to it, such as illegal drugs, raps, sexual assaults, and unfortunately even murders. In Singapore pornography is illegal, however, prostitution is legal. Guess what? The U.S has 10x as many rapes every year compared to Singapore....hmmmm Before we use some logic, let's look at some statistics according to the Prostitution Education Network. Only 3-5% of STDs are prostitution-related, compared to 30-35% which is teen-related. So now to the logic part, in the U.S pornography is perfectly legal as long as your 18, let's pretend for a second that "18" is the real age when people first start viewing porn, we are perfectly okay with letting an 18-year old buy porn and get "wound up" but they have no outlet(no masturbation doesn't count) so 1. either they find another naive 18-year old(and spread STD's, because they don't understand safe sex) or 2.we could make prostitution legal, and they could learn safe-sex from someone who is very accustomed to the practice. I would choose number option 2. |
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Whores are dirty lowlifes
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Edited by
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Whores are dirty lowlifes That is very judgmental and disrespectful. Your profile claims that you are a nice guy. Yeh right.  |
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Whores are dirty lowlifes That is very judgmental and disrespectful. I figured if I ignored this comment he would go away lol. |
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People in the U.S. are understandably against prostitution, because we can only understand prostitution from the way we have been brought up to perceive it. We like to pretend we are this "all-moral" group of people and that "our way, is the right way", and throughout our history we have put a negative light on prostitution, even going as far as making it illegal, but the fact that it was made illegal is part of the problem. Let's look at little at the Prohibition era shall we? We "as a country" decided to legislate what we consider "evil" alcohol, well that didn't work, instead it backfired, it actually created more crime,(guess you can't legislate morality) and because of that, it seemed to prove to everyone that alcohol was in fact "evil" and the reason for the crimes, the alcohol wasn't the reason, it was the fact that we turned it into a criminal element by stating such. We have done the same thing with prostitution, again trying to legislate morality(it doesn't work, if it did, prostitution wouldn't exist in this country). The fact that we say it is illegal, it turns it into a criminal element, and all the things that are associated with that element "attach" themselves to it, such as illegal drugs, raps, sexual assaults, and unfortunately even murders. In Singapore pornography is illegal, however, prostitution is legal. Guess what? The U.S has 10x as many rapes every year compared to Singapore....hmmmm Before we use some logic, let's look at some statistics according to the Prostitution Education Network. Only 3-5% of STDs are prostitution-related, compared to 30-35% which is teen-related. So now to the logic part, in the U.S pornography is perfectly legal as long as your 18, let's pretend for a second that "18" is the real age when people first start viewing porn, we are perfectly okay with letting an 18-year old buy porn and get "wound up" but they have no outlet(no masturbation doesn't count) so 1. either they find another naive 18-year old(and spread STD's, because they don't understand safe sex) or 2.we could make prostitution legal, and they could learn safe-sex from someone who is very accustomed to the practice. I would choose number option 2. I'm going to argue one thing. That you can't "legislate morality". Most laws are based on morality. Murder is a moral issue, child porn and molestation is a moral issue, rape is a moral issue. To say you can not legislate morality would mean we would take and throw those laws out the window. Making a law doesn't stop people from doing bad things or as you said people wouldn't do anything wrong once a law was passed against it. But laws are put in place to give guide lines on how to handle certain things. Such as minimum and maximum sentences. If you took out government regulation then you would have anarchy and probably a lot more deaths until things balanced out and went back to having laws again. Don't say you can't legislate morality when you should realize that most laws are based on moral issues. |
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Whores are dirty lowlifes That is very judgmental and disrespectful. I figured if I ignored this comment he would go away lol. He's a "nice" guy he says. Not. |
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People in the U.S. are understandably against prostitution, because we can only understand prostitution from the way we have been brought up to perceive it. We like to pretend we are this "all-moral" group of people and that "our way, is the right way", and throughout our history we have put a negative light on prostitution, even going as far as making it illegal, but the fact that it was made illegal is part of the problem. Let's look at little at the Prohibition era shall we? We "as a country" decided to legislate what we consider "evil" alcohol, well that didn't work, instead it backfired, it actually created more crime,(guess you can't legislate morality) and because of that, it seemed to prove to everyone that alcohol was in fact "evil" and the reason for the crimes, the alcohol wasn't the reason, it was the fact that we turned it into a criminal element by stating such. We have done the same thing with prostitution, again trying to legislate morality(it doesn't work, if it did, prostitution wouldn't exist in this country). The fact that we say it is illegal, it turns it into a criminal element, and all the things that are associated with that element "attach" themselves to it, such as illegal drugs, raps, sexual assaults, and unfortunately even murders. In Singapore pornography is illegal, however, prostitution is legal. Guess what? The U.S has 10x as many rapes every year compared to Singapore....hmmmm Before we use some logic, let's look at some statistics according to the Prostitution Education Network. Only 3-5% of STDs are prostitution-related, compared to 30-35% which is teen-related. So now to the logic part, in the U.S pornography is perfectly legal as long as your 18, let's pretend for a second that "18" is the real age when people first start viewing porn, we are perfectly okay with letting an 18-year old buy porn and get "wound up" but they have no outlet(no masturbation doesn't count) so 1. either they find another naive 18-year old(and spread STD's, because they don't understand safe sex) or 2.we could make prostitution legal, and they could learn safe-sex from someone who is very accustomed to the practice. I would choose number option 2. I'm going to argue one thing. That you can't "legislate morality". Most laws are based on morality. Murder is a moral issue, child porn and molestation is a moral issue, rape is a moral issue. To say you can not legislate morality would mean we would take and throw those laws out the window. Making a law doesn't stop people from doing bad things or as you said people wouldn't do anything wrong once a law was passed against it. But laws are put in place to give guide lines on how to handle certain things. Such as minimum and maximum sentences. If you took out government regulation then you would have anarchy and probably a lot more deaths until things balanced out and went back to having laws again. Don't say you can't legislate morality when you should realize that most laws are based on moral issues. Let me clarify, you can't legislate morality of BOTH parties involved, Murder, only one party makes the choice, Rape, only one party makes the choice, Child Porn, again only one party makes the choice Molestation, only one party makes the choice, Prostitution, both parties make the choice and say it they are okay with it. |
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isaac_dede thanks for clarifying that.
Consenting adults. What does the government care if money exchanges hands except that they are pissed because they didn't get their share. They are more concerned about collecting taxes than morality. The government itself isn't moral anyway. Its all about money. |
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Prostitution, both parties make the choice and say it they are okay with it. This is assuming both parties are adults and that one of the parties wasn't kidnapped and sold or forced into the sex trade. Actually I would say that many people make a choice in the child porn ring thing. Especially if by chance some sick person has a friend who help in the filming or creation of it. But I do get your point on the consenting adult thing. I would agree that as long as both parties are consenting to the activity then there should be no problem with it. |
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Prostitution, both parties make the choice and say it they are okay with it. This is assuming both parties are adults and that one of the parties wasn't kidnapped and sold or forced into the sex trade. Actually I would say that many people make a choice in the child porn ring thing. Especially if by chance some sick person has a friend who help in the filming or creation of it. But I do get your point on the consenting adult thing. I would agree that as long as both parties are consenting to the activity then there should be no problem with it. In child porn, the child doesn't get a choice(or is incapable of making such a choice) Kidnapped(I'm sure the person kidnapped didn't have a choice, so that's not really them doing it of their free-will is it?) I'm talking both parties, who are willing to say give permission for a certain act, then you can't legislate it. Often someones ability to give permission is the VERY definition of a crime. Say for example, I took my buddies truck out on a joy ride without his permission=theft He gives me permission=no crime I have sex with a girl in a bar she gives me permission=casual sex She doesn't give me permission=rape Imagine for a second that you sold your truck to a buddy, you know he needed a truck and you needed money, so you GIVE him your truck he GIVES you money....No problem, what would happen if the government said you weren't allowed to sale your truck?, that once you bought something you weren't allowed to give it away? wouldn't make much sense would it? I see prostitution much the same way I see in other sell, it is the sale of a good/service for the exchange of money, both parties agree to the deal, and both are usually satisfied with the exchange. |
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People in the U.S. are understandably against prostitution, because we can only understand prostitution from the way we have been brought up to perceive it. We like to pretend we are this "all-moral" group of people and that "our way, is the right way", and throughout our history we have put a negative light on prostitution, even going as far as making it illegal, but the fact that it was made illegal is part of the problem. Let's look at little at the Prohibition era shall we? We "as a country" decided to legislate what we consider "evil" alcohol, well that didn't work, instead it backfired, it actually created more crime,(guess you can't legislate morality) and because of that, it seemed to prove to everyone that alcohol was in fact "evil" and the reason for the crimes, the alcohol wasn't the reason, it was the fact that we turned it into a criminal element by stating such. We have done the same thing with prostitution, again trying to legislate morality(it doesn't work, if it did, prostitution wouldn't exist in this country). The fact that we say it is illegal, it turns it into a criminal element, and all the things that are associated with that element "attach" themselves to it, such as illegal drugs, raps, sexual assaults, and unfortunately even murders. In Singapore pornography is illegal, however, prostitution is legal. Guess what? The U.S has 10x as many rapes every year compared to Singapore....hmmmm Before we use some logic, let's look at some statistics according to the Prostitution Education Network. Only 3-5% of STDs are prostitution-related, compared to 30-35% which is teen-related. So now to the logic part, in the U.S pornography is perfectly legal as long as your 18, let's pretend for a second that "18" is the real age when people first start viewing porn, we are perfectly okay with letting an 18-year old buy porn and get "wound up" but they have no outlet(no masturbation doesn't count) so 1. either they find another naive 18-year old(and spread STD's, because they don't understand safe sex) or 2.we could make prostitution legal, and they could learn safe-sex from someone who is very accustomed to the practice. I would choose number option 2. I'm going to argue one thing. That you can't "legislate morality". Most laws are based on morality. Murder is a moral issue, child porn and molestation is a moral issue, rape is a moral issue. To say you can not legislate morality would mean we would take and throw those laws out the window. Making a law doesn't stop people from doing bad things or as you said people wouldn't do anything wrong once a law was passed against it. But laws are put in place to give guide lines on how to handle certain things. Such as minimum and maximum sentences. If you took out government regulation then you would have anarchy and probably a lot more deaths until things balanced out and went back to having laws again. Don't say you can't legislate morality when you should realize that most laws are based on moral issues. Let me clarify, you can't legislate morality of BOTH parties involved, Murder, only one party makes the choice, Rape, only one party makes the choice, Child Porn, again only one party makes the choice Molestation, only one party makes the choice, Prostitution, both parties make the choice and say it they are okay with it. that's not a clarification of anything...just another thinly veiled attempt at justifying male participation in that which is exploitation will men not behappy until they given free regin to exploit women men such as this deserve to spend no time with women at all. end/ |
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I have sex with a girl in a bar she gives me permission=casual sex She doesn't give me permission=rape Just wanted to say if you have sex with a girl in a bar I hope it's in the bathroom. Otherwise you might get ticketed or fined for public indecency. lol On the topic of child porn when I said in some cases there is probably more than one person make a choice. I was thinking of the person who makes, possibly a person who distributed it and the buyer or buyers. Each of them makes a choice to go further into the pile of crap that lands them in prison with Bubba the bull queer. hahaha |
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People in the U.S. are understandably against prostitution, because we can only understand prostitution from the way we have been brought up to perceive it. We like to pretend we are this "all-moral" group of people and that "our way, is the right way", and throughout our history we have put a negative light on prostitution, even going as far as making it illegal, but the fact that it was made illegal is part of the problem. Let's look at little at the Prohibition era shall we? We "as a country" decided to legislate what we consider "evil" alcohol, well that didn't work, instead it backfired, it actually created more crime,(guess you can't legislate morality) and because of that, it seemed to prove to everyone that alcohol was in fact "evil" and the reason for the crimes, the alcohol wasn't the reason, it was the fact that we turned it into a criminal element by stating such. We have done the same thing with prostitution, again trying to legislate morality(it doesn't work, if it did, prostitution wouldn't exist in this country). The fact that we say it is illegal, it turns it into a criminal element, and all the things that are associated with that element "attach" themselves to it, such as illegal drugs, raps, sexual assaults, and unfortunately even murders. In Singapore pornography is illegal, however, prostitution is legal. Guess what? The U.S has 10x as many rapes every year compared to Singapore....hmmmm Before we use some logic, let's look at some statistics according to the Prostitution Education Network. Only 3-5% of STDs are prostitution-related, compared to 30-35% which is teen-related. So now to the logic part, in the U.S pornography is perfectly legal as long as your 18, let's pretend for a second that "18" is the real age when people first start viewing porn, we are perfectly okay with letting an 18-year old buy porn and get "wound up" but they have no outlet(no masturbation doesn't count) so 1. either they find another naive 18-year old(and spread STD's, because they don't understand safe sex) or 2.we could make prostitution legal, and they could learn safe-sex from someone who is very accustomed to the practice. I would choose number option 2. I'm going to argue one thing. That you can't "legislate morality". Most laws are based on morality. Murder is a moral issue, child porn and molestation is a moral issue, rape is a moral issue. To say you can not legislate morality would mean we would take and throw those laws out the window. Making a law doesn't stop people from doing bad things or as you said people wouldn't do anything wrong once a law was passed against it. But laws are put in place to give guide lines on how to handle certain things. Such as minimum and maximum sentences. If you took out government regulation then you would have anarchy and probably a lot more deaths until things balanced out and went back to having laws again. Don't say you can't legislate morality when you should realize that most laws are based on moral issues. Let me clarify, you can't legislate morality of BOTH parties involved, Murder, only one party makes the choice, Rape, only one party makes the choice, Child Porn, again only one party makes the choice Molestation, only one party makes the choice, Prostitution, both parties make the choice and say it they are okay with it. that's not a clarification of anything...just another thinly veiled attempt at justifying male participation in that which is exploitation will men not behappy until they given free regin to exploit women men such as this deserve to spend no time with women at all. end/ I am loving this thread. It's so much fun. In his suggested scenario both parties are consenting adults. One agrees to pay for sex. The other agrees to give sex for a price. In this scenario no one is really being exploited unless you assume that the woman is down trodden and desperate for money. But what if the woman is simply someone who enjoys sex and figures she can make money doing something she enjoys. Then how is she being exploited. She knows what she is getting into and does so willingly. I do not see that as exploitation. Your definition may vary from mine. But by my understanding in this given scenario it is not exploitation. |
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Oh lets not start with the blame game and accuse men of exploitation of poor defenseless women. Sure it happens, but isaac_dede and me are talking about two consenting adults.
And issy, we are not talking about kidnapping, and the child sex trade. That is not "prostitution" with consenting adults. Of course if women were able to make as much money as men all the time, there would not be so much prostitution. Women have something men want and some are willing to pay for it. One way or another they do pay for it. Men and women are not on equal footing and they never will be. Women as a general rule don't get the highest paying jobs either in sports or industry. Things have changed a little but even recently, women have had to fight for equal pay, their own credit ratings, the right to vote etc. Women have slept their way into their jobs, or been sexually harassed by their bosses. Prostitution should not be illegal or legalized. The government should stay out of that business and let two consenting adults do what they chose to do. |
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Bean. I know what is being talked about. I'm just having fun basically nit picking to take the conversation in new directions. That's why I pretty much switched sides to argue the opposite of what I was arguing before. I also made Isaac define more his stance on legislating morality. I'm very good at what I do and just wish I could get paid for it. hahaha
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People in the U.S. are understandably against prostitution, because we can only understand prostitution from the way we have been brought up to perceive it. We like to pretend we are this "all-moral" group of people and that "our way, is the right way", and throughout our history we have put a negative light on prostitution, even going as far as making it illegal, but the fact that it was made illegal is part of the problem. Let's look at little at the Prohibition era shall we? We "as a country" decided to legislate what we consider "evil" alcohol, well that didn't work, instead it backfired, it actually created more crime,(guess you can't legislate morality) and because of that, it seemed to prove to everyone that alcohol was in fact "evil" and the reason for the crimes, the alcohol wasn't the reason, it was the fact that we turned it into a criminal element by stating such. We have done the same thing with prostitution, again trying to legislate morality(it doesn't work, if it did, prostitution wouldn't exist in this country). The fact that we say it is illegal, it turns it into a criminal element, and all the things that are associated with that element "attach" themselves to it, such as illegal drugs, raps, sexual assaults, and unfortunately even murders. In Singapore pornography is illegal, however, prostitution is legal. Guess what? The U.S has 10x as many rapes every year compared to Singapore....hmmmm Before we use some logic, let's look at some statistics according to the Prostitution Education Network. Only 3-5% of STDs are prostitution-related, compared to 30-35% which is teen-related. So now to the logic part, in the U.S pornography is perfectly legal as long as your 18, let's pretend for a second that "18" is the real age when people first start viewing porn, we are perfectly okay with letting an 18-year old buy porn and get "wound up" but they have no outlet(no masturbation doesn't count) so 1. either they find another naive 18-year old(and spread STD's, because they don't understand safe sex) or 2.we could make prostitution legal, and they could learn safe-sex from someone who is very accustomed to the practice. I would choose number option 2. I'm going to argue one thing. That you can't "legislate morality". Most laws are based on morality. Murder is a moral issue, child porn and molestation is a moral issue, rape is a moral issue. To say you can not legislate morality would mean we would take and throw those laws out the window. Making a law doesn't stop people from doing bad things or as you said people wouldn't do anything wrong once a law was passed against it. But laws are put in place to give guide lines on how to handle certain things. Such as minimum and maximum sentences. If you took out government regulation then you would have anarchy and probably a lot more deaths until things balanced out and went back to having laws again. Don't say you can't legislate morality when you should realize that most laws are based on moral issues. Let me clarify, you can't legislate morality of BOTH parties involved, Murder, only one party makes the choice, Rape, only one party makes the choice, Child Porn, again only one party makes the choice Molestation, only one party makes the choice, Prostitution, both parties make the choice and say it they are okay with it. that's not a clarification of anything...just another thinly veiled attempt at justifying male participation in that which is exploitation will men not behappy until they given free regin to exploit women men such as this deserve to spend no time with women at all. end/ I guess I am undeserving of my girlfriend(who shares my views on the matter) The definition of exploitation by the Oxford dictionary is this " use (a situation or person) in an unfair or selfish way" If the prostitute agrees to the price how is it unfair? If he/she is willing to have sex how is that selfish? This is about prostitution which as Leigh pointed out earlier it is not solely a women's issue (22-30% of prostitutes in the U.S are male) If I kidnapped a women and forced her to clean a bathroom that was flooded and full of feces, I would be the viewed as one of the most vile people of all time, and someone who completely degraded someone else Now if i had a bathroom and I hired a female plumber(who was willing to do the service for a set price) No one would give me two looks and would think it was completely normal. Same action, both disgusting and probably not a job many would be willing to do, however, some people are willing for a price. I understand it is a job, that many would not want to do, but just because someone may not be willing to do that job, doesn't mean we should look down on those who are willing. |
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 I like how you compared having sex for money with cleaning a bathroom that was flooded and full of feces for money. |
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Bean. I know what is being talked about. I'm just having fun basically nit picking to take the conversation in new directions. That's why I pretty much switched sides to argue the opposite of what I was arguing before. I also made Isaac define more his stance on legislating morality. I'm very good at what I do and just wish I could get paid for it. hahaha So you think your are good at this? (Um, no you're not.) Going off track and off topic is not "good" especially when you get caught doing it and someone has to bring you back on topic. Its just an attempt to be distracting and a waste of time. |
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I like how you compared having sex for money with cleaning a bathroom that was flooded and full of feces for money. 
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Edited by
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I was thinking of this as well,
Maybe making prostitution illegal was a way to keep women OUT OF POWER..... Now hear me out, we all know men are horny and we are obviously VERY willing PAY for sex, one way or another. Maybe the men of old, seen this a threat, we all know those who have the most money, are generally the ones in charge, if it was legal for women to charge for sex, it stands to reason then that they could make substantial sums from men, maybe enough to make more than the men and thus usurp their power.....hmmmm |
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