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Topic: Obama Threatens Congress, I Have a Pen
Lpdon's photo
Wed 01/15/14 10:49 PM
In comments to the media before a Cabinet meeting Tuesday, Barack Obama said he will sign more executive actions and take more unilateral action in 2014 – a thinly-veiled threat to the Republican-controlled House.

Obama’s comments come on the heels of an announcement on Whitehouse.gov that “2014 will be a year of Action for the American people – and President Obama is ready to use every executive action available to him to make sure of it.”

In other words, damn the torpedos; full speed ahead!


“One of the things that I will be emphasizing in this meeting is the fact that we are not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we are providing Americans the kind of help that they need. I’ve got a pen, and I’ve got a phone. And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward.”

Of course, it’s his ball that he intends to move forward. He speaks of “the American people” as if they’re this over-simplified homogenous group that clamors in unison for whatever policy, program or agenda he’s pushing at the time.

Setting aside the confrontational tone of Obama’s declaration, it’s clear that he views the executive order as a preferred alternative to negotiation and the legislative process – and here’s why: he has no appetite for compromise. If a bill he supports fails to pass Congress, he enacts it through executive order (DREAM Act). If he opposing existing legislation, he orders that it be ignored (Defense of Marriage Act, existing immigration law). Apparently, he’s gearing up for more.

It’s often said that sometimes, how you say what you say is more important than what you say. This is a concept completely lost on this president. His arrogance and condescension are two of his worst enemies. Threatening your opposition while at the same time asking them to cooperate with you? Not a good tactic, Mr. President.

Incidentally, as for the “I’ve got a phone” part of the comment, Obama said he’d use it to “talk to the American people.” Funny, one would’ve thought he’d use it to talk to Congress.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/01/108765-confrontational-obamas-ive-got-pen-ive-got-phone-blast/

What an arrogant narcissist.

msharmony's photo
Wed 01/15/14 11:25 PM
these are facts:

PResidents do have pens,,

Presidents to have phones

It Is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign VETOS

it is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign Executive Orders


this is opinion:

in a government with the most DO NOTHING congress in my lifetime,, whose members make public statements that their GOAL is to work at not moving along the country, but making sure to oppose the POTUS,,


Im glad SOMEONE is talking about doing SOMETHING,,,,lol


this is another opinion:
speaking of 'the people' is the common vernacular used in every political discussion or discourse I have ever read,,,,its relevant in a political topic and nothing at all to do with narcissism



Lpdon's photo
Wed 01/15/14 11:31 PM
He is threatening Executive Orders against the will of the people and Congress and the Senate.

msharmony's photo
Wed 01/15/14 11:35 PM
1. PResident OBama has used the veto TWICE

that's 10 less than Bush, and 76 less than Raegan



2. in 5 years, he has signed 166 executive orders,,

that's 5 less than BUsh did in his firsr 4 years
and 50 less than Raegan in his two terms

.... explain again how with OBama its 'narcissism' to use the presidential pen

boredinaz06's photo
Wed 01/15/14 11:38 PM



Not talking about the veto, talking about obozo using executive orders to circumvent congress.

msharmony's photo
Wed 01/15/14 11:43 PM




Not talking about the veto, talking about obozo using executive orders to circumvent congress.


a familiar accusation/assumption, executive orders affect how departments under the EXECUTIVE branch will function,,,,


Reagan did the same thing,,,



from a1987 article :


With 17 months of his presidency remaining, Ronald Reagan will bank on executive orders and judicial action to implement social policies that he cannot persuade Congress to enact, Gary L. Bauer, the President's chief domestic policy adviser, declared Thursday.

Bauer, the feisty attorney Reagan named to push his social issue agenda, said the President may accomplish some of his goals in such areas as abortion and pornography through a series of executive orders and by his appointment of conservative judges to the federal judiciary, including his nomination of Judge Robert H. Bork to the Supreme Court.


"With a hostile Congress that doesn't show much sign of coming toward us on some of these issues, it behooves us to take the initiative when we can take it," Bauer said.

There are a number of things "the President can unilaterally do," Bauer said, as evidenced by the plan Reagan announced three weeks ago to curb federal funding for organizations and groups that support abortion.


http://articles.latimes.com/1987-08-21/news/mn-2317_1_executive-order


and Obama has used the Exeutive Order FAR LESS Than Raegan did,, did the same people consider him a dangerous 'narcissist' as well, I wonder?

boredinaz06's photo
Wed 01/15/14 11:49 PM
All presidents have used them since its invention, the issue is the type of EO's that are created. i know I'm talking to the wind here cause obozo is great and praise be to obozo, but his EO's are not in our best interest but in the interest of the government which is not our friend.

msharmony's photo
Wed 01/15/14 11:54 PM

All presidents have used them since its invention, the issue is the type of EO's that are created. i know I'm talking to the wind here cause obozo is great and praise be to obozo, but his EO's are not in our best interest but in the interest of the government which is not our friend.


its not a matter of him being great or not

its a matter of applying standards consistently

to call his use of the 'pen' narcissistic merely because he will se it seems inconsistent if we don't consider ALL presidents narcissistic for that same choice to do the same thing


if there are SPECIFIC executive orders people take issue with (and Im sure that will be the case for any president who issues hundreds of them in their term),, that is a different debate

to point out how a specific EO is not in our best interest is different from declaring a POTUS narcissistic for signing it,,,



Lpdon's photo
Thu 01/16/14 12:21 AM




Not talking about the veto, talking about obozo using executive orders to circumvent congress.


It's ok, I love the blind devotion Obamas cheerleaders give to him! It gives me a good laugh(event though nothing about Barry is funny except his big Dumbo ears).

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 01/16/14 12:22 AM
the Guy has become a lose Cannon!

Poor Guy believes he is Napoleon VII.slaphead

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 01/16/14 12:27 AM





Not talking about the veto, talking about obozo using executive orders to circumvent congress.


a familiar accusation/assumption, executive orders affect how departments under the EXECUTIVE branch will function,,,,


Reagan did the same thing,,,



from a1987 article :


With 17 months of his presidency remaining, Ronald Reagan will bank on executive orders and judicial action to implement social policies that he cannot persuade Congress to enact, Gary L. Bauer, the President's chief domestic policy adviser, declared Thursday.

Bauer, the feisty attorney Reagan named to push his social issue agenda, said the President may accomplish some of his goals in such areas as abortion and pornography through a series of executive orders and by his appointment of conservative judges to the federal judiciary, including his nomination of Judge Robert H. Bork to the Supreme Court.


"With a hostile Congress that doesn't show much sign of coming toward us on some of these issues, it behooves us to take the initiative when we can take it," Bauer said.

There are a number of things "the President can unilaterally do," Bauer said, as evidenced by the plan Reagan announced three weeks ago to curb federal funding for organizations and groups that support abortion.


http://articles.latimes.com/1987-08-21/news/mn-2317_1_executive-order


and Obama has used the Exeutive Order FAR LESS Than Raegan did,, did the same people consider him a dangerous 'narcissist' as well, I wonder?

Yeah,right,Obama has used his Execcutive Orders to reign in the Departments!
Likely story!
The Idiot is Legislating and governing from the WH by Executive Order!
He is a Tyrant!
A small little man with delusions of grandeur!

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/16/14 01:06 AM
that's what was said about Reagan too

politics as usual



MoonsDragonLionWolf's photo
Thu 01/16/14 03:40 AM

these are facts:

PResidents do have pens,,

Presidents to have phones

It Is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign VETOS

it is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign Executive Orders


this is opinion:

in a government with the most DO NOTHING congress in my lifetime,, whose members make public statements that their GOAL is to work at not moving along the country, but making sure to oppose the POTUS,,


Im glad SOMEONE is talking about doing SOMETHING,,,,lol


this is another opinion:
speaking of 'the people' is the common vernacular used in every political discussion or discourse I have ever read,,,,its relevant in a political topic and nothing at all to do with narcissism





It is not legal for any United States president to violate the seperation of powers by circumventing congress all together in order to force through their agendas that otherwise would not pass.
Even with a divided congress.
Unless there is an emergency situation that must be dealt with immediately, Executive Orders should not be used.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 01/16/14 06:04 AM


these are facts:

PResidents do have pens,,

Presidents to have phones

It Is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign VETOS

it is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign Executive Orders


this is opinion:

in a government with the most DO NOTHING congress in my lifetime,, whose members make public statements that their GOAL is to work at not moving along the country, but making sure to oppose the POTUS,,


Im glad SOMEONE is talking about doing SOMETHING,,,,lol


this is another opinion:
speaking of 'the people' is the common vernacular used in every political discussion or discourse I have ever read,,,,its relevant in a political topic and nothing at all to do with narcissism





It is not legal for any United States president to violate the seperation of powers by circumventing congress all together in order to force through their agendas that otherwise would not pass.
Even with a divided congress.
Unless there is an emergency situation that must be dealt with immediately, Executive Orders should not be used.


You expect ethics, law and morals to prevent this POTUS from acting like a dictator?! rofl


InvictusV's photo
Thu 01/16/14 07:21 AM
I personally think that the less congress does the better.

Executive orders can be nullified by the next president, so what he does with his phone and pen from here on out will be much easier to erase than if it were a law.






Conrad_73's photo
Thu 01/16/14 08:06 AM
Congress ought to be clearly telling him what he ought to do with his Pen!pitchfork

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 01/16/14 08:10 AM

I personally think that the less congress does the better.

Executive orders can be nullified by the next president, so what he does with his phone and pen from here on out will be much easier to erase than if it were a law.







Not likely Congress would pass that Drivel!
More likely it would be an Executive Order,or some Fiat by some unelected Flunky,like those 80'000 pages in the Federal Register for '13 that have never seen any Legislative Action,yet are Legal and can be used against anyone breaking those Regulations and Statutes!

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/16/14 08:33 AM


these are facts:

PResidents do have pens,,

Presidents to have phones

It Is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign VETOS

it is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign Executive Orders


this is opinion:

in a government with the most DO NOTHING congress in my lifetime,, whose members make public statements that their GOAL is to work at not moving along the country, but making sure to oppose the POTUS,,


Im glad SOMEONE is talking about doing SOMETHING,,,,lol


this is another opinion:
speaking of 'the people' is the common vernacular used in every political discussion or discourse I have ever read,,,,its relevant in a political topic and nothing at all to do with narcissism





It is not legal for any United States president to violate the seperation of powers by circumventing congress all together in order to force through their agendas that otherwise would not pass.
Even with a divided congress.
Unless there is an emergency situation that must be dealt with immediately, Executive Orders should not be used.


that is a different debate

the potus is head of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH,, also executive offices,,,

different to pass laws over people, than to make determinations about how your office (s) will be run,,,,


his/her duties include making sure the laws are faithfully executed,

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/16/14 08:35 AM
which executive orders are more 'dictatorlike' than executive orders under other Presidents?



Conrad_73's photo
Thu 01/16/14 08:36 AM



these are facts:

PResidents do have pens,,

Presidents to have phones

It Is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign VETOS

it is legal for Presidents to use the pen to sign Executive Orders


this is opinion:

in a government with the most DO NOTHING congress in my lifetime,, whose members make public statements that their GOAL is to work at not moving along the country, but making sure to oppose the POTUS,,


Im glad SOMEONE is talking about doing SOMETHING,,,,lol


this is another opinion:
speaking of 'the people' is the common vernacular used in every political discussion or discourse I have ever read,,,,its relevant in a political topic and nothing at all to do with narcissism





It is not legal for any United States president to violate the seperation of powers by circumventing congress all together in order to force through their agendas that otherwise would not pass.
Even with a divided congress.
Unless there is an emergency situation that must be dealt with immediately, Executive Orders should not be used.


that is a different debate

the potus is head of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH,, also executive offices,,,

different to pass laws over people, than to make determinations about how your office (s) will be run,,,,


his/her duties include making sure the laws are faithfully executed,

and this latter is exactly what Obama is constantly violating with his Executive Orders!
He is legislating with them!
Open your Eyes if you can!frustrated

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