Topic: Haters, Baiters, and Traitors... OH MY!
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Wed 05/21/14 03:41 PM
Edited by no1phD on Wed 05/21/14 03:42 PM
.. I tend to take people at their face value..
I do not prejudge.
. I do not read into them! something that I may want them to be... they are who they are.
.. fiction or nonfiction....
.. if I liked you when I first meet you.. online or otherwise.. then I like you..if you choose to change.
. down the line.
. if I like you enough and I'm open minded enough.. I accept your changes.. and the relationship moves forward...
. if I don't. or cannot accept this new reality.. the relationship does not move forward..
. easy peasy.. nice n Easy.. at the end of the day you are who you are.. and who you present yourself to be to...
.me

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Thu 05/22/14 01:47 AM

Athena, internet trolling culture originated on gaming sites.

... it was taken for granted that we were all fictional characters and anyone bringing real life arguments into chat was banned.

That was very much a player versus player game and it was the intrigue and calling out other players on chat that made it fun.

The other game that I was into wasn't so much like that and if you didn't agree with the atheist liberal science geeks that dominated chat you got a reputation as a troll.

To me, they were the trolls and bullies because they were picking on anyone that was different and dissented but to them that site was a space on the internet where they weren't being discriminated against and bullied by the extremely vocal religious right that exists in America.

If you go on any internet site you're going to find it dominated by a clique of regulars that use the site.

It's true that you can't really know how genuine someone on the internet is... women are a lot more forthcoming and honest on the phone or when you meet them.

It works both ways.


I very much recognize how we all have an innate need to belong... to fit in... to lend our individualistic minds and hearts to some small part of our own cultures and make our voices heard... to feel understood... to not allow dissenters a platform of disrespect, intentional or implied...

But I also see a pattern in what you describe as a gaming mentality and practice that seen through the eyes of a novice looks like has been carried over and into the fabric of dating sites.

As if during the evolution of online gaming and communication social sites are merely by products of each other with no clear definitions being designed to tell them apart. And it can be extremely disconcerting.

Call me old fashioned, even antiquated... and I know it's been decades since I've actually dated in reality... but even back then dating was considered the time of discovery. The initial falling in love, lust, infatuation stage prior to making commitments that we either worked at to make them last or they could unravel and fall apart if the familiarity turned to boredom and monotony turned to a return to playing dating games and excitement seeking...

But we never mixed the two simultaneously. There's a time and a place for everything. And when I joined dating sites in search of that special soul that I just knew would connect with me if I could just put myself in their line of vision, open myself up with all my flaws and vulnerabilities... well certainly I thought I had entered the realm that would/could help to make that dream, fantasy, desire come true for me.

Sure, I knew I was/am taking risks by being myself and not presenting a false front right from the starting gate. I knew I wouldn't be everybody's cup of tea. But I also didn't think I would be overtly hated and blatantly disrespected publicly on dating sites.

Gaming sites where a competitive spirit and hard knocks of wins and losses is what you anticipate and prime for when you enter the door is the rule. And I have no problem with taking a beating if I'm not the stronger player.

But to have the same competitive spirit on dating sites too?

In a place where we think we're interacting honestly enough to be taken seriously, so we can meet others we want to develop genuine relationships with, it's all still just a game, and may the better player or team win?

I wish I had known this was really the way it is to start with. A little heads up would have been nice. At least then I would have known to be pretentious and not take anything seriously at all.

I would have known I was really wasting my time because only players play online regardless to what title is on their sites to draw in a crowd.

So you are correct, we never know how genuine someone is, or even how genuine a site is until we get there and experience things first hand.

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Thu 05/22/14 01:57 AM

hmmmm....i don't know but if you want,you can come and ask all the women in my basement smokin


I have to admit, JT, you're a tiny bit frightening... scared Being part of a harem wasn't what I had in mind for me though... :wink:

I do however appreciate your honesty... :tongue:

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Thu 05/22/14 02:03 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Thu 05/22/14 02:08 AM



You don't know people anymore online than you do in real life, you just convince yourself you do.

People tell you what you want to hear in a lot of cases, it is only natural, they want to create bonds and ties to someone...Something tangible. In real life they do this boldly to your face and without the time that is allowed on the internet for learning their mannerisms and behavior; naturally, you are left at a great disadvantage. So, truth be told; you don't know that the people you talk to face to face are telling you the truth anymore than someone online.

You're just assuming the worst in either case, or assuming the worst of one in favor of the other for reasons all your own but they are both relatively equal.


I don't judge people that easily or quickly either online or face to face. First I take some time to become familiar enough to know whether we identify with life's basic issues and each other enough to where furthering a friendship is worth the effort it takes to create the space for each other in our lives.

As for you thinking that I assume the worst in or about anything is rather startling when you and I have never communicated enough to really get to know each other on or offline.

So in this generalization I think your comment is unfair.

As for people telling me what I want to hear I think this statement is equally as ridiculous because it has no genuine foundation to base your position on as I assume you aren't privy to all my many conversations either online or face to face. So how could you ascertain this without any certainty?

Not to mention the fact that I'm a senior citizen who has been around the world long enough to know my own mind and the games people play. It doesn't take rocket science to see through scammers, players, liars, or cheats, it only takes a little time and a few in depth conversations to determine the trajectory of their goals and game.

In choosing who I want to get close too I've always let people prove themselves to me first. Faults and all. None of us are perfect and in fact it is our flaws that can make us more interesting and endearing, so I don't push people away or ignore them just based on their shortcomings or limitations.

It has always been about how the other treats me personally. If they respect me and show me than I respect them equally. If they don't respect me than there's no need to even try to connect because the natural attraction or infatuation isn't there for me. And it doesn't take long for me to determine this factor at all.

Someone can claim undying love for me and never fail to make me feel this way in private. But if as soon as they get me in front of their family and/or friends they show me the slightest bit of disrespect because their circle might not think I measure up to their standards, then it's over. And I don't fight to save a relationship that isn't based on a genuine connection from deep inside.

If someone claims love and they don't show it in front of others, then to me they are simply posers. And I'm not. I either like you or I don't. And if I do I stand up for you with all I've got, even if it costs me personally. That's just how much I devote myself to those I care for. And if they don't have the same or similar feelings and abilities for me, it's a waste of my time and energy to endure a one-sided relationship.

We are all different. Some people will tolerate anything to feel or be wanted. Some us of have earned the ability to draw lines we don't want or have to cross.

It's really just that simple to me.


Well, I'm glad you are open to differing opinions.

Have at it, tah.


Welcoming, even allowing myself to be converted by differences in opinions is what has helped me to see and understand the world in ways I never could have with a closed mind.

I don't have a problem with being wrong. Because I love to learn new things to keep my mind and feelings fresh and alive. Even if they sting initially from being called out.

If I was always right I could never experience the need to open myself up to grow. And there's nothing I dislike more in life than intellectual boredom.


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Thu 05/22/14 02:22 AM

laugh laugh laugh


Better hope you never meet that one!


I really wanted to laugh, which was my first gut reaction to seeing this caricature. Then I started reading the definitions and I grew so sad with each one. Because I know some people are really like this. Their minds, lives, and hearts are so closed and they miss out on so much because they don't really know anything of true importance. Then once I get past the pity I feel it becomes more of an annoyance at how dare they inflict their misery and ignorance onto me and everybody else within their firing range.

Thanks for sharing it, because it definitely describes them accurately. :thumbsup:

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Thu 05/22/14 02:34 AM


Meeting strangers and becoming friends face to face is pretty simple for most of us.

First we judge each other by outward appearances and if our interest is peaked we take it to the next level by introducing ourselves to find out more personal details about our individual lives.

Then as our cursory exams pass the muster we start spending time together becoming more familiar and growing closer or farther apart depending on how we appreciate the other's responses to various shared experiences.

Face to face it's easier to determine each others authenticity through body language, eye to eye contact, emotional responses and the like. While the more involved we become our motives, integrity, daring and personal limits are readily apparent as well.

On the flip side...

Meeting strangers and becoming friends in online communities, not just on dating sites isn't as simple as it would seem to be for many of us.

With the advantage of cloaking abilities to weed through the masses looking for kindred spirits and minds we have to be ultra careful about whom we meet that may not ultimately appear as what or who they initially present themselves to be.

So we move forward protectively and let our guards down only after much repeated connectivity while also knowing instinctively there is still more than meets the eye online.

My questions then becomes...

From sociopaths and psychopaths to sycophants and autocrats... from introverts and extroverts to narcissists and trolling perverts... from the cream of the crop at the ivy league top to the very bottom of the socially acceptable pile of poor taste and lack of style...

How do we really know what kind of people we are dealing with while interacting online with others we spend time with becoming acquaintances and friends?

And in the grand scheme of developing relationships does personality types matter as much as appearance and substance does?



People in real life can pull the wool over your eyes. And we know people online can certainly do this too. I think people have to use their common sense in both situations (this can sometimes be a bad thing because some people do not know how to use common sense). I met a girl one night (began talking to her at a club) and we hit it off. I left that night with her number and had high hopes for her. But man....the first date happened and she was a totally different person. I misjudged her but at the very least (on the first and only date) I was able to see their was no way things would progress with her. She hated me for not wanting to pursue things but I can handle being called every thing but a white man. laugh


I think as we get older and more experienced it becomes more difficult for people to fool us quite so often as they could in our naive youths.

Speaking of common sense...

If you meet a woman at a club where I assume you both are enjoying the drinks and lively party atmosphere, your thoughts and vision could be altered enough to see things that aren't there. Then in the sobering light of day they stood out beyond shadows of a doubt.

So maybe clubs aren't the best place to make initial assessments. :tongue:

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Thu 05/22/14 02:36 AM

.. I tend to take people at their face value..
I do not prejudge.
. I do not read into them! something that I may want them to be... they are who they are.
.. fiction or nonfiction....
.. if I liked you when I first meet you.. online or otherwise.. then I like you..if you choose to change.
. down the line.
. if I like you enough and I'm open minded enough.. I accept your changes.. and the relationship moves forward...
. if I don't. or cannot accept this new reality.. the relationship does not move forward..
. easy peasy.. nice n Easy.. at the end of the day you are who you are.. and who you present yourself to be to...
.me


waving :thumbsup:

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Thu 05/22/14 02:44 AM
I've just learned to develop a thicker skin about it and trolls just don't really bother me anymore. It is just people on the internet trying to get a reaction out of you, or just being annoying and they can only do that if you let them. In a way it's like therapy or an anger management thing. There's not really anything that anybody on here can say to or about me that would really bother me anymore.

On the gaming site forum that I was on I was sent to the flame forum to do my posting because I was pissing off a lot of people by keeping criticising how a lot of other players were playing the game. The rules are different in the flame forum and you can say pretty much anything that you like about anybody as long as you don't use personal information that they didn't bring into the ring themselves. I actually give them personal information about myself out of choice and I don't have to do that and I could be a cowardly troll that flames other people but doesn't divulge things about myself like they are but that just makes them into shadowy non entities really and that's how I look at them. It's called flamebaiting when people post things that are going to draw personal attacks. If you do it on here you get the personal criticism and that maybe makes you think about yourself and your problems and you can become less sensitive about it. It's not being able to take personal criticism that stops a lot of people from getting over their problems and holding onto anger and resentment. Once you stop just blaming other people you can start to take a good look at yourself and really own up to your faults. That's how I look at it.

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Thu 05/22/14 02:55 AM

Why people post a pic that is so outdated and not a true representation of themselves is beyond me and yet as many people on this site will attest to .. It does happen.


Our outward appearances can be easily altered through all kinds of modern day techniques. So the way we look right now today can be different this same time tomorrow. Do we update our profiles every time we change our looks?

To me, the true representation of who we really are comes shining through our physical attributes of whats considered pretty, beautiful, ugly, or even disgusting by the way we treat others. By how we conduct ourselves.

The most beautiful person in the room that turns everyone's head in awe as we stare at their good fortune they've been blessed with by mother nature can just as easily sicken us and turn us instantly against them if their attitudes are inflated by their big heads.

Then all we see is a distorted view that we'd rather avoid, even run from.

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Thu 05/22/14 03:11 AM

Misrepresentation in its simplest form .. Would you agree Athena


No, I don't think any type of photos that truly depict us at the various stages of our lives is misrepresentation.

I think misrepresentation is when we consistently present ourselves in false lights that are clearly meant to lure, bait and/or deceive without the actual intent of ever fully disclosing.


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Thu 05/22/14 03:19 AM

looks have nothing to do with a persons intellect or how they treat others. Deception on the other hand is ugly .. No matter what a persons physical appearance


You're quite right... flowerforyou

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Thu 05/22/14 03:27 AM



Misrepresentation in its simplest form .. Would you agree Athena


No, I don't think any type of photos that truly depict us at the various stages of our lives is misrepresentation.

I think misrepresentation is when we consistently present ourselves in false lights that are clearly meant to lure, bait and/or deceive without the actual intent of ever fully disclosing.


hmmm I am sure people who have arranged a meet based on a profile photo .... only to find it was sooooh outdated would agree. Personally , I am not interested in what someone looked like 10 or 20 years ago .. Only how they are now .


I totally agree... people who spend the time, energy, and money to meet a stranger face to face for a date would certainly want to previously assess that who they're going to see looks like the person they're expecting.

And aren't we lucky that we also have access to things like Skype, FaceTime and the like where we can get our first live looks to make sure we like what we see prior to the first meet and greet.

Modern technology has simplified everything. And anyone who doesn't perform their due diligence up front will know better next time won't they? happy

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Thu 05/22/14 03:30 AM




You don't know people anymore online than you do in real life, you just convince yourself you do.

People tell you what you want to hear in a lot of cases, it is only natural, they want to create bonds and ties to someone...Something tangible. In real life they do this boldly to your face and without the time that is allowed on the internet for learning their mannerisms and behavior; naturally, you are left at a great disadvantage. So, truth be told; you don't know that the people you talk to face to face are telling you the truth anymore than someone online.

You're just assuming the worst in either case, or assuming the worst of one in favor of the other for reasons all your own but they are both relatively equal.


I don't judge people that easily or quickly either online or face to face. First I take some time to become familiar enough to know whether we identify with life's basic issues and each other enough to where furthering a friendship is worth the effort it takes to create the space for each other in our lives.

As for you thinking that I assume the worst in or about anything is rather startling when you and I have never communicated enough to really get to know each other on or offline.

So in this generalization I think your comment is unfair.

As for people telling me what I want to hear I think this statement is equally as ridiculous because it has no genuine foundation to base your position on as I assume you aren't privy to all my many conversations either online or face to face. So how could you ascertain this without any certainty?

Not to mention the fact that I'm a senior citizen who has been around the world long enough to know my own mind and the games people play. It doesn't take rocket science to see through scammers, players, liars, or cheats, it only takes a little time and a few in depth conversations to determine the trajectory of their goals and game.

In choosing who I want to get close too I've always let people prove themselves to me first. Faults and all. None of us are perfect and in fact it is our flaws that can make us more interesting and endearing, so I don't push people away or ignore them just based on their shortcomings or limitations.

It has always been about how the other treats me personally. If they respect me and show me than I respect them equally. If they don't respect me than there's no need to even try to connect because the natural attraction or infatuation isn't there for me. And it doesn't take long for me to determine this factor at all.

Someone can claim undying love for me and never fail to make me feel this way in private. But if as soon as they get me in front of their family and/or friends they show me the slightest bit of disrespect because their circle might not think I measure up to their standards, then it's over. And I don't fight to save a relationship that isn't based on a genuine connection from deep inside.

If someone claims love and they don't show it in front of others, then to me they are simply posers. And I'm not. I either like you or I don't. And if I do I stand up for you with all I've got, even if it costs me personally. That's just how much I devote myself to those I care for. And if they don't have the same or similar feelings and abilities for me, it's a waste of my time and energy to endure a one-sided relationship.

We are all different. Some people will tolerate anything to feel or be wanted. Some us of have earned the ability to draw lines we don't want or have to cross.

It's really just that simple to me.


Well, I'm glad you are open to differing opinions.

Have at it, tah.


Welcoming, even allowing myself to be converted by differences in opinions is what has helped me to see and understand the world in ways I never could have with a closed mind.

I don't have a problem with being wrong. Because I love to learn new things to keep my mind and feelings fresh and alive. Even if they sting initially from being called out.

If I was always right I could never experience the need to open myself up to grow. And there's nothing I dislike more in life than intellectual boredom.




Yet you are right and I am wrong. The irony is fitting, at least.

My comment wasn't directed at you, it was towards the topic you started, you taking offense to it and approaching it with such a personal touch shows me that there is no real discussion to be had in this topic.

Your way or the highway...Not my digs, peace.

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Thu 05/22/14 03:32 AM
:smile: Very good Topic and intelectiol inputs! If only everyone would "practice what they preach" then this may be a dating site, not a debating site? laugh Meaning "a lot more (connections) and a lot less (rejections) here? Yes we have all been a Fool in life, But do we all need to be a Fool through life? Who Knows unless you try? But i guess i'm the only one that thinks that way anymore!!flowerforyou

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Thu 05/22/14 03:59 AM

I've just learned to develop a thicker skin about it and trolls just don't really bother me anymore.

It is just people on the internet trying to get a reaction out of you, or just being annoying and they can only do that if you let them.

In a way it's like therapy or an anger management thing. There's not really anything that anybody on here can say to or about me that would really bother me anymore.


I too have developed my senses, reflexes and neutral defenses by my experiences online. But like I said, I'm here looking to connect with like minds on a dating site. I didn't come here thinking I was going to be unwittingly drawn into an anger management group therapy type thingy. :wink:


On the gaming site forum that I was on I was sent to the flame forum to do my posting because I was pissing off a lot of people by keeping criticising how a lot of other players were playing the game.

The rules are different in the flame forum and you can say pretty much anything that you like about anybody as long as you don't use personal information that they didn't bring into the ring themselves.

I actually give them personal information about myself out of choice and I don't have to do that and I could be a cowardly troll that flames other people but doesn't divulge things about myself like they are but that just makes them into shadowy non entities really and that's how I look at them.

It's called flamebaiting when people post things that are going to draw personal attacks.

If you do it on here you get the personal criticism and that maybe makes you think about yourself and your problems and you can become less sensitive about it.

It's not being able to take personal criticism that stops a lot of people from getting over their problems and holding onto anger and resentment.

Once you stop just blaming other people you can start to take a good look at yourself and really own up to your faults.

That's how I look at it.


This explanation is blowing me away.

If this is indeed how the games are played, or the fun is had on the boards... why is a dating site used in this manner?

Whose business is it of others to nit pick and criticize any other member for their personal views or beliefs on a dating site?

Even if people think they are trying to be of some psychological or social benefit to someone, if all they ever do is mock, poke fun and criticize how are they really being helpful?

Or are they merely justifying their bully and alienating divisive tactics with self denial excuses?

Isn't positive feedback ever an option? Or is the role of the group to completely tear a person down so they can remake them in their own image the only acceptable format?

If this is indeed the case, then we really don't know what kind of people we are meeting online who may have an agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with dating and making new friends.

To me this would be a more bait and switch type thing.

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Thu 05/22/14 04:30 AM


I've just learned to develop a thicker skin about it and trolls just don't really bother me anymore.

It is just people on the internet trying to get a reaction out of you, or just being annoying and they can only do that if you let them.

In a way it's like therapy or an anger management thing. There's not really anything that anybody on here can say to or about me that would really bother me anymore.


I too have developed my senses, reflexes and neutral defenses by my experiences online. But like I said, I'm here looking to connect with like minds on a dating site. I didn't come here thinking I was going to be unwittingly drawn into an anger management group therapy type thingy. :wink:


On the gaming site forum that I was on I was sent to the flame forum to do my posting because I was pissing off a lot of people by keeping criticising how a lot of other players were playing the game.

The rules are different in the flame forum and you can say pretty much anything that you like about anybody as long as you don't use personal information that they didn't bring into the ring themselves.

I actually give them personal information about myself out of choice and I don't have to do that and I could be a cowardly troll that flames other people but doesn't divulge things about myself like they are but that just makes them into shadowy non entities really and that's how I look at them.

It's called flamebaiting when people post things that are going to draw personal attacks.

If you do it on here you get the personal criticism and that maybe makes you think about yourself and your problems and you can become less sensitive about it.

It's not being able to take personal criticism that stops a lot of people from getting over their problems and holding onto anger and resentment.

Once you stop just blaming other people you can start to take a good look at yourself and really own up to your faults.

That's how I look at it.


This explanation is blowing me away.

If this is indeed how the games are played, or the fun is had on the boards... why is a dating site used in this manner?

Whose business is it of others to nit pick and criticize any other member for their personal views or beliefs on a dating site?

Even if people think they are trying to be of some psychological or social benefit to someone, if all they ever do is mock, poke fun and criticize how are they really being helpful?

Or are they merely justifying their bully and alienating divisive tactics with self denial excuses?

Isn't positive feedback ever an option? Or is the role of the group to completely tear a person down so they can remake them in their own image the only acceptable format?

If this is indeed the case, then we really don't know what kind of people we are meeting online who may have an agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with dating and making new friends.

To me this would be a more bait and switch type thing.
flowerforyou Good Morning (Beautiful)! Nobody needs a Thick Skin on here or anywhere else! Life is tough enough without this!! I'm not creating another shell to crawl into and neither should you!! Friends First:smile: ******** Begone!!devil Real Men and Women won't prevolk an argument anyhow just to make themselves look Good!!devil :tongue:

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Thu 05/22/14 04:32 AM





You don't know people anymore online than you do in real life, you just convince yourself you do.

People tell you what you want to hear in a lot of cases, it is only natural, they want to create bonds and ties to someone...Something tangible. In real life they do this boldly to your face and without the time that is allowed on the internet for learning their mannerisms and behavior; naturally, you are left at a great disadvantage. So, truth be told; you don't know that the people you talk to face to face are telling you the truth anymore than someone online.

You're just assuming the worst in either case, or assuming the worst of one in favor of the other for reasons all your own but they are both relatively equal.


I don't judge people that easily or quickly either online or face to face. First I take some time to become familiar enough to know whether we identify with life's basic issues and each other enough to where furthering a friendship is worth the effort it takes to create the space for each other in our lives.

As for you thinking that I assume the worst in or about anything is rather startling when you and I have never communicated enough to really get to know each other on or offline.

So in this generalization I think your comment is unfair.

As for people telling me what I want to hear I think this statement is equally as ridiculous because it has no genuine foundation to base your position on as I assume you aren't privy to all my many conversations either online or face to face. So how could you ascertain this without any certainty?

Not to mention the fact that I'm a senior citizen who has been around the world long enough to know my own mind and the games people play. It doesn't take rocket science to see through scammers, players, liars, or cheats, it only takes a little time and a few in depth conversations to determine the trajectory of their goals and game.

In choosing who I want to get close too I've always let people prove themselves to me first. Faults and all. None of us are perfect and in fact it is our flaws that can make us more interesting and endearing, so I don't push people away or ignore them just based on their shortcomings or limitations.

It has always been about how the other treats me personally. If they respect me and show me than I respect them equally. If they don't respect me than there's no need to even try to connect because the natural attraction or infatuation isn't there for me. And it doesn't take long for me to determine this factor at all.

Someone can claim undying love for me and never fail to make me feel this way in private. But if as soon as they get me in front of their family and/or friends they show me the slightest bit of disrespect because their circle might not think I measure up to their standards, then it's over. And I don't fight to save a relationship that isn't based on a genuine connection from deep inside.

If someone claims love and they don't show it in front of others, then to me they are simply posers. And I'm not. I either like you or I don't. And if I do I stand up for you with all I've got, even if it costs me personally. That's just how much I devote myself to those I care for. And if they don't have the same or similar feelings and abilities for me, it's a waste of my time and energy to endure a one-sided relationship.

We are all different. Some people will tolerate anything to feel or be wanted. Some us of have earned the ability to draw lines we don't want or have to cross.

It's really just that simple to me.


Well, I'm glad you are open to differing opinions.

Have at it, tah.


Welcoming, even allowing myself to be converted by differences in opinions is what has helped me to see and understand the world in ways I never could have with a closed mind.

I don't have a problem with being wrong. Because I love to learn new things to keep my mind and feelings fresh and alive. Even if they sting initially from being called out.

If I was always right I could never experience the need to open myself up to grow. And there's nothing I dislike more in life than intellectual boredom.




Yet you are right and I am wrong. The irony is fitting, at least.

My comment wasn't directed at you, it was towards the topic you started, you taking offense to it and approaching it with such a personal touch shows me that there is no real discussion to be had in this topic.

Your way or the highway...Not my digs, peace.


None of us are ever really all right or all wrong. If we're like most normal people we are a little of both quite often even throughout the course of a single day.

It's when we turn our positions into issues we want too or try to force others to accept or we punish them in some way for defying what we personally believe is when I take exception.

As for your comments in this post not being directed at me... well... as the OP I assumed you were talking directly to me... and as you repeatedly made it appear like it was me that you were referring too, then I answered as any normal person would under these same circumstances.

So now that you have explained that you were speaking generically, quite naturally I could revise my view as well, if I felt the need to defend myself to this bit of trivia you have now raised in your second post following your original proffering.

I also don't believe that I presented an ultimatum... my way or the highway either... but if these are not your digs I would completely understand why you wouldn't want to continue posting on this thread.

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Thu 05/22/14 04:37 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Thu 05/22/14 04:40 AM

:smile: Very good Topic and intelectiol inputs! If only everyone would "practice what they preach" then this may be a dating site, not a debating site? laugh Meaning "a lot more (connections) and a lot less (rejections) here? Yes we have all been a Fool in life, But do we all need to be a Fool through life? Who Knows unless you try? But i guess i'm the only one that thinks that way anymore!!flowerforyou


I don't know about you wolf, but intellectual foreplay has always been my thing. There's nothing more stimulating then the gives and takes... both the top and the bottom positions are each as equally satisfying to me. :wink:

And yes, you can spin my response to your position anyway you like... laugh

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Thu 05/22/14 04:57 AM



I've just learned to develop a thicker skin about it and trolls just don't really bother me anymore.

It is just people on the internet trying to get a reaction out of you, or just being annoying and they can only do that if you let them.

In a way it's like therapy or an anger management thing. There's not really anything that anybody on here can say to or about me that would really bother me anymore.


I too have developed my senses, reflexes and neutral defenses by my experiences online. But like I said, I'm here looking to connect with like minds on a dating site. I didn't come here thinking I was going to be unwittingly drawn into an anger management group therapy type thingy. :wink:


On the gaming site forum that I was on I was sent to the flame forum to do my posting because I was pissing off a lot of people by keeping criticising how a lot of other players were playing the game.

The rules are different in the flame forum and you can say pretty much anything that you like about anybody as long as you don't use personal information that they didn't bring into the ring themselves.

I actually give them personal information about myself out of choice and I don't have to do that and I could be a cowardly troll that flames other people but doesn't divulge things about myself like they are but that just makes them into shadowy non entities really and that's how I look at them.

It's called flamebaiting when people post things that are going to draw personal attacks.

If you do it on here you get the personal criticism and that maybe makes you think about yourself and your problems and you can become less sensitive about it.

It's not being able to take personal criticism that stops a lot of people from getting over their problems and holding onto anger and resentment.

Once you stop just blaming other people you can start to take a good look at yourself and really own up to your faults.

That's how I look at it.


This explanation is blowing me away.

If this is indeed how the games are played, or the fun is had on the boards... why is a dating site used in this manner?

Whose business is it of others to nit pick and criticize any other member for their personal views or beliefs on a dating site?

Even if people think they are trying to be of some psychological or social benefit to someone, if all they ever do is mock, poke fun and criticize how are they really being helpful?

Or are they merely justifying their bully and alienating divisive tactics with self denial excuses?

Isn't positive feedback ever an option? Or is the role of the group to completely tear a person down so they can remake them in their own image the only acceptable format?

If this is indeed the case, then we really don't know what kind of people we are meeting online who may have an agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with dating and making new friends.

To me this would be a more bait and switch type thing.
flowerforyou Good Morning (Beautiful)! Nobody needs a Thick Skin on here or anywhere else!

Life is tough enough without this!! I'm not creating another shell to crawl into and neither should you!!

Friends First:smile: ******** Begone!!devil

Real Men and Women won't prevolk an argument anyhow just to make themselves look Good!!devil :tongue:


I'm not sure you are talking to me now wolf, because the other women posters on this thread are much more appealing. IMO. But as the OP I'll respond by saying, I agree. Our lives offline can be filled with their own set of dramas that we may come online to escape sometimes. And it doesn't make sense that we would create another battle zone where we're trying to have a good time, each in our own way.

flowerforyou

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Thu 05/22/14 05:09 AM


My questions then becomes...

From sociopaths and psychopaths to sycophants and autocrats... from introverts and extroverts to narcissists and trolling perverts... from the cream of the crop at the ivy league top to the very bottom of the socially acceptable pile of poor taste and lack of style...

How do we really know what kind of people we are dealing with while interacting online with others we spend time with becoming acquaintances and friends?

And in the grand scheme of developing relationships does personality types matter as much as appearance and substance does?



Based on my personal experience "interacting online with others", I don't see how you or anyone would be able to know (identify) sociopaths and/or psychopaths, so lets rule that chit out right now...Introverts and extroverts are harmless and the extroverts are often the life of the party, so no problems there either...."Cream of the crop ivy league to the bottom of the socially acceptable pile" what !!!what that sounds extremely judgmental to me Athena, so that chit needs to go too!.....What are we left with?...Narcissists and trolls.....In a previous thread started by you, we covered internet trolls...Every site has them and they are easy to identify, easier to avoid...Because this site has moderators that actually moderate and savvy forum participants, trolls are a minor problem, therefore, I think it's safe to rule them out too:wink: ....THAT LEAVES THE NARCISSISTS...Perhaps it's time to identify those pesky posters Athena?.....

Narcissistic personality disorder, or NPD, is a personality disorder in which a person is excessively preoccupied with personal adequacy, power, prestige, and vanity and is unable to see the destructive damage they are causing to themselves and to others in the process...It is estimated that this condition affects one percent (1%) of the population...First formulated in 1968, NPD was historically called megalomania and is a form of severe egocentrism...

Symptoms include the following...

1. Expects to be recognized as superior and special, without having superior accomplishments...

2. Expects constant attention, admiration, and positive reinforcement from others...

3. Envies others and believe others envy him/her...

4. Is preoccupied with thoughts and fantasies of great success, enormous attractiveness, power, intelligence...

5. Lacks the ability to empathize with the feelings or desires of others...

6. Is arrogant in attitudes and behavior...

7. Has expectations of special treatment that are unrealistic...

Athena, does this sounds like anyone you know or are referring to in so many of your recent opening posts?...Remember your own words, "We don't always see ourselves the way others see us."....flowerforyou