Then doesn't matter anyway, that would all be moot. Everyone of those books are from old testament, so they would not effect Christians. As Christianity and or the existence of "Christians" did not come about till after Jesus walked this Earth in the flesh, eg., New Testament. All old testament laws are fulfilled, completed. That covenant has been finished, and we are given a new covenant signed in Jesus' blood.

Such theology sounds similar to Marcion's, who was of course excommunicated and banished.


Study of the Jewish Scriptures, along with received writings circulating in the nascent Church, led Marcion to conclude that many of the teachings of Jesus were incompatible with the actions of the God of the Old Testament, Yahweh. Marcion responded by developing a dualist system of belief around the year 144.[6] This dual-god notion allowed Marcion to reconcile contradictions between Old Covenant theology and the Gospel message proclaimed by Jesus.

Marcion affirmed Jesus to be the saviour sent by the Heavenly Father, and Paul as his chief apostle. In contrast to the nascent Christian church, Marcion declared that Christianity was in complete discontinuity with Judaism and entirely opposed to the Old Testament message. Marcion did not claim that the Jewish Scriptures were false. Instead, Marcion asserted that they were to be read in an absolutely literal manner, thereby developing an understanding that YHWH was not the same god spoken of by Jesus. For example, Marcion argued that the Genesis account of YHWH walking through the Garden of Eden asking where Adam was proved YHWH inhabited a physical body and was without universal knowledge (omniscience), attributes wholly incompatible with the Heavenly Father professed by Jesus.

According to Marcion, the god of the Old Testament, whom he called the Demiurge, the creator of the material universe, is a jealous tribal deity of the Jews, whose law represents legalistic reciprocal justice and who punishes mankind for its sins through suffering and death. Contrastingly, the god that Jesus professed is an altogether different being, a universal god of compassion and love who looks upon humanity with benevolence and mercy. Marcion also produced his Antitheses contrasting the Demiurge of the Old Testament with the Heavenly Father of the New Testament.

Marcion held Jesus to be the son of the Heavenly Father but understood the incarnation in a docetic manner, i.e. that Jesus' body was only an imitation of a material body, and consequently denied Jesus' physical and bodily birth, death, and resurrection (e.g., he accepted Luke's Gospel yet eliminated portions such as the birth narrative) and thereby denied the historic Christian Gospel (1 Cor 15:3-4).

Marcion was the first to introduce an early Christian canon. His canon consisted of still only eleven books grouped into two sections: the Evangelikon, being a shorter and earlier version of the gospel which later became known as the Gospel of Luke,[7] and the Apostolikon, a selection of ten epistles of Paul the Apostle, whom Marcion considered the correct interpreter and transmitter of Jesus' teachings. The gospel used by Marcion does not contain elements relating to Jesus' birth and childhood, although it does contain some elements of Judaism, and material challenging Marcion's dualism.

Study of the Jewish Scriptures, along with received writings circulating in the nascent Church, led Marcion to conclude that many of the teachings of Jesus were incompatible with the actions of the God of the Old Testament, Yahweh. Marcion responded by developing a dualist system of belief around the year 144.[6] This dual-god notion allowed Marcion to reconcile contradictions between Old Covenant theology and the Gospel message proclaimed by Jesus.

According to Marcion, the god of the Old Testament, whom he called the Demiurge, the creator of the material universe, is a jealous tribal deity of the Jews, whose law represents legalistic reciprocal justice and who punishes mankind for its sins through suffering and death. Contrastingly, the god that Jesus professed is an altogether different being, a universal god of compassion and love who looks upon humanity with benevolence and mercy. Marcion also produced his Antitheses contrasting the Demiurge of the Old Testament with the Heavenly Father of the New Testament.

A major function of fundamentalist religion is to bolster deeply insecure and fearful people. This is done by justifying a way of life with all of its defining prejudices. It thereby provides an appropriate and legitimate outlet for one's anger. The authority of an inerrant Bible that can be readily quoted to buttress this point of view becomes an essential ingredient to such a life. When that Bible is challenged, or relativized, the resulting anger proves the point categorically. [Bishop John Shelby Spong, Rescuing the Bible From Fundamentalism, (San Fransisco: Harper Collins, 1991), p. 5.]

A major function of fundamentalist religion is to bolster deeply insecure and fearful people. This is done by justifying a way of life with all of its defining prejudices. It thereby provides an appropriate and legitimate outlet for one's anger. The authority of an inerrant Bible that can be readily quoted to buttress this point of view becomes an essential ingredient to such a life. When that Bible is challenged, or relativized, the resulting anger proves the point categorically. [Bishop John Shelby Spong, Rescuing the Bible From Fundamentalism, (San Fransisco: Harper Collins, 1991), p. 5.]

NOT, ANGER, BUT RATHER , if we applly further resaecth, reflection and a good portion of common sense, we see that there is more than enough evidence out there, IF we do our own research, and dont just read other peoples work, which is not research, it is reading. There is enough evidence to diprove evolution, for example, , that one could prove that position in court. Yet they believe, they revise,and when the fossil record doesent agree with thier presumptions, they make a forgery and present it as gospel. i ask you this. where are the thousand, or millions ff lucy skeletons? where are the intermediat steps? there are one of each example. nor thousands like should exist. There is in fact A LOT less EVIDENCE NOW THAT SUPPORTS EVOLUTION, than there was in darwins day.

if the OT is no good then why don't we just Burn it so no one ever sees it? seems this would get rid of a lot of confusion. this would end all tithing to the church. Good right?

If a belief creates the impetus in any individual to be more kind to other living creatures and the earth, I don't care what it is - do that thing.

By the way, I have no faith or religion, and I agree with Anton LaVey's rules for Satanism.

Just saying.

so we are not bound by old testament laws? cool! now i can murder, rape, steal , take my neighbors wife, ect because all those laws ar old testament..? jesus was quite specific about this, and so is pauls writings that we are not under grace, as all these ch\urches out there believe, but rather the law is permament. Gods law camnnot change, mans laws change every day so we tend to think in terms of revisions , ect, but that doesent work with biblical law. it never changes. what was wrong 2000 years ago is still wrong. by the way which one of the ten commandments offends these people? I dont see anything there except good advise for clean living. i THINK IT IS THE MORAL ISSUE: if we can rationalise that the bible isnt true, then one is free to live an immoral life without any problems. if however we believe the bible. which is essentially a law book, is true, and the word of God, then we are constained to to what is right, instead of what we WANT to do.

jesus was quite specific about this, and so is pauls writings that we are not under grace

Gods law camnnot change, mans laws change every day so we tend to think in terms of revisions , ect, but that doesent work with biblical law.

the way which one of the ten commandments offends these people? I dont see anything there except good advise for clean living.

if however we believe the bible. which is essentially a law book, is true, and the word of God, then we are constained to to what is right, instead of what we WANT to do.

if you care, i can tell you that you are confusing religion with the bible. they are in facr incompatible with each other. Please refreain from quoting what someones doctrine is and saying, or implying that it is what the bible says. these "religious: types out there in fact are way more confused than you and i are.
p.s., have you seen the pics of the dinasaur tracks with human footprints inside of them? not talking about "piltdown man footprinte here, or some such so called pre human, but a perfectly preserved homo sapien foot prints.

Whether or not it is "intellectually immoral" to believe in God depends upon how God is defined for the individual.

It amazes me how people are willing to deceive themselves like that. Because my conscience won't have it.