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| Topic: It's intellectually immoral to believe in god. | |
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self superiority as pride doth seem in all cases to proceed a fall from the self pedestal of self as all wise and all knowing... which it seems, self as the total sum of the total maximum intelligence of all intelligence combined of what does and can exist, would be completely a speculation, as proof for or against does not exist... so the obvious bias is totally apparent as to what one wish and want to be the case... such would indeed be quite an exorbitant amount of grandiose belief in the sum of only the total self intelligence... for only the small mind can and has decided and adopted it self as "all knowing"... as it self as a god... declaring it self be the total ultimate all knower of all that is and does exist, which of course, such could only ever be based upon the most of what it self is and knows... but blindly believing the most most self know, or has seen, be the total sum of all existence... hasty and arrogant and even blind self dazzling it self such seems... so it seems, these deem them self as gods, or as all knowing, but then at the same time, declare there be no god, and so nothing that exist as greater than them self. the self grandiose oft do struggle believing anything exist greater than it self, so oft do struggle to find few others of the same species of humans as equal in validity and merit and value, and so erode the value of belief in equality of all, hence never see ANYTHING as equal in greatness as them self... Believing in a God does not make someone less grandiose if you think your beliefs are more correct than other people's beliefs. It seems that someone who believes in a creator of all is the same as someone having a self important and arrogant personality, because for example..who are you to believe that a God created me when that is not what I believe about myself or the universe...perhaps a God did create you, but not me. How I came to be is not for you to say since it is only your unfounded beliefs that are evidence for this claim and they are equal to anyone else's unfounded beliefs. Who is to say if the true God is a Christian or Islamic and who would be right? How can it be arrogant to abstain from unfounded beliefs and base one's understanding of existance on a more humanly tangible level using a scientific method? I think it is less arrogant to believe that I cannot know more than what I can know, because to believe anything else I would be getting in over my head and beyond my human capabilities. In the end who is arrogant? Someone who has unfounded beliefs in a creator of all, or someone who knows he/she doesn't know? |
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arrogance is displayed when one feels a desire to put down others for having a different 'belief' about what is unknown,,,
whether that someone is a Christian questioning the morality of a non Christian, or an atheist questioning the intelligence or 'intellectual morality' of a Christian,,, |
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in many ways, i mean the same things as you have stated...
perhaps i could have said it better... it is self grandiose, self superior, to tell another what they should believe in, in the first place. was my point... i am for the believer in god, and for the unbeliever in god, and for that which draws no conclusion either way... how could i DICTATE acceptable belief to another, without making my self as the very definition of a deity, or god, and deem my powers of intellect to be superior, hence seeking to make all others believe the same, hence seeking to take POWER OVER an equal human entity, by limiting their free choice, by controlling what another could, would or should believe... the grandiose of self, being then to first deem what be acceptable that another should believe... the essence of a free world, is that none are as the superior being, but rather all as equal, none telling others what they should believe... to tell another what they should believe is as telling them what they should eat, and wear, and where they should work, and what collage to attend, and who to date, and so on and so on... in a free society, each gets to decide for them self what they hold of value for them self in belief and in actions... that was the essence of what i was trying to describe... if we don't have this, than we have not a free society, but rather each human exerting the will to control each other, soon all trying to be the dictator of how the entire rest of the world should think and then so act, based upon what one person, IT SELF, believe... but if we had this, we would be following N Korea's example... and this kind of world, does not have the ability to create the common happiness and freedom of all, and already exists way too much here in the states. the will exert control over the belief's of other's seems profitable to any belief that seeks to do so, until it is later recognized, this makes all other beliefs try to exterminate each other, hence war and genocide are inevitable then soon for all, no matter what belief's they have. |
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Edited by
LearnBeyondBelief
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Sun 10/26/14 06:47 PM
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I've even had agnostics and atheists request I pray for them...I wonder why? Could it be because there came a time when they needed more than what science could provide the answers to? I, also, have experienced absolute miracles in my life and in the lives of friends and acquaintances, when science said lives could not be saved definitively, yet because of prayer, they were. I am a good example of that type of miracle and so is my daughter. By the way, I have faith and yet I am an intellectual who has spent many years doing research into religious beliefs and historical data in ancient scripts, so I'm not "a pew-sitter". I also have a moral and ethical code I live by as well as values. They are values I have chosen for myself without having religion dictate what they should be, though some of my values may be found in various religious beliefs. Its not intellectual to look at the stunningly beautiful magnificence of the universe and conclude a petty bully interested in suppressing sex and love has anything to do with it. He doesnt suppress love? Interesting, I never thought calling children who want to grow up and find love an abomination was a good way to promote love You cant cherry pick, either all the bible is the word of god or none of it is :) |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 10/26/14 08:01 PM
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how does requiring being 'fruitful' mesh with 'suppressing sex and love'?
love and sex are not the same action,,, I cant number how many people I have loved, but I can those I have had 'sex' with it is sad that so many are unable to see the two things seperately,,,, people write books all the time,, and not every thing in the book reflects their values or quotes them why should God be different? there is a book of biblical history and of great significance, but it doesnt mean EVERY PART of the book is Gods command or values,,,, although it would be easier and less debatable if he had just had people write down SPECIFICALLY his words about right and wrong, instead of having them write about the choices that people Mof significance made throughout a period of time when people were more directly communicating with God,,, |
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even in science we have no difinitive proof in some cases, so we have faith in science and proceed with our understandings based on theories or the like. Isnt that how we are willing to deceive ourselves in the name of future discovery? future proof? How is that different from various religious faiths? Shame on you. Belittling the greatest advancement in the history of mankind, science, and comparing it to the single worst invention in the history of mankind, religion. Youre right I have faiht the sun is 93 million miles away fromt he earth, I also understand it and would understand it without faith. I wouldnt however understand it without science :) NAME ONE GOOD DEED OR ACTION A RELIGIOUS PERSON CAN DO THAT A NON RELIGIOUS PERSON CANT DO, NOTHING!!. Now name one thing a scientist can do that a non scientist cant, PLENTY. Exactly, my point. If all it took to understand the universe was some bronze age literature, we wouldnt need scientists :). |
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arrogance is displayed when one feels a desire to put down others for having a different 'belief' about what is unknown,,, whether that someone is a Christian questioning the morality of a non Christian, or an atheist questioning the intelligence or 'intellectual morality' of a Christian,,, The height of arrogance is claiming to know with certainty that the planet was created by an admittedly jealous and sexist sky daddy Would you date anyone who said women should not teach or hold authority over men? 1 timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. Do you date sexists or just worship them if they flood planets? People are eqwual not ideas. If you dont like your ideas mocked, and you waqnt res[pect for your idea, get some respectable ideas! christian ideas are nothing but watered down islam ideas! |
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how does requiring being 'fruitful' mesh with 'suppressing sex and love'? love and sex are not the same action,,, I cant number how many people I have loved, but I can those I have had 'sex' with it is sad that so many are unable to see the two things seperately,,,, people write books all the time,, and not every thing in the book reflects their values or quotes them why should God be different? there is a book of biblical history and of great significance, but it doesnt mean EVERY PART of the book is Gods command or values,,,, although it would be easier and less debatable if he had just had people write down SPECIFICALLY his words about right and wrong, instead of having them write about the choices that people Mof significance made throughout a period of time when people were more directly communicating with God,,, Calling certain love an abomination is suppressing it. quit defending the psychotic character in the bible, the Stockholm Syndrome is strong in you the way you defend your imaginary mental captor with his trigger happy flood finger :) |
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how does requiring being 'fruitful' mesh with 'suppressing sex and love'? love and sex are not the same action,,, I cant number how many people I have loved, but I can those I have had 'sex' with it is sad that so many are unable to see the two things seperately,,,, people write books all the time,, and not every thing in the book reflects their values or quotes them why should God be different? there is a book of biblical history and of great significance, but it doesnt mean EVERY PART of the book is Gods command or values,,,, although it would be easier and less debatable if he had just had people write down SPECIFICALLY his words about right and wrong, instead of having them write about the choices that people Mof significance made throughout a period of time when people were more directly communicating with God,,, Contrary to popular belief, god is not a deity, nor made of any supernatural compounds. god is a parasite of thought, a neurological disorder, one that hatches from depressed and narcissistic indoctrinators dating back to millenniums of ignorance ago. A product of our imagination that has manifested itself into the thought-virus called faith. god is a man made disease. Of all mans destructive creations, the most dangerous ever constructed, was that in which we programmed into our own minds. The same mind in which we have committed the most atrocious actions against each other in its name. |
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It would seem intellectually immoral not to discard any belief that does not create a better world for all who live alive here on earth, which could only be based in through equality of all, allowing all and each the free will and choice of self behavior, and most discarding beliefs that pit peoples against one another, creating war and strife, as of course, how could these beliefs be shown to be CREATING a equally loving space and environment for all peoples equally on earth.
For there be only one law of equal and true caring of all as equal entities of equally valuable life. All actions are acceptable by an advanced civilization of humankind, except for any action not of mutual consent, which then steals the equal free will of another, for even pain to another in equal free will society be permissible, if it was specifically stated and accepted with consent in advance and wished by that other. In this platform of global behavior management, even murder is permissible, if all parties involved have filed all mutual "consent forms" with what be only behavior management elected representatives who exist only but to witness mutual consent transactions of any human behavior that has been deemed by a global management body as to inflict pain or suffering upon another human being and so must WANTED and agreed upon by all involved and so make such permissible. In a truly free world, if one likes to suffer and receive pain, deriving personal satisfactions from it, it doesn't matter, as long as there is mutual consent. That is what they want. and their be no need nor reason nor justification that be required to give. Nor any approval, except oversight of mutual agreements filed electronically even easier than a cell phone call. by dna code reading systems and emotional status reading systems of all parties filing "mutual consent forms". for true equal in a truly equal world without "intellectually immoral self superiority of self want as better", others choice of WANT, must be deemed equal by law, the only law that exist. hence regarding it as equally valuable and permissible as covered by equal laws as to what one self WANTS, and only any not willfully trying to keep mutual consent from occurring, are removed from society and detained, but only until they mutually agree to not try to prevent or control mutual consent... after three infraction of attempt to control others mutual free will and mutual consent, they are tagged as wild primitive life, and detection of any negative emotion and intent to take free will of others, first a pulse or warning shock... 3 shocks total, each the greater... a merciful system of peace of all. after 3 shocks total, human physical disablement, and these are picked up by peacekeepers. who need not nor have any weapons to inflict pain or force with. no different than what one chooses it self wants to eat, is each it's own choice, for should thin declare heavier as not of equal free will and choice, so less permissible by some law? these emotions of such, are easily now managed through advanced nearo systems, and as such, it would be intellectually immoral not to embrace them for all equally, to begin to create an equal world finally truly equal. should heterosexuals deem same sex mutual agreements as not equally free will of choice as one's own? if they do seek aggressive "emotion" against, warning shock. for it only that which has the FIRST "aggressive emotion" detected, lasting longer or validated longer than the warning chirps, that will be the minority in very short time. In this world prostitution is free will, and permissible, as it is based on mutual consent of all adult parties. In this free world, abortion is totally permissible as it is the FREE WILL CHOICE of the body that has another body being created within it self as to what to do with it before it has breathed breath as we all clinically dead when they stop breathing, even though there still be a body present. In this free world, intellectually immoral will be trying to exert control over and control what others parties equally mutually agree to as wanted. Than the world could indeed as one experience true quality of life based in equality of and for all mutual consent wants equally. |
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damn!
that was very poorly executed into writtin form! oopsie! |
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We are all different but most people need something to hold on to, so how can you say holding on to god is immoral?
few people hold on to alcohol, few hold on to drugs, some hold to science, some hold on to god. We all need something worth (in our eyes) to hold on to. |
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It amazes me how people are willing to deceive themselves like that. Because my conscience won't have it. Just chiming in... There is a difference between Religion and God. Most interpretations of God come from Religion. Religion is Man dictating the concepts of morality. God is a solution to the mystery of reality. I like the quote by Carl Sagan - We are the Universe trying to figure itself out. To Me (I dont expect anyone to agree) God is the Universe. GOD Was first and will be the last, Created Everything, Is in everything, Is all powerful and Is All Knowing YUP! The UNIVERSE Is the first thing and will be the last When it came to be, everything that could be created is or was created Everything ever created is part of the universe The laws governing the Universe is absolute Every reality, imagination and belief is the Universe trying to understand itself. YUP! You, Me and every other living thing in existence is part of the Universe. Not a separate part but the Universe itself. From the smallest quantum particle to the largest super-cluster of galaxies its all part of the Universe. Everything that happens, is thought or believed is the Universe doing so. When someone believes there are ghosts, the Universe is believing there are ghosts. Our Dreams are the Universe dreaming. Our Songs are the Universe singing. Our Fears are the Universe fearing. Everything everywhere is the Universe experiencing existence. Our common delusion is that we are separate from the Universe. We are somehow not "in" it. Our minds refuse to acknowledge this one simple common fact. The Universe is continuing to expand. It is expanding not only in occupied space and matter it is expanding in belief and learning. It is aware of itself because We are aware of it. Everytime one of us has an idea, a belief or imagine something, the Universe expands to encompass it. The Universe is not just a physical conglomeration of matter, it extends into the concept of the paranormal, psychic and religious beliefs. Mankind believes the Universe to be about 14 billion years old. We may be wrong but given the evidence so deduced and discovered I think its pretty accurate. It's also believed by observation that it is still growing. It is expanding in all directions at once filling the void that is not Universe. One of those voids is the imagination. There are things that the Universe can not do. It can not go outside itself. Let me explain. If you try to imagine yourself outside of the Universe. Being part of the Universe the Universe has tried to imagine itself outside of itself. By doing so, the Universe has created an area beyond itself and has therefore expanded to create it. Is the Universe alive? Well, yes, It is. Life is within the Universe so the Universe is alive. Is Death the end of the Universe? NO. When something dies, wheter it be a particle, a star, a plant or you, The energy is redirected back into the Universe. The essence of your being is reunited with the essence of the Universe. I watched a segment of The Universe on TV that explained a theory that everything that can be imagined will happen eventually over the life of the Universe. From werewolves to space invaders. It may be billions of years in the future or billions of years in the past. I'm not attempting to persuade anyone of a belief system. I'm not saying any specific religion or thoughts are wrong. This is my own attempt to make sense of God and Science. Unlike so many people, I can see the connection. I'm just trying to share what I see. One of the problems with Religions is that they are written by other men using concepts and methods to control people. Religion tries to make reality personal and reality is NOT personal. It has some roots of truth - God is in all of us - God created everything - and so on but it fails to tell you that God (The Universe) is not concerned with the tiny spark of life that makes you. God did not DO anything special for you. The Universe is vast. Religion would have you believe that God is human in nature. Religion would rather persecute you for ideas like mine than be open to any possibilities outside its own doctrine. This is stagnation and oppression. It is not the concept of GOD that is a deception - It is the concept of Religion. There is a GOD (The Universe). :) |
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 ditto's to all... and but god forbid a poor mortal dear soul adopt belief's as from god any belief that steal from the inherent equal value of one's own fellow man. 
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First of all, you need to know who or what is god for you to know your own god. 'Let us make man in our own image'GEN 1 vs 26. There are many gods, basically two almighties one represents the forces of darkness and the other the forces of good. So it depends on which side you are on. Sometimes It even has nothing to do with religion. Some people are born evil, some become evil. Sadly, the world is under siege and rule from forces of darkness and they control almost everything. But that rule is about to come to an end. That is why it suddenly begining to feel like we are at the end time. For The Almighty God which represents the forces of good has risen to deliver mankind finally , Alleluya!!!
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The height of arrogance is claiming to know with certainty that the planet was created by an admittedly jealous and sexist sky daddy conversely would it not also be 'the height of arrogance' to claim to know with certainty that it wasn't? all we know is what we experience, the rest we take at some level of faith in those who are teaching or repeating its teaching,,, but the truth will be the truth, whether we believe it to be or not,,, I may know my dad is named Joe,,, because as humans we have something we call 'knowing' that is just a declaration of how certain we 'feel',,,, but he really may have been named BOB,, and if he was ,, what I 'knew' would be wrong but if he was Joe,, than what I 'knew' was the truth we don't know whether what we 'know' is truth or not,, but we have to function from some foundation of 'assumption' that it is,,, |
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arrogance is displayed when one feels a desire to put down others for having a different 'belief' about what is unknown,,, whether that someone is a Christian questioning the morality of a non Christian, or an atheist questioning the intelligence or 'intellectual morality' of a Christian,,, The height of arrogance is claiming to know with certainty that the planet was created by an admittedly jealous and sexist sky daddy Would you date anyone who said women should not teach or hold authority over men? 1 timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. Do you date sexists or just worship them if they flood planets? People are eqwual not ideas. If you dont like your ideas mocked, and you waqnt res[pect for your idea, get some respectable ideas! christian ideas are nothing but watered down islam ideas! timothy answered specific questions about a specific situation(discourse IN THE CHURCH) amongst specific people its not uncommon for nonbelievers to use such verses out of context , I don't require people who choose to distort and belittle my ideas somehow find a way to 'respect' them its never going to be my expectation nor is it ever going to dissuade me from maintaining my beliefs,,, |
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how does requiring being 'fruitful' mesh with 'suppressing sex and love'? love and sex are not the same action,,, I cant number how many people I have loved, but I can those I have had 'sex' with it is sad that so many are unable to see the two things seperately,,,, people write books all the time,, and not every thing in the book reflects their values or quotes them why should God be different? there is a book of biblical history and of great significance, but it doesnt mean EVERY PART of the book is Gods command or values,,,, although it would be easier and less debatable if he had just had people write down SPECIFICALLY his words about right and wrong, instead of having them write about the choices that people Mof significance made throughout a period of time when people were more directly communicating with God,,, Calling certain love an abomination is suppressing it. quit defending the psychotic character in the bible, the Stockholm Syndrome is strong in you the way you defend your imaginary mental captor with his trigger happy flood finger :) I haven't called any 'love' an abomination I have called certain ACTIONS abominable you know, society generally believes that pedophilia is abominable, regardless how much the parties claim to feel 'love' for each other and generally(for now) they would find incest abominable, despite how much those parties claim to 'love' each other,,, there is no syndrome, there is a general faith in something because it pans out and makes sense from my own observations and perception,,,,,, and keeps me from having an incessant need to try to prove some 'superior' mind to someone else,,,, |
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