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Topic: Male vs Female
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 06/03/15 10:54 AM
MAKE LOVE NOT WAR! and if not,, make love DURING WAR,, at least die happy,,,

Estelle79 Joined Thu 09/11/14 Posts: 1452	Wed 06/03/15 12:40 PM
The reason women don't pass to a higher level physically is because they aren't trained at a higher level. If women have babies, it means we are more than strong enough for war. It is harder to create life than it is to destroy, men like to think otherwise, but that is just their perspective on things.

regularfeller Joined Sat 11/10/12 Posts: 2394	Wed 06/03/15 01:35 PM
MAKE LOVE NOT WAR! and if not,, make love DURING WAR,, at least die happy,,, you know THERE ARE some wars going on!

regularfeller Joined Sat 11/10/12 Posts: 2394	Wed 06/03/15 01:54 PM
With this military thing, the problem is that males think they can define the limits of females, so that needs to stop because it's really stupid. doesnt society define that in civilian life when its declared that 'a woman is no match for a man' ? Does nobody get it? The issue IS NOT whether women should have the opportunity to compete for a spot on an elite forces team, it IS whether or not she should be given a lower standard of performance in order to qualify. For example, I'll just use one to not belabor the point: Man has to drag a 200 pound dummy 50 yards in less than 60 seconds. Woman only required to drag a 140 pound dummy 30 yards in 60 seconds. THIS is the source of contention. The training exercises are made to simulate real world battle situations. You will NEVER encounter a 140 pound teammate, gear alone is often 60 - 80+ pounds. Just the same as males who do not make the cut, if the woman CANNOT perform the exact same physical tasks within the exact same performance standards, then she is a liability to the team. Her presence on a team is detrimental to fulfilling mission objectives and endangers the lives of her teammates. And bear in mind, the standards were set many years ago when women neither expressed a desire, nor were they considered to participate, in the training. Therefore, they were not created to be gender biased. If you can do it, DO IT! If you cannot, accept your failure just the same as hundreds of men do each year. What is there to argue about?

dnewnew Joined Fri 05/30/14 Posts: 243	Wed 06/03/15 10:25 PM
What really eats me up is discussion about "alternate standards" for women. BS...you can do the job or you can't. I don't want my sorry * depending on someone who only had to prove they can do do 65% of what I had to prove I can do, man or woman. Also, women have to request to be assigned to a ground unit. For men that's the automatic default position. I'm sure there are women out there who could kick my * in hand-to-hand combat, but by and large I'm willing to say against average women I'll prevail about 99.9% of the time. Against average men? Maybe 90%, not because I'm some Johnny Rambo or anything like that, but because I've been in training for just such a scenario for 28 friggin' years, while 90% of men have not. Put me in a cage against MMA fighters and the percentage will drop substantially, I'll likely get my *** handed to me. Wherein lies the crux...I know my limits and that I don't belong in that world. I wouldn't ask them to lower their standards to allow me to participate. As for giving birth being an indicator toughness, after a woman gives birth, within an hour or so they're happily cradling their little bundle of joy in their arms and smiling for the camera. There's a HUGE difference between that and the pain of being shot, tied up and beaten, or hit by an IED, both physically and psychologically. Of the scenarios provided, I've never given birth, so I guess you could say my statement is speculative. Then again, after a woman gives birth, after a year or so she may ask, "Why don't we have another kid!" I can't think of a man saying, "Please kick me in the 'nads again!" Okay: to the OP Ms. Harmony: historically women were not in armies b/c culturally, women were seen as needing protection, not giving aggression. Oddly though, aside from the actual battles/combat - women are most adversely affected by a war, in any era or country. We are the ones who are raped & killed by the invading armies to simply prove a point, that they are winning...perhaps if all females had been included in the training to fight, from the beginning of "armies", wars would have turned out very differently. Also, we are seen as part of the "honor" of nations/cultures, so raping & killing us is naturally part of what an invading army does to hurt their enemies. Men never think about their own mothers when they are doing this in the course of a war?? Islamic State "soldiers" never had mothers or sisters?? Now: to address the Ret. Marine's quotes: I don't know about lowering standards for the armed services, but here in NYC there is still a very large & vocal group trying to eliminate women from the FDNY altogether, though the test is the same for both genders. So let me say this: I would much rather have a 5'5" 130 lb. 30 y.o. woman who works out every day & is healthy rescue me; over the 6'0 300 lb. 50 y.o. who is in too much debt(2nd marriage/2nd mortgage 2 sets of kids one in college & the other in grade school) to take the early retirement the FDNY offers so stays on the job but hasn't seen the inside of a gym in 20 years & has all the signs of cardio vascular disease, try to get up even a 3rd floor walk up in full gear & hose during a smoky fire. If the woman can do the job just as good then LET HER! As to strength...ever pass a kidney stone? That's tiny compared to passing even premature babies via vaginal birth. Also...in half the world, women give birth without any official medical care or sanitation. Can any man provide food/blood/oxygen/climate control - essentially an entire ecosystem for another undeveloped human being INSIDE their own body - FROM their own body's resources for 9 months? I do believe the only time anything remotely similar to this happens to men, it's called a parasite (tapeworm?), & they go running to the dr. to get it removed ASAP. Try cramping & bleeding at least 5 days a week every month from the time you are 12 to the time you are in your early 50's, from any body part you choose, don't die from the blood lost AND continue your everyday living activities. 12 y.o. girls do it around the world every single day even without the choice of body part for the bleeding...can you? We are so much stronger than the other half of our species gives us credit for LOL!

RebelArcher Joined Sat 08/02/14 Posts: 5247	Wed 06/03/15 10:58 PM
The reason women don't pass to a higher level physically is because they aren't trained at a higher level. If women have babies, it means we are more than strong enough for war. It is harder to create life than it is to destroy, men like to think otherwise, but that is just their perspective on things. Go home, youre drunk

RebelArcher Joined Sat 08/02/14 Posts: 5247	Wed 06/03/15 11:08 PM
but here in NYC there is still a very large & vocal group trying to eliminat women from the FDNY altogether, though th test is the same for both genders. Funny this got mentioned.... "" The FDNY for the first time in its history will allow someone who failed its crucial physical fitness test to join the Bravest, The Post has learned. Rebecca Wax, 33, is set to graduate Tuesday from the Fire Academy without passing the Functional Skills Training test, a grueling obstacle course of job- related tasks performed in full gear with a limited air supply, an insider has revealed. “They’re going to allow the first person to graduate without passing because this administration has lowered the standard,” said the insider, who is familiar with the training. Upon graduation, Wax would be assigned to a firehouse and tasked with the full duties of a firefighter. Some FDNY members are angry. “We’re being asked to go into a fire with someone who isn’t 100 percent qualified,” the source said. “Our job is a team effort. If there’s a weak link in the chain, either civilians or our members can die.” Wax’s graduation comes as the city celebrates the FDNY’s 150th anniversary and as the department is under pressure by the de Blasio administration to hire more women. Only 44 of the FDNY’s 10,500 firefighters are female. While Wax fell short, two other female probies in the graduating class passed the FST with flying colors. “They’re kicking butt. They’re doing better than 50 percent of the class,” the insider said. “When they get assigned to a firehouse, they’ll be welcomed with open arms because they’ve done what everyone else has gone through.” Other female firefighters aren’t pleased about Wax’s treatment, either. “A lot of the girls in the field are pissed because they feel like they’re getting lumped into the same category of a female getting special treatment and not meeting the same standards as the males,” the insider added. “It devalues what the women in the field have accomplished.”" http://nypost.com/2015/05/03/woman-to-become-ny-firefighter-despite-failing-crucial-fitness-test/ "" “WE’RE BEING ASKED TO GO INTO A FIRE WITH SOMEONE WHO ISN’T 100 PERCENT QUALIFIED. OUR JOB IS A TEAM EFFORT. IF THERE’S A WEAK LINK IN THE CHAIN, EITHER CIVILIANS OR OUR MEMBERS CAN DIE.”""