thank you, I dont start many threads ya know? I like to think when I do that they are thoughtful

a physical altercation allows the defendant to respond with like and equal force irrespective of gender.

thankfully, the law tries to uphold that standard

but Im speaking social justice/repurcussion,,,,though it is legal for the man to hit back or push back, or slap back,, in the public they often become demonized and ousted for doing so,,,

women as combatants is only new in the US. They have been combatants elsewhere though not in large numbers except perhaps Israel....an outgrowth of the WW2 Resistance no doubt. (where women were very much combatants)

Yes I imagine so. Being the stronger they could most likely use restraint instead of reciprocation. That seems more logical anyway.

Yes I imagine so. Being the stronger they could most likely use restraint instead of reciprocation. That seems more logical anyway.

Im not to worried about what the rest of the world does. And to lower standards just so a certain political party looks good to a certain demographic is asinine.
Our (The U.S.) militaries mission isnt to be the best gender integrated in the world.....its to be the best, period.
Are there rare instances where females can pass certain combat standards? Sure. But those instances are too few and far between to deal with.
Women have no place in a Marine Corps infantry unit.

I think if the over all odds are balanced in a male /female altercation then women can hold their own. Most women can not hold their own because of their poor physical conditioning not just being female and smaller.

At least that was true when I was in my top condition. I regularly kicked butt when matched inch for inch and pound for pound male or female when I was 5'8" 38-26-36 and 148. Of course my assets, under my assets, were highly developed being a farm kid, and avid hunter, and living in a very tough environment.

I am going to take the whole birthing a baby argument off the table. I can tell you from having several kids; including no drugs, long labor, feet first, forcepts and several hands up their pulling a good size child out is NOTHING compared to some of the injuries I have had that are similar to combat injuries.

I am also disqualifying the fitness of women for combat until I see equal standards for women versus men. I have long said and competed with men under men's standards not skewed "pink" ones is the only true standard for fitness for duty. But as long as you pick sweet little middle class (usually second generation military) female applicants for military service rather then the tougher and more combat worthy applicants you are going to have an apples to oranges comparison. Think how many 99 pound weaklings wash out?

Also ask the combat soldiers that have close contact in country exchanges with female opponents say about who they would have to deal with in combat, handle as hostages, or try to get intel out of? The I think the answers would be less macho. Maybe cultural differences exist in more current wars but the Viet Era solders and older that I have had contact with not only respected female opponents but feared them.

As far as women versus minors in sexual abuse cases they just have not gotten the right people against them because I assure you if it was me dealing with a female sexually abusing a minor female OR male I would tear them a new one and then throw away the key.

A woman is supposed to make a 'happy home' not engage in war on the premises..so I think society maintains domestic violence targets women unfairly, and this is why we get the idea that women are always the victims in domestic violence...because it ruins the 'happy home' that is the place of the woman's honor, so she is the last person who wants anything to go down then and there...she would maintain peace at all costs so how could she be the perpetrator. And it could most often be the case..Anyway, that is still the idea that society shares about women at home. That's just a theory I don't know, it's complicated.

Thank you!

I think my graduating from Coast Guard bootcamp (2nd only to Marine boot at that time) in the #1 spot of 150 men and women says something. There were NO concessions made for females.

I can also claim combat duty, but don't.... That whole excursion was a bunny fart.

Just saw this, so I'm going back to answer the original question/concern.

The critical thing to recognize, OP, before you ask any questions about this, is that although YOU want consistency (I do too, so I'm on your side), the world as a collective entity does not give a crap about it.

In fact, most individual people don't even bother to make sure that their own proclaimed beliefs are internally consistent.

How the genuinely contradictory things you point out came to be true at the same time, is that each of the various elements was established as a "solution" to a specific different "problem," by completely different sets of authorities. And making sure that their solutions made sense when placed side by side with everything else in law, was not on ANYONE'S agenda.

In the case of women in combat, the change in US laws to permit that, is coming as a "solution" to women demanding equality in that theater. It has nothing at all to do with anything else. The fact that it will bring new problems to be dealt with, isn't on the agenda of the people making the changes.

What's this "we" kemosabe?

I don't think "we" really "allow" them so much as not interfere as much as we used to with their choice to do so.
I think there is a difference.


Technology is the great equalizer.
There's an old saying "God made all men, but Sam Colt made them equal."
Or "Abe Lincoln freed all men, but Sam Colt made them equal."

Also, in the U.S., women aren't allowed "front line" jobs in the military.

Although they can be used in areas of "direct combat" for somewhat ancillary purposes other than fighting, like as an MP, or pilot, or to handle women and kids when special forces perform raids on homes.


There is no such animal, although people try to pretend they are for it or working on it.
It's one of those bs idealizations politicians use in order to keep their jobs and make it look like they are helping the poor masses that vote for them.

If they came out and said "we's gonna give you's all a bunch of money, bread, and circuses! Take from the rich, give to the poor, and help you be anything you's want!" people would be suspicious.
But working for "social justice?" Wellll, that sounds like something an altruistic super hero does! That's a cause!


Yes. But cry wolf too often and you start suffering the consequences.


Why not? It's worked for everyone else considered a minority.


There is always consistency and balance.
But it's never under human control.
Things find their own balance and consistency.
Everything people do is for their own benefit, never in the interest of fairness, consistency, justice, or balance.


Human behavior is inconsistent.
Because it's always adapting to natures balancing act, the actions of the "invisible hand," which is responding to what other people are doing.

When you try to find balance in something "we" do you will never find it without looking past it.

When did you give birth? In your EXPERIENCE when did one of your MALE friends give birth and DIE because of it???...I'll be willing to accept any and all actual EVIDENCE(i.e some male you know who died because of the pain of the process)...any friend's 'said' or someone you know who 'says' is hearsay and not admissible....just like in court....don't worry i'll wait for your EXPERIENCE showing this to be fact...




Now me myself speaking from EXPERIENCE men and women have different strengths....unfortunately there is a small group that has fought too hard to prove these "differences" don't exist, taking away what makes us uniquely men and women...FACT is these differences DO exist.

Yes men are naturally stronger than most women(i don't see this 'minority' fighting for the right to contend in co-ed boxing...if we're equal...then there should NEVER be separate leagues for men and woman...co-ed EVERYTHING)

Being in the military for 8 years, on a co-ed ship with 60+ women from EXPERIENCE only about 2 of them could do the job to its FULL extent...granted some occupations are less-physical but in the military one MUST be able to do things in EMERGENCY situations...on our ship we had an incident where it just so happened that the emergency medical team was ALL female on the same watch, a shipmate went down during a difficult operation....the women(stretcher bearer team) could NOT lift the guy...they were the ones trained in how to PROPERLY take-care of an injured body...but they COULDN'T physically do the job....so guess what happened? the men had to do their job FOR THEM.....this happens ALL TO OFTEN in the military...

Granted i don't think woman should be denied in the military IF THEY CAN DO IT, IMO the Physical standards need to be the same for men and women...granted this may exclude most women(but not all). But honestly if i go down somewhere...i'd be wishing the person next to me(man or women) would be strong enough to throw my big-a$s over their shoulder and carry me...a 5'1 99lb woman...is not going to be able to do that.

We did have 2 woman on my ship, that not only did as much(sometimes more) than the men, and those 2 i'd be glad they had my back...the rest i'm sorry just don't belong in that environment.

I am shocked and embarrassed by the ignorant comments being thrown around this forum and I pray none of you actually have children that you are raising with such bigoted ideals. We are a species who's survival depends on both genders living together in harmony. There is no such thing as who is better. How ridiculous. We need each other. As for men being better at fighting that is complete rubbish. It depends on the human being. Not their gender. And also for the woman claiming abused women choose when they are abused or not...you need to get educated. Both genders get abused. But women are oppressed in some countries for example childbrides.They do not have a choice. I'm lucky to live in the country who gave women the first vote in the world. Male and female are different not better than each other. And Im sorry if your countries laws allow a persons gender to depict whether their actions are wrong or not. Also, yes think of the pain your mother went through to give you life before you go slagging off women as being inferior. Come into the new millennium people and leave your small minded ideas in the past where they belong please

I agree that partners are not suppose to make war on the premises in marital relationships but all too often the "popular" pairing is anything but equal. You have pretty little petite Barbie who only occasionally puts on the costume of having a "pink" job slugging it out at home in the real trenches having anywhere from one to six kids or step kids while she begs , bribes, and yes sometimes submissive aggressively bullies Big old Ken into staying on a job he usually hates, making less money than he expected, and who's only message from media is he is a wuss if he acts like a father or faithful mate and negotiates out problems. Few couples have any reasonable independent living skills when they get out of the nest now days except that don't do it like dear old Mom and Dad did it. They have little or no idea about money, how to hold a job if one even exists, crummy school systems that say the parents are the fault they are failing, and communities that help only the poorest and the richest. About the only recreation is TV, drinking, or popping pills that the medical community pass out like candy corn. And when these families find themselves in crisis there is a failed police and court system tasked with fixing them with even fewer resources. So yea when women AND MEN find their families dangling by a thread over the abyss of living in the street they cower and stay in broken situations that are often way to damaged to fix.

What is Also not widely reported is that and equal number or greater number of assaults are committed against men on men that may or may not have a sexual component. Unfortunately in the military the structure of command often means that the stronger dominate over the weaker and if Chain of Command is flawed there is no where to go for correction. Thus you have hazing, sexual abuse, and death by "friendly" fire, or even suicide missions where there is little or nothing done about it. If a service member complains he can pretty much kiss the career or his life good bye. With a service that for quite awhile the only way out is to get kicked out or claim medical out which has severe ramifications in and economy that does not have jobs for them the alternative is dire. So the problem gets stuffed and or treated with drugs and alcohol, blaming the victim, and or suicide. So men who would report abuse of male , and female, members shut up and deal with just surviving. They don't condone it but they are pretty much powerless to fix it. But don't kid yourself there have been more than a few retalitory assaults.

I was not asking you to care what goes on in the rest of the world, merely stating facts. I would hardly call the Israeli Army lowering a standard.

You are entitled to your opinion about the Marine Corps. But others may have divergent opinions. Decisions in our country are not made via the opinion of one person, however, they are made based on consensus and consideration of the opinions of many. (Someone can remind Obama of this please) lol

I am sure the Marines are quite capable of sorting out whatever gender issues they might face. I can't worry about it TBH.

Why yes, they are.....if politicians stay out of it.


All Americans should worry when the combat effectiveness of certain military units may have that effectiveness degraded just because some politician wants to make one of his lobbies happy.

Do women have a place in our military? Absolutely. But they arent suited for certain areas of it.....not because there is some hate of women.....but because they just arent capable of meeting certain physical standards.

Btw, if youre gonna lower standards to let a few women in, what about some of the men that cant meet the regular standards?