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Topic: Judge not?
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Sun 08/07/16 07:32 AM
1 Corinthians 2
14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

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Sun 08/07/16 08:41 AM
The precept: “Judge not, that ye be not judged” . . . is an abdication of moral responsibility: it is a moral blank check one gives to others in exchange for a moral blank check one expects for oneself.

There is no escape from the fact that men have to make choices; so long as men have to make choices, there is no escape from moral values; so long as moral values are at stake, no moral neutrality is possible. To abstain from condemning a torturer, is to become an accessory to the torture and murder of his victims.

The moral principle to adopt in this issue, is: “Judge, and be prepared to be judged.”

The opposite of moral neutrality is not a blind, arbitrary, self-righteous condemnation of any idea, action or person that does not fit one’s mood, one’s memorized slogans or one’s snap judgment of the moment. Indiscriminate tolerance and indiscriminate condemnation are not two opposites: they are two variants of the same evasion. To declare that “everybody is white” or “everybody is black” or “everybody is neither white nor black, but gray,” is not a moral judgment, but an escape from the responsibility of moral judgment.

To judge means: to evaluate a given concrete by reference to an abstract principle or standard. It is not an easy task; it is not a task that can be performed automatically by one’s feelings, “instincts” or hunches. It is a task that requires the most precise, the most exacting, the most ruthlessly objective and rational process of thought. It is fairly easy to grasp abstract moral principles; it can be very difficult to apply them to a given situation, particularly when it involves the moral character of another person. When one pronounces moral judgment, whether in praise or in blame, one must be prepared to answer “Why?” and to prove one’s case—to oneself and to any rational inquirer.
A.Rand

“How Does One Lead a Rational Life in an Irrational Society,”
The Virtue of Selfishness, 72

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Sun 08/07/16 04:01 PM
judge and be prepared to be judged


should be mingle2 motto for personal opinions going forward,,,

lol

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Sun 08/07/16 06:58 PM
Jesus: "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you." - Matthew 7:1-2 (ESV)

Verse 2 explains Verse 1.

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Mon 08/08/16 02:25 AM
These verses are just telling us to not mind about other people's salvation. It's none of our business, we can't control if they are going to Heaven or remain in hell. If we "judge" someone's well being in relation to God, and say you judge them to be "wrong" or "evil" or whatever word you wish to use in substitute along those lines, you are then insinuating that you are "better" then them. And God tells us "All men fall short of the glory of God". So until someone reaches that moral point of God, they have no right to judge another... thus why again we will be judged as we judge them.

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Sat 08/13/16 07:02 AM

I agree,, we learn that judgement will come for everyone

its unavoidable

Hi

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Sat 08/13/16 04:34 PM

These verses are just telling us to not mind about other people's salvation. It's none of our business, we can't control if they are going to Heaven or remain in hell. If we "judge" someone's well being in relation to God, and say you judge them to be "wrong" or "evil" or whatever word you wish to use in substitute along those lines, you are then insinuating that you are "better" then them. And God tells us "All men fall short of the glory of God". So until someone reaches that moral point of God, they have no right to judge another... thus why again we will be judged as we judge them.



totally agree

its why I try to refrain from saying someone is a bad or 'evil' person, just that they have done something or said something wrong or bad,,,which is judging the action and not the actor

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Mon 10/03/16 02:42 PM
"Christains" who say "Don't judge!!!! Don't judge!!!! Don't judge!!!!" lack discernment.


Granted there is a need to find out what the Greek and Aramaic words for "judge" mean. But it is a sad fact that many so-called "christians" love to say "Don't judge!!!!" and thus imply that there is no need to point-out sin.

If there are no standards anymore- don't be shocked if a nation stops following God's ways.

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Mon 10/03/16 04:39 PM


Jesus in verse 5 completely debunks the entire spirit in which critics cite Matthew 7.


The ESV Study Bible says it best that, “Jesus does not forbid all evaluation or even judgment of others, for ultimately the one who feels grieved and humbled over his own sin can help remove the “speck” from others. What Jesus does rule out is pride that views oneself as better than others (Gal 6:1).”



Dr. MacArthur astutely adds, “As the context reveals, “judge not” does not prohibit all types of judging (v. 16). There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise with careful discernment (John 7:24).


Censorious, hypocritical, self-righteous, or other kinds of unfair judgments are forbidden; but in order to fulfill the commandments that follow, it is necessary to discern dogs and swine (v. 6) from one’s own brethren (vv. 3–5).“



https://entreatingfavor.com/judge-not/


Sorry if I am ignorant as I didn't go too the link presented. But Jesus always tells us not too judge. He NEVER tells us too "judge" another on the level of our eternal being. Of course lets not pick words apart, as we will always make a "judgement" on someone as in an opinion. But Jesus is specifically referring too our either eternal being or if they are a "good/acceptable" person in the context as too in God's eyes, either they themselves or their actions they committed. And is why we are told we will be judged in the same way as we judge others.



you paraprhrased correctly

In John 7:24, Jesus said "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment



Jesus said to have 'righteous' judgment,, we are given the whole text of the Bible to help us discern and use such judgment,,,we can use that knowledge to discern/judge actions and words on their biblical merit.

jesus ,many times told others to SIN no more, which was judging that something was a sin,,,but not judging what that persons fate with God would be


I analyze it with the example of a court,,,the jury decides if one is guilty of a crime,,the judge decides the penalty for it


we are never to be the JUDGE for only God is, we are the jury who uses the Bible as our definition for whether a crime (sin) is committed or not



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Wed 10/05/16 06:55 AM

"Christains" who say "Don't judge!!!! Don't judge!!!! Don't judge!!!!" lack discernment.


Granted there is a need to find out what the Greek and Aramaic words for "judge" mean. But it is a sad fact that many so-called "christians" love to say "Don't judge!!!!" and thus imply that there is no need to point-out sin.

If there are no standards anymore- don't be shocked if a nation stops following God's ways.


I am not shocked.

I would like to know what nation does follow his ways?

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Fri 11/11/16 11:00 AM
When it comes to human judgement the Buddhist maxim that we should regard all events and all beings with complete eqanimity has much to commend it.
As for earthly judges, their job is to interpret and apply the law of the land. The problem is that these laws are often flawed, for instance in the Uk, all those found guilty or imprisoned for being homosexual ( in some cases without any real eveidence) have recently ben pardoned. In the early 19th century, a Noncomformist could not hold public office, clearly another unfair law.


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Fri 11/11/16 12:54 PM



Jesus in verse 5 completely debunks the entire spirit in which critics cite Matthew 7.


The ESV Study Bible says it best that, “Jesus does not forbid all evaluation or even judgment of others, for ultimately the one who feels grieved and humbled over his own sin can help remove the “speck” from others. What Jesus does rule out is pride that views oneself as better than others (Gal 6:1).”



Dr. MacArthur astutely adds, “As the context reveals, “judge not” does not prohibit all types of judging (v. 16). There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise with careful discernment (John 7:24).


Censorious, hypocritical, self-righteous, or other kinds of unfair judgments are forbidden; but in order to fulfill the commandments that follow, it is necessary to discern dogs and swine (v. 6) from one’s own brethren (vv. 3–5).“



https://entreatingfavor.com/judge-not/


Sorry if I am ignorant as I didn't go too the link presented. But Jesus always tells us not too judge. He NEVER tells us too "judge" another on the level of our eternal being. Of course lets not pick words apart, as we will always make a "judgement" on someone as in an opinion. But Jesus is specifically referring too our either eternal being or if they are a "good/acceptable" person in the context as too in God's eyes, either they themselves or their actions they committed. And is why we are told we will be judged in the same way as we judge others.



you paraprhrased correctly

In John 7:24, Jesus said "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment



Jesus said to have 'righteous' judgment,, we are given the whole text of the Bible to help us discern and use such judgment,,,we can use that knowledge to discern/judge actions and words on their biblical merit.

jesus ,many times told others to SIN no more, which was judging that something was a sin,,,but not judging what that persons fate with God would be


I analyze it with the example of a court,,,the jury decides if one is guilty of a crime,,the judge decides the penalty for it


we are never to be the JUDGE for only God is, we are the jury who uses the Bible as our definition for whether a crime (sin) is committed or not





But careful of how you judge if you wish too do so


Matthew 7:2

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

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