Topic: Disheartening
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Tue 11/15/16 06:05 PM
Not all states require electors to use winner takes all

Like it or not.

The electors don't officially cast their votes until December

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Tue 11/15/16 06:23 PM
Edited by MetroMania on Tue 11/15/16 06:30 PM

I haven't read all the post here. This might have been brought up and I just didn't see it. The fact is, Hillery won the popular vote. Let's break that down. That means that more Americans voted for Hillery than they did Trump. The only reason Trump got the presidency was because he got the 270.

Now, It seems to me the real question here is, Was the voice of the people heard? This is why so many millions of people have hit the streets in protest. When you get down to the nitty-gritty of it. It doesn't matter whether you are Dem or Rep. Was the voice of the people heard? That's what the protesting is about. It has nothing to do with whining about who won. Or because their candidate didn't win.

The voice of the people wasn't heard.


Of course the people were heard. They are heard every time they vote.
It is about sore losers.
This is the United States of America, not the United States of Individuals.
We are not a democracy, we are a Republic. The Electoral college votes for us. The popular vote means NOTHING.

In this election the so called popular vote/ MAJORITY-  chose TRUMP,  Clinton LOST. No matter how the MSM portrays it or ignores it and does reportOT it.
And no matter how many people get PAID, $35.00 an hour  to protest/ RIOT.

Do you REALLY think, that there are millions of people  :smiley: that took to the streets, on their own accord , because a criminal lost the oval office and they are not being heard?
 
The minute that the Electoral vote was in, world leaders started lining up and bending over for TRUMP.
And they should.

The FINAL count has been posted out here in various threads by people in political.

Final #Election 2016 numbers

#PopularVote:

#Trump: 62,972,226

#Clinton: 62,277,750

#ElectoralCollege vote

#Trump 309

#Clinton 232



Iowa lawmaker tells Trump protesters to “Suck it up, Buttercup”

http://wqad.com/2016/11/14/iowa-lawmaker-tells-trump-protesters-to-suck-it-up-buttercup/


msharmony's photo
Tue 11/15/16 06:43 PM
Millions of individuals all being paid for protest and every report but one has incorrect popular vote info....the things people will believe and promote never fails to amaze me. Smh

Rock's photo
Tue 11/15/16 08:31 PM
DNC talking points daily memorandum, is far removed from fact.


Sorry, hilary is a loser. flowerforyou

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/15/16 08:57 PM
Hopefully those breaking the laws will be dealt with and peaceful protest will continue

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Tue 11/15/16 09:16 PM
It is by no means certain that Clinton actually won the popular vote. This fellow claims to have found 3 million votes for her from non-citizens:
https://twitter.com/JumpVote/status/797843232436748288

and President Clinton indisputably encouraged people here illegally to vote, the day before the election:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLLt-a6dI_0&feature=youtu.be
(Snopes claims he was not, but the conversation from 3:20 on is clear).

Plus, around 7 million absentee ballots remain to be counted.

Plus, numerous reports surfaced in early voting of electronic touchscreen voting machines flipping votes from Trump to Clinton.

Plus, in several states (e.g. Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania) vote counts in major metropolitan areas were withheld til very late, indicative of vote fraud.

According to this commissioner of the New York City Board of Elections, there is massive vote fraud in NYC:
http://projectveritas.com/2016/10/11/hidden-camera-nyc-democratic-election-commissioner-they-bus-people-around-to-vote/

This guy says there are over 4 million dead people on the voter rolls:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/fmr-doj-election-attorney-says-4-million-dead-people-voting-doj-doesnt-care/

Gordon Duff tonight is stating on the rense.com talk show that NYU is conducting an examination of the voting and has discovered 14 million votes cast but not counted. Mr. Duff believes that Hillary actually won and that the election was electronically stolen by Russia.

California, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, and Washington, D.C. all require no identification before voting. The door to vote fraud is wide open in these states.

Voter ID and paper ballots, with only very limited early or absentee voting, are a must if we are ever to have provably honest elections.

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Tue 11/15/16 09:24 PM
Edited by MetroMania on Tue 11/15/16 09:25 PM
"Mr. Duff believes that Hillary actually won and that the election was electronically stolen by Russia. "

rofl ... Hillary blaming the Russians again ! rofl

Is there a special drug for that? spock

rofl


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Wed 11/16/16 10:51 AM

"Mr. Duff believes that Hillary actually won and that the election was electronically stolen by Russia. "

rofl ... Hillary blaming the Russians again ! rofl

Is there a special drug for that? spock

rofl




http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/19/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-blames-russia-putin-wikileaks-rele/

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Wed 11/16/16 10:59 AM

It is by no means certain that Clinton actually won the popular vote. This fellow claims to have found 3 million votes for her from non-citizens:
https://twitter.com/JumpVote/status/797843232436748288

and President Clinton indisputably encouraged people here illegally to vote, the day before the election:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLLt-a6dI_0&feature=youtu.be
(Snopes claims he was not, but the conversation from 3:20 on is clear).

Plus, around 7 million absentee ballots remain to be counted.

Plus, numerous reports surfaced in early voting of electronic touchscreen voting machines flipping votes from Trump to Clinton.

Plus, in several states (e.g. Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania) vote counts in major metropolitan areas were withheld til very late, indicative of vote fraud.

According to this commissioner of the New York City Board of Elections, there is massive vote fraud in NYC:
http://projectveritas.com/2016/10/11/hidden-camera-nyc-democratic-election-commissioner-they-bus-people-around-to-vote/

This guy says there are over 4 million dead people on the voter rolls:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/fmr-doj-election-attorney-says-4-million-dead-people-voting-doj-doesnt-care/

Gordon Duff tonight is stating on the rense.com talk show that NYU is conducting an examination of the voting and has discovered 14 million votes cast but not counted. Mr. Duff believes that Hillary actually won and that the election was electronically stolen by Russia.

California, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, and Washington, D.C. all require no identification before voting. The door to vote fraud is wide open in these states.

Voter ID and paper ballots, with only very limited early or absentee voting, are a must if we are ever to have provably honest elections.


Published today.

https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clintons-popular-vote-victory-is-unprecedented-and-still-growing/

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Wed 11/16/16 11:24 AM

"Mr. Duff believes that Hillary actually won and that the election was electronically stolen by Russia. "

rofl ... Hillary blaming the Russians again ! rofl

Is there a special drug for that? spock

rofl



Gordon Duff,The King Of Disinformation!

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Wed 11/16/16 11:46 AM
Published today.

https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clintons-popular-vote-victory-is-unprecedented-and-still-growing/
There is no major news source reporting that a final count will change the outcome of the election.
There IS the expected rabble rousing of the losing side about popular vote vs the electoral college.....and NOBODY has ANY concrete proof...that IF popular vote determined the outcome of the election, and candidates campaigned on that premise....that Trump would have lost. Remember....he was told he would never sniff the repub nomination...and then that he would never win the general. He did both....
Time to move on and wait and at least complain about policy he makes while president.
The "stole the election" angle is just sour grapes.

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Wed 11/16/16 02:31 PM

Published today.

https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clintons-popular-vote-victory-is-unprecedented-and-still-growing/
There is no major news source reporting that a final count will change the outcome of the election.
There IS the expected rabble rousing of the losing side about popular vote vs the electoral college.....and NOBODY has ANY concrete proof...that IF popular vote determined the outcome of the election, and candidates campaigned on that premise....that Trump would have lost. Remember....he was told he would never sniff the repub nomination...and then that he would never win the general. He did both....
Time to move on and wait and at least complain about policy he makes while president.
The "stole the election" angle is just sour grapes.

Very true, but with the added factor that the Clintons and Obama must of necessity condone any action, even mass civil disobedience, just to stay out of jail.

Voter ID and paper ballots. The only way to have an honest election.

If the rules said that popular vote decides it, Trump would have spent a lot of time campaigning in California and New York, and adjusted his speeches accordingly.

As for Gordon Duff, my best guess is, his wife is a heartbroken Democrat...

I don't agree with the political assumptions implicit in the humor, but I still had a laugh at SNL's take on the outcome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc

and Conan O'Brien's ad for "She Won-a-Day Vitamins"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pKsQa3fiP4


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Thu 11/17/16 02:22 AM

Harmony,
You never mention her criminality. Thats the reason, she didnt win. We will no longer allow the elitest to put our country on the trash can. Take care of the world?? Eight years, just when was obama going to start to take care of AMERICANS???

By the way... anybody seen Hitlery? My guess is shes on a plane with her Saudi Arabian spy Huma Abedin. To start her new life in the middle east, with Haiti's 1.8 billion in gold. This is who you wanted in the white house???


She's been at her New York Mansion since the election. She was photographed out walking her dog with Bill.

The next day they announced that Chelsea will be running for Congress.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 11/17/16 02:28 AM

Not all states require electors to use winner takes all

Like it or not.

The electors don't officially cast their votes until December


The Electors aren't going to flip, one or two maybe but that's it.

If some reason (which is highly unlikely) they do flip and vote against what the people wanted we will see our government come undone. There will be rioting, calls for a revolution and we would have serious problems.

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Thu 11/17/16 04:14 AM
You know what is going to come of this electoral vote question?

Absolutely... nothing.

All those whining about it will stop.. as will the small number of protestors (once the press leaves.. which they will... just ask BLM's)

The Dems could have broached the subject after the last time ( 2000 Bush) and they didn't. Because neither party wants it to change.

Presidents were electrocuted by electoral 4 4 times in the history of the United States. The electoral vote is in our constitution.. and for good reason.

So, complaint all you like, but the President elect is... Trump.




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Thu 11/17/16 07:03 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 11/17/16 07:06 AM


Not all states require electors to use winner takes all

Like it or not.

The electors don't officially cast their votes until December


The Electors aren't going to flip, one or two maybe but that's it.

If some reason (which is highly unlikely) they do flip and vote against what the people wanted we will see our government come undone. There will be rioting, calls for a revolution and we would have serious problems.


that is exactly my point

we have the electoral college and its legal results, which resulted in people feeling as if the election went against what the 'people wanted',though it was the legal process

we also have the legal option for electors to flip, which will also leave people feeling as if the election went against what the 'people wanted'

nether way was/is going to end well

The president elect is Trump for now

legally it could go some other way depending upon the electors final decision

but dont count on it,,,


this is the plan, we have started down the 'shaken up' path the states asked for,,,,,lets just hope it doesnt end with a metaphorical civil war

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Tue 11/22/16 12:40 PM
Found this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-report-prompts-call-for-democrats-to-halt-transfer_us_5833faa1e4b0d28e552154be

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Tue 11/22/16 05:51 PM

Found this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-report-prompts-call-for-democrats-to-halt-transfer_us_5833faa1e4b0d28e552154be

One of the states this organization, SIIP, claims the Republicans committed suppression against minority voters in, is North Carolina.

The North Carolina Democratic Party is now attempting to prevent a recount in the very close gubernatorial election there, where the putative loser is the Republican incumbent, Pat McCrory.

A recount would of course entail a close examination of the ballots. This may supply telltale clues as to whether SIIP's allegations have merit or not.

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Wed 11/23/16 11:58 PM
Edited by SimpyComplicated on Thu 11/24/16 12:00 AM

Things the public is apparently ok with

'They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists — and some, I assume, are good people."


'"He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured."

""You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. "

""Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that — the face of our next president!?""

"Well, I watch the shows. I mean, I really see a lot of great — you know, when you watch your show and all of the other shows ..."(on who he gets military advice from)

""Written by a nice reporter — now the poor guy, you gotta see this guy. [gesticulates] 'Ahh, I don't know what I said! I don't remember!' He's going, 'I don't remember!'"


""Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.""

"All I know is what’s on the Internet."


,,,, the disgusting mouth and out of touch mind that might lead our country,,,,UNBELIEVABLE

we will be better off though folks,, all just because he isn't a politician,,,,



Hopefully you will find some heart in this video msharmony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyhOT3jCcR4

With an expert manipulator putting people in the boxes described in this Ted Talk Leading the citizens of the USA it will be up to the individuals to get them selves out of the boxes themselves until such time a leader comes along to lead them out.

It may be up to the citizens to help steer their leader in a healthy direction

If ya gunna dream, dream big

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Thu 11/24/16 04:09 AM
What I do not understand about the voting is I knew who would win 3 days before it was announced on the day.

There is a video by ANONYMOUS posted 3 days before the main voting, stating Trump will be the next President!

How is that even possible, if the voting was not rigged?

I never listen to the media or TV, that is all edited for public viewing. People in high places are paid not to print certain news, or edit or stories. All you get is the news the gov't wants you to see, which is fabricated.