Please, please just answer this,

Do you have a problem with Col. Bowman?

You had a problem with Peter lance, do you also have a problem with
Major General Alber Stubblebine?

Take your time and research these guys and get back to us. I really want
to know.

Do you have a problem with Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford?

we all have time and will wait for your reply.


__________________________________________


Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Retired U.S.
Marine Corps fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown. 21-year
Marine Corps career.

Letter to the Editor 2/5/07: Regarding 9/11 "Our government has been
hijacked by means of a "new Pearl Harbor" and a lot of otherwise good
and decent people who are gullible enough to think that the first three
steel-framed buildings in history fall down because they have some fires
that the fire fighter on the scene said could be knocked down with a
couple of hoses and through which people walked before they were
photographed looking out the holes where the plane hit . One of these -
bldg 7, [610 feet tall, 47 stories] was never hit by a plane and even
NIST is ashamed to advance a reason for its collapse. And, miracle of
miracles, these three buildings just happened to be leased and insured
by the same guy who is on tape saying they decided to "PULL" the last
one to fall." http://www.michigandaily.com


Statement to this website 2/20/07: "This isn't about party, it isn't
about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our
future. ...

Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the
more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used
it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.

If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual
information that directly contradicts the official report and who want
explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have
motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy
or fearful, or ... to check into the facts yourself, what does that make
you? Scholars for 9/11 truth have developed reams of scientific data.
Michael Ruppert published an exhaustive account of the case from the
viewpoint of a trained investigator. David Ray Griffin provides a
context for the unanswered or badly answered questions that should nag
at anyone who pretends to love this country.

Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can't handle it?
...

Do a little research. Google is a wonderful tool.

What does it all add up to? The Commission was, as was the Warren
Commission before it, a dog and pony show ... " Link to full statement


Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11
Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout
the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed
to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September
2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers
performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point
blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful
day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very
forthcoming with answers."

Please just answer this,

Do you have a problem with Col. Bowman?

You had a problem with Peter lance, do you also have a problem with
Major General Alber Stubblebine?

Take your time and research these guys and get back to us. I really want
to know.



_____________________________________________



Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding
General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984.
Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development
Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head
of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence.
32-year Army career.

Video 7/11/06: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of
the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical
Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment
from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and
I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the
Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did
hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?"
http://www.und


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see
Colonel Nelson, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, and
Steve DeChiaro.


Bio: http://www.canadiansub.com/Board

and you have the chance to get 2 million dollars and give it to any
charity you wish, but you say you cant.

And this is the only guy out of 400+ that you dont like his work or
history? Pleazzzz

Help me out, cuzz im crazy, what others do you find offensive?

maybe this guy?


Do you have a problem with Col. Bowman?


you crack me up with your excuses.

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Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced
Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air
Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics
and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of
Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force
Institute of Technology. Also taught Mathematics and English at the
University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and
Phillips University.
Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together,
prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is
a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts
having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that
high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and
who’s responsible.…

Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11?
And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first
place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is
pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration
with all roads passing through **** Cheney.

I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and
all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this
massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were
aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will
say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and
conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.go


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we
ask for four things:
An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry."
http://www.911truth.org/article



Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11
Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout
the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed
to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September
2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers
performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point
blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful
day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very
forthcoming with answers."


Website: http://www.thepatriots.us

what are you talking about petitons?


Were in hell and you want to show the devil some sigs????


This government has our victims over in Iraq over lies killing hundreds
of thousands of people because Bush says we got to kill them over there
so they wont get row boats and kill us over here, and you want
signitures???

that wont work, they dont care about the peoples will, havent you
figured that out yet?


_______________________________________


Peter Lance, MA, JD – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. Five-time
Emmy Award-winning television producer, screenwriter, journalist, and
author. Former Chief Investigative Correspondent for ABC News, 20/20,
Nightline, and World News Tonight. Writer and story editor for NBC's
Miami Vice and Crime Story. Co-executive producer of CBS' Wiseguy.
Co-creator of ABC's Missing Persons. Writer and producer on NBC's JAG
and UPN's The Sentinel. Author of Gross Misconduct (1993), First Degree
Burn (1997), Stingray: Lethal Tactics of the Sole Survivor (expose of
the Survivor television show) (2000), 1000 Years for Revenge:
International Terrorism and the FBI (2004), Cover Up: What the
Government is Still Hiding about the War on Terror (2005), Triple Cross
(2006).

Interview 1/27/05: "Question: In Cover Up, you show that the government
has covered up its own counter-terror failures. Tell us a bit about
these.

Peter Lance: The second half of Cover Up is a painstaking analysis of
the 9/11 Commission and it's effective whitewash. I go into great detail
with evidence of



How the Commission was hopelessly skewed on both the right and the left;


How the staff was riddled with conflicts of interest -- almost half of
the staff members were alumni of the very intelligence agencies they
were asked to judge;


How both Democrats and Republicans, cherry picked evidence and limited
the scope of the investigation to 1998 forward in order -- I believe --
to ignore the culpability of the FBI, CIA and other agencies for failing
to stop Osama bin Laden's 12 year juggernaut;


How, in effect, the fix was in on this Commission from day one -- there
was an intentional decision to limit the damage across three
presidential administrations and eliminate ANY accountability or blame
for what I call the biggest intelligence failure since The Trojan
Horse." http://frontpagemag.com




Website: http://www.peterlance.com

AB gee, I dont know why you would want to challenge them, but you
challenge me? so go figure.... also you dont want a 2 or 3 million
dollars either (even to give to charity) but thats your deal.


____________________________________________


Ed Asner – Seven-time Emmy Award-winning actor. Mary Tyler Moore Show,
Lou Grant, Roots, Rich Man, Poor Man.

Open letter 4/26/04: " I would like to suggest to you emphatically that
the 9-11 truth movement is the most pressing issue of the peace &
justice movement today. ...

There are many disturbing issues around 9-11 that have yet to be
examined in any meaningful way by our media, Congress, and even by the
9-11 Commission. These include accountability for the massive breakdown
of air defense and plane intercept procedures as described in FAA and
DOD regulations, which were violated on 9-11.

This breakdown and astounding unpreparedness by U.S. domestic defense
agencies is puzzling to say the least, given the detailed reports our
government had of the coming attacks, that were bizarrely suppressed by
key officials. ...

I urge all to read The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the
Bush Administration and 9/11 by David Ray Griffin, and endorsed by
Howard Zinn, and to view "The Great Deception" documentary by acclaimed
Canadian television journalist Barrie Zwicker. ...

We must look deeply at the events leading up to, on and since 9-11. We
must demand full 9-11 truth." http://www.septembereleventh.org


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we
ask for four things:
An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry."
http://www.911truth.org/article



Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Asner

But remember...its not my point, its experts points. are you an
expert????

until then I will continue the information of experts, but, thanks for
your debate, I just wish you would back up about 3 pages and debate some
real WAR HEROS and challenge them...but I know, thats a tough one...but
good luck.

______________________________________


Gray Brechin, PhD – Lecturer and Visiting Scholar, Geography Department,
University of California at Berkeley.

Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we
ask for four things:
An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry."
http://www.911truth.org/article.php


Bio: http://www.graybrechin.com/GBrechinBiography.h

yep, I disagree, but this guy is for real, ask him.


__________________________________________


Richard Curtis, PhD – Adjunct Professor of Philosophy at a variety of
Seattle area colleges.

Guest Editorial "9/11 Commission Report is a Lie" Seattle
Post-Intelligencer 5/16/06: "The commission's conclusions and
recommendations should be totally rejected. Its story is full of lies,
distortions and omissions of fact." http://seattlepi.nwsource


Speech 7/1/06: "... there is no evidence to support the commonly held
belief that 19 Arab religious fanatics were responsible for the attack
of 9/11. And further, the evidence we do have strongly supports the
alternative theory that the attacks were actually an inside job. ... The
government and our media have endlessly repeated a Big Lie about 9/11.
The official version of this lie was published in a book called The 9/11
Commission Report." http://72.14.253.104


Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Research proves
the current administration has been dishonest about what happened in New
York and Washington, D.C. The World Trade Center was almost certainly
brought down by controlled demolitions and that the available relevant
evidence casts grave doubt on the government's official story about the
attack on the Pentagon."

the truth is in front of there faces.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9b4D-aO3zY

its only 10 minutes long

yes, I read that, and watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9b4D-aO3zY


____________________________________

Ernst Welteke – Former President of Deutsche Bundesbank (German Federal
Bank) 1999 - 2004. German politician and political economist. Member
of the Hessian State Parliament, 1974 - 1995.

Telegraph Article 9/23/01: "Ernst Welteke, president of the Bundesbank,
said financial investigators had found strong indications of suspicious
dealings in gold and oil, as well as unusual movements in airline and
insurance shares, in the days before the September 11 attacks in the
United States. ..."There are ever clearer signs that there were
activities on international financial markets that must have been
carried out with the necessary expert knowledge."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk


Washington Post Article 9/22/01: "The president of Germany's central
bank said today there was mounting evidence that people connected to the
attacks in New York and Washington sought to profit from the tragedy by
engaging in "terrorism insider trading" on European stock and commodity
markets.

Ernst Welteke, head of the Bundesbank, said a preliminary review by
German regulators and bank researchers showed there were highly
suspicious sales of shares in airlines and insurance companies, along
with major trades in gold and oil markets, before Sept. 11 that suggest
they were conducted with advance knowledge of the attacks.

Welteke said his researchers came across what he considers almost
irrefutable proof of insider trading as recently as Thursday, but he
refused to release details pending further consultations with regulators
in other countries.

"What we found makes us sure that people connected to the terrorists
must have been trying to profit from this tragedy,'' he told European
finance ministers and central bankers."
http://www.webcom.com/hrin/magazine/brussels.html


Editor's note: The 9/11 Commission states in its Monograph on Terrorist
Financing, "The U.S. government investigation unequivocally concluded
that there was no evidence of illicit trading in the U.S. markets with
knowledge of the terrorist attacks. The Commission staff, after an
independent review of the government investigation, has discovered no
reason to doubt this conclusion." See also Paul Zarembka.


Bio: http://64.233.179.104:

Im not sure about that but....


_______________________________

Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force
fighter pilot (F-111, F-15E, F-16, B-1, F-18, Mig-29, and Suu-22). Flew
combat missions over Iraq. Former instructor at the USAF Fighter
Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program. 20-year Air
Force career.
Statement to this website 3/25/07: "After 4+ years of research since
retirement in 2002, I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September
11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous
perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government.
It is now time to take our country back.

The "collapse" of WTC Building 7 [610 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit
by an airplane] shows beyond any doubt that the demolitions were
pre-planned. There is simply no way to demolish a 47-story building (on
fire) over a coffee break. It is also impossible to report the
building’s collapse before it happened, as BBC News did, unless it was
pre-planned. Further damning evidence is Larry Silverstein's video
taped confession in which he states "they made that decision to pull
[WTC 7] and we watched the building collapse."

We cannot let the pursuit of justice fail. Those of us in the military
took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United
States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". Just because we have
retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our
responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11
and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes,
or how much we have to suffer to do it.

We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath,
and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now.
Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that
were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that
trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition
of treason!"


Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement:
"Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization
consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in
uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."


Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11
Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout
the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed
to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September
2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers
performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point
blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful
day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very
forthcoming with answers."


Website: http://www.myspace.com/supereagle69

the problem is shawdow, some people believe that this government should
kill hundreds of thousands of people over lies.

they love lies and they love to lick boots and grovel.

most that have replied to you here were used military butt wipe, just
like the traitor Kissinger said.

Kissinger said that they are worthless worms to be used.......

but some military men just dont get it.

they can be sprayed with agent orange in Nam or Depleted Uranium in the
Middle East, and the returning vets get shiq on...

but they still wave the flags.




my question is; Why are they ignoring their oath to the US Constitution?

yep, the best...yep

___________________________


Joe Shearin – WTC survivor. Assistant Chief Engineer at the World Trade
Center.

Article Chief Engineer 2002: "That morning a note had been left for Joe
by the Chief Engineer of the midnight to 8 a.m. shift telling him that a
tenant on the 38th floor wanted to see him as early as possible. So
after distributing the work orders to his staff, he entered one of the
tower's elevator cars and headed up into the building.

On the 38th floor, Joe Shearin exited the elevator and began his walk
down the hallway to meet with the tenant who had requested to see him.
About 50 feet down the hallway, he heard a loud explosion and was lifted
into the air. "I can't even tell you how far I traveled," he recalled.
When he landed, people were already coming out of their offices into the
hallway. "They were screaming, hollering," he said. "They were asking
what they should do and where they should go". Joe directed them down
the stairwells and out of the building. [Editor's note: At this point,
Mr. Shearin was on the 38th floor of the North Tower, approximately 650
feet below the airplane's point of impact at floors 93 to 98.]

What Joe first believed was that an equipment room on the 43rd floor,
which had an electrical substation, had blown up. He proceeded up the 5
floors to that level. Upon reaching the 43rd floor, "there were patches
of ceiling that was just down on the floor, water pipes were broken,
water was gushing like a brook or river that was just running down the
corridor of the machine room." [Editor's note: At this point, Mr.
Shearin was on the 43rd floor of the North Tower, approximately 600 feet
below the airplane's point of impact at floors 93 to
98.]http://www.chiefengineer.org


Editor's note: Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions
throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency
service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report
contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its
conclusions. Graeme MacQueen's analysis of oral histories of 9/11 taken
from 503 FDNY survivors reveals more than 100 FDNY personnel reported
explosions in the Twin Towers.

but...the funny thing is that war vets that flyed the 757s would never
give up their planes to teenagers with box-cutters. thats a joke.

__________________________________________


Kenneth Johannemann – WTC survivor. An American Building Maintenance
employee at the World Trade Center.
Statement to television reporter 9/11/01: Mr. Johannemann was in the
basement of the North Tower when the first plane impacted. "I was right
there. I was down in the basement. Came down. All of a sudden the
elevator blew up. Smoke. I dragged a guy out. His skin was hanging
off and I dragged him out and I helped him out to the ambulance."
[Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Johannemann was in the basement of
the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's point of
impact at floors 93 to 98.]
http://www.prisonplanet.com


Article 9/12/01: "Kenny Johannemann was in the the number one [North]
tower of the World Trade centre, waiting for the elevator in the
basement. [Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Johannemann was in the
basement of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the
airplane's point of impact at floors 93 to 98.]

It was shift-change time, the time of day when the building is most
crowded.

"The lift door exploded open. There was a man inside half burnt. His
skin was hanging off.

"I dragged him out of the lift and somebody helped me get him out for
the building." http://www.smh.com.au


Editor's note: Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions
throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency
service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report
contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its
conclusions. Graeme MacQueen's analysis of oral histories of 9/11 taken
from 503 FDNY survivors reveals more than 100 FDNY personnel reported
explosions in the Twin Towers.

like I said before artist.


YOU WIN

Yes AB, but you never responded to the thread, you "driffted off" like
you always do.

im really glad that this post will keep going so others will see how
this artist loves other victims, esp. people here that had her children
stolen from the "system" that is to bad for her and others.


pathetic

this artist has honor in hurting more victims.

yep....impossible.....

just CRAZY box-cutter guys kicked our asses


____________________________________

Mike Pecoraro – WTC survivor. Stationary Engineer who performed
services in all of the buildings at the World Trade Center.

Article Chief Engineer 2002: Mike Pecoraro and a co-worker were working
in the sub-basement of the North Tower when the first airplane hit.
"They had been told to stay where they were and "sit tight" until the
Assistant Chief got back to them. By this time, however, the room they
were working in began to fill with a white smoke. "We smelled kerosene,"
Mike recalled, "I was thinking maybe a car fire was upstairs", referring
to the parking garage located below grade in the tower but above the
deep space where they were working. [Editor's note: At this point, Mr.
Pecoraro was in the sub-basement of the North Tower, approximately 1,100
feet below the airplane's impact point at floors 93 to 98.]

The two decided to ascend the stairs to the C level, to a small machine
shop where Vito Deleo and David Williams were supposed to be working.
When the two arrived at the C level, they found the machine shop gone.

"There was nothing there but rubble, " Mike said. "We're talking about a
50 ton hydraulic press? gone!" The two began yelling for their
co-workers, but there was no answer. They saw a perfect line of smoke
streaming through the air. "You could stand here," he said, "and two
inches over you couldn't breathe. We couldn't see through the smoke so
we started screaming." But there was still no answer.

The two made their way to the parking garage, but found that it, too,
was gone. "There were no walls, there was rubble on the floor, and you
can't see anything" he said. [Editor's note: At this point, Mr.
Pecoraro was in the basement of the North Tower, approximately 1,100
feet below the airplane's point of impact at floors 93 to 98.]

They decided to ascend two more levels to the building's lobby. As they
ascended to the B Level, one floor above, they were astonished to see a
steel and concrete fire door that weighed about 300 pounds, wrinkled up
"like a piece of aluminum foil" and lying on the floor. "They got us
again," Mike told his co-worker, referring to the terrorist attack at
the center in 1993. Having been through that bombing, Mike recalled
seeing similar things happen to the building's structure. He was
convinced a bomb had gone off in the building. Mike walked through the
open doorway and found two people lying on the floor. One was a female
Carpenter and the other an Elevator Operator. They were both badly
burned and injured." http://www.chiefengineer.org


Editor's note: Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions
throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency
service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report
contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its
conclusions. Graeme MacQueen's analysis of oral histories of 9/11 taken
from 503 FDNY survivors reveals more than 100 FDNY personnel reported
explosions in the Twin Towers.

im an artist too, but I have respect.

yep, your an artist.