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Many would disagree that God is a myth. If that is your belief that is fine. But stop pretending it is a stayement of fact. There is no basis for that belief exceptactually having that belief. Just like those who believe in god should stop pretending it's a fact he exists? Most Christians state it as a belief. Even look at the Catholic Churches creed. The first line is. I BELIEVE IN one God. Right there it says believe. That is why it's called faith. Because if you knew for sure then you couldn't have faith. faith and fact are opposites... saying there are bears in the woods is a fact, saying there are dragons is faith... just because someone believes something doesn't make it a fact... you argued that in the 911 treads... faith and fact are not opposites,, I have faith my dad is my dad but I never had a dna test to PROVE it. THAt has nothing to do with whether a dna test would indeed prove my belief to be true. people can have faith in many things and some may turn out to be factual and some may not. ummm... if you have faith that your dad is your father, then you don't know.... not a fact... so you believe if I dont see the tree in a forest, the tree is not a fact? not actual?..... I disagree actuality isnt dependent upon whats been proven, or personally observed a fact will be a fact from its existence, not from its discovery,, |
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Agnostics believe that the existence of god is unknown, correct? Rather than lacking belief that there is a god. those words have become subjectively used over the years, depends upon whom you ask my source, WEbsters dictionary ,, says this atheist: one who believes THERE IS NO DEITY agnostic: a person who believes that any ultimate reality (like God)is unknown and probably unknowable |
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Jon Lovitz On Obama
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maybe when he is Cheech and Chongs age,, but for now, (like the younger cheech and chong)it seems like the pot is pretty central to the image that earns his income,, Because Knuckleheads support him! because knuckleheads relate to him and his 'talent' just like they did Britney Spears or any other imperfect or odd entertainer in history,,, |
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am I taking CRAZY PILLS? seriously let me repost the significant difference once more An black 18-year-old suspected of a violent attack on a white teen told Chicago police the beating was motivated by his anger over the Trayvon Martin case in Florida, MyFoxChicago reports. Alton Hayes III was charged with a hate crime after he and a 15-year-old attacked the 19-year-old man at about 1:00 a.m. on April 17 in Oak Park, a Chicago suburb. ...ASSUMING he was just charged today,,, the person is not DEAD and the charge took all of nine days to bring forth,,,, REPEAT,,, noone was KILLED and someone was held ACCOUNTABLE for the harm that was done rather expediently,,, I know. It is so terrible when any type of violence is motivated by racism. I am sure that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will be on this immediately. its not the motivation that caused the support and uproar it was the ABSENCE of action on the crime,,,,, The hell it is. A black person could stub their toe and good ol' Jessie and Al will be all over it. obviously , they would be quite overworked if that were true they have and always will be 'all over' issues that are close to them in some way just as lp officers can sometimes be all over the 'thugs' they are so expert at identifying as well as what the solution should be for handling them,,, You obviously have NO CLUE what Loss Prevention Agents do or what their job is if you think it's all about catching shoplifters. That is just PART of what we do. when did I mention shoplifters?,,,,,interesting.... You said all over thugs a obvious reference to shoplifters. That is about a 3rd of what I do BTW. thugs is a reference to shoplifters? I wasnt aware,,,,  You and I both know what you were referencing. You can try to play it off if you want but I call BS.
spooky dude,,,very spooky debating someone about what they mean when they explained what they meant,,, exactly the 'I know exactly what they are' overzealous mentality people in authority positions sometimes get,,,, |
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Dershowitz said she was obligated to include any and all pertinent evidence. Im not sure what law this person studied or what documents he was privy to being not on the case, but this is BLATANTLY false in regards to bringing charges 'all' the evidence does not have to be included in the initial filing,, I am confident an actual CURRENT PROSECUTOR AND JUDGE are aware of the mandates,,,,,law professor or not,, So you know more then an accomplished attorney? Interesting. the piece says he is a LAW PROFESSOR (used to be attorney) it would be interesting if he knew more than a CURRENT sitting judge and prosecutor... He still is admitted to the bar and the Supreme Court. Maybe you should look at a couple of the cases he won including a huge case that was adapted into a major motion picture. last one I found was in 1984...(unless you count his counsel to OJ in 1995) as I said the CURRENT legal representatives of Florida probably are more aware of Florida mandates than a Harvard Law Professor So your saying a Harvard Law Professor doesn't know what he's talking about? Becareful your talking about the same law school taught by the same people that your savior attended. Oh yeah, he was counsel on a case in 2006 for Jeffrey Epstein on a major sex offense case that got bumped down to a single BS count. The guy knows what he is doing and what he is talking about. what case has he won in FLORIDA in the past ten years? Im saying a law professor who has not worked in Florida law, or as an actual lawyer(as opposed to a counsel to the lawyers) in over a decade, probably doesnt know as much about what the Florida courts require as a sitting Florida judge,,,and prosecutor,,, Who cares? WHat case did Johnny Cochran win in the other VARIOUS states he represented people in(Other then California and New York). he is not making claims about Johnny Cochran,, an inactive attorney from Massachusetts, is probably not more knowledgable about filing mandates in Florida as a sitting and current judge and prosecutor.... |
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A question of tolerance...
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few people are not 'tolerant' of religion or lack of religion people just have opinions about them we live in a country where there is no choice but to 'tolerate',,,basically So in essence if say I started a religion based on PURE hedonism, I mean an absolute desire of fulfilling personal self indulgences of any kind, and preach that in hedonism you can do no wrong. Now one of my faithful desires to murder and rape women, NO! Let's really up the stakes, likes to murder and rape little boys under 7 years old because their screaming makes him get off. Now lets say that because of religious tenant of hedonism that person has done nothing wrong and our church supports his actions. Now in normal society we would be aghast at someone doing something like this to someone. Worst and ultimately hypocritically that church would be branded a cult. Could you tolerate a religion where "Anything" goes? ESPECIALLY knowing that it could very well be you who something happens to next? How fine is the line between religion and cult? As far as I see it myself i see them both as very reflexive terms. It just matters on scale mostly. It is one thing to tolerate a person of Islamic heritage since all people can change. People are entitled to make mistakes as long as they don't harm one another BUT to blindly accept a faith who preaches the core values that Islam does? I am not a big fan of "Agape" or blind tolerance of anything. Would Christianity be less tolerable if it preached subjugation and murder? Lying cheating and stealing from anyone of any faith is wrong by Christian standards but does Islam draw the same moral lines? If you say yes I am going to dump a lot of passages from the Quaran on you that say otherwise. So are you confusing tolerance for a person or tolerance for a faith practice? re posted for clarity few people are not 'tolerant' of religion or lack of religion people just have opinions about them we live in a country where there is no choice but to 'tolerate',,,basically when talking BELIEFS, which is how I understand the context of religion, I feel few people have a choice but to be tolerant of others beliefs when it comes to ACTIONS, which I see as a seperate issue from religion, we only have to be as 'tolerant' as the constitution and the law declares,,,, mans law trumps beliefs or personal choice,,,,,, |
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One mans civil rights activist is another man's race-baiter. Why do blacks riot and destroy their neighborhoods? lol why do whites riot and destroy their sporting events? neither were taught better methods of anger management or better ways to vent their emotions,,, |
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Or any of those folks who DARE talk about racism or race relations in AMerica,,,, 'creating' all that division that just wouldnt be there without them,,,,,,, 
If you tell someone every day that everyone not like him hates him, he will eventually feel that hate, real or not. It happens with white supremacists, we can all admit that. But it's somehow unbelievable when I say that Al Sharpton and other racial hucksters do the same thing? ID say Ive never heard that message from them and certainly not heard ANYTHING from them anywhere close to EVERYDAY.... Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were well read enough to have heard some of the racist and shocking things that Al Sharpton had said and to know what hyperbole was. ID imagine any statement they have made that 'EVERYONE NOT LIKE YOU HATES YOU',,,,are probably rare enough that I have not personally come across them in reading or any other media and we are in agreement that the 'everyday' statement is an exaggeration which doesnt really apply in fact to the discussion at hand,,, |
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Or any of those folks who DARE talk about racism or race relations in AMerica,,,, 'creating' all that division that just wouldnt be there without them,,,,,,,
If you tell someone every day that everyone not like him hates him, he will eventually feel that hate, real or not. It happens with white supremacists, we can all admit that. But it's somehow unbelievable when I say that Al Sharpton and other racial hucksters do the same thing? ID say Ive never heard that message from them and certainly not heard ANYTHING from them anywhere close to EVERYDAY.... |
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Good old Allie-Oop kind of implied Zim is almost one of his kind so, he wants to cut his hispanic bro some slack
similarity to WHAT? who is allie oop? his kind of what? who else is hispanic in this conversation? |
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Or any of those folks who DARE talk about racism or race relations in AMerica,,,,
'creating' all that division that just wouldnt be there without them,,,,,,,
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huh? fact: something that has actual existence thats it there are many unknown facts being discovered everyday. ANd no, not everything we believe is a fact, but some of the things we believe are a fact (as in ACTUAL AND REAL) if the dna came back positive its a fact that my dad is my dad,, the dna didnt make it a fact, it was already a fact, the dna just helps PROVE Its a fact before the proof comes the belief,,,but the fact is constant "fact" may also indicate an "allegation or stipulation" of something that may or may not be a "true fact",[6] (e.g., "the author's facts are not trustworthy"). This alternate usage, although contested by some, has a long history in standard English.[7] ok, well im using fact in the historical context of something that is 'actual'.... and even in the above definition, this would not be the opposite of a belief,,,, |
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am I taking CRAZY PILLS? seriously let me repost the significant difference once more An black 18-year-old suspected of a violent attack on a white teen told Chicago police the beating was motivated by his anger over the Trayvon Martin case in Florida, MyFoxChicago reports. Alton Hayes III was charged with a hate crime after he and a 15-year-old attacked the 19-year-old man at about 1:00 a.m. on April 17 in Oak Park, a Chicago suburb. ...ASSUMING he was just charged today,,, the person is not DEAD and the charge took all of nine days to bring forth,,,, REPEAT,,, noone was KILLED and someone was held ACCOUNTABLE for the harm that was done rather expediently,,, I know. It is so terrible when any type of violence is motivated by racism. I am sure that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will be on this immediately. its not the motivation that caused the support and uproar it was the ABSENCE of action on the crime,,,,, The hell it is. A black person could stub their toe and good ol' Jessie and Al will be all over it. obviously , they would be quite overworked if that were true they have and always will be 'all over' issues that are close to them in some way just as lp officers can sometimes be all over the 'thugs' they are so expert at identifying as well as what the solution should be for handling them,,, You obviously have NO CLUE what Loss Prevention Agents do or what their job is if you think it's all about catching shoplifters. That is just PART of what we do. when did I mention shoplifters?,,,,,interesting.... You said all over thugs a obvious reference to shoplifters. That is about a 3rd of what I do BTW. thugs is a reference to shoplifters? I wasnt aware,,,, |
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IM glad this presidency has the unique position of educating americans to how a JOB, even in the white office, rarely requires one to literally sit AT THEIR DESK 24 hours a day
why, in this age of technology, they actually have skype, cell phones, visual conference, and all types of nifty gadgets that make it possible to do 'business' just about at any location when needed,,,, |
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no clue what that even means,, but ok
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are you suggesting there is no racial divide on justice? seriously? I'm suggesting that if such a divide exists, it has not been proven. Until it's proven, you are welcome to take it at faith, but I will not. well, if you think Sharpton is responsible for that divide,,,so be it,,,its amazing though cause I thought you more well read than that,,, Sharpton isn't responsible for the racial divide. In biology terms, Sharpton is a form of parasite that keeps wounds open on black Americans so that he can feed on them. ok |
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Im thinking of an old phrase,,, damned if you do, damned if you dont,, Have Al Sharpton drop the racial divisive language and I would have been pleasantly surprised. But as long as he's claiming that a racial divide on justice exists, he's just throwing fuel on the fire and shouting at it to go out. are you suggesting there is no racial divide on justice? seriously? well, if you think Sharpton is responsible for that divide,,,so be it,,,its amazing though cause I thought you more well read than that,,, |
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huh?
fact: something that has actual existence thats it there are many unknown facts being discovered everyday. ANd no, not everything we believe is a fact, but some of the things we believe are a fact (as in ACTUAL AND REAL) if the dna came back positive its a fact that my dad is my dad,, the dna didnt make it a fact, it was already a fact, the dna just helps PROVE Its a fact before the proof comes the belief,,,but the fact is constant |
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Im thinking of an old phrase,,,
damned if you do, damned if you dont,, |
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Many would disagree that God is a myth. If that is your belief that is fine. But stop pretending it is a stayement of fact. There is no basis for that belief exceptactually having that belief. Just like those who believe in god should stop pretending it's a fact he exists? Most Christians state it as a belief. Even look at the Catholic Churches creed. The first line is. I BELIEVE IN one God. Right there it says believe. That is why it's called faith. Because if you knew for sure then you couldn't have faith. faith and fact are opposites... saying there are bears in the woods is a fact, saying there are dragons is faith... just because someone believes something doesn't make it a fact... you argued that in the 911 treads... faith and fact are not opposites,, I have faith my dad is my dad but I never had a dna test to PROVE it. THAt has nothing to do with whether a dna test would indeed prove my belief to be true. people can have faith in many things and some may turn out to be factual and some may not. |
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