Is it smart to blindly tolerate or give tolerance to any faith practice that teaches deception, murder, and a host of other things we know as civilized people are morally and ethically wrong as the core and fundamental values of its belief system? I am not singling out any one faith in particular because this is an ethics question.

Now there are two halves of this question/ issue. One is tolerance for a religion one knows nothing about. Second is tolerance for a faith you read their "Bible" "Manifest" "Mantra" (whatever) and what you read is, to say the least, appalling to a person of education.

I am coming from a place of knowing about the faith from reading its bible but frankly I also am interested in the concepts of blind tolerance. Is blind tolerance really justifiable?

So before I shoot my mouth off let us see what everyone else has to say!

I think that your terminology "blind" tolerance is the problem.
There is no such thing. Tolerance is never "blind". Tolerance is
by its very nature open minded and educated.

When we use the word tolerance it means that we accept that others
may have differing religious views and that we respect ALL others
rights to observe their own religion.

"Religious Tolerance" MEANS that NO SINGLE religion has the RIGHT to IMPOSE their religious doctrine on anyone else!!

Obviously this also means that such rights are not given blindly
but with educated respect and with the inherent expectation that
ALL members of a tolerant society deserve EQUAL respect.

Christians must be allowed to practice their religion, Jews theirs.
Muslims likewise and Atheists denial of God must also be tolerated.
No one is FORCED to observe any religious doctrine and laws of
the state must never be enacted to enforce one religion over the
other.

OK OK what about Devil Worship and the Religion of those who
believe in disobeying all societies' laws, suicide cults and
other such nutjobs?

Well, I say that as long as they do not attempt to impose their
decidely pathological ideation on anyone else then I guess they
have the right to their own beliefs. But brain washers and suicide
cults and anarchists would have to go as their intent is to deny
others freedom to observe independently and deny others the benefits
of civilized society with a generally accepted legal system.

Religious tolerance is a GOOD thing. And Muslims deserve the same
respect as everyone else - but that does NOT mean that Radical
Islamists have the right to impose their religious doctrine such
as wearing of the hijab on the rest of us - nor do they have the
right to hide behind the hijab in public where it affects everyone
else - when the obstructive garment could interfere with safety
or identification. Also, no laws can be enacted on the basis of
Sharia or any other purely religious doctrine. ALL religions must
respect the rights of others to observe in their own way and
we have a good system to achieve this in our society.

Live and let live. Freedom. Separation of Church and State.
No one religion or group allowed to dictate to or dominate others.

I think peoples beliefs are their personal business, and that beliefs dont need to be tolerated unless they turn into behavior

then I think certain actual behaviors exhibited by an individual may or may not be wise to tolerate,,,,

What you said above that you believe that people's beliefs
are their personal business is a statement that you support
religious tolerance. That is exactly what religious tolerance
means. It does not mean that you support others points of view.

If you respect others rights to their personal religious beliefs
then you tolerate them and this is the definition of religious
tolerance as long as it does not affect others rights.

What people do in public which do affect others rights is a matter of legal jurisdiction and has nothing to do with religious tolerance.

There is only one verb 'to tolerate' and one adjective 'tolerant', but the two nouns 'tolerance' and 'toleration' have evolved slightly different meanings. Tolerance is an attitude of mind that implies non-judgmental acceptance of different lifestyles or beliefs, whereas toleration implies putting up with something that one disapproves of.

Problem is, if the entire reason you aren't tolerating something is based on religion......then you are stepping into their personal business in effect which you really have no place doing.

huh?

You said the behaviors may or may not be wise to tolerate, and I am simply saying if you aren't tolerating them SOLELY based on a religious belief, that is wrong.

yeah, and quite difficult

people generally apply past experience or knowledge to what they read and learn to justify whether it makes sense to them, thats kind of how logic works

I dont think many people are SOLELY intolerant because of a 'religious' belief because I dont think 'religious' beliefs exist in a vaccum or are owned exclusively by religion,,,,

Religious intolerance of spiritual principles is important to our meetings as inevitably we have those who wish to play god. Our leaders are but trusted servants and do not govern. At our last meeting I asked our new comer how it felt to try to control a whole room full of control freaks and he just laughed. Freedom of individual speech is awesome but the chair has to have control for the group or it turns into total chaos.

But again what if the core tenants of a faith are to lie, kill, harm, and do mean things to those NOT of your faith? Christians are annoying but they don't have a holy war on everyone else. Can you tolerate a faith out to either force you to their way or kill you?

But again what if the core tenants of a faith are to lie, kill, harm, and do mean things to those NOT of your faith? Christians are annoying but they don't have a holy war on everyone else. Can you tolerate a faith out to either force you to their way or kill you?

Im not aware of such a universal faith

most FAITHS Im aware of have books with many doctrines that can and have been interpreted many ways depending upon who reads them,,,,

Are you sure? Read your history Andy. Every Religion that man places upon the Foundation that is God has cycles.

Christianity was as is Islam now (and also attempted to 'subdue' the world of men at a point in its history). Holy war is neither holy nor is it 'war' it is the vain pursuit of men based upon false interpretation of the Word given so they may 'control' as though they were God.

When next you read the Quran take not the interpretation of men as a 'gospel' upon it.

Change instead the word Sword from a weapon of steel to what it is.

The Sword of Allah cuts not nor does it force for it is the Word.

See Jihad for what it IS and not what men place upon it as a Vile Garment.

Jihad is the struggle of the INDIVIDUAL against the wispering of his own vainity... The only true Jihad is that which occures between a man and his PERSONAL faults (Each man has his own evil... Each man has a duty to battle THAT evil and not the 'evil' of his neighbor - which only Allah judges).

In time Islam will see also this truth as did the Church of Peter... Islam will 'cycle' into peace.

In my opinion, blind tolerance cannot be justifiable when applicable to the subject of faith. Faith must be tolerated in society.

For, to justify something a person sets out to show or prove something. And, if you accept something, anything blindly there is no justification. As well, faith comes down to interpretation to understand it, which are many in this world, faith which is abstract not concrete, something not proven is given by testimony or what is called "inspired" writings.


Now, looking at your question, the third element involved, faith, makes your question unanswerable in my opinion. That is where trouble steps in. For, to understand oneone's faith their Bible, Koran etc... it has to be read and interpreted, with thought as well to, and it is known that within ones' own belief or faith (there are over 1600 religions varying in teachings), interpretations do and will vary thus, we see so many groups and still splitting off the branches of religion today over the centuries with difference to the teachings, what each believes from their own faith book source.

So, if one decides to shoot off their mouth ... you have no justification thus tolerance of all beliefs is to be the accepted practise deemed and so by governments towards the citizens. The definition of "tolerance" has changed over time that is the borders of tolerance has expanded and will continue to do so I imagine as time goes on. For, who is right in their belief is an unanswerable. Sure some appeal to the senses and for the common good of mankind to be better than others. Tolerance does not exclude but inclusive of all, is what is tolerance.

Therefore, you have no grounds to stand on to release your anger out on others. You have no authority to judge interpretations and what it truly means, no one really does when it comes to faith or beliefs. FAtih is an abstract and not concrete subject, and not black nor white, nor cut and dry, neither no proof or evidence just testimonies.

Even if known indoctrination occurs from birth in belief systems and inbred throughout generations and, a faith or belief system opposes what the majority of other faith belief systems, even so, tolerance cannot have exclusions but applys to all. For one faith encompasses good and bad. For a religion of which may appear as good or bad will see others as bad and their religion as good and vice versa.

Does other people's belief system(s) tie other people's hands who make major decisions in the world and want to do something? Yes. Does it anger others? Yes. Life and what people do in life, can appear as plain crazyiness but yet to another not, as in regards to belief systems! What can you do for the way the world is structure by mankind throughout the centuries, nothing.

A lot of things in this world is not fair, nor right and each to their own eyes. But to expel anger only hurts yourself really and individually. Your anger will not change matters but will just add fuel to the fire especially on the internet which is a highway to the world to view therefore you may will offend others or even initiate an unwanted action in your life or others' lives. People justify in their minds their own faith and actions.

Let it go, vent privately in such matters. Vent privately for your own good or sake and for others' sake. You ask if it is smart to tolerate, to this I say, yes it is smart to tolerate for my reasons I have given. This what I have to say.

Being wise is better in some circumstances than being smart.

Andy B Good be wise?

The world needs more contributors of peace, peacemakers in the world than contenders of strife, war, hatred, which the world is full of and growing in number.

Even if one possess intelligence, which is a capability for all, wisdom I believe overrules in this circumstance.

you then clearly have not read a Quaran then. Read up on conduct pertaining towards infidels.

there is similar conduct in my bible

the interpretation lies in whether one perceives it as an absolute instruction/commandment or a specific instruction to specific group for a specific circumstance,,,

See i have read the quran and the bible.What gets me is both basically have in it if you don't believe in their beliefs you are worthless and well be punished,rather it be from their God or their followers.It's really that simple no other way to interpret that except for what it is.

Yes followers will try to pull wool over your eyes with all the dog and pony show verses but it's the genocidal verses and the immoral verses that they seem to skip unless they get pissed.

And then when you bring up the genocidal or immoral verses they start coming up with their own interpretations of why it's written like that.