there is similar conduct in my bible

the interpretation lies in whether one perceives it as an absolute instruction/commandment or a specific instruction to specific group for a specific circumstance,,,

http://infidelsarecool.com/2006/12/overwhelming-evidence-of-i/
Some additional light reading.


Personally I feel that accepting ANYTHING blindly is stupid. I can tolerate a faith that allows tolerance or compassion as a core tenant.

Christians just want to convert me. Islamics want to convert or kill me. Heck, I can tolerate Scientology even though it is annoying. But Islam, tolerate it after reading stuff like this???

Tolerance is a two way street. Education will be the undoing of religion as we know it but that will take time.

I cannot blame a religion like Christianity for having jerks like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton who spew racial hate through their religious values and hate the entire faith since Christianity does not really advocate hatred (latter on in its passages). But what of a faith that spews hatred for all others like Islam does?

KORAN commands to kill infidels:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43

If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15

Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)

Volume 1-The Old Testament(the main message is "disobey God and not convert to a Jew"you'll suffer.)

Volume 2-The New Testament (main message "if you don't accept Jesus as the messiah then you'll suffer.)

Volume 3-The Quran (main message "if you don't obey Allah and convert to islam you'll suffer.)

Volume 4-The RKISIT Testament (main message "if you believe in the 3 volumes of the 3 abrahamic religions you're a sucker.)

Absolutely incorrect about 1 and 2.

Volume 1, It has absolutely nothing to do with being a "jew" or not.
Volume 2, This is not true. There is no "suffering" in that exact sense. People either receive the gift of Eternal life, or they die. There is no eternal torture in a ball of fire.

it's a lake of fire according to Revelations.I didn't say you'll suffer after death God will play his supposive games with you.

You said -
"if you don't accept Jesus as the messiah then you'll suffer."

And this is not the case. You will just die, period. No suffering, no torture.


Revelations 20:14
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death

but after this supposive second resurrection if you still don't believe you suffer so no matter how you manipulate it sooner or later you suffer or are punished.

This verse presented was after the resurrection. There is no eternal suffering. There is eternal punishment, which is eternal death. But there is no eternal torture or anything of such. You either receive eternal life or receive with eternal death.

oh yeah what was i thinking i forgot the Judaic God lets his own people suffer such as in the holcaust and the inquisition.My bad.

It's called free will. It's not God's fault people did that sort of thing. It's man's fault, and the ones involved will have to deal with that at judgement. So what's your point? Would you rather us have been made already programmed robots that purely only obey God?

Well God did help them escape from the egyptians and God repurified the earth with the floods so God did help also he gave you christians his only begotten son so where is the freewill in that?

Free will only pertains to an action YOU do. Where was anyone's free will taken away in any of these examples you presented? Free will means we are not puppets, we are not robots, we are not controlled by something or someone. We choose what we do and how we do things. Thus why we will be "judged" on the choices we have made.

Explain how any of these examples took anyone's free will away. Where in any of this does it say God "possessed" someone and controled them without their thought in the action(s).

So Jobs story and Balaams talking donkey story wasn't the action of God?

Still took no one's free will away. Please explain.

Free will only pertains to an action YOU do. Where was anyone's free will taken away in any of these examples you presented? Free will means we are not puppets, we are not robots, we are not controlled by something or someone. We choose what we do and how we do things. Thus why we will be "judged" on the choices we have made.

Explain how any of these examples took anyone's free will away. Where in any of this does it say God "possessed" someone and controled them without their thought in the action(s).