Topic: A question of tolerance...
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Thu 04/19/12 06:12 PM

Let it go, vent privately in such matters. Vent privately for your own good or sake and for others' sake. You ask if it is smart to tolerate, to this I say, yes it is smart to tolerate for my reasons I have given. This what I have to say.






let it go?there will be peace when there is no Abrahamic religion.
RKISIT 69:19

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Thu 04/19/12 06:12 PM





I think peoples beliefs are their personal business, and that beliefs dont need to be tolerated unless they turn into behavior

then I think certain actual behaviors exhibited by an individual may or may not be wise to tolerate,,,,


Problem is, if the entire reason you aren't tolerating something is based on religion......then you are stepping into their personal business in effect which you really have no place doing.


But again what if the core tenants of a faith are to lie, kill, harm, and do mean things to those NOT of your faith? Christians are annoying but they don't have a holy war on everyone else. Can you tolerate a faith out to either force you to their way or kill you?



Im not aware of such a universal faith

most FAITHS Im aware of have books with many doctrines that can and have been interpreted many ways depending upon who reads them,,,,


you then clearly have not read a Quaran then. Read up on conduct pertaining towards infidels.


One uses the Sword of Allah to bring them to the Light. However if you think that means to do unto them physical harm then you have been blinded by the Beast of War or its hatred.

The Sword of Allah is the Same as the Sword of Christ... The Word... The Word harms not but heals.

If a man follow the tenets of the Quaran then it is not by force of arms that one brings a person to the light... Rather it is by living the word in your deeds so they may see the path.

Cutting off of the Head with the sword applies to the spritual body and not that of the physical. Any Imam that claim otherwise is but following the sands of inequity piled upon the Rock of Islam by the Choice at the Well.

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Thu 04/19/12 06:27 PM






I think peoples beliefs are their personal business, and that beliefs dont need to be tolerated unless they turn into behavior

then I think certain actual behaviors exhibited by an individual may or may not be wise to tolerate,,,,


Problem is, if the entire reason you aren't tolerating something is based on religion......then you are stepping into their personal business in effect which you really have no place doing.


But again what if the core tenants of a faith are to lie, kill, harm, and do mean things to those NOT of your faith? Christians are annoying but they don't have a holy war on everyone else. Can you tolerate a faith out to either force you to their way or kill you?



Im not aware of such a universal faith

most FAITHS Im aware of have books with many doctrines that can and have been interpreted many ways depending upon who reads them,,,,


you then clearly have not read a Quaran then. Read up on conduct pertaining towards infidels.


One uses the Sword of Allah to bring them to the Light. However if you think that means to do unto them physical harm then you have been blinded by the Beast of War or its hatred.

The Sword of Allah is the Same as the Sword of Christ... The Word... The Word harms not but heals.

If a man follow the tenets of the Quaran then it is not by force of arms that one brings a person to the light... Rather it is by living the word in your deeds so they may see the path.

Cutting off of the Head with the sword applies to the spritual body and not that of the physical. Any Imam that claim otherwise is but following the sands of inequity piled upon the Rock of Islam by the Choice at the Well.
did you also know that the Quran states "Jews are the greediest people of all mankind,they wish to live for 1,000 years,they are going to hell." it's in the Quran you should read about what Allah wants to do to Israel it gets nasty.

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Thu 04/19/12 06:34 PM
Edited by RKISIT on Thu 04/19/12 06:42 PM
The point is Islam doesn't believe Jews are Gods chosen people and if they(jews) or any nonmuslim for that matter doesn't accept Allah they are punished.

Same goes for christianity if you don't accept Jesus you will be punished.

The Judaic God will punish you if you don't believe in him.

Thing with christianity you have to accept God and Jesus or you're chit out of luck.

I don't believe in any of it so which hell am i going to?the Islamic hell or the Judaic christian hell?

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Thu 04/19/12 07:57 PM
Edited by WholesomeWoman on Thu 04/19/12 08:18 PM


Let it go, vent privately in such matters. Vent privately for your own good or sake and for others' sake. You ask if it is smart to tolerate, to this I say, yes it is smart to tolerate for my reasons I have given. This what I have to say.






let it go?there will be peace when there is no Abrahamic religion.
RKISIT 69:19


Andy asks if it is smart or not before he goes further in what he wants to say. He is checking out his thinking maybe and asking what others think.

I say if you are smart, let it go. There is no exclusion to whom we may or not tolerate.

Let it go, for it is not about smarts. Let it go and why I said it, and if you read all what I wrote gives you why I think so he asks for people to do so in wanting to know what others think first.

RKISIT you are off topic, assuming and taking this thread into your own direction, taking people off the topic and making it into your own thread of and quoting you, "there will be peace when there is no Abrahamic religion. RKISIT 69:19".

Andy asked a question and it was not pertaining to a specific faith group.

Start a new thread with the topic you are leading others on to agrue about. Or, get back on the topic.

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Thu 04/19/12 09:15 PM

The point is Islam doesn't believe Jews are Gods chosen people and if they(jews) or any nonmuslim for that matter doesn't accept Allah they are punished.

Same goes for christianity if you don't accept Jesus you will be punished.

The Judaic God will punish you if you don't believe in him.

Thing with christianity you have to accept God and Jesus or you're chit out of luck.

I don't believe in any of it so which hell am i going to?the Islamic hell or the Judaic christian hell?

The Mansion of Many Rooms (and a multitude of Fragrant Gardens).

God measures the heart and not the religion.

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Thu 04/19/12 09:47 PM
Edited by RKISIT on Thu 04/19/12 09:51 PM



Let it go, vent privately in such matters. Vent privately for your own good or sake and for others' sake. You ask if it is smart to tolerate, to this I say, yes it is smart to tolerate for my reasons I have given. This what I have to say.






let it go?there will be peace when there is no Abrahamic religion.
RKISIT 69:19


Andy asks if it is smart or not before he goes further in what he wants to say. He is checking out his thinking maybe and asking what others think.

I say if you are smart, let it go. There is no exclusion to whom we may or not tolerate.

Let it go, for it is not about smarts. Let it go and why I said it, and if you read all what I wrote gives you why I think so he asks for people to do so in wanting to know what others think first.

RKISIT you are off topic, assuming and taking this thread into your own direction, taking people off the topic and making it into your own thread of and quoting you, "there will be peace when there is no Abrahamic religion. RKISIT 69:19".

Andy asked a question and it was not pertaining to a specific faith group.

Start a new thread with the topic you are leading others on to agrue about. Or, get back on the topic.
and that specific faith group is part of the abrahamic cult and what you view as going off topic Andy should be giving his opinion not you cause basically this isn't your thread.I never went off topic i posted many of times in a thread about tolerance and was explaining how tolerance is viewed through the eyes of an atheist if you can't accept that then go pray to your myth you have faith in.

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Thu 04/19/12 11:19 PM

See i have read the quran and the bible.What gets me is both basically have in it if you don't believe in their beliefs you are worthless and well be punished,rather it be from their God or their followers.It's really that simple no other way to interpret that except for what it is.



basically,,,is a word that introduces some subjective interpretation,,which means there are OTHERS.......

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Thu 04/19/12 11:25 PM
Edited by WholesomeWoman on Thu 04/19/12 11:41 PM




Let it go, vent privately in such matters. Vent privately for your own good or sake and for others' sake. You ask if it is smart to tolerate, to this I say, yes it is smart to tolerate for my reasons I have given. This what I have to say.






let it go?there will be peace when there is no Abrahamic religion.
RKISIT 69:19


Andy asks if it is smart or not before he goes further in what he wants to say. He is checking out his thinking maybe and asking what others think.

I say if you are smart, let it go. There is no exclusion to whom we may or not tolerate.

Let it go, for it is not about smarts. Let it go and why I said it, and if you read all what I wrote gives you why I think so he asks for people to do so in wanting to know what others think first.

RKISIT you are off topic, assuming and taking this thread into your own direction, taking people off the topic and making it into your own thread of and quoting you, "there will be peace when there is no Abrahamic religion. RKISIT 69:19".

Andy asked a question and it was not pertaining to a specific faith group.

Start a new thread with the topic you are leading others on to agrue about. Or, get back on the topic.

and that specific faith group is part of the abrahamic cult and what you view as going off topic Andy should be giving his opinion not you cause basically this isn't your thread.I never went off topic i posted many of times in a thread about tolerance and was explaining how tolerance is viewed through the eyes of an atheist if you can't accept that then go pray to your myth you have faith in.


Precisely it is neither our thread. I merely asked you to stay on topic when you quoted me trying to get me involved by referencing something I said "let it go" in answering a question Andy posed and nothing to do with your line of thought in singling out one specific group of people.

Again, do not drag me into your line of thought using my words to start an agruement which has no remote connection to the question posed. I do will want to partake in your nonsense adnd I do not accept your rudeness.

There is a proper way to debate too, one is being respectful of all and not to bash in your assumption of what their position on faith is. For, it is not a matter either in this topic if one is an atheist, a non-athesit, a person of some type of faith, an agnostic or whatever for that is not the issue at hand either. Thank you.

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Thu 04/19/12 11:41 PM




Let it go, vent privately in such matters. Vent privately for your own good or sake and for others' sake. You ask if it is smart to tolerate, to this I say, yes it is smart to tolerate for my reasons I have given. This what I have to say.






let it go?there will be peace when there is no Abrahamic religion.
RKISIT 69:19


Andy asks if it is smart or not before he goes further in what he wants to say. He is checking out his thinking maybe and asking what others think.

I say if you are smart, let it go. There is no exclusion to whom we may or not tolerate.

Let it go, for it is not about smarts. Let it go and why I said it, and if you read all what I wrote gives you why I think so he asks for people to do so in wanting to know what others think first.

RKISIT you are off topic, assuming and taking this thread into your own direction, taking people off the topic and making it into your own thread of and quoting you, "there will be peace when there is no Abrahamic religion. RKISIT 69:19".

Andy asked a question and it was not pertaining to a specific faith group.

Start a new thread with the topic you are leading others on to agrue about. Or, get back on the topic.
and that specific faith group is part of the abrahamic cult and what you view as going off topic Andy should be giving his opinion not you cause basically this isn't your thread.I never went off topic i posted many of times in a thread about tolerance and was explaining how tolerance is viewed through the eyes of an atheist if you can't accept that then go pray to your myth you have faith in.



AndyBgood asked:
But again what if the core tenants of a faith are to lie, kill, harm, and do mean things to those NOT of your faith? Christians are annoying but they don't have a holy war on everyone else. Can you tolerate a faith out to either force you to their way or kill you?



Is it an Atheist's core tenant to lie about Christianity? To force other's to your beliefs? It's obviously a belief of yours to eradicate Abrahamic religions. Should I show tolerance to your beliefs?


So the challenge then for RISKIT is to support these claims as not a lie:

Same goes for christianity if you don't accept Jesus you will be punished.

The Judaic God will punish you if you don't believe in him.

Thing with christianity you have to accept God and Jesus or you're chit out of luck.

I don't believe in any of it so which hell am i going to?the Islamic hell or the Judaic christian hell?



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Thu 04/19/12 11:43 PM
Edited by WholesomeWoman on Fri 04/20/12 12:07 AM
Deleted a double post.

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Thu 04/19/12 11:43 PM
Edited by WholesomeWoman on Fri 04/20/12 12:09 AM
Deleted a triple post.

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Fri 04/20/12 12:06 AM
Edited by WholesomeWoman on Fri 04/20/12 12:16 AM


Let it go, vent privately in such matters. Vent privately for your own good or sake and for others' sake. You ask if it is smart to tolerate, to this I say, yes it is smart to tolerate for my reasons I have given. This what I have to say.






let it go?there will be peace when there is no Abrahamic religion.
RKISIT 69:19


Andy asks if it is smart or not before he goes further in what he wants to say. He is checking out his thinking maybe and asking what others think.

I say if you are smart, let it go. There is no exclusion to whom we may or not tolerate.

Let it go, for it is not about smarts. Let it go and why I said it, and if you read all what I wrote gives you why I think so he asks for people to do so in wanting to know what others think first.

RKISIT you are off topic, assuming and taking this thread into your own direction, taking people off the topic and making it into your own thread of and quoting you, "there will be peace when there is no Abrahamic religion. RKISIT 69:19".

Andy asked a question and it was not pertaining to a specific faith group.


AndyBgood asked:
But again what if the core tenants of a faith are to lie, kill, harm, and do mean things to those NOT of your faith? Christians are annoying but they don't have a holy war on everyone else. Can you tolerate a faith out to either force you to their way or kill you?



Is it an Atheist's core tenant to lie about Christianity? To force other's to your beliefs? It's obviously a belief of yours to eradicate Abrahamic religions. Should I show tolerance to your beliefs?


So the challenge then for RISKIT is to support these claims as not a lie:

Same goes for christianity if you don't accept Jesus you will be punished.

The Judaic God will punish you if you don't believe in him.

Thing with christianity you have to accept God and Jesus or you're chit out of luck.

I don't believe in any of it so which hell am i going to?the Islamic hell or the Judaic christian hell?





Peter Pan, again, tolerance does not encompass exclusion, period.

Andy perhaps worded his question poorly for his use of the word tolerance does not permit posing the next question he did pose. I believe even though he asked others he most likely did not read all people's responses otherwise he would of seen his error for clearly it was pointed out by more than one person in the first round of questioning of what is tolerance.

As well for Riskit to drag me into the second of questioning was wrong especially by quoting something I said which does not theoretically fit but referenced to the first question Andy posed. Riskit neither did read what I wrote and misunderstands by what was meant in by what I said in response to Andy's first question.

I see this thread has turned into an unending debate by bringing in specific religions truly changing the topic completely from what was initially started.

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Fri 04/20/12 12:33 AM

Peter Pan, again, tolerance does not encompass exclusion, period.

Andy perhaps worded his question poorly for his use of the word tolerance does not permit posing the next question he poses. I believe even though he asked others he most likely did not read all people's responses otherwise he would of seen his error for clearly it was pointed out by more than one person in the first round of questioning of what is tolerance.

As well for Riskit to drag me into the second of questioning by quoteing something I said which does not theoretically fit, neither did he understood by what was meant.

It has turned into an unending debate by bringing in other religions making and changing the topic completely from what was initially started.



These threads are hardly ever about what the topic states.

Andy has made it clear in the OP and subsequent posts that his target was/is Christianity among others.
Now there are two halves of this question/ issue. One is tolerance for a religion one knows nothing about. Second is tolerance for a faith you read their "Bible" "Manifest" "Mantra" (whatever) and what you read is, to say the least, appalling to a person of education.

I am coming from a place of knowing about the faith from reading its bible but frankly I also am interested in the concepts of blind tolerance. Is blind tolerance really justifiable?



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Fri 04/20/12 01:05 AM
Edited by WholesomeWoman on Fri 04/20/12 01:15 AM


Peter Pan, again, tolerance does not encompass exclusion, period.

Andy perhaps worded his question poorly for his use of the word tolerance does not permit posing the next question he poses. I believe even though he asked others he most likely did not read all people's responses otherwise he would of seen his error for clearly it was pointed out by more than one person in the first round of questioning of what is tolerance.

As well for Riskit to drag me into the second of questioning by quoteing something I said which does not theoretically fit, neither did he understood by what was meant.

It has turned into an unending debate by bringing in other religions making and changing the topic completely from what was initially started.



These threads are hardly ever about what the topic states.

Andy has made it clear in the OP and subsequent posts that his target was/is Christianity among others.
Now there are two halves of this question/ issue. One is tolerance for a religion one knows nothing about. Second is tolerance for a faith you read their "Bible" "Manifest" "Mantra" (whatever) and what you read is, to say the least, appalling to a person of education.

I am coming from a place of knowing about the faith from reading its bible but frankly I also am interested in the concepts of blind tolerance. Is blind tolerance really justifiable?





Peter again, there is no such thing as blind tolerance in relation to the subject of fatih; all faiths are to be tolerated - no exclusions even if there is a "this of that" kind of thing within a religion.

Even so with Andy pointing out as you say, he has a target but first asks first for others' views before he anything further, would you not think a topic master would read the responses before continuing to see an error and not continue. Why would he ask in the first place before he says he would continue without reading what others wrote.

So are you saying by him having a target he then is like a raging bull regardless in what will be said? I would think a person after having read what others wrote would not continue on.

Peter Pan I ask for you not to bring me back into this thread. I contributed in the first set and see there is nothing more I want to add, for where the topic has been lead into and went off I do not want to participate in his seocnd round of questioning for it has taken a turn into another topic. Thank you.

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Fri 04/20/12 01:46 AM



Peter Pan, again, tolerance does not encompass exclusion, period.

Andy perhaps worded his question poorly for his use of the word tolerance does not permit posing the next question he poses. I believe even though he asked others he most likely did not read all people's responses otherwise he would of seen his error for clearly it was pointed out by more than one person in the first round of questioning of what is tolerance.

As well for Riskit to drag me into the second of questioning by quoteing something I said which does not theoretically fit, neither did he understood by what was meant.

It has turned into an unending debate by bringing in other religions making and changing the topic completely from what was initially started.



These threads are hardly ever about what the topic states.

Andy has made it clear in the OP and subsequent posts that his target was/is Christianity among others.
Now there are two halves of this question/ issue. One is tolerance for a religion one knows nothing about. Second is tolerance for a faith you read their "Bible" "Manifest" "Mantra" (whatever) and what you read is, to say the least, appalling to a person of education.

I am coming from a place of knowing about the faith from reading its bible but frankly I also am interested in the concepts of blind tolerance. Is blind tolerance really justifiable?





Peter again, there is no such thing as blind tolerance in relation to the subject of fatih; all faiths are to be tolerated - no exclusions even if there is a "this of that" kind of thing within a religion.

Even so with Andy pointing out as you say, he has a target but first asks first for others' views before he anything further, would you not think a topic master would read the responses before continuing to see an error and not continue. Why would he ask in the first place before he says he would continue without reading what others wrote.

So are you saying by him having a target he then is like a raging bull regardless in what will be said? I would think a person after having read what others wrote would not continue on.

Peter Pan I ask for you not to bring me back into this thread. I contributed in the first set and see there is nothing more I want to add, for where the topic has been lead into and went off I do not want to participate in his seocnd round of questioning for it has taken a turn into another topic. Thank you.


Do NOT ask me questions and then ask me to not bring you back into this thread. By asking me a question, you want to be brought back in.

I responded to RISKIT, you then responded to me.

I accept everyone's beliefs, I do not have to tolerate them as they have no bearing on me or my life at this point. When they do have an effect on my life, there will be no tolerance from me.





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Fri 04/20/12 04:45 AM





Let it go, vent privately in such matters. Vent privately for your own good or sake and for others' sake. You ask if it is smart to tolerate, to this I say, yes it is smart to tolerate for my reasons I have given. This what I have to say.






let it go?there will be peace when there is no Abrahamic religion.
RKISIT 69:19


Andy asks if it is smart or not before he goes further in what he wants to say. He is checking out his thinking maybe and asking what others think.

I say if you are smart, let it go. There is no exclusion to whom we may or not tolerate.

Let it go, for it is not about smarts. Let it go and why I said it, and if you read all what I wrote gives you why I think so he asks for people to do so in wanting to know what others think first.

RKISIT you are off topic, assuming and taking this thread into your own direction, taking people off the topic and making it into your own thread of and quoting you, "there will be peace when there is no Abrahamic religion. RKISIT 69:19".

Andy asked a question and it was not pertaining to a specific faith group.

Start a new thread with the topic you are leading others on to agrue about. Or, get back on the topic.

and that specific faith group is part of the abrahamic cult and what you view as going off topic Andy should be giving his opinion not you cause basically this isn't your thread.I never went off topic i posted many of times in a thread about tolerance and was explaining how tolerance is viewed through the eyes of an atheist if you can't accept that then go pray to your myth you have faith in.


Precisely it is neither our thread. I merely asked you to stay on topic when you quoted me trying to get me involved by referencing something I said "let it go" in answering a question Andy posed and nothing to do with your line of thought in singling out one specific group of people.

Again, do not drag me into your line of thought using my words to start an agruement which has no remote connection to the question posed. I do will want to partake in your nonsense adnd I do not accept your rudeness.

There is a proper way to debate too, one is being respectful of all and not to bash in your assumption of what their position on faith is. For, it is not a matter either in this topic if one is an atheist, a non-athesit, a person of some type of faith, an agnostic or whatever for that is not the issue at hand either. Thank you.

people will answer how they see fit,first the majority of atheist(meaning the atheist who refuse to accept that God exist) won't even get involved in these religious forums cause "why debate about something that doesn't exist".Thats how i feel but i've been on here so long and get bored i freakin keep jumping in here and kill time.anyways back to my point different views will draw different responses not all responses are going to meet your approval.

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Fri 04/20/12 09:07 AM

Again, do not drag me into your line of thought using my words to start an agruement which has no remote connection to the question posed. I do will want to partake in your nonsense adnd I do not accept your rudeness.



" I do will want to partake in your nonsense adnd I do not accept your rudeness." error and correction: "I do not" want to partake ..."


Please RSKIST and again, I do not want to participate anyfurther since the topic has moved into a religion agrument. Do not pull me back into this thread.

Thank you.


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Fri 04/20/12 02:01 PM


Again, do not drag me into your line of thought using my words to start an agruement which has no remote connection to the question posed. I do will want to partake in your nonsense adnd I do not accept your rudeness.



" I do will want to partake in your nonsense adnd I do not accept your rudeness." error and correction: "I do not" want to partake ..."


Please RSKIST and again, I do not want to participate anyfurther since the topic has moved into a religion agrument. Do not pull me back into this thread.

Thank you.


what nonsense?you posted something i quoted it and you had a s h i t fit cause you don't like me,join the crowd.

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Fri 04/20/12 04:00 PM







I think peoples beliefs are their personal business, and that beliefs dont need to be tolerated unless they turn into behavior

then I think certain actual behaviors exhibited by an individual may or may not be wise to tolerate,,,,


Problem is, if the entire reason you aren't tolerating something is based on religion......then you are stepping into their personal business in effect which you really have no place doing.


But again what if the core tenants of a faith are to lie, kill, harm, and do mean things to those NOT of your faith? Christians are annoying but they don't have a holy war on everyone else. Can you tolerate a faith out to either force you to their way or kill you?



Im not aware of such a universal faith

most FAITHS Im aware of have books with many doctrines that can and have been interpreted many ways depending upon who reads them,,,,


you then clearly have not read a Quaran then. Read up on conduct pertaining towards infidels.


One uses the Sword of Allah to bring them to the Light. However if you think that means to do unto them physical harm then you have been blinded by the Beast of War or its hatred.

The Sword of Allah is the Same as the Sword of Christ... The Word... The Word harms not but heals.

If a man follow the tenets of the Quaran then it is not by force of arms that one brings a person to the light... Rather it is by living the word in your deeds so they may see the path.

Cutting off of the Head with the sword applies to the spritual body and not that of the physical. Any Imam that claim otherwise is but following the sands of inequity piled upon the Rock of Islam by the Choice at the Well.
did you also know that the Quran states "Jews are the greediest people of all mankind,they wish to live for 1,000 years,they are going to hell." it's in the Quran you should read about what Allah wants to do to Israel it gets nasty.

Aye because the Word of the Prophet went into the Well of Life with the Chosen... at the time of the Choice of the Council...

What they then brought forward contains the Sands of Eniquity in the same measure as it contains the Words of Mohammad.