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We don't use use God as basically a fear tactic saying if you don't things exactly right you'll burn or you'll be extinguished eternally. Religious do, that's the difference. Do we think your lives may be better if you let go of some of the ideas you have? Yes. But do we believe God will punish you if you don't? No. Therein lies the separation. I dont use God as a fear tactic either, all religious cant be painted with one brush. So what if atheists dont use God as their fear of choice? ,, its not like there arent atheists guilty of using other fear tactics on people fear of stigmatism, being labeled bigoted, fear of expressing or practicing what is important to them, far of having to 'conform, or be an outcast,fear of impending doom from other humans, fear of political conspiracies, fear of losing 'freedom',,etc,,, |
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Here's what I think it is... They see someone whom they think is brainwashed. So they want to brainwash them too. Simple, everyone is trying to control everyone else... Not really. Or rather, I disagree from that viewpoint. Based on discussions I've had with friends who are atheists, the concept of actually getting someone to ditch theism is less of brainwashing someone and more as freeing the person from prior brainwashing. It's like taking away the fake world in the Matrix and showing what actually is or letting a kid know there's no Santa Claus. After all, many people who are atheists weren't convinced by others... they arrived at it through their own reasoning. They found that they didn't believe in the things they may or may not have once believed in or been taught. this can be said on both sides the concept of actually getting someone to ditch faithlessness is less of brainwashing and more as FREEING a person from prior brainwashing Its like giving a kid hope for his future as an adult, and showing them that life progresses and how great it can be to progress with it and be a healthy adult,,,, many people who are christian arriived at through their own reasoning too,,,they found that the things they once believed or were taught omitted quite a bit,,,, The entire problem with this is, is that people have grown accustomed to this idea that religion is the only place God is, that God can't be found outside of a church or book like it can be inside of one. It's just not the case, God does NOT need religion to exist, it just is. You can find God without ever believing the Bible, or stepping foot in a church, it's just not necessary, and in fact can in ways INHIBIT your relationship to God and your own spiritual growth. This notion that God expects certain conduct of us is totally and completely false. God just wishes us to be happy. How we may achieve that happiness is up to each individual person, but that is all it wants. The rest is man trying to control. Really they need religion more than we do, because it's how they hold their power. If they can get people to believe God demands this or that, then they have you right in the palm of their hands. We don't need it, but for them to keep control they need us. I think we are reaching a point where people are starting to realize that, which is why religion in ways doesn't hold as much power as it once did. People are growing up, and though some are fighting this, they are fighting a losing battle in the end. Like it or not, things are changing, and I think the more free we become the better. Having said all that, if you wanna believe certain things, fine, that is a personal choice. The problem is, religious never leave it at that, they push their doctrine onto everyone else, and put themselves above others in effect, believing they are the only ones living right and anyone who believes different is wrong or misguided. It is spiritual arrogance. The idea that because a book tells you something is wrong, it must be so is absurd. We need to let go of this idea that because someone believes different they are wrong because of what a preacher says, it's just not true. They are just them. "religious never leave it at that, they push their doctrine onto everyone else, and put themselves above others in effect, believing they are the only ones living right and anyone who believes different is wrong or misguided. It is spiritual arrogance. The idea that because a book tells you something is wrong, it must be so is absurd. We need to let go of this idea that because someone believes different they are wrong because of what a preacher says, it's just not true. They are just them. " replace religious with non religious replace 'it must be wrong' with 'it cant be right' replace 'of what a preacher says' with 'because they havent tangibly felt or seen or heard it' and this statement could ring true for either 'side' Here's the difference, do WE tell you that there's one path only and if you're not on it you're damned? No. But religious surely do. Not the same thing at all. One uses coercive tactics to keep followers in the line, the other tells only as a means to free, but there's no pressure on your soul to make the choice. Big difference. no, you tell us that the path doesnt matter and all paths lead to the exact same destination. Which doesnt seem logical to some of us. but thats not the point,,,the point was BELIEVERS,, whether their belief is in the Bible or not the bible, believe their belief is the RIGHT belief. IF they didnt think their belief was the 'right' belief, I doubt those believers would bother arguing about why others beliefs were 'wrong'. believers think their belief is the 'healthy; one, or they wouldnt spend time telling other believers their belief is 'unhealthy' believers think their belief gives them life (whether here on earth, by just being 'free' in their mortal life and not believing there is a 'right' way written in any book, or in an afterlife which they have followed the right directions to reach...) and that others beliefs 'traps' them (either to not really living their mortal life, or to an afterlife of damnation) its really not that different at all , in my opinion,,,, |
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I dont know the laws in Britain quite as well, I dont know how they view such action or if the family chose to pursue anything but murder.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/florida-shootings-shawn-tyson-convicted-773305 This link works.. I posted this story because of the parallels between the cases.. The Zimmerman/Martin narrative being pushed by the left wing media is that Martin was killed because he was black and in a "gated", which is a code word for a white community.. These Brits were killed for being white in a "public", which is a code word for a black community.. Early on in this media circus I posted a story about a 6 yo girl being shot and killed during a drive by shooting in Chicago.. Because the shooters weren't white the story got zero national coverage. The weekend that the girl was shot ended with 10 people murdered and 39 wounded in Chicago.. I will post the link again.. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/19/10758488-chicago-bloodbath-6-year-old-among-those-killed It seems that the media and the race hustlers turn a blind eye to murder in general especially when they can't sensationalize the story to create a mob scene and get their faces on the TV.. It rather pathetic and quite disgusting... Here is the rub,, with tens of thousands of murders in the US every year, its just not reasonable to expect media to cover them all I think deaths by drive by shooting are a given part of the criminal landsacape that people know happen and expect to be prosecuted ,,,and Im also sure the LOCAL channels in those places do , in fact, report those deaths deaths in which a black is killed by a non black are not prosecuted or convicted with that same confidence (particularly if the non black claims to have been defending themself from a black person), and so when they happen under such SUSPICIOUS (out of the normal) circumstances, and IF there are family members who draw attention to it,, the media will jump on it seems like it's mainly when a white kills a minority, white kids go missing, or a white woman goes missing... thanks nancy grace... I think there are 'special' priority type pieces as well, but I will go further to say it seems to me that white women or children missing will be reported MUCH MORE OFTEN than black women or children missing (and that could be economic because of what the community around those victims are able to invest in getting them back) I think for intra racial homicide, where the victim and killer are of same race,, the RACE is rarely mentioned in reports in interracial homicide, where the victim and killer are not of the same race, RACE is more often to be mentioned in reports |
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Divorce
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Why is the rate of divorce higher in the Western countries. Its quite lower in Africa, Asia and s.america. What has happened to "till death do us part". In a word, stigma I would think it is stigmatized more in Afircan culture than in western cultures where 'individual freedom' is so cherished,,,, stigma does alot to discourage behaviors socially, as lack of stigma does alot to encourage and accept behaviors,,, |
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/florida-shootings-shawn-tyson-convicted-773305 This link works.. I posted this story because of the parallels between the cases.. The Zimmerman/Martin narrative being pushed by the left wing media is that Martin was killed because he was black and in a "gated", which is a code word for a white community.. These Brits were killed for being white in a "public", which is a code word for a black community.. Early on in this media circus I posted a story about a 6 yo girl being shot and killed during a drive by shooting in Chicago.. Because the shooters weren't white the story got zero national coverage. The weekend that the girl was shot ended with 10 people murdered and 39 wounded in Chicago.. I will post the link again.. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/19/10758488-chicago-bloodbath-6-year-old-among-those-killed It seems that the media and the race hustlers turn a blind eye to murder in general especially when they can't sensationalize the story to create a mob scene and get their faces on the TV.. It rather pathetic and quite disgusting... Here is the rub,, with tens of thousands of murders in the US every year, its just not reasonable to expect media to cover them all I think deaths by drive by shooting are a given part of the criminal landsacape that people know happen and expect to be prosecuted ,,,and Im also sure the LOCAL channels in those places do , in fact, report those deaths deaths in which a black is killed by a non black are not prosecuted or convicted with that same confidence (particularly if the non black claims to have been defending themself from a black person), and so when they happen under such SUSPICIOUS (out of the normal) circumstances, and IF there are family members who draw attention to it,, the media will jump on it |
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Recovery from religion...
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Here's what I think it is... They see someone whom they think is brainwashed. So they want to brainwash them too. Simple, everyone is trying to control everyone else... Not really. Or rather, I disagree from that viewpoint. Based on discussions I've had with friends who are atheists, the concept of actually getting someone to ditch theism is less of brainwashing someone and more as freeing the person from prior brainwashing. It's like taking away the fake world in the Matrix and showing what actually is or letting a kid know there's no Santa Claus. After all, many people who are atheists weren't convinced by others... they arrived at it through their own reasoning. They found that they didn't believe in the things they may or may not have once believed in or been taught. this can be said on both sides the concept of actually getting someone to ditch faithlessness is less of brainwashing and more as FREEING a person from prior brainwashing Its like giving a kid hope for his future as an adult, and showing them that life progresses and how great it can be to progress with it and be a healthy adult,,,, many people who are christian arriived at through their own reasoning too,,,they found that the things they once believed or were taught omitted quite a bit,,,, The entire problem with this is, is that people have grown accustomed to this idea that religion is the only place God is, that God can't be found outside of a church or book like it can be inside of one. It's just not the case, God does NOT need religion to exist, it just is. You can find God without ever believing the Bible, or stepping foot in a church, it's just not necessary, and in fact can in ways INHIBIT your relationship to God and your own spiritual growth. This notion that God expects certain conduct of us is totally and completely false. God just wishes us to be happy. How we may achieve that happiness is up to each individual person, but that is all it wants. The rest is man trying to control. Really they need religion more than we do, because it's how they hold their power. If they can get people to believe God demands this or that, then they have you right in the palm of their hands. We don't need it, but for them to keep control they need us. I think we are reaching a point where people are starting to realize that, which is why religion in ways doesn't hold as much power as it once did. People are growing up, and though some are fighting this, they are fighting a losing battle in the end. Like it or not, things are changing, and I think the more free we become the better. Having said all that, if you wanna believe certain things, fine, that is a personal choice. The problem is, religious never leave it at that, they push their doctrine onto everyone else, and put themselves above others in effect, believing they are the only ones living right and anyone who believes different is wrong or misguided. It is spiritual arrogance. The idea that because a book tells you something is wrong, it must be so is absurd. We need to let go of this idea that because someone believes different they are wrong because of what a preacher says, it's just not true. They are just them. There is no facts of it being stolen from any other civilization. You nor I nor anyone else still walking the face of this Earth was there. You can not prove it was stolen, just as I can not prove it wasn't. That's why the scriptures stress so much about faith. One can not prove Christianity to be true, but likewise no one can prove Christianity to not be true. Faith plays a huge role in it on either side of the coin. Certainly you can prove Christianity not true, just look at history. The proof of it would be there if it was and it's not. history doesnt disprove christianity,,,,,, |
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Here's what I think it is... They see someone whom they think is brainwashed. So they want to brainwash them too. Simple, everyone is trying to control everyone else... Not really. Or rather, I disagree from that viewpoint. Based on discussions I've had with friends who are atheists, the concept of actually getting someone to ditch theism is less of brainwashing someone and more as freeing the person from prior brainwashing. It's like taking away the fake world in the Matrix and showing what actually is or letting a kid know there's no Santa Claus. After all, many people who are atheists weren't convinced by others... they arrived at it through their own reasoning. They found that they didn't believe in the things they may or may not have once believed in or been taught. this can be said on both sides the concept of actually getting someone to ditch faithlessness is less of brainwashing and more as FREEING a person from prior brainwashing Its like giving a kid hope for his future as an adult, and showing them that life progresses and how great it can be to progress with it and be a healthy adult,,,, many people who are christian arriived at through their own reasoning too,,,they found that the things they once believed or were taught omitted quite a bit,,,, The entire problem with this is, is that people have grown accustomed to this idea that religion is the only place God is, that God can't be found outside of a church or book like it can be inside of one. It's just not the case, God does NOT need religion to exist, it just is. You can find God without ever believing the Bible, or stepping foot in a church, it's just not necessary, and in fact can in ways INHIBIT your relationship to God and your own spiritual growth. This notion that God expects certain conduct of us is totally and completely false. God just wishes us to be happy. How we may achieve that happiness is up to each individual person, but that is all it wants. The rest is man trying to control. Really they need religion more than we do, because it's how they hold their power. If they can get people to believe God demands this or that, then they have you right in the palm of their hands. We don't need it, but for them to keep control they need us. I think we are reaching a point where people are starting to realize that, which is why religion in ways doesn't hold as much power as it once did. People are growing up, and though some are fighting this, they are fighting a losing battle in the end. Like it or not, things are changing, and I think the more free we become the better. Having said all that, if you wanna believe certain things, fine, that is a personal choice. The problem is, religious never leave it at that, they push their doctrine onto everyone else, and put themselves above others in effect, believing they are the only ones living right and anyone who believes different is wrong or misguided. It is spiritual arrogance. The idea that because a book tells you something is wrong, it must be so is absurd. We need to let go of this idea that because someone believes different they are wrong because of what a preacher says, it's just not true. They are just them. "religious never leave it at that, they push their doctrine onto everyone else, and put themselves above others in effect, believing they are the only ones living right and anyone who believes different is wrong or misguided. It is spiritual arrogance. The idea that because a book tells you something is wrong, it must be so is absurd. We need to let go of this idea that because someone believes different they are wrong because of what a preacher says, it's just not true. They are just them. " replace religious with non religious replace 'it must be wrong' with 'it cant be right' replace 'of what a preacher says' with 'because they havent tangibly felt or seen or heard it' and this statement could ring true for either 'side' |
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IN any case, I will say, if a person is sick (emotionally, spiritually, or physically) the most powerful resource they have is their brain
once the brain tells us something is real, it can become very real in our body and our existence a sick christians brain can tell them the religion has made them sick and that will eventually become enough of a reality that losing religion will 'heal' them likewise, a sick atheists brain can tell them lack of religion has made them sick and that will eventually become enough of a reality that embraxing religion will 'heal' them we will become what we say we are,,,because we say we will, not because of any isolated or singular outside source,,,, there are healthy and unhealthy theists AND atheists, and I would wish for all of them to gain their health back,, how their mind decides to manifest that progress,,,, is up to them,, |
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Here's what I think it is... They see someone whom they think is brainwashed. So they want to brainwash them too. Simple, everyone is trying to control everyone else... Not really. Or rather, I disagree from that viewpoint. Based on discussions I've had with friends who are atheists, the concept of actually getting someone to ditch theism is less of brainwashing someone and more as freeing the person from prior brainwashing. It's like taking away the fake world in the Matrix and showing what actually is or letting a kid know there's no Santa Claus. After all, many people who are atheists weren't convinced by others... they arrived at it through their own reasoning. They found that they didn't believe in the things they may or may not have once believed in or been taught. this can be said on both sides the concept of actually getting someone to ditch faithlessness is less of brainwashing and more as FREEING a person from prior brainwashing Its like giving a kid hope for his future as an adult, and showing them that life progresses and how great it can be to progress with it and be a healthy adult,,,, many people who are christian arriived at through their own reasoning too,,,they found that the things they once believed or were taught omitted quite a bit,,,, |
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I think the crime should be ELEVATED. If someone is stalking, there should be the original TRO and when the TRO is violated, with premeditation (Im not talking about ending up at the same store where you both actually ARE shopping) the offense should be elevated I dont want to be in a situation (its on my mind alot lately, so its going to keep coming up in my logic,,,) where I am scared by someone following me at night even IF I try to go a different direction and put distance between us and I end up dead after fighting to try to SAVE my life and leaving bruises on my intimidator/aggressor at least, if I Have had a TRO on that person at any time, they will have less justification in the eyes of the law,,, being followed around can be very intimidating,,,and make one feel very threatened depending upon the environment,,, Yep, that is true. When you are dead that TRO will definitely be used by the DA to prosecute your killer. Good plan. IF I die, its better than ending up with he said she said...in my opinion IF the law works as it should, once its elevated to an imprisonable offense, I will be much SAFER with them behind bars, than continuing to follow and harass me ,,, |
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ABC said on a video the that Trayvon had been suspended for marijuana and an undisclosed witness said that he saw the whole thing. So perhaps we'll get some clarity to this case. ADDNOTE: there was an MSU student killed by three black guys over the weekend, but ABC doesn't have a story on that. Friggen liberal biased media! And no before you start I am not republican either! Both parties suck in my opinion. Well the reason this case is so popular is the awful police work done. When a person is murdered and the suspect claims self defense never assume anything. I think it has to do with the parents choosing to bring attention to it mostly. Other victims families dont necessarily feel cheated by the system or fearful that justice wont be served. |
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African American Ladies
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Hey, i've made some research and found out that most African-American ladies dont think African men are sexy enough. They would rather date an AA who would cheat on them. But white ladies are catching on the love train and having lovely testimonies. Pls no pun intented. there is also that pesky thing about having a common culture that could be something to consider instead of assuming the attraction is to some inherent cheating attitude in AA's |
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great, going backwards to wild west,,,, gonna be interesting,,, A town passed an ordinance that requires every household to have a working gun. They have extremely low crime rates and have had no murders in 25 years. 25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA' OR NOT http://progressivevalues.blogspot.com/2007/04/kennesaw-georgia-gun-violence-reduction.html statistics can be manipulated to say whatever you want them to say. I noticed they didn't say anything about what types of nieghorhoods they are, or anything about the police force in either city. there are cityies out here i won't drive through because the cops will pull you over, and i'm sure their crime rate is low also... we agree on this I am in awe of numbers and how they can be manipulated and the english language and how many contexts in which words can be used to have different meanings,,,, numbers and words, two of my favorite things to be in awe of,,lol |
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Well, where are all the complaints that they are racists? You know what I think is racist? When an African American posts he or she is proud to be black. If I posted I were proud to be white, I'd be called a racist or white-supremist. We can't help what color our skin is. I'd rather be saying I am proud to be a Christian or a good mother or anti-violent or anti-racist!! Racism comes in all shades and...races. Sad, sad shame that people are still so against each other over color and race. I like to detest people on an individual basis, regarless of skin color or race. 
I also think that is racist. I think there are different levels of racist and that 90 percent of americans are at one of those levels. I think its not so BLATANTLY racist though as other levels of racism to be proud of the accomplishments of those who come directly from you or before you. As long as one does not feel that that particular group is therefore BETTER Than other groups. Its one thing to be proud, its another to feel superior. I disagree. When I think racism I think hatred for another race. In this day in age I find it hard to believe that is prominent. I would have to say people confuse being prejudice to being racist. Prejudice is having a certain judgement toward a person because of religion, sexulal orientation, race, etc. when I think 'racism' in the simplest of explanations I break down the word Race c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits ism: distinctive doctrine, cause, or theory I think environment and media impression upon us from a young age certain 'stereotypes' which causes us to believe certain traits within certain groups I think ninety percent of americans certainly have some 'custom made' ideas about certain races and groups, even if they are subconsciously applied,,,,, Stereotyping and racism are 2 different things. Racism is thinking one is superior or inferior because of race. For example saying black people have rhythm is a stereotype but it is not racism. It can be classified as ignorance but if there is no superiority or inferiority then there is no racism. well, people certainly have their own 'opinions' of what racism means to them. But , technically, breaking down the root and suffix of the word racism , there is no inference of 'superiority' that is something added by modern standards so fewer people feel racist,,lol |
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ABC said on a video the that Trayvon had been suspended for marijuana and an undisclosed witness said that he saw the whole thing. So perhaps we'll get some clarity to this case. ADDNOTE: there was an MSU student killed by three black guys over the weekend, but ABC doesn't have a story on that. Friggen liberal biased media! And no before you start I am not republican either! Both parties suck in my opinion. this killing actually happened at the end of February and took some time to gain 'coverage' as well,,, give it time |
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I all can say is if there is a shooting at a Colorado university, I hope that there is a p ussy there with a gun to save the other student's lives. If talking could end a conflict, WWII would have never happened...ask Neville Chamberlain. oj and nicole sought counseling I sought counseling with my husband I am not dead, nicole is. so the logic doesnt follow that : if counseling could resolve domestic abuse, Nicole would not be dead. because I am not dead and also went to counseling,,, ,,,the logic again does not really connect,,,, huh... i am trying to figure out what this has to do with guns... if nicole had a gun, she wouldn't have died? lol, love ya moe the statement was made 'if talking could end a conflict, WWII would never have happened' my post was pointing out the err of that statement because obviously, SOMETIMES Talking does end conflicts, as well as other non life threatening actions,,,, my example was showing how giving one instance where something didnt work is not proof that something NEVER works or even RARELY works in fact, Id say we may be having MORE wars, if there WERENT other ways to end conflicts,,, |
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great, going backwards to wild west,,,, gonna be interesting,,, A town passed an ordinance that requires every household to have a working gun. They have extremely low crime rates and have had no murders in 25 years. 25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA' OR NOT http://progressivevalues.blogspot.com/2007/04/kennesaw-georgia-gun-violence-reduction.html |
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I all can say is if there is a shooting at a Colorado university, I hope that there is a p ussy there with a gun to save the other student's lives. If talking could end a conflict, WWII would have never happened...ask Neville Chamberlain. oj and nicole sought counseling I sought counseling with my husband I am not dead, nicole is. so the logic doesnt follow that : if counseling could resolve domestic abuse, Nicole would not be dead. because I am not dead and also went to counseling,,, ,,,the logic again does not really connect,,,, |
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Ruth,, I dont believe this will bring about riots. I think there has been too much organizing and calls for JUSTICE against vigalante action like this to resolve it with violence.
I think there will be a few more isolated cases of people avenging this,, but nothing like riots. and IF a man had been injured seriously enough because of a so called person 'bashing' their head on pavement, a medical person would not only treat them but gauze or bandage them to prevent infection and beneath that gauze, you would see some type of scrapes and abrasions. That isnt supported by this video,,,,, |
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