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SInce when??
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I think it should be first the wishes of the deceased
and if not specified, than it should be the wishes of those making and paying for the arrangements,,, |
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Is age just a number?
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no, shoe size has no bearing on any character or likely experiences, interests, or values of that person, so it wouldnt matter to me
no, a social security number also has no bearing on any character or likely experiences, interests, or values of that person, so it wouldnt matter to me yes, I do prefer a certain level of 'intelligence' in someone that is to be a partner, I want us to understand each other and be able to communicate comfortably no, what someone pays for car insurance is not something I would even t hink to ask, as it also doesnt affect our relationship and has no bearing on any character or likely experiences, interests, or values of that person, so it wouldnt matter to me |
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Contraception
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I think other problems would arise if birth control was free for women. What's the possibility of more women getting STD's because they are not worried about getting pregnant so they become more promiscuous. Wouldn't the cost of treating those be more expensive? Your absolutely right... SEX is a problem. STD's are a problem. Women should be required to wear burka's. We should follow Sharia law. That would solve everything. I dont think there is anything that will 'solve' everything when it comes to those issues. I dont think anyone here wants to see burkas mandated. I just think that when you speak of mandates out of peoples pockets, they feel a right to speak up about whether they wish to cover that expense for others or not. I think a system in which those who can afford 1.50 a day to prevent pregnancy(but nt stds, in the case of pills) cover the costs for said pills and those who cant afford that 1.50 have access to programs where they can temporarily receive it is the most JUST policy we could implement |
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we have laws, if the laws we have are against something, what your religious belief is doesnt trump responsibility as a citizen to obey the law
if the laws mandate something, it is also not able to trump responsibility so , do we have the RIGHT to practice....yes a conditional right, that is trumped by whatever the LAWS are,,, |
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Contraception
Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 03/02/12 08:40 PM
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"A pregnancy can run into some real money....$150 per visit for pre-natal care and 5,000 to $15,000 for the birth. If there are complications, costs can skyrocket. " Simple cure... Abstenince. (no 'unexpected' consequence). Less simple cure... When I have an accident in my car. The person at fault pays for the damage by their insurance. If you make the fathers insurance company pay half the price of the child. Fewer men would be tempted to waste time humping someone they would not want to wed. Surely you ar joking? Do you seriously think guys would quit humping if their insurance would get stuck for 1/2 the bill? Hahahaha! Tooo funny! They are already on the hook for child support in most states. I think you missed the point....it's cheaper to PREVENT! the problem with child support is two fold, one that women wont name or dont know who the father is anymore and two that often times the information required to collect the child support is hard to obtain because of men trying to stay off the grid but mostly, child support has become like a money back guarantee,, its basically a system that gambles on the whether or not people will bother to 'follow through' on what they started,,,and sadly many women dont,,,if it takes time, money, or effort,,, Ms Harmony, I appreciate you position on most things but in this case, I just think it's a good idea to try to prevent as many unplanned pregnacies as possible.....regardless of liability. I think it makes financial sense and is better in the long run for all involved. I think the entire subject got complicated when Religion was injected into the the discussion....especially with the Catholic Church. Funny how the GOP defends the Catholic church on this issue but when it come to immigration, they are worlds apart. well, Id find it funnier if the gop agreed with the church on EVERYTHING,,lol I dont even agree on everything with my mom who I love most in this world besides my children but, in absence of the moral issue, there is still the financial issue of who pays and whether anyone but the one making the choice should be FORCED to pay,,,, |
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Contraception
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I think other problems would arise if birth control was free for women. What's the possibility of more women getting STD's because they are not worried about getting pregnant so they become more promiscuous. Wouldn't the cost of treating those be more expensive? thats the issue of 'false security' I posted before sometimes a false sense of security makes people behave less responsibly more often and causes OTHER problems,,, |
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Another School Shooting
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I was both unwise and lucky, I think most victims are,, but thats a personal bias
I was in a park alone ( a bad and unwise choice) in one instance and at a strangers home alone at night in another (a bad and unwise choice) both were more interested in overpowering and dominating than taking a life, a blessing(that they were criminals but not killers) |
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I have seen the reports on the news of who they had testify before congress....5 guys?
Fluke is s feminist lawyer so I'm sure she has no agenda. And if 90% of women have used birth control it doesn't seem to me that there is any problem with women getting birth control. Why is this even an issue then? It should be provided to women free. Dental check ups should be free. Breast exams should be free. as an ideal perhaps as a reality , nothing is free, there are costs, for education, tools, manpower , which have costs that have to be collected SOMEWHERE,,, |
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I have seen the reports on the news of who they had testify before congress....5 guys?
Fluke is s feminist lawyer so I'm sure she has no agenda. And if 90% of women have used birth control it doesn't seem to me that there is any problem with women getting birth control. Why is this even an issue then? be cautious of wording and context I think the statement was that they have used it IN THEIR LIFETIME women of childbearing age range from 16-46, so to make a statement about what has happened in common over the lifetime of everyone who has been in that age range since birth control is not necessarily an indication of how many women use bc at a GIVEN time , or in a GIVEN period of specific years,, |
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Another School Shooting
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Laws only prevent law abiding citizens from carrying guns. Criminals will always have guns. They don't care about the laws. Therefore, if criminals, rapists and thieves and murderers all have guns, and you don't, you are vulnerable. Im vulnerable if I do have a gun too,,there is no way to totally erase 'vulnerability' I am also vulnerable to being shot by my OWN gun if I have one and to accidentally taking an unintended life not worth it for the miniscual change in my personal 'vulnerability' to crime I agree, awareness is a great tool, I use it daily... The predator chooses the MOST vulnerable. The weakest in the herd. Keep a wary eye. After two attacks, I'm sure you have a very wary eye to danger and avoid it. I was attacked once also, but I knew a little self defense and the attacker was drunk, so he lost. |
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You believe women who use birth control for any reason are sluts? Did you even pay attention to Sandra Fluke's story, or are you assuming Rush is giving you all the info you need? I do believe women have the right to choose if they use it. I also believe they have a right to pay for it. (and not ask it of me). For my woman I would be willing to pay for a part (if she did not want a child). Yet Mr. Rush was rude in the way he said it. It is still important to note. If she was my daughter I would expect her to be at study in that time of her life. and not bouncing on beds. No insult intended. Just suppose...... You were on your company health care insurance committee. Your health care provider, lets say Blue Cross, came to the committee and said "We can save the plan and evryone money if we provide free birth control pills to all the women covered under the company plan". What would you do/say? NO Way? They have to pay? If free pills results in reduces costs for all those covered by the plan? Let's get all the moral BS out of this discusion. It makes financial sense!!! It's a women's health issue. it depends upon what the evidence is that it saves money there is sometimes 'false security' which actually increases the odds of something happening because people become so settled in the idea they wont,,, there is sometimes actual evidence that something is secure Id need to know which was involved in the decision.... |
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Another School Shooting
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Laws only prevent law abiding citizens from carrying guns. Criminals will always have guns. They don't care about the laws. Therefore, if criminals, rapists and thieves and murderers all have guns, and you don't, you are vulnerable. Im vulnerable if I do have a gun too,,there is no way to totally erase 'vulnerability' I am also vulnerable to being shot by my OWN gun if I have one and to accidentally taking an unintended life not worth it for the miniscual change in my personal 'vulnerability' to crime |
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Contraception
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"A pregnancy can run into some real money....$150 per visit for pre-natal care and 5,000 to $15,000 for the birth. If there are complications, costs can skyrocket. " Simple cure... Abstenince. (no 'unexpected' consequence). Less simple cure... When I have an accident in my car. The person at fault pays for the damage by their insurance. If you make the fathers insurance company pay half the price of the child. Fewer men would be tempted to waste time humping someone they would not want to wed. Surely you ar joking? Do you seriously think guys would quit humping if their insurance would get stuck for 1/2 the bill? Hahahaha! Tooo funny! They are already on the hook for child support in most states. I think you missed the point....it's cheaper to PREVENT! the problem with child support is two fold, one that women wont name or dont know who the father is anymore and two that often times the information required to collect the child support is hard to obtain because of men trying to stay off the grid but mostly, child support has become like a money back guarantee,, its basically a system that gambles on the whether or not people will bother to 'follow through' on what they started,,,and sadly many women dont,,,if it takes time, money, or effort,,, |
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set the bar low so more can reach it,,,,,it seems to be how 'equality' is being defined in modern days,,,
Id prefer we raise the BAR and then make it a part of the culture to promote and encourage and HELP people reach it,,,, |
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Contraception
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"A pregnancy can run into some real money....$150 per visit for pre-natal care and 5,000 to $15,000 for the birth. If there are complications, costs can skyrocket. " Simple cure... Abstenince. (no 'unexpected' consequence). Less simple cure... When I have an accident in my car. The person at fault pays for the damage by their insurance. If you make the fathers insurance company pay half the price of the child. Fewer men would be tempted to waste time humping someone they would not want to wed. EXCELLENT idea, takes two, it should be the responsibility of two,,, |
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I hope that Rush Limbaugh keeps up his attacks on women's health issues. I hope all the republicans keep up their attacks on women's health issues. It paints them in a very bad light and makes them appear tom be out of touch with main stream America. President Obama will win re-election for sure. RIP GOP I think the American people are aware that over 90% of women have used birth control at one time or another in their lives. For ther GOP and Rush to make an issue out of providing this at no cost to women makes no sense medically or financially. They are using it, or trying to, as a way to attack President Obama. Simple as that. I have seen the reports on the news of who they had testify before congress....5 guys? This is a losing issue for the GOP and they are suckersw for falling into the debate. there is a large percentage of people using internet and cable too I dont think that weighs in for those opposing I think what weighs in is the debate over who 'pays' for it,,, |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 03/02/12 07:38 PM
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you never know
I wonder what the republican turnout might be compared to the democratic,,,, I think there are alot of people who agre with what the republican candidates are proposing, I think the christian majority is a SILENT majority but a majority just the same and could work in the republicans favor like it did for Bush as a democrat, I agree with alot of the ideals/personal values of the republican candidates in terms of abortion/contraception/same sex marriage,,,etc,, , I just dont see the political relevance of those ideals/values in terms of what a PRESIDENT has authority over ,,,,,or responsibility for,,, |
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Contraception
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Then why is it such a big issue? hmmm,, tricky question best I can tell is it falls on the 'equality' issue are women who cant afford it as entitled to it as those who can? is it a 'right' to have birth control? these things usually fall under the category of 'equality' when other reasonable options arent seen as reasonable by a majority,,, I hate the word entitled. As far as your equality statement, then I should be givin a boat by the government so I can fish and provide for my family because there are those who can afford one and I can't. well, lobbying does quite a bit, so if you were passionate about it, ID keep trying...lol for right now, we dont have enough of a majority who feel that expecting you to shop instead to feed your family is too much of an unjust imposing of personal values upon others,,, |
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Contraception
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Then why is it such a big issue? hmmm,, tricky question best I can tell is it falls on the 'equality' issue are women who cant afford it as entitled to it as those who can? is it a 'right' to have birth control? these things usually fall under the category of 'equality' when other reasonable options arent seen as reasonable by a majority,,, |
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Contraception
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I guess I'm not understanding the whole concept of what is going on with it. I hear people arguing the point that it should be free. If that's the case I ask why? Then I also hear people talking about it should be available to women. I wasn't aware that there are women who can't obtain it. Can't they get a prescription from a doctor? And I would also like to know if women can get it for free then why. Ant men get free condoms? in general YES< men and women can get 'free' contraception (condoms and pills) depending upon their income level by going to various clinics who supply such income based assistance generally, men and women who should be able to 'afford' it within their own income will have to pay for it a male can get a box of about 12 for 9 dollars , or a little under a dollar a piece less than what they pay for those daily cigarettes, or cups of coffee , or soft drinks.....MOST can afford this the pill, however, is a prescription med that one must go through the medical profession to receive and that too is usually income based,,,but ranges from 15-50 bucks a month, or fifty cents to 1.75 per day less than those junk food items most eat daily, MOST can probably afford this as well Women buy cigarettes, coffee and sodas so why can't they afford their contraception? Its their fault they get pregnant anyway... with this, I mostly agree, surprisingly |
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