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It's an illegal tax in the first place anyway, the states never officially ratified it, not enough of them anyway. So it's not just theft, it's illegal altogether.
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Homosexual redux
Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 06:25 PM
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Marriage is a religious thing and Government should have no part in it. But if we do allow other types of marriage, who will support the idea of having multiple mates? I might want to have two wives at one time? If everyone consents, nothing wrong with it. in your OPINION... why did they make it a law in the first place? Cause they're control freaks??? And why is it your damn business WHAT they do if those involve consent? Who died and made you god?? Get a life dude......please. You are the type the government loves, you keep their power strong. |
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Homosexual redux
Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 06:24 PM
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This is all fine and good guys but play nice. The real question is gov too involved in our life? yes...i think so... but like i said, some of it is needed... to many people with to many opinions, the government would have to step in sometime... Why should they have to? Because people get their feelings hurt? Should everyone be the same just to keep peace? No thanks. you really need this explained to you? you didn't take social studies in high school? do you really think that society could function without a government?  If people weren't so god damn reliant on it, then yes. Don't you get it, they WANT you dependent on them because then they can control you exactly how they want. It's a trap dude! They don't want us to know we can handle ourselves without them, they want full power, and they'll get it too so long as we keep allowing them it. At BEST the most a government should be is VERY limited......and that does NOT include getting involved in personal affairs it does not belong in. either way, have you thought about how you and the government you gripe about so much are the same? your trying to tell me how and what to think, just like the government... the whole government is full of people like you, just waiting to push their beliefs on others. I'm not saying this to make you mad, I'm saying this because you yourself said " you think the world could be a better place", that's exactly the way everyone in the government, your neighbors, me, and the other 400 million people are saying... the only problem with that is there is 400 million opinions on how to do that, and to you, yours is right, and to them, they are right... who is right and wrong here? that's why we have to have a government. they found this out about 12,000 years ago, and it will never change... Only because no one has the GUTS to do it. And no I'm NOT telling you how to think, you can be prejudice all you want, but when you use that to try and tell someone ELSE how to live, you cross the line. Nuff said. Everyone can have opinions, but those opinions should NOT effect public policy. The ONLY reason for government intervention is when someone's rights are being taken away by someone else, that's the ONLY reason, anything else is overreaching. People are gonna be different than you, deal with it or go somewhere where there are more like you. yes you are.. you've been telling me how wrong i am, calling me racist, and arguing everything i say... if you don't like my OPINION, then don't respond to it... it's very simple Yes I DO think you're wrong, but it doesn't mean you don't have the right to speak it, you just don't have to right to use your OPINION to dictate another's personal choices. Learn the difference. did you just say i don't have the right to express my opinion? No, learn to read, you have the right to speak your opinion, but you DON'T have the right to take away someone else's right to do as they wish in their private lives just because you don't like it. That's where your rights end. |
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Homosexual redux
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Marriage is a religious thing and Government should have no part in it. But if we do allow other types of marriage, you will support the idea of having multiple mates? I might want to have two wives at one time? we all voted for the people that make these laws... i'll vote for the people that are against it, and the others can vote for the people that want it... thats how it usually works here... Yeah a sheep and two wolves deciding what's for dinner.......never works out well for the sheep............ |
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Homosexual redux
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Marriage is a religious thing and Government should have no part in it. But if we do allow other types of marriage, who will support the idea of having multiple mates? I might want to have two wives at one time? If everyone consents, nothing wrong with it. |
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Topic:
Homosexual redux
Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 06:21 PM
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This is all fine and good guys but play nice. The real question is gov too involved in our life? yes...i think so... but like i said, some of it is needed... to many people with to many opinions, the government would have to step in sometime... Why should they have to? Because people get their feelings hurt? Should everyone be the same just to keep peace? No thanks. you really need this explained to you? you didn't take social studies in high school? do you really think that society could function without a government? If people weren't so god damn reliant on it, then yes. Don't you get it, they WANT you dependent on them because then they can control you exactly how they want. It's a trap dude! They don't want us to know we can handle ourselves without them, they want full power, and they'll get it too so long as we keep allowing them it. At BEST the most a government should be is VERY limited......and that does NOT include getting involved in personal affairs it does not belong in. either way, have you thought about how you and the government you gripe about so much are the same? your trying to tell me how and what to think, just like the government... the whole government is full of people like you, just waiting to push their beliefs on others. I'm not saying this to make you mad, I'm saying this because you yourself said " you think the world could be a better place", that's exactly the way everyone in the government, your neighbors, me, and the other 400 million people are saying... the only problem with that is there is 400 million opinions on how to do that, and to you, yours is right, and to them, they are right... who is right and wrong here? that's why we have to have a government. they found this out about 12,000 years ago, and it will never change... Only because no one has the GUTS to do it. And no I'm NOT telling you how to think, you can be prejudice all you want, but when you use that to try and tell someone ELSE how to live, you cross the line. Nuff said. Everyone can have opinions, but those opinions should NOT effect public policy. The ONLY reason for government intervention is when someone's rights are being taken away by someone else, that's the ONLY reason, anything else is overreaching. People are gonna be different than you, deal with it or go somewhere where there are more like you. yes you are.. you've been telling me how wrong i am, calling me racist, and arguing everything i say... if you don't like my OPINION, then don't respond to it... it's very simple Yes I DO think you're wrong, but it doesn't mean you don't have the right to speak it, you just don't have to right to use your OPINION to dictate another's personal choices. Learn the difference. And I will always speak out about prejudices..... |
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Homosexual redux
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It is only hurting them if they believe in God, as it specifically calls out homosexual behavior as abhorrent. It also says to stone them. But I believe Jesus changed that when he wouldn't let the crowd stone a prostitute ("Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."). That's just my opinion, plus there is aids running around, but it has crossed over into heterosexual relations too. Again though can you prove that? A book does not truth make. Would a God of love judge someone or cast them out for simply choosing to love someone of the same sex and wanting to be with them romantically? Yet in the meantime he's perfectly fine with bloodshed and death in his name, even to the point of killing first born children of those who don't obey Him? Take away the religious upbringing for a second and seriously think about that. Does that make any bit of sense? It doesn't to me. As for AIDS, if you research that, that was a government created disease in Africa, it had nothing to do with homosexuals as one may believe. quit making things up... you have no idea how it started, just like everyone else... Uh......yeah I think I do. Research it, do your homework before you spout off at the mouth. no, your the one saying you know how it started... prove it... your a doctor? you know about infectious diseases? all you know is what you read off the internet, on the CT'ers site... NO ONE knows how or where it started, for all we know it could have started 5000 years ago, or a million... you just don't know Like I said educate yourself, I won't spoon feed you. Think this conversation is over, it's hopeless. |
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Topic:
Homosexual redux
Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 06:15 PM
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This is all fine and good guys but play nice. The real question is gov too involved in our life? yes...i think so... but like i said, some of it is needed... to many people with to many opinions, the government would have to step in sometime... Why should they have to? Because people get their feelings hurt? Should everyone be the same just to keep peace? No thanks. you really need this explained to you? you didn't take social studies in high school? do you really think that society could function without a government? If people weren't so god damn reliant on it, then yes. Don't you get it, they WANT you dependent on them because then they can control you exactly how they want. It's a trap dude! They don't want us to know we can handle ourselves without them, they want full power, and they'll get it too so long as we keep allowing them it. At BEST the most a government should be is VERY limited......and that does NOT include getting involved in personal affairs it does not belong in. either way, have you thought about how you and the government you gripe about so much are the same? your trying to tell me how and what to think, just like the government... the whole government is full of people like you, just waiting to push their beliefs on others. I'm not saying this to make you mad, I'm saying this because you yourself said " you think the world could be a better place", that's exactly the way everyone in the government, your neighbors, me, and the other 400 million people are saying... the only problem with that is there is 400 million opinions on how to do that, and to you, yours is right, and to them, they are right... who is right and wrong here? that's why we have to have a government. they found this out about 12,000 years ago, and it will never change... Only because no one has the GUTS to do it. And no I'm NOT telling you how to think, you can be prejudice all you want, but when you use that to try and tell someone ELSE how to live, you cross the line. Nuff said. Everyone can have opinions, but those opinions should NOT effect public policy. The ONLY reason for government intervention is when someone's rights are being taken away by someone else, that's the ONLY reason, anything else is overreaching. People are gonna be different than you, deal with it it's part of what a free society is supposed to be. Don't like it, than go somewhere where there are more like you. And if you think the government now wants things a better place, you are so naive it's ridiculous. They want things better for THEM, and them ONLY. We matter not, educate yourself, you play right into their hands by asking them for intervention on petty matters. |
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Topic:
Homosexual redux
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It is only hurting them if they believe in God, as it specifically calls out homosexual behavior as abhorrent. It also says to stone them. But I believe Jesus changed that when he wouldn't let the crowd stone a prostitute ("Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."). That's just my opinion, plus there is aids running around, but it has crossed over into heterosexual relations too. Again though can you prove that? A book does not truth make. Would a God of love judge someone or cast them out for simply choosing to love someone of the same sex and wanting to be with them romantically? Yet in the meantime he's perfectly fine with bloodshed and death in his name, even to the point of killing first born children of those who don't obey Him? Take away the religious upbringing for a second and seriously think about that. Does that make any bit of sense? It doesn't to me. As for AIDS, if you research that, that was a government created disease in Africa, it had nothing to do with homosexuals as one may believe. quit making things up... you have no idea how it started, just like everyone else... Uh......yeah I think I do. Research it, do your homework before you spout off at the mouth. |
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Topic:
Homosexual redux
Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 05:46 PM
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It is only hurting them if they believe in God, as it specifically calls out homosexual behavior as abhorrent. It also says to stone them. But I believe Jesus changed that when he wouldn't let the crowd stone a prostitute ("Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."). That's just my opinion, plus there is aids running around, but it has crossed over into heterosexual relations too. Again though can you prove that? A book does not truth make. Would a God of love judge someone or cast them out for simply choosing to love someone of the same sex and wanting to be with them romantically? Yet in the meantime he's perfect fine with bloodshed and death in his name, even to the point of killing first born children of those who don't obey Him? Take away the religious upbringing for a second and seriously think about that. Does that make any bit of sense? It doesn't to me. As for AIDS, if you research that, that was a government created disease in Africa, it had nothing to do with homosexuals as one may believe. I'm just saying aids is out there, and promiscuous behavior spreads it. Not all homo or hetero people are promiscuous or it would be worse, regardless of where it originated. Yes, God deals harshly with those who disobey. You must understand the flesh is nothing to him, it is your soul that counts. This is why I've decided that I would not want someone ramming their beliefs on me, so I should not do it to others. Do unto others as you would have others do unto you thingy. That's fine, but.....I am not shy in telling you have I have a problem with a belief like that. I find it quite offensive to view God in such a light that he would treat people so pettily. you're entitled to your belief of course but.....it's pretty disgusting and a bit disheartening to me quite frankly. |
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Topic:
Homosexual redux
Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 05:40 PM
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It is only hurting them if they believe in God, as it specifically calls out homosexual behavior as abhorrent. It also says to stone them. But I believe Jesus changed that when he wouldn't let the crowd stone a prostitute ("Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."). That's just my opinion, plus there is aids running around, but it has crossed over into heterosexual relations too. Again though can you prove that? A book does not truth make. Would a God of love judge someone or cast them out for simply choosing to love someone of the same sex and wanting to be with them romantically? Yet in the meantime he's perfectly fine with bloodshed and death in his name, even to the point of killing first born children of those who don't obey Him? Take away the religious upbringing for a second and seriously think about that. Does that make any bit of sense? It doesn't to me. As for AIDS, if you research that, that was a government created disease in Africa, it had nothing to do with homosexuals as one may believe. |
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Topic:
Homosexual redux
Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 05:33 PM
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Christians duty is to stand up for God's Word, for it is not only His spiritual code of conduct but ours. Homosexuality is a sin—the lifestyle is considered abominable by God, not the person, for if they choose they can repent and be transformed by God. I don't go around bashing people in the head with it, but I will speak up about it if the situation arises. The greatest victory the devil gets is when believers don't do or say anything. I’m a curious person so actually have a two part question for you, as the first person to mention it... While marriage obviously has a specific religious significance to you as a Christian, the significance is different for people of other religions, and to those with no religious affiliation at all. Do you feel that only Christians should be allowed to marry? If homosexuality being an abomination is the main reason Christians protest their right to “marry”, then shouldn’t women who wear men’s clothing and people who; sew two kinds of seeds in their soil, wear clothes woven of two different cloth, eat shellfish, re-marry their ex wives who have had another husband, craft molten or graven images, also be denied the legal right to marry? According to the Bible, these and 102 other things are ALL abominations in the eyes of the Lord. I would like to understand why every Christian I know takes more offense to homosexuality than to any other abomination. Might I add it says stone them to death and they don't, so none of them are standing up for the word of God. The Bible explicitly states the exercise of free will, God wants people to come to him of their own volition because He knows forced obedience just harbors resentment and rebellion. The Bible also states judge not, for that is God's province. So we should not judge others who exercise their free will, regardless of how repulsive or deranged from nature it is. God will sort it out. I do not condone homosexuality, but it is not my place to force my beliefs on another who might not believe in God or whatever, etc. The two people involved in the behavior only hurt themselves, imo. How do you know it's truly harming them though? Because a book says it to be true? I say that with all due respect, as you seem to be a fairly intelligent man from your comments here. How do you know God thinks this way? Can you prove it? A book can tell many things, but it doesn't mean it's the truth automatically. Sometimes we need to think beyond absolutes like that. World would be far less divided if we were. |
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Topic:
Homosexual redux
Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 03:57 PM
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This is all fine and good guys but play nice. The real question is gov too involved in our life? yes...i think so... but like i said, some of it is needed... to many people with to many opinions, the government would have to step in sometime... Why should they have to? Because people get their feelings hurt? Should everyone be the same just to keep peace? No thanks. you really need this explained to you? you didn't take social studies in high school? do you really think that society could function without a government? If people weren't so god damn reliant on it, then yes. Don't you get it, they WANT you dependent on them because then they can control you exactly how they want. It's a trap dude! They don't want us to know we can handle ourselves without them, they want full power, and they'll get it too so long as we keep allowing them it. At BEST the most a government should be is VERY limited......and that does NOT include getting involved in personal affairs it does not belong in. |
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Topic:
Homosexual redux
Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 03:29 PM
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well, one thing people don't seem to understand is that there is no such thing as total freedom... some laws just need to be there, for the good of the people... i don't care if anyone is gay or not, i just don't see the need for all the "advertising" gay people do... i would like for someone to tell me what the gays cannot get out of common law marriage that others get by being married... The only reason they "advertise" is because people judge them. If people stopped JUDGING them, maybe this wouldn't be a problem. Think about it dude....... And short of that, the good of the people line is bunch of bs, most laws that remove a personal right of one person are about CONTROL, not good of the people. How does it personally effect you if gays marry, tell me how. And no that it hurts your moral code doesn't count. Get over yourself. As for common law, you do realize it takes 10 years for that to go into effect......what happens if someone dies or they split before then? SOL? It's not the same at all. maybe you should read more about common law marriage... it may vary from state to state, but i have never heard of ten years... doesn't count? don't try to tell me what counts or doesn't count in my world, if i'm against gays marrying, then i'm against it, and none of your business why... it's mainly pushy people like you that says i have to is one of the main reasons i'm against it. so, get over yourself and don't tell me how or what to think... you wanna go marry your "partner", go for it, but i will never be at one of of these "ignorant" affairs... No it doesn't count, because just cause you get all butthurt over gays marrying, doesn't give you the right to tell them they can't. It's not a damn bit of your concern, so stay out of their lives. They don't tell a straight person they can't marry can they? You are not the center of the universe, others live in it too and they may want to things different from you, deal with it. If you wanna stay prejudiced though feel free, but don't be surprised when people call you on it or push back. in your little mind, you might think it doesn't count, but guess what: your not the only one on the planet... don't even try to shove your beliefs on me, it won't work... thats the problem with gays like you, your so worried about what others think that you cannot function is society because you have this need to be accepted by everyone... First off I'm NOT gay, just defending their right to live without being made into second class citizens by people like you, but thanks for judging what you don't know. Second, maybe they wouldn't be trying to push for acceptance if people stopped subjugating them. You don't want them shoved down your throat? Then treat them with damn respect instead of looking your nose down at them for being different from you. Hard concept I know. |
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Gay parents
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What do you people think of it as im a lesbian but a single mammy?wats yr tauts? I dont understand how one can be only attracted to the same sex and still reproduce, to be honest unless they are a victim of rape,,,,which is sad, but also noble and loving to keep and raise the child You know there are other methods to have a child right? It's not THAT uncommon. |
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Topic:
Homosexual redux
Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 03:21 PM
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This is all fine and good guys but play nice. The real question is gov too involved in our life? yes...i think so... but like i said, some of it is needed... to many people with to many opinions, the government would have to step in sometime... Why should they have to? Because people get their feelings hurt? Should everyone be the same just to keep peace? No thanks. |
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Topic:
Homosexual redux
Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 03:02 PM
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well, one thing people don't seem to understand is that there is no such thing as total freedom... some laws just need to be there, for the good of the people... i don't care if anyone is gay or not, i just don't see the need for all the "advertising" gay people do... i would like for someone to tell me what the gays cannot get out of common law marriage that others get by being married... The only reason they "advertise" is because people judge them. If people stopped JUDGING them, maybe this wouldn't be a problem. Think about it dude....... And short of that, the good of the people line is bunch of bs, most laws that remove a personal right of one person are about CONTROL, not good of the people. How does it personally effect you if gays marry, tell me how. And no that it hurts your moral code doesn't count. Get over yourself. As for common law, you do realize it takes 10 years for that to go into effect......what happens if someone dies or they split before then? SOL? It's not the same at all. maybe you should read more about common law marriage... it may vary from state to state, but i have never heard of ten years... doesn't count? don't try to tell me what counts or doesn't count in my world, if i'm against gays marrying, then i'm against it, and none of your business why... it's mainly pushy people like you that says i have to is one of the main reasons i'm against it. so, get over yourself and don't tell me how or what to think... you wanna go marry your "partner", go for it, but i will never be at one of of these "ignorant" affairs... No it doesn't count, because just cause you get all butthurt over gays marrying, doesn't give you the right to tell them they can't. It's not a damn bit of your concern, so stay out of their lives. They don't tell a straight person they can't marry do they? You are not the center of the universe, others live in it too and they may want to do things different from you, deal with it. If you wanna stay prejudiced though feel free, but don't be surprised when people call you on it or push back. |
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Homosexual redux
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well, one thing people don't seem to understand is that there is no such thing as total freedom... some laws just need to be there, for the good of the people... i don't care if anyone is gay or not, i just don't see the need for all the "advertising" gay people do... i would like for someone to tell me what the gays cannot get out of common law marriage that others get by being married... The only reason they "advertise" is because people judge them. If people stopped JUDGING them, maybe this wouldn't be a problem. Think about it dude....... And short of that, the good of the people line is bunch of bs, most laws that remove a personal right of one person are about CONTROL, not good of the people. How does it personally effect you if gays marry, tell me how. And no that it hurts your moral code doesn't count. Get over yourself. As for common law, you do realize it takes 10 years for that to go into effect......what happens if someone dies or they split before then? SOL? It's not the same at all. |
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Topic:
Homosexual redux
Edited by
Kleisto
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Fri 03/22/13 01:00 PM
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I've said this before, but I'll say it again now. Although I think homosexuals DO deserve the same benefits a normal hetero married couple gets......I believe we are really asking the wrong question. It shouldn't be whether someone can or cannot get legally married whether they be gay, straight or even trans, it should be WHY are we allowing the state to have a say in our personal relationships AT ALL? What business do they have being a part of it? THAT is what should be being asked, the rest is just a smokescreen to distract from that issue IMO.
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Parents Are Not Trustees Over Their Children That is a false assertion... I feel I should correct my last post with something of an addendum... The assertion I was addressing that I called a false assertion is in fact true in most instances, but only because the state has "tricked" the birth parents into making the state the child's trustee, just as the state is the trustee of the parents (It considers most parents to be themselves "children of the state" and in the state's care under the state's obligation to care). (IMO, the state can be a bad trustee and operate in breach of trust, but the state will always have plausible deniability, so breach of trust becomes nearly impossible to prove.) This explains why children can be removed from the care of loving parents simply on the word of a CFS social worker (who may have either a grudge against the parent(s), or stands to profit in one way or another from what amounts to child abduction). So like most things, the truth of the matter goes both ways. Parents are INHERENTLY the trustees of their children, but when they register the live birth, they inform the state of a new vessel in port, and the vessel then comes under the care of the state parent/trustee, who turns that care over to the caretakers (who now get some form of consideration, like child tax benefits, etc. for taking care of the state's child) who were once the parents/trustees of the baby. The original assertion is both false (at birth) AND true (after registration). That reminds me of a story I read in an ebook about the system and how it all works to screw with us basically. It mentioned there was a guy in Michigan that had 7 kids I think, and he was seen hitting one in a store shopping with them I believe it was. Well someone saw it and called the authorities claiming child abuse. They ended up taking all his kids. Here's where it gets interesting, the next day......they came back with his youngest, and said it wasn't THEIRS. He wasn't registered into the state with a certificate, but all the others were. So that right there alone would prove presuming it's true, that when you register your child with a birth certificate, they are not your kids any longer, but property of the state. So most of us living now, are really state property and they hold full control over us for that reason in part. |
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