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God is NOT a loving god.
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I'm not saying I believe in the existence of a god, because I don't. I'm mostly posting here because the atheist forums are practically dead, which I don't really understand. Over 200k posts in religion and 1k in atheist forums. How do so many people in the age of logic and reason still believe in the existence of a god? It is written in the bible that god is a loving god, god is a forgiving god, blah blah. But in practice, god is a vindictive god, god is a childish god and god is a cruel god. The whole story about Noah's ark is basically a story about a god that got mad, threw a childish temper tantrum and killed everyone on the planet save a boatload of people and animals. Does that really seem like an all knowing god of great wisdom to anyone? If anyone has seen the movie "machine gun preacher". There's a movie based on the real life of Sam Childers, a biker that found religion after he thought he killed a man then traveling to Africa and helping to save a bunch of children from a corrupt warlord. On to my point. In the movie(based on real life) you see a bunch of children in a pile that were torched to death because they tried to escape. Was that all part of gods plan, did god "love" these children in their final minutes as they were brutally burned to death and screaming? Seems like a damned sadistic god to me. Basically what I'm saying is that if god does exist, he's pretty much using us as lab rats in his psychological experiment. All of the good stuff and "miracles" that he's let happen really do pale in comparison to all the atrocities that he's turned a blind eye to all in favor of fulfilling his "divine plan". In my honest opinion the novelty of "god" died off in the 20th century. I think that many of us are smart enough to come to the realization that the invention of a god in inevitable because we all fear death and therefore invent the prospect of an afterlife, and who would be powerful enough to design such a thing? "God" and only that. But all that is self defeating, instead of confronting our fear of death and helping to seek a method of prolonging our lives through science, we run to religion which has a long standing history of stifling science. Many people will argue the existence of a god because they feel that they've seen him in one manner or another. His face is on a door, his face was on a grilled cheese sandwich or the classic "I see it in the miracles that happen every day". Such as what? Newborn life? Every time a baby is born it's a "miracle". Well what about those born into third world countries that starve to death before they're old enough to read or what about those born into overpopulous that struggle through their entire life just trying to make ends meet(because it's a rat race just to get a job)then ultimately succumb to suicide. Was there really a point in either of those being born just to live a life of pain and suffering with no chance for a happy ending? Or perhaps people will argue the "miracles" of rain or the sun coming up each day. Nope, the sun is a giant ball of gas and the rain is just precipitation. God exists because like an imaginary friend when we have no other, we want him to exist and if we stop believing, he will not exist. When God created mankind He created us complete with a brain so we can think properly as human, plan and decide to which I believe that we us human are responsible with our individual right or wrong doing... Whether you believe or not it's your own opinion but haven't you realized that when you said here that God is blah blah blah it already proven that you believe that God really exist... It's just that... With whatever wrong doing mankind has done God is the one to blame as what you're saying when obviously it's not God who did it... Is human really created to put finger or put the blame on others? This is such a pity to us then IF god did exist in his all powerful form as people suggest then he easily has the power to intervene on all the wrongdoings but instead sits around and does nothing. He's like a police officer that sits there and watches murder happen in front of him and does nothing. Useless.. He watches people get brutally tortured until their minds are warped to pure evil on a daily basis and does nothing. Heck, according to the bible those people then end up getting punished with a trip directly to hell upon their death. As stated in the OP, IF he did exist, he's not a loving god and I'd go so far as to say the worlds biggest a--hole. If God were to wield all His powers you and your master will accuse Him of abuse. However,He had set a day to judge all the actions of Man --and that of your master and his defeated clique (Revelations 20 v 11-12) But now is time of Gods mercy and grace through Jesus Christ. He is a loving God. "master" Yeah... Slavery, yet another horrible practice that was given the religious seal of approval. Well,your generalizations are so miscued. God loves humanity whom He created so much that He offered up Himself through His Son JESUS CHRIST to reconcile humanity back to Himself. Why was that so necessary? Man sold out himself to the devil. The wicked devil became the master of Man. You are the servant to whose bidding you do. Man has turned to the devil. Consequently, evil became the lot of humanity:wars,sufferings, poverty,sickness etc Jesus came to alleviate Man from the works of the devil. Acts 10v38 : How God anointed Jesus Christ....with Holy Ghost and with power,who went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed of the devil;for God was with Him. All oppression:sicknesses, deciet of atheism,wars,all evils,unbelief has their root in the devil. DEVIL means pioneer of all evil and falsehood, deciet,lies,sin, atheism etc So dude,oppression is from the devil,not God-He is such a loving God. Still no proof of the existence of a god, just debate over the interpretations of the words in a 2000 year old fairy tale and the people that think every shift in the weather in proof of a god. So apparently he's a glorified weather man, lol... It boils down to faith, for example purposes where is your proof of the existence of George Washington other by heresay "historical documents"? Just because you put more faith into those "evidences" of George's existence doesn't trump the evidences of God's existence. Just boils down to again you place more faith into those evidences then in God's. I already covered that in the George Washington example. Stuff like that is too boring to make up. George Washington wasn't some glorified mage performing miracles, lol.. He was no different than George bush besides owning slaves and such. It's a simple matter of believably. If you tell me that Trump said in a presidential debate that he wants to put up a wall and make the Mexicans pay for it, Well, that is plausible and I am able to believe it without even looking into it really. If you tell me that there's some all powerful god and the only thing he does in present day is things that have mostly already been explained by science that happen by themselves. That I'll need a little proof on, I'm not an idiot after all. That's like the person that says "I can make myself invisible but it only happens when no one is looking!". Lol.. |
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I'm not saying I believe in the existence of a god, because I don't. I'm mostly posting here because the atheist forums are practically dead, which I don't really understand. Over 200k posts in religion and 1k in atheist forums. How do so many people in the age of logic and reason still believe in the existence of a god? It is written in the bible that god is a loving god, god is a forgiving god, blah blah. But in practice, god is a vindictive god, god is a childish god and god is a cruel god. The whole story about Noah's ark is basically a story about a god that got mad, threw a childish temper tantrum and killed everyone on the planet save a boatload of people and animals. Does that really seem like an all knowing god of great wisdom to anyone? If anyone has seen the movie "machine gun preacher". There's a movie based on the real life of Sam Childers, a biker that found religion after he thought he killed a man then traveling to Africa and helping to save a bunch of children from a corrupt warlord. On to my point. In the movie(based on real life) you see a bunch of children in a pile that were torched to death because they tried to escape. Was that all part of gods plan, did god "love" these children in their final minutes as they were brutally burned to death and screaming? Seems like a damned sadistic god to me. Basically what I'm saying is that if god does exist, he's pretty much using us as lab rats in his psychological experiment. All of the good stuff and "miracles" that he's let happen really do pale in comparison to all the atrocities that he's turned a blind eye to all in favor of fulfilling his "divine plan". In my honest opinion the novelty of "god" died off in the 20th century. I think that many of us are smart enough to come to the realization that the invention of a god in inevitable because we all fear death and therefore invent the prospect of an afterlife, and who would be powerful enough to design such a thing? "God" and only that. But all that is self defeating, instead of confronting our fear of death and helping to seek a method of prolonging our lives through science, we run to religion which has a long standing history of stifling science. Many people will argue the existence of a god because they feel that they've seen him in one manner or another. His face is on a door, his face was on a grilled cheese sandwich or the classic "I see it in the miracles that happen every day". Such as what? Newborn life? Every time a baby is born it's a "miracle". Well what about those born into third world countries that starve to death before they're old enough to read or what about those born into overpopulous that struggle through their entire life just trying to make ends meet(because it's a rat race just to get a job)then ultimately succumb to suicide. Was there really a point in either of those being born just to live a life of pain and suffering with no chance for a happy ending? Or perhaps people will argue the "miracles" of rain or the sun coming up each day. Nope, the sun is a giant ball of gas and the rain is just precipitation. God exists because like an imaginary friend when we have no other, we want him to exist and if we stop believing, he will not exist. When God created mankind He created us complete with a brain so we can think properly as human, plan and decide to which I believe that we us human are responsible with our individual right or wrong doing... Whether you believe or not it's your own opinion but haven't you realized that when you said here that God is blah blah blah it already proven that you believe that God really exist... It's just that... With whatever wrong doing mankind has done God is the one to blame as what you're saying when obviously it's not God who did it... Is human really created to put finger or put the blame on others? This is such a pity to us then IF god did exist in his all powerful form as people suggest then he easily has the power to intervene on all the wrongdoings but instead sits around and does nothing. He's like a police officer that sits there and watches murder happen in front of him and does nothing. Useless.. He watches people get brutally tortured until their minds are warped to pure evil on a daily basis and does nothing. Heck, according to the bible those people then end up getting punished with a trip directly to hell upon their death. As stated in the OP, IF he did exist, he's not a loving god and I'd go so far as to say the worlds biggest a--hole. If God were to wield all His powers you and your master will accuse Him of abuse. However,He had set a day to judge all the actions of Man --and that of your master and his defeated clique (Revelations 20 v 11-12) But now is time of Gods mercy and grace through Jesus Christ. He is a loving God. "master" Yeah... Slavery, yet another horrible practice that was given the religious seal of approval. Well,your generalizations are so miscued. God loves humanity whom He created so much that He offered up Himself through His Son JESUS CHRIST to reconcile humanity back to Himself. Why was that so necessary? Man sold out himself to the devil. The wicked devil became the master of Man. You are the servant to whose bidding you do. Man has turned to the devil. Consequently, evil became the lot of humanity:wars,sufferings, poverty,sickness etc Jesus came to alleviate Man from the works of the devil. Acts 10v38 : How God anointed Jesus Christ....with Holy Ghost and with power,who went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed of the devil;for God was with Him. All oppression:sicknesses, deciet of atheism,wars,all evils,unbelief has their root in the devil. DEVIL means pioneer of all evil and falsehood, deciet,lies,sin, atheism etc So dude,oppression is from the devil,not God-He is such a loving God. Still no proof of the existence of a god, just debate over the interpretations of the words in a 2000 year old fairy tale and the people that think every shift in the weather in proof of a god. So apparently he's a glorified weather man, lol... And where is your own proof of His nonexistence ?? Where's your proof of the nonexistence of pixie fairy unicorns that are invisible? What? Just because a storybook wasn't written about them 2000 years ago means they aren't real?? |
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I'm not saying I believe in the existence of a god, because I don't. I'm mostly posting here because the atheist forums are practically dead, which I don't really understand. Over 200k posts in religion and 1k in atheist forums. How do so many people in the age of logic and reason still believe in the existence of a god? It is written in the bible that god is a loving god, god is a forgiving god, blah blah. But in practice, god is a vindictive god, god is a childish god and god is a cruel god. The whole story about Noah's ark is basically a story about a god that got mad, threw a childish temper tantrum and killed everyone on the planet save a boatload of people and animals. Does that really seem like an all knowing god of great wisdom to anyone? If anyone has seen the movie "machine gun preacher". There's a movie based on the real life of Sam Childers, a biker that found religion after he thought he killed a man then traveling to Africa and helping to save a bunch of children from a corrupt warlord. On to my point. In the movie(based on real life) you see a bunch of children in a pile that were torched to death because they tried to escape. Was that all part of gods plan, did god "love" these children in their final minutes as they were brutally burned to death and screaming? Seems like a damned sadistic god to me. Basically what I'm saying is that if god does exist, he's pretty much using us as lab rats in his psychological experiment. All of the good stuff and "miracles" that he's let happen really do pale in comparison to all the atrocities that he's turned a blind eye to all in favor of fulfilling his "divine plan". In my honest opinion the novelty of "god" died off in the 20th century. I think that many of us are smart enough to come to the realization that the invention of a god in inevitable because we all fear death and therefore invent the prospect of an afterlife, and who would be powerful enough to design such a thing? "God" and only that. But all that is self defeating, instead of confronting our fear of death and helping to seek a method of prolonging our lives through science, we run to religion which has a long standing history of stifling science. Many people will argue the existence of a god because they feel that they've seen him in one manner or another. His face is on a door, his face was on a grilled cheese sandwich or the classic "I see it in the miracles that happen every day". Such as what? Newborn life? Every time a baby is born it's a "miracle". Well what about those born into third world countries that starve to death before they're old enough to read or what about those born into overpopulous that struggle through their entire life just trying to make ends meet(because it's a rat race just to get a job)then ultimately succumb to suicide. Was there really a point in either of those being born just to live a life of pain and suffering with no chance for a happy ending? Or perhaps people will argue the "miracles" of rain or the sun coming up each day. Nope, the sun is a giant ball of gas and the rain is just precipitation. God exists because like an imaginary friend when we have no other, we want him to exist and if we stop believing, he will not exist. When God created mankind He created us complete with a brain so we can think properly as human, plan and decide to which I believe that we us human are responsible with our individual right or wrong doing... Whether you believe or not it's your own opinion but haven't you realized that when you said here that God is blah blah blah it already proven that you believe that God really exist... It's just that... With whatever wrong doing mankind has done God is the one to blame as what you're saying when obviously it's not God who did it... Is human really created to put finger or put the blame on others? This is such a pity to us then IF god did exist in his all powerful form as people suggest then he easily has the power to intervene on all the wrongdoings but instead sits around and does nothing. He's like a police officer that sits there and watches murder happen in front of him and does nothing. Useless.. He watches people get brutally tortured until their minds are warped to pure evil on a daily basis and does nothing. Heck, according to the bible those people then end up getting punished with a trip directly to hell upon their death. As stated in the OP, IF he did exist, he's not a loving god and I'd go so far as to say the worlds biggest a--hole. If God were to wield all His powers you and your master will accuse Him of abuse. However,He had set a day to judge all the actions of Man --and that of your master and his defeated clique (Revelations 20 v 11-12) But now is time of Gods mercy and grace through Jesus Christ. He is a loving God. "master" Yeah... Slavery, yet another horrible practice that was given the religious seal of approval. Well,your generalizations are so miscued. God loves humanity whom He created so much that He offered up Himself through His Son JESUS CHRIST to reconcile humanity back to Himself. Why was that so necessary? Man sold out himself to the devil. The wicked devil became the master of Man. You are the servant to whose bidding you do. Man has turned to the devil. Consequently, evil became the lot of humanity:wars,sufferings, poverty,sickness etc Jesus came to alleviate Man from the works of the devil. Acts 10v38 : How God anointed Jesus Christ....with Holy Ghost and with power,who went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed of the devil;for God was with Him. All oppression:sicknesses, deciet of atheism,wars,all evils,unbelief has their root in the devil. DEVIL means pioneer of all evil and falsehood, deciet,lies,sin, atheism etc So dude,oppression is from the devil,not God-He is such a loving God. Still no proof of the existence of a god, just debate over the interpretations of the words in a 2000 year old fairy tale and the people that think every shift in the weather in proof of a god. So apparently he's a glorified weather man, lol... |
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Like I said, the bible and religion in general contradicts itself a stupid number of times Also incorrect. Our feeble minds and language barrier through interpretations contradicts each other. Some of the words from the ancient Hebrew are actually not understood in the bible. But are transliterated the best man knows how into the English language using context of surrounding words. That may not be translated totally correctly, as again they were translated/transliterated by mortal minds. Actually, there are many contradictions in the Bible. For instance: 2 Samuel 24:1 24 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. 1 Chronicles 21:1 21 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. You can look these passages up in an interlinear Bible and compare the Hebrew if you like. You will see that "satan"(*See footnote) is not found anywhere in the 2 Samuel passage. There are many other examples as well. But, just for the sake of argument, let's say you're right. Let's just say that all of the apparent contradictions are just that...apparent contradictions. And, these apparent contradictions are a result of "Our feeble minds and language barrier through interpretations contradicts each other. Some of the words from the ancient Hebrew are actually not understood in the bible. But are transliterated the best man knows how into the English language using context of surrounding words. That may not be translated totally correctly, as again they were translated/transliterated by mortal minds." Wouldn't an all-knowing god, who ostensibly designed our brains, our system of communication, as well as all languages, have foreseen this problem and saw to it that his all-important words were accurately preserved in a single, easy to understand language? I would certainly think so. But, then again, I expect God to act like a god. *For the record:Yes, I know that the Hebrew word we translate "satan" is not a proper name, and doesn't apply to one single entity.Still, the word doesn't appear in the 2 Samuel passage at all. It's clear that that passage attributes the manipulation to Yahweh. There has been much more obvious and straight forward contradictions in the bible. God loves us all equally. God hates gays. Granted the actual bible passages may differ but the message is the same. |
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I'm not saying I believe in the existence of a god, because I don't. I'm mostly posting here because the atheist forums are practically dead, which I don't really understand. Over 200k posts in religion and 1k in atheist forums. How do so many people in the age of logic and reason still believe in the existence of a god? It is written in the bible that god is a loving god, god is a forgiving god, blah blah. But in practice, god is a vindictive god, god is a childish god and god is a cruel god. The whole story about Noah's ark is basically a story about a god that got mad, threw a childish temper tantrum and killed everyone on the planet save a boatload of people and animals. Does that really seem like an all knowing god of great wisdom to anyone? If anyone has seen the movie "machine gun preacher". There's a movie based on the real life of Sam Childers, a biker that found religion after he thought he killed a man then traveling to Africa and helping to save a bunch of children from a corrupt warlord. On to my point. In the movie(based on real life) you see a bunch of children in a pile that were torched to death because they tried to escape. Was that all part of gods plan, did god "love" these children in their final minutes as they were brutally burned to death and screaming? Seems like a damned sadistic god to me. Basically what I'm saying is that if god does exist, he's pretty much using us as lab rats in his psychological experiment. All of the good stuff and "miracles" that he's let happen really do pale in comparison to all the atrocities that he's turned a blind eye to all in favor of fulfilling his "divine plan". In my honest opinion the novelty of "god" died off in the 20th century. I think that many of us are smart enough to come to the realization that the invention of a god in inevitable because we all fear death and therefore invent the prospect of an afterlife, and who would be powerful enough to design such a thing? "God" and only that. But all that is self defeating, instead of confronting our fear of death and helping to seek a method of prolonging our lives through science, we run to religion which has a long standing history of stifling science. Many people will argue the existence of a god because they feel that they've seen him in one manner or another. His face is on a door, his face was on a grilled cheese sandwich or the classic "I see it in the miracles that happen every day". Such as what? Newborn life? Every time a baby is born it's a "miracle". Well what about those born into third world countries that starve to death before they're old enough to read or what about those born into overpopulous that struggle through their entire life just trying to make ends meet(because it's a rat race just to get a job)then ultimately succumb to suicide. Was there really a point in either of those being born just to live a life of pain and suffering with no chance for a happy ending? Or perhaps people will argue the "miracles" of rain or the sun coming up each day. Nope, the sun is a giant ball of gas and the rain is just precipitation. God exists because like an imaginary friend when we have no other, we want him to exist and if we stop believing, he will not exist. When God created mankind He created us complete with a brain so we can think properly as human, plan and decide to which I believe that we us human are responsible with our individual right or wrong doing... Whether you believe or not it's your own opinion but haven't you realized that when you said here that God is blah blah blah it already proven that you believe that God really exist... It's just that... With whatever wrong doing mankind has done God is the one to blame as what you're saying when obviously it's not God who did it... Is human really created to put finger or put the blame on others? This is such a pity to us then IF god did exist in his all powerful form as people suggest then he easily has the power to intervene on all the wrongdoings but instead sits around and does nothing. He's like a police officer that sits there and watches murder happen in front of him and does nothing. Useless.. He watches people get brutally tortured until their minds are warped to pure evil on a daily basis and does nothing. Heck, according to the bible those people then end up getting punished with a trip directly to hell upon their death. As stated in the OP, IF he did exist, he's not a loving god and I'd go so far as to say the worlds biggest a--hole. Only seen that way through eyes that only see this world. This world is temporary, everything that happens, happened, happening, or will happen on this Earth is merely temporary. It's a trail period towards eternity. He's not just sitting back doing nothing my friend. All will reap what they sow, good or bad in due time. Again, this world is but temporary. Going on the general age area, 70 years on this Earth is but a blink of an eye compared to eternity. So what's the big deal some bad things may happen in between those 70 years when it's followed by an eternity of being personally in the paradise with our Father? Or if that 14-70 years is utter crap and warps your mind to evil then you get eternity in hell(apparently), suffering and screaming in eternal torment but god loves us all equally and that's why we have such an uneven chance of making it into heaven. There's those of us that get kicked into the dirt on a daily basis and those of us that get a free ride through life on daddy's cash and have amazing looks and charisma and were born into the family that follows the correct religion, since there's like, 20+ religions all conflicting with one another so it's like a lotery to see if you can get the right one and follow it well enough to make it into 'heaven'. Like I said, the bible and religion in general contradicts itself a stupid number of times. Religion was just invented by those in power to keep the people docile. Do good and you get to go to heaven, be good and Santa will bring you what you want. Only difference between Santa and god is that one gets debunked once we reach a certain age and the other doesn't get officially debunked until after we're dead. Or if that 14-70 years is utter crap and warps your mind to evil then you get eternity in hell(apparently), suffering and screaming in eternal torment but god loves us all equally and that's why we have such an uneven chance of making it into heaven. Incorrect "Hell" is nothing more then the grave basically. Some translations translate where it says hell into grave, others don't. Some translate grave into hell in places, others don't. Hell is but a holding place, it is the grave. That's why Jesus spent 3 days in hell. Matthew 12:40 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. In the following verse, notice hell gives up the dead for judgement, thus being in hell prior to judgement. Revelation 20:13 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Then we have the following verse that shows my point of hell not being eternal. Revelation 20:14/15 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. There is no eternal torment. You either receive eternal life through Jesus Christ and not of one's own doing. Or receive eternal death. No torment/torture or anything of such. were born into the family that follows the correct religion, God doesn't care about "religion" my friend. He cares about a relationship with you and all the rest of us. It's a pity secular people have placed God into "religion" where it doesn't belong. Like I said, the bible and religion in general contradicts itself a stupid number of times Also incorrect. Our feeble minds and language barrier through interpretations contradicts each other. Some of the words from the ancient Hebrew are actually not understood in the bible. But are transliterated the best man knows how into the English language using context of surrounding words. That may not be translated totally correctly, as again they were translated/transliterated by mortal minds. Even if the bible were to have been of a single language, it's a 2000 year time span, those stories got passed through so many hands that it could have begun as "suzie picked a berry" and ended as "jesus rose from the dead". And even you should know that the bible was written by the hands of man, not god, so not much in that can be trusted if any. I mean, don't get me wrong, if you want to logically follow the belief that there MIGHT be a higher being than us out there then I have no issue with that. But following the teachings of a 2000 year old fairy tale book is another. Also I don't believe you remarked as to how god has done nothing big or magical since we'd be able to capture real proof of it came around. Funny how arguments for religion tend to avoid obvious plot holes. And no, making it rain isn't god, that's explained through science on a rather basic level. You can't just look at anything that happens that we don't directly control and say "god did it!", that's silly. |
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I'm not saying I believe in the existence of a god, because I don't. I'm mostly posting here because the atheist forums are practically dead, which I don't really understand. Over 200k posts in religion and 1k in atheist forums. How do so many people in the age of logic and reason still believe in the existence of a god? It is written in the bible that god is a loving god, god is a forgiving god, blah blah. But in practice, god is a vindictive god, god is a childish god and god is a cruel god. The whole story about Noah's ark is basically a story about a god that got mad, threw a childish temper tantrum and killed everyone on the planet save a boatload of people and animals. Does that really seem like an all knowing god of great wisdom to anyone? If anyone has seen the movie "machine gun preacher". There's a movie based on the real life of Sam Childers, a biker that found religion after he thought he killed a man then traveling to Africa and helping to save a bunch of children from a corrupt warlord. On to my point. In the movie(based on real life) you see a bunch of children in a pile that were torched to death because they tried to escape. Was that all part of gods plan, did god "love" these children in their final minutes as they were brutally burned to death and screaming? Seems like a damned sadistic god to me. Basically what I'm saying is that if god does exist, he's pretty much using us as lab rats in his psychological experiment. All of the good stuff and "miracles" that he's let happen really do pale in comparison to all the atrocities that he's turned a blind eye to all in favor of fulfilling his "divine plan". In my honest opinion the novelty of "god" died off in the 20th century. I think that many of us are smart enough to come to the realization that the invention of a god in inevitable because we all fear death and therefore invent the prospect of an afterlife, and who would be powerful enough to design such a thing? "God" and only that. But all that is self defeating, instead of confronting our fear of death and helping to seek a method of prolonging our lives through science, we run to religion which has a long standing history of stifling science. Many people will argue the existence of a god because they feel that they've seen him in one manner or another. His face is on a door, his face was on a grilled cheese sandwich or the classic "I see it in the miracles that happen every day". Such as what? Newborn life? Every time a baby is born it's a "miracle". Well what about those born into third world countries that starve to death before they're old enough to read or what about those born into overpopulous that struggle through their entire life just trying to make ends meet(because it's a rat race just to get a job)then ultimately succumb to suicide. Was there really a point in either of those being born just to live a life of pain and suffering with no chance for a happy ending? Or perhaps people will argue the "miracles" of rain or the sun coming up each day. Nope, the sun is a giant ball of gas and the rain is just precipitation. God exists because like an imaginary friend when we have no other, we want him to exist and if we stop believing, he will not exist. When God created mankind He created us complete with a brain so we can think properly as human, plan and decide to which I believe that we us human are responsible with our individual right or wrong doing... Whether you believe or not it's your own opinion but haven't you realized that when you said here that God is blah blah blah it already proven that you believe that God really exist... It's just that... With whatever wrong doing mankind has done God is the one to blame as what you're saying when obviously it's not God who did it... Is human really created to put finger or put the blame on others? This is such a pity to us then IF god did exist in his all powerful form as people suggest then he easily has the power to intervene on all the wrongdoings but instead sits around and does nothing. He's like a police officer that sits there and watches murder happen in front of him and does nothing. Useless.. He watches people get brutally tortured until their minds are warped to pure evil on a daily basis and does nothing. Heck, according to the bible those people then end up getting punished with a trip directly to hell upon their death. As stated in the OP, IF he did exist, he's not a loving god and I'd go so far as to say the worlds biggest a--hole. If God were to wield all His powers you and your master will accuse Him of abuse. However,He had set a day to judge all the actions of Man --and that of your master and his defeated clique (Revelations 20 v 11-12) But now is time of Gods mercy and grace through Jesus Christ. He is a loving God. "master" Yeah... Slavery, yet another horrible practice that was given the religious seal of approval. |
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I'm not saying I believe in the existence of a god, because I don't. I'm mostly posting here because the atheist forums are practically dead, which I don't really understand. Over 200k posts in religion and 1k in atheist forums. How do so many people in the age of logic and reason still believe in the existence of a god? It is written in the bible that god is a loving god, god is a forgiving god, blah blah. But in practice, god is a vindictive god, god is a childish god and god is a cruel god. The whole story about Noah's ark is basically a story about a god that got mad, threw a childish temper tantrum and killed everyone on the planet save a boatload of people and animals. Does that really seem like an all knowing god of great wisdom to anyone? If anyone has seen the movie "machine gun preacher". There's a movie based on the real life of Sam Childers, a biker that found religion after he thought he killed a man then traveling to Africa and helping to save a bunch of children from a corrupt warlord. On to my point. In the movie(based on real life) you see a bunch of children in a pile that were torched to death because they tried to escape. Was that all part of gods plan, did god "love" these children in their final minutes as they were brutally burned to death and screaming? Seems like a damned sadistic god to me. Basically what I'm saying is that if god does exist, he's pretty much using us as lab rats in his psychological experiment. All of the good stuff and "miracles" that he's let happen really do pale in comparison to all the atrocities that he's turned a blind eye to all in favor of fulfilling his "divine plan". In my honest opinion the novelty of "god" died off in the 20th century. I think that many of us are smart enough to come to the realization that the invention of a god in inevitable because we all fear death and therefore invent the prospect of an afterlife, and who would be powerful enough to design such a thing? "God" and only that. But all that is self defeating, instead of confronting our fear of death and helping to seek a method of prolonging our lives through science, we run to religion which has a long standing history of stifling science. Many people will argue the existence of a god because they feel that they've seen him in one manner or another. His face is on a door, his face was on a grilled cheese sandwich or the classic "I see it in the miracles that happen every day". Such as what? Newborn life? Every time a baby is born it's a "miracle". Well what about those born into third world countries that starve to death before they're old enough to read or what about those born into overpopulous that struggle through their entire life just trying to make ends meet(because it's a rat race just to get a job)then ultimately succumb to suicide. Was there really a point in either of those being born just to live a life of pain and suffering with no chance for a happy ending? Or perhaps people will argue the "miracles" of rain or the sun coming up each day. Nope, the sun is a giant ball of gas and the rain is just precipitation. God exists because like an imaginary friend when we have no other, we want him to exist and if we stop believing, he will not exist. When God created mankind He created us complete with a brain so we can think properly as human, plan and decide to which I believe that we us human are responsible with our individual right or wrong doing... Whether you believe or not it's your own opinion but haven't you realized that when you said here that God is blah blah blah it already proven that you believe that God really exist... It's just that... With whatever wrong doing mankind has done God is the one to blame as what you're saying when obviously it's not God who did it... Is human really created to put finger or put the blame on others? This is such a pity to us then IF god did exist in his all powerful form as people suggest then he easily has the power to intervene on all the wrongdoings but instead sits around and does nothing. He's like a police officer that sits there and watches murder happen in front of him and does nothing. Useless.. He watches people get brutally tortured until their minds are warped to pure evil on a daily basis and does nothing. Heck, according to the bible those people then end up getting punished with a trip directly to hell upon their death. As stated in the OP, IF he did exist, he's not a loving god and I'd go so far as to say the worlds biggest a--hole. Only seen that way through eyes that only see this world. This world is temporary, everything that happens, happened, happening, or will happen on this Earth is merely temporary. It's a trail period towards eternity. He's not just sitting back doing nothing my friend. All will reap what they sow, good or bad in due time. Again, this world is but temporary. Going on the general age area, 70 years on this Earth is but a blink of an eye compared to eternity. So what's the big deal some bad things may happen in between those 70 years when it's followed by an eternity of being personally in the paradise with our Father? Or if that 14-70 years is utter crap and warps your mind to evil then you get eternity in hell(apparently), suffering and screaming in eternal torment but god loves us all equally and that's why we have such an uneven chance of making it into heaven. There's those of us that get kicked into the dirt on a daily basis and those of us that get a free ride through life on daddy's cash and have amazing looks and charisma and were born into the family that follows the correct religion, since there's like, 20+ religions all conflicting with one another so it's like a lotery to see if you can get the right one and follow it well enough to make it into 'heaven'. Like I said, the bible and religion in general contradicts itself a stupid number of times. Religion was just invented by those in power to keep the people docile. Do good and you get to go to heaven, be good and Santa will bring you what you want. Only difference between Santa and god is that one gets debunked once we reach a certain age and the other doesn't get officially debunked until after we're dead. |
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I'm not saying I believe in the existence of a god, because I don't. I'm mostly posting here because the atheist forums are practically dead, which I don't really understand. Over 200k posts in religion and 1k in atheist forums. How do so many people in the age of logic and reason still believe in the existence of a god? It is written in the bible that god is a loving god, god is a forgiving god, blah blah. But in practice, god is a vindictive god, god is a childish god and god is a cruel god. The whole story about Noah's ark is basically a story about a god that got mad, threw a childish temper tantrum and killed everyone on the planet save a boatload of people and animals. Does that really seem like an all knowing god of great wisdom to anyone? If anyone has seen the movie "machine gun preacher". There's a movie based on the real life of Sam Childers, a biker that found religion after he thought he killed a man then traveling to Africa and helping to save a bunch of children from a corrupt warlord. On to my point. In the movie(based on real life) you see a bunch of children in a pile that were torched to death because they tried to escape. Was that all part of gods plan, did god "love" these children in their final minutes as they were brutally burned to death and screaming? Seems like a damned sadistic god to me. Basically what I'm saying is that if god does exist, he's pretty much using us as lab rats in his psychological experiment. All of the good stuff and "miracles" that he's let happen really do pale in comparison to all the atrocities that he's turned a blind eye to all in favor of fulfilling his "divine plan". In my honest opinion the novelty of "god" died off in the 20th century. I think that many of us are smart enough to come to the realization that the invention of a god in inevitable because we all fear death and therefore invent the prospect of an afterlife, and who would be powerful enough to design such a thing? "God" and only that. But all that is self defeating, instead of confronting our fear of death and helping to seek a method of prolonging our lives through science, we run to religion which has a long standing history of stifling science. Many people will argue the existence of a god because they feel that they've seen him in one manner or another. His face is on a door, his face was on a grilled cheese sandwich or the classic "I see it in the miracles that happen every day". Such as what? Newborn life? Every time a baby is born it's a "miracle". Well what about those born into third world countries that starve to death before they're old enough to read or what about those born into overpopulous that struggle through their entire life just trying to make ends meet(because it's a rat race just to get a job)then ultimately succumb to suicide. Was there really a point in either of those being born just to live a life of pain and suffering with no chance for a happy ending? Or perhaps people will argue the "miracles" of rain or the sun coming up each day. Nope, the sun is a giant ball of gas and the rain is just precipitation. God exists because like an imaginary friend when we have no other, we want him to exist and if we stop believing, he will not exist. When God created mankind He created us complete with a brain so we can think properly as human, plan and decide to which I believe that we us human are responsible with our individual right or wrong doing... Whether you believe or not it's your own opinion but haven't you realized that when you said here that God is blah blah blah it already proven that you believe that God really exist... It's just that... With whatever wrong doing mankind has done God is the one to blame as what you're saying when obviously it's not God who did it... Is human really created to put finger or put the blame on others? This is such a pity to us then IF god did exist in his all powerful form as people suggest then he easily has the power to intervene on all the wrongdoings but instead sits around and does nothing. He's like a police officer that sits there and watches murder happen in front of him and does nothing. Useless.. He watches people get brutally tortured until their minds are warped to pure evil on a daily basis and does nothing. Heck, according to the bible those people then end up getting punished with a trip directly to hell upon their death. As stated in the OP, IF he did exist, he's not a loving god and I'd go so far as to say the worlds biggest a--hole. |
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More on-topic, how about this: Remember the story where David boinked Bathsheba, and then had her husband bumped off when she turned up pregnant? If you don't, you can read it in 2 Samuel, Chapters 11&12. Let's see what God did about that: "15 After Nathan had gone home, the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill. 16 David pleaded with God for the child. He fasted and spent the nights lying in sackcloth on the ground. 17 The elders of his household stood beside him to get him up from the ground, but he refused, and he would not eat any food with them. 18 On the seventh day the child died." So, David breaks a number of God's laws, and God retaliates by killing an innocent infant. Yep. That's a loving god, all right.  What's essentially not loving about that? Yes the child's life was taken because of David's disobedience too the Lord, but that just means the child never had too feel or experience anything negative or foul through life, not even the feel of a paper cut. And please try to keep things in context, this is Old Testament, thus they were under the old covenant. Sins passed down if forgiveness had not be sought after. So therefore the child gave his life for David's sins. So with the taking of the child's life, the sin was forgiven. For sins are only forgiven through blood shed. Hebrews 9:22 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. Thus their many different laws/regulations on sacrificing beasts in the old testament for forgiveness of sins. With the LORD taking the life of the child, the child paid for the sins of his father along with David personally being punished for his sins with loosing his child. In the OT times/covenant we were punished here on Earth for our sins and wrong doings. David blasphemed the Lord 2 Samuel 12:14 14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. The first thing that strikes me about your reply is that it is a good example of how religion warps ones thinking. I cannot imagine you defending anyone else killing an infant. Only God. He has the best PR Agency of all time. He gets all the credit for the good stuff, and none of the blame for the bad. Sir, allow me to reiterate...GOD killed an INFANT! It's true that the child never experienced any negative things as a result of God killing him in cold blood, but he also didn't get to experience any of the good things, either. He was just a pawn. Keep things in context? I am keeping things in context. The subject of this thread is that God is NOT a loving god. My example is one of many that I could, and may yet, provide that supports the OP's contention. Old covenant or New, God is god, right? His standards, his morality, and his justice shouldn't change. And, according to the Bible, God doesn't change: Malachi 3:6 - "For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." I don't know if you believe in the Trinity or not, but if you do, this one applies here as well: Hebrews 13:8 - "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." And, while I'm quoting scripture, note that the Bible clearly states that the child could not pay for his father's sin, as you contended: Deuteronomy 24:16 "16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." Psalm 49:7 "7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:" Ezekiel 18:20 "20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him." As you said, David blasphemed the Lord. Therefore, HE should have been killed, not the child. But, Yahweh killed the kid, anyway. Of course, the primitive folks who were writing these stories had no problem with that, because they were still operating under primitive theology. As far as they were concerned, whatever Yahweh did, it was automatically right, even if it was evil: Isaiah 45:7 "7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." But, as time went by, theology evolved. During the Exile, Israel was exposed to Persian dualism, and Presto! They had their answer. Give Yahweh credit for the good stuff, and blame the bad stuff on someone else. However, I hold God to a higher standard. After all, he's God. Right? I expect him to act like it. And, killing infants in order to punish someone else is not loving god behavior as far as I'm concerned. Also...don't you find the concept of blood sacrifice for remission of sin to be primitive, barbarous, and repugnant? I don't know nearly enough of the bible to begin making quotes of it but I know enough to know that it contradicts itself more times than I can count. It's a very poetic book meant to enslave the feeble minded. I don't mean that as an insult mind you, at least not to those that are able to view things objectively and not just follow blindly the teachings of a 2000 year old fairy tale. As for the last sentence you said, many barbaric rituals are carried on because of the bible, circumcision(baby mutilation) for instance. Yet another reason people should pull their heads into common day and stop following that trash. If it were up to the bible thumpers(that is those that follow the bible 'religiously') we'd be stuck in the dark ages until the end of our days. |
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Speaking the truth is insulting? Maybe to some but if you actually open your eyes and view things from an objective standpoint and don't let your years of brainwashing cloud your judgment and your ability to use basic logic then you may consider what I'm saying instead of merely feeling insult over it.
Like, seriously, when cameras and smartphones and television were invented did god just go "oh no... they can see me on a mass scale now! I'm so outta here!" /hides. But before the days of solid evidence he was sending down all his disciples and parting seas and performing miracles and speaking out of burning bushes etc.. Religious people find what I say to be insulting because they have no solid argument against my words. Because it challenges everything that they've been brainwashed for years/decades to believe. One argument I see used quite often is "well how do we know George Washington existed?" and to that I reply, because he wasn't a flying magical pixie from the planet Zolton here to save humanity from our sins. Those truths are simply too boring to make up unlike half the rubbish padding the bible pages. |
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Nope, we're all just kidding. Ha ha, dating profile, yay!
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I agree with you, moe. But, he's saying that there is EXTRA-biblical proof that Jesus was resurrected. That I'd like to see. there's not much proof he was ever a real person... seems the kingly records of the time would mention something about it... * Evidence from Tacitus * Evidence from Pliny the Younger * Evidence from Josephus - About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared * Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud * Evidence from Lucian But as this sub discussion in this thread isn't specifically what the topic is about I did not include what evidences of Jesus' existence in all these references. Can further inform if requested. evidence is one thing, proof is another... The difference is perspective and that's but an opinion on how one wishes too look at something. Outside of that, they are the same thing. Well, we can pick apart the grammar of it all day but obviously what's meant is that without solid proof, god, jesus and the entire bible are no more real than a 2000 year old children's fairy tale. People seem to forget that until the last couple hundred years, there was a lot of boredom because we didn't have so much as a television or even phone of any kind. In a world ripe with ignorance and boredom such fairy tales are bound to spread like wildfire. Note how any serious godly interventions of any kind disappeared from existence when people found stuff to do? I am reminded of the phrase "Idle hands are the devil's playground". Well it rings oh so true in many ways. Idle hands and idle minds are god and the devil's playground. Or in laments terms, bored people make **** up. |
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He is evidenced in the lives of all who believe in him irrespective of race or nationality. He ressurrected because He lives in our hearts....we who believe. He exists in the lives of all who believe in him, lol... So does flying pink unicorns, doesn't mean they're real. |
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I think one of the hardest things to do as a human in these days is to have any faith in God at all...we as people are so warped by our governments...not to mention the elitists that own the puppets...everyone hating everyone...yup..the governments did their job well...but human behavior has nothing to do with Gods undying love for us souls...hate is a human emotion...God loves souls...Humans love themselves....a small percentage of humans created all the issues we have on earth...out of greed...not God..Gods love is...we just need to understand he's not human....and those humans that did all the wrong....they will get their just reward...it's hard to think an entity as great as God would just sit back and let us suffer like we do...but his design is simple...love as he loves...greedy and power hungry souls are the problem...but Gods love is always there..hint...anything that is related to money has nothing to do with Gods love...jmo  The only place that god exists is in our eternal sleep (IE: in our dreams). Super convenient. Btw, the gov's want god to exist, at least in the minds of the people because it keeps them mindless and docile. So long as god "exists" the gov can do whatever it wants while half the people don't even care because they think the best part of their lives will come after they're dead. As well the people don't think about punishing those that ruin our society because we think some all powerful god will do it for us. God is nothing more than a sign of man giving up on themselves, we give all of our power to a non-existent entity. That last sentence I know is not the case for all people but for many people that's exactly what it is. |
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Thank you.
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I don't just mean women that are hideous or closed off from society because anything that's said to them gets a 1-5 word answer at best. Don't get me wrong, I'm not super picky about looks but I'm not looking for a girl that's a boring cookie cutter personality and only feeling rejected due to looks. I'm looking for a girl that swears a lot, hates the government, society and perhaps most people in general and isn't afraid to speak her mind about it. A girl that has the ability to view the world and everything in it(including herself) objectively.
But one that's kind to those that would show her compassion. I'm not a pothead myself but I wouldn't mind if she was. I dig stoner personalities. I mean the chatty ones, not the deadheads. When I say a girl that swears a lot, I don't mean a mean girl but just one that doesn't give a **** and will let others know it. Although my English is quite good(even for a natural speaker of the language), my use of it isn't always so good. I can often offend people without meaning to and so I'd need a girl that's well mitigated or just not easily offended. Maybe that's "TLDR" for some people but it is what it is, criticism is welcome. |
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You should never trust anyone you don't know. That's a load of crap. This is the way most women think and that makes it 100X harder to find a women because every woman out there thinks that every guy out there is some kinda serial rapist... So when nice guy's try to talk to women they get treated like crap because of how other guys talk to them. I think you should trust guys until they prove themselves not trustworthy because you're just hurting a lot of guys that don't deserve it. |
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i don't understand why people think their god is "loving"... the way i see it, anything with that much power is anything but loving... It's called obsession. It's like those people that obsess over rock stars to the extent that they think the rockstar is in love with them and that half the stuff written in their songs is directed at them. But religion is much more of an epidemic and backed up by multiple factors including centuries of bored ignorant individuals fearful of death that got together and stitched together fairy tails which got passed on through the ages until they became "fact". People these days are like beaten housewifes that sit around and just accept everything they're told because they don't feel they can change it or lack confidence in their own intellect to figure things out without an over simplified explanation. I mean we can learn about the molecules and the atoms and the quarks or we can just sit back, wave an arm in the air and say, nothing needs explanation, god did it all, case closed! But imho it all boils down to a lazy, lazy, over-contented society of sheep. It's sad really because we live in the information age but also an age of over-indulgence and instant gratification. We know more than we ever have and at the same time have the least power to change anything. Back in the alleged days of Adam and Eve, one person making a decision could change the world because that one person was 50% of the world's population but now we need millions of people to make a decision in a single direction to make any worthwhile change and that's what's so exhausting about the current world that we live in. Religion is just another tool used by politicians to keep us content until death and once we're dead, we're no longer a problem for them. We do good things and follow the rules of our societies and we get to go to heaven, **** 72 virgins, rub Buddha's forehead or whatever. |
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OmG, I can't believe this thread is still going, it's truly perpetual. XD
Oops, guess it's not. Didn't look at the date of last post, lol.. |
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"They care only about themselves. As they grow, they usually learn to care about others. Some don't. These are sociopaths and psychopaths. It is only love that can banish "evil."
That's true to an extent but I can tell you that my experience was quite the opposite, I was born loving and caring and taught through years of abuse and neglect to stop caring about others without a reward attached. Of course it's always my first reaction to care about people without setting conditions but my second reaction is always to pull back from the first as I have not had many good experiences with people. |
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