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hornier than a 3 peckered billy goat
more nervous than a wh*re in church (isaac, u have mail) |
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The very word simile means similar. What is similar her between deer guts and a door knob? And what was implied? The slickness? LOL..........not going to quibble over such stupid stuff! Look up the definition it is a simile.... |
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Just so we know.
a metaphor is the compairison of two things WITHOUT using thw words like or as or than ie Her hair is silk. Her hair is not really silk, however it is compaired to silk by saying that it is silk, the compairison comes because we know that hair is not made of silk a simile is the compairson of 2 things using seperator words like, as or than Her hair is like silk. It keeps the items seperate. a mnemonic for a simile is that "a simile is similar or alike." So we know the difference know Peccy and Lex?? |
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Well, we might as well get this thing right:
Simile is defined as: a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as (as in cheeks like roses). http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/simile ....so, "He's as dumb as an ox" is clearly a simile because a direction comparison between his intelligence and that of an ox is being made. Also, the word "as" is used. "He's dumber than an ox" is not a simile, because no direct equality (i.e., similarity) comparison is being claimed. Rather, this is an expression of a qualitative difference -- something quite separate and apart from what a simile is, and from what a simile is intended to do. We are emphasizing a difference here, not a similarity. If "He's dumber than an ox" is a simile, then the same could be said for any statement which presented an unequal comparison of qualitative values -- and this is clearly not the case. Look up the definition of "simile" in any dictionary, or any dictionary-based website. They always mention the terms "like" and "as" when expressing the basis of the comparison that underlies the simile. Not a one (that I've seen) mentions comparatives using "than" or words ending in a comparative "_er" -- smarter, dumber, bigger, older, etc. I assume that's because to make the qualitative comparison that one thing is ___________er than the other, no longer involves the kind of direct comparative scenario that a simile requires. Rather it becomes an expression of difference. And similes do not exist to express differences; quite the contrary. |
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Edited by
Lily0923
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Sat 05/03/08 03:51 PM
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It has nothing to do with the things being copaired, it is the verbage inwhich you use to do it.
The arguement was hairier as a bowling ball Is still a simile by definition. That only proves to be an ironic simile. His definition is about as accurate as a blind archer. is a subverse ironic simile. all still similes due to verbage and not content of the sentence. |
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The arguement was as hairy as a bowling ball You're missing my point. "As hairy as a bowling ball" is a simile. "Hairier than a bowling ball" isn't. Your contention that "slicker than deer guts on a doorknob" is a simile, is incorrect. No direct equivalency ("Similarity," a requirement for it ot be a "simile") is being implied or indicated in the latter two examples. But don't argue with me, go argue with the 2000 websites that support my contention.... Find me an example where an authority says that a comparative statement using "than" with a "______er" word is a simile. If you can, I will gracefully admit to being wrong. (Lord knows I've admitted it at least 50 million times already, one more isn't going to hurt....) But I'll bet you three Arby's coupons you can't do it!  |
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Edited by
FearandLoathing
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Sat 05/03/08 11:01 PM
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Well, we might as well get this thing right: Simile is defined as: a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as (as in cheeks like roses). http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/simile ....so, "He's as dumb as an ox" is clearly a simile because a direction comparison between his intelligence and that of an ox is being made. Also, the word "as" is used. "He's dumber than an ox" is not a simile, because no direct equality (i.e., similarity) comparison is being claimed. Rather, this is an expression of a qualitative difference -- something quite separate and apart from what a simile is, and from what a simile is intended to do. We are emphasizing a difference here, not a similarity. If "He's dumber than an ox" is a simile, then the same could be said for any statement which presented an unequal comparison of qualitative values -- and this is clearly not the case. Look up the definition of "simile" in any dictionary, or any dictionary-based website. They always mention the terms "like" and "as" when expressing the basis of the comparison that underlies the simile. Not a one (that I've seen) mentions comparatives using "than" or words ending in a comparative "_er" -- smarter, dumber, bigger, older, etc. I assume that's because to make the qualitative comparison that one thing is ___________er than the other, no longer involves the kind of direct comparative scenario that a simile requires. Rather it becomes an expression of difference. And similes do not exist to express differences; quite the contrary. It's in you post, most of the time not all of the time. |
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Well, we might as well get this thing right: Simile is defined as: a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as (as in cheeks like roses). http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/simile ....so, "He's as dumb as an ox" is clearly a simile because a direction comparison between his intelligence and that of an ox is being made. Also, the word "as" is used. "He's dumber than an ox" is not a simile, because no direct equality (i.e., similarity) comparison is being claimed. Rather, this is an expression of a qualitative difference -- something quite separate and apart from what a simile is, and from what a simile is intended to do. We are emphasizing a difference here, not a similarity. If "He's dumber than an ox" is a simile, then the same could be said for any statement which presented an unequal comparison of qualitative values -- and this is clearly not the case. Look up the definition of "simile" in any dictionary, or any dictionary-based website. They always mention the terms "like" and "as" when expressing the basis of the comparison that underlies the simile. Not a one (that I've seen) mentions comparatives using "than" or words ending in a comparative "_er" -- smarter, dumber, bigger, older, etc. I assume that's because to make the qualitative comparison that one thing is ___________er than the other, no longer involves the kind of direct comparative scenario that a simile requires. Rather it becomes an expression of difference. And similes do not exist to express differences; quite the contrary. It's in you post, most of the time not all of the time. Presumably, it would be possible to create a simile that does not use "like" or "as." It would still have to be structured on a similarity/equivalency in order to BE a simile. A comparative construct, in which one thing is said to be "____________er than" another, is NOT a simile. I can find nothing anywhere (and believe me, I've been looking) which indicates anyone with any knowledge of the subject would consider that any kind of "____________er than" statement constitutes a simile. If you can find one, let me know. |
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Stronger than Ironman.
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Stronger than Ironman. "As strong as Iron Man" is a simile -- there's a connotation of inherent similarity. "Stronger than Iron Man" is not a simile. The emphasis is on a difference, not a similarity. "Iron Man" is used only as a point of reference, not as an equivalent construct. If a blue whale is "stronger than Iron Man," where's the simile (similarity)? There isn't one. It's a quantitative comparison. How is a blue whale like Iron man? The whale is stronger? No, that's not a "like" -- that's a difference. Go look it up on the dictionary sites. Every one I've checked is pretty clear on this. |
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Lex, I'm going to let you keep talking, you're proving my point to the T.
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Lex, I'm going to let you keep talking, you're proving my point to the T. Not if you think "slicker than deer guts on a doorknob" is a simile, I'm not. That's all about a difference. Has nothing whatsoever to do with a simile (similarity). Again, go look it up. If you can find one example of a "____________er than" statement that's labeled a simile, let me know. A comparative and a simile are two different things. One is about a similarity, the other is about a difference. Really not all that difficult to differentiate. |
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Wow,
When did english class start? did i miss the introduction? did the topic say english 101? i'm confused 
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Getting back to the topic......
"Where ever you go, There you are." 
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happier than a pig in shlt
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Well my attempts to stay out of this evaporated with the prize of 3 Arby's coupons being offered.
 Lex I think you allow "comparatives" far more credit than they are due. I believe similes can assume the form of comparison of inequality without negating their justification of being called a simile. Milton used this form to such extent that some scholars even refer to them as "Miltonic similes". For example.. "Not that fair field Of Enna, where Proserpin gath'ring flow'rs Herself a fairer Flow'r by gloomy Dis Was gather'd, which cost Ceres all that pain To seek her through the world; nor that sweet Grove Of Daphne by Orontes, and th 'inspir'd Castalian Spring might with this Paradise Of Eden strive. (92; IV, 11.268-75.) In this epic simile the reader is led to believe that of the 2 paradise referenced Eden is the greater. It is still a simile and without question not a comparative. A far more simple and more commonly recognized "greater than" simile would be... "He is larger than life" ...and of the 82,000 pages google will provide on that specific simile..I'm quite confident at least one will meet your qualifications as authoritative or reputable. So when are we going to Arby's? |
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