Topic: Check this out
Lindyy's photo
Thu 05/29/08 10:39 AM
I think that everyone here will agree that in the USA we have the First Amendment which grants us the Freedom of Religion and the Freedom of Speech.

The E-mail that I responded to by the OP has been around quite a bit. It was originated by citizens in the USA who are very fed up with our country being put down, criticized, the whole 9 yards of hatred, and we are voicing our opinion of how we feel. Which is our right.:smile:

Criticizing our God was totally uncalled for,very hateful, and totally disrespectful, especially since none of the remarks from fellow Christians such as myself were directed to anyone other than the OP.

Christians have the Holy Spirit, who was given to us by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ when he ascended back to Heaven. The Holy Spirit is the Christian's Helper, Guide, Comforter and He intercedes in prayer for us.

Again, I truly felt God, through His Holy Spirit guided the OP to post this thread. There are words and information that needed to be verbaly and/or written for others to see and contemplate. In other words, the United States is in dire need of strong Christian Prayer.

We have not knocked you or whatever it is that you believe in, the same respect is expected from you according to forum guidelines.

Lindyy
PTL

:heart:

Lindyy's photo
Thu 05/29/08 10:41 AM

I think that everyone here will agree that in the USA we have the First Amendment which grants us the Freedom of Religion and the Freedom of Speech.

The E-mail that I responded to by the OP has been around quite a bit. It was originated by citizens in the USA who are very fed up with our country being put down, criticized, the whole 9 yards of hatred, and we are voicing our opinion of how we feel. Which is our right.:smile:

Criticizing our God was totally uncalled for,very hateful, and totally disrespectful, especially since none of the remarks from fellow Christians such as myself were directed to anyone other than the OP.

Christians have the Holy Spirit, who was given to us by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ when he ascended back to Heaven. The Holy Spirit is the Christian's Helper, Guide, Comforter and He intercedes in prayer for us.

Again, I truly felt God, through His Holy Spirit guided the OP to post this thread. There are words and information that needed to be verbaly and/or written for others to see and contemplate. In other words, the United States is in dire need of strong Christian Prayer.

We have not knocked you (those who made the uncalled for remarks) or whatever it is that you believe in, the same respect is expected from you according to forum guidelines.

Lindyy
PTL

:heart:

Rapunzel's photo
Thu 05/29/08 10:47 AM
Edited by Rapunzel on Thu 05/29/08 10:48 AM


I think that everyone here will agree that in the USA we have the First Amendment which grants us the Freedom of Religion and the Freedom of Speech.

The E-mail that I responded to by the OP has been around quite a bit. It was originated by citizens in the USA who are very fed up with our country being put down, criticized, the whole 9 yards of hatred, and we are voicing our opinion of how we feel. Which is our right.:smile:

Criticizing our God was totally uncalled for,very hateful, and totally disrespectful, especially since none of the remarks from fellow Christians such as myself were directed to anyone other than the OP.

Christians have the Holy Spirit, who was given to us by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ when he ascended back to Heaven. The Holy Spirit is the Christian's Helper, Guide, Comforter and He intercedes in prayer for us.

Again, I truly felt God, through His Holy Spirit guided the OP to post this thread. There are words and information that needed to be verbaly and/or written for others to see and contemplate. In other words, the United States is in dire need of strong Christian Prayer.

We have not knocked you (those who made the uncalled for remarks) or whatever it is that you believe in, the same respect is expected from you according to forum guidelines.

Lindyy
PTL

:heart:





Oh, Lindyy...flowerforyou drinker flowerforyou

thank you so much for those comments...blushing

They are right on and were worded soo eloquently :heart:



love and respect to you my dear, dear Sister ...drinker

Lindyy's photo
Thu 05/29/08 10:49 AM

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:

1. Jesus Christ

2. The American G. I.

One died for your soul,

the other for your freedom.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON,

AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET BOTH OF THEM.



Ever hear of the following. They also stick themselves in harms way and run the risk of death for their fellow man.

UNICEF, MSF, Red Cross, Red Crescent, International Rescue Committee, Mercy Corps International, Oxfam, C.A.R.E., International Medical Corps

Police Officers, EMT's, Firefighters, Security Officers

All civilian and definitely not god.

All these organizations go into areas hit by war, disaster etc. But then I suppose they don't count because they aren't in the States.



OOPS!!! MSF was at Katrina.
OOPS!!! Red Cross was at Katrina and other places State side.
OOPS!!! C.A.R.E. also operates State side.

and I'm sure I forgot some.




YOU DEFINITELY FORGOT A LOT. My son is a VOLUNTEER firefighter and a professional EMT. MY SON DOES THIS AS HIS WAY OF SERVING THE LORD, SO YOU SEE, HOW IT ALL TRANSFERS BACK TO GOD.

And, it is with dismay that my son tells me he comes across people every day that are EXACTLY like the people mentioned in the E-mail. He has told me that his fellow firefighters, EMTs, Paramedics and the like, simply ignore the hatred and go about doing their work for the Lord.

It would be wonderful for people from outside of the USA to stop the hatred towards American citizens and give us our due respect for our beliefs.

My son is a devout Christian, yet he would lay down his life to save you, a pagan.

Lindyy
:heart:

Lily0923's photo
Thu 05/29/08 10:53 AM

My son is a devout Christian, yet he would lay down his life to save you, a Pagan.


So he is somehow better than a Pagan? The connotation of that sounds as if he/you find yourself better than a lowly Pagan.

Rapunzel's photo
Thu 05/29/08 11:08 AM
let's not pick on every little thing that everyone says...:cry:


don't read into it, more than it says, please/// noway


lets' not argue.... flowerforyou



Lily0923's photo
Thu 05/29/08 11:09 AM

let's not pick on every little thing that everyone says...:cry:


don't read into it, more than it says, please/// noway


lets' not argue.... flowerforyou





I was asking for clarification, not argueing...

Rapunzel's photo
Thu 05/29/08 11:10 AM
Edited by Rapunzel on Thu 05/29/08 11:11 AM

Please....flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou


let's focus on the big things that are so important :heart:



Rapunzel's photo
Thu 05/29/08 11:10 AM


let's not pick on every little thing that everyone says...:cry:


don't read into it, more than it says, please/// noway


lets' not argue.... flowerforyou





I was asking for clarification, not argueing...





Okay, Dear ...Thank you flowerforyou drinker flowerforyou

Lily0923's photo
Thu 05/29/08 11:12 AM


Please....flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou


let's focus on the big things that are so important :heart:





Sugar, I was asking for clarification to a comment that SHE made, that's not argueing, that's trying to reach an understanding. In hopes that there will be no arguement.

Rapunzel's photo
Thu 05/29/08 11:23 AM
Edited by Rapunzel on Thu 05/29/08 11:24 AM
i appreciate it , Dear... sooo much flowerforyou



thank you Lily drinker :heart: drinker :heart: drinker


Rapunzel's photo
Thu 05/29/08 11:34 AM

Okay, listen up...

this is not noway

directed at any one person in particular noway


it is a general statement of observation...flowerforyou

& something for all of us to think about...:heart:





we really need to not fight among ourselves...:cry:


We need to focus on the important things drinker


and not criticise each other noway

for who or what we choose to believe in :heart:


as long as the beliefs do not hurt anyone else...noway

or cause physical injury on another human being :cry:


i am not gonna argue or fight with anyone noway

there are too many more important things to do flowerforyou drinker flowerforyou


and i am a peace loving person....:heart:

so, if anyone wants to argue or fight...:cry:

take it elsewhere...please flowerforyou


i asked everyone not to shoot the messenger noway

and this is in the politics thread not religion...flowerforyou

so please lets' all try hard drinker

to lay down the arms in any war :heart:

that would keep us at odds with each other...flowerforyou


I want to love people and be loved...:heart:


No one is perfect, noway

and even if mistakes are made one day flowerforyou

that doesn't mean we have to carry them noway

on into the next brand new day...noway


i've said this a hundred times, drinker

if i have said it once...flowerforyou




we need to find the things that unite us drinker

rather than divide us...flowerforyou :heart: flowerforyou



Lily0923's photo
Thu 05/29/08 11:36 AM
honey, what you view as fighting, is what everyone else views as discussion, if you don't want discussion, then ask the mods to lock your thread immediatly after posting it.

Rapunzel's photo
Thu 05/29/08 11:40 AM

honey, what you view as fighting, is what everyone else views as discussion, if you don't want discussion, then ask the mods to lock your thread immediatly after posting it.




not necessarily ...:wink: happy :wink:

as far as what i consider to be argueing...flowerforyou

but i respect your views any way ...drinker


now, i have got to go....drinker

my responsibilities are calling me...:wink:


love and peace to all....flowerforyou

Rathil_Thads's photo
Thu 05/29/08 11:41 AM
Edited by Rathil_Thads on Thu 05/29/08 11:43 AM
Hi Rapunzel,

While I do agree that there are some things said that are uncalled for and should not be said to other people on here. That is not always the case.

When a controvertial post like this is put up of course there are going to be people who agree with it and people who think that it is complete nonsense. Although this is an open forum for discussion and it should not have out right fighting like you say.

Although I have read the posts in here that you are referring to as arguing and bickering and all that most of the people are doing is offering their opinion as to why this letter is bad.

You are never going to be able to make a post like this where everyone agrees with you and will just accept being told this is what I believe so you shouldn't argue with it. If that is what you are looking for you are posting in the wrong forums.

I apologize if that seems harsh but that is the way it is unfortunately.

franshade's photo
Thu 05/29/08 11:58 AM
I agree if all that was intended was the sharing of this post between OP and a fellow member, then email was the way to go, not in an open forum where anyone can post, ask questions and voice their opinions.

I found some of the responses to be quite belittling but it's a good thing I am thick skinned flowerforyou

We all have the right to agree to disagree.

Rapunzel's photo
Thu 05/29/08 12:05 PM

Hi Rapunzel,

While I do agree that there are some things said that are uncalled for and should not be said to other people on here. That is not always the case.

When a controvertial post like this is put up of course there are going to be people who agree with it and people who think that it is complete nonsense. Although this is an open forum for discussion and it should not have out right fighting like you say.

Although I have read the posts in here that you are referring to as arguing and bickering and all that most of the people are doing is offering their opinion as to why this letter is bad.

You are never going to be able to make a post like this where everyone agrees with you and will just accept being told this is what I believe so you shouldn't argue with it. If that is what you are looking for you are posting in the wrong forums.

I apologize if that seems harsh but that is the way it is unfortunately.



hi there Rathil_Thads glasses

thank you for your comment drinker

It does not seem harsh at all...flowerforyou


in fact it comes across as being

very kind & compassionate...:heart:


thank you drinker

Rapunzel's photo
Thu 05/29/08 12:10 PM

I agree if all that was intended was the sharing of this post between OP and a fellow member, then email was the way to go, not in an open forum where anyone can post, ask questions and voice their opinions.

I found some of the responses to be quite belittling but it's a good thing I am thick skinned flowerforyou

We all have the right to agree to disagree.






Hi Franshade,drinker thanks for stopping by

and for your comments flowerforyou



FearandLoathing's photo
Thu 05/29/08 05:01 PM


Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:

1. Jesus Christ

2. The American G. I.

One died for your soul,

the other for your freedom.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON,

AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET BOTH OF THEM.



Ever hear of the following. They also stick themselves in harms way and run the risk of death for their fellow man.

UNICEF, MSF, Red Cross, Red Crescent, International Rescue Committee, Mercy Corps International, Oxfam, C.A.R.E., International Medical Corps

Police Officers, EMT's, Firefighters, Security Officers

All civilian and definitely not god.

All these organizations go into areas hit by war, disaster etc. But then I suppose they don't count because they aren't in the States.



OOPS!!! MSF was at Katrina.
OOPS!!! Red Cross was at Katrina and other places State side.
OOPS!!! C.A.R.E. also operates State side.

and I'm sure I forgot some.




YOU DEFINITELY FORGOT A LOT. My son is a VOLUNTEER firefighter and a professional EMT. MY SON DOES THIS AS HIS WAY OF SERVING THE LORD, SO YOU SEE, HOW IT ALL TRANSFERS BACK TO GOD.

And, it is with dismay that my son tells me he comes across people every day that are EXACTLY like the people mentioned in the E-mail. He has told me that his fellow firefighters, EMTs, Paramedics and the like, simply ignore the hatred and go about doing their work for the Lord.

It would be wonderful for people from outside of the USA to stop the hatred towards American citizens and give us our due respect for our beliefs.

My son is a devout Christian, yet he would lay down his life to save you, a pagan.

Lindyy
:heart:


I'm sorry, but are you saying that as a Christian your son is somehow better than that of another faith?

no photo
Thu 05/29/08 05:03 PM
Edited by Starsailor2851 on Thu 05/29/08 05:04 PM



Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:

1. Jesus Christ

2. The American G. I.

One died for your soul,

the other for your freedom.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON,

AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET BOTH OF THEM.



Ever hear of the following. They also stick themselves in harms way and run the risk of death for their fellow man.

UNICEF, MSF, Red Cross, Red Crescent, International Rescue Committee, Mercy Corps International, Oxfam, C.A.R.E., International Medical Corps

Police Officers, EMT's, Firefighters, Security Officers

All civilian and definitely not god.

All these organizations go into areas hit by war, disaster etc. But then I suppose they don't count because they aren't in the States.



OOPS!!! MSF was at Katrina.
OOPS!!! Red Cross was at Katrina and other places State side.
OOPS!!! C.A.R.E. also operates State side.

and I'm sure I forgot some.




YOU DEFINITELY FORGOT A LOT. My son is a VOLUNTEER firefighter and a professional EMT. MY SON DOES THIS AS HIS WAY OF SERVING THE LORD, SO YOU SEE, HOW IT ALL TRANSFERS BACK TO GOD.

And, it is with dismay that my son tells me he comes across people every day that are EXACTLY like the people mentioned in the E-mail. He has told me that his fellow firefighters, EMTs, Paramedics and the like, simply ignore the hatred and go about doing their work for the Lord.

It would be wonderful for people from outside of the USA to stop the hatred towards American citizens and give us our due respect for our beliefs.

My son is a devout Christian, yet he would lay down his life to save you, a pagan.

Lindyy
:heart:


I'm sorry, but are you saying that as a Christian your son is somehow better than that of another faith?


I don't see her saying that. I've read it twice now. There are implications, with the "a pagan" comment, but it's not a blatant answer of yes to your question. But, she can answer for herself.