the bible can be interpeted anyway one sees fit that is why you have to go to the source and the source is Jesus and Jesus never taught that he was God or made any reference of being part of any Holy trinity ...Jesus was to sit on the right side of God not that he was God

May you be blessed with infinite bliss!

That's one way of looking at it, but that idea is repugnant to me. Serial killers, rapists, child molestors are all god? No thanks. Besides, that doesn't make any sense. That god would be imperfect, a patchwork of different moralities and beliefs. The Christian God is three beings acting and thinking as one. To me that is a lot easier to understand than a god composed of billions of differing thoughts, beliefs and moralities.

The Bible can be misinterpreted in many ways, but it can only be interpreted in one. No matter how many misinterpretations exist, that doesn't reduce the truth of the interpretation.

oh that's what kind of vibrations you meant ...geez no wonder I'm single

did I mention that as a scuba diving instructor, I can hold my breath for an hour, have a 9 inch tongue and breathe through my ears?

So, right back at you, may you be blessed with bliss ... infinitely ... or at least an hour!

Spidercmb to say that Jesus claimed to be God or any part of a Holy Trinty cannot be a mis-interpetation because Jesus never mentioned it so therefore how could it be mis-interpeted

Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I AM". The Jews standing around him picked up stones to stone him to death for blasphemy. They correctly interpreted that Jesus was claiming to be God.
Jesus taught that only someone who accepted his sacrifice (eat my flesh and drink my blood) can live forever.

Jesus said "I and the Father are one."

Jesus said "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness."

Jesus said "Do you know what I have done to you? You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for I am. If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet."

Jesus said "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?"

In other words, Jesus said he was God many times in his life. Nobody argues that. Debate if Jesus really is God or not, but there is no doubt that Jesus believed himself to be God.

All pantheists believe they are God. They also believe that everyone is God.

Even Jesus said that, "Ye are also Gods". And although he was indeed referring to the Old Testament it makes no difference, because the Old Testament was supposed to be the word of God.

So if Jesus was God and he was supporting what the Old Testament said that eveyone is God. Then clearly he was saying that we are all Gods.

So there you have it. Jesus was the God of pantheism.

He actually denounce all the terrible violence from the Old Testament, as you have pointed out yourself. Jesus taught to turn the other cheek and was totally against violence of any kind.

Clearly if he was the God of Abraham he had a massive personality make over.

I personally feel that when he said, "Before Abraham was I AM". What he actualy wanted to say was, "Before you invented the God of Abraham, I AM"

I don't think Jesus actually supported the God of Abraham. His ideas differed vastly from the character of the God of Abraham.

God say that a Messiah would come nothing about himself showing up ..so "I AM" could be what Jesus used to identified himself as being the Messiah not God because as you just quoted Jesus saiding to Phillip "who have seen me have seen my "Father" which means that Jesus was claiming to be the son of God and not God

Excellent point Abra!! Jesus was a god realized person, as a pantheist is a god realized person, realizing that he is god... and that all are god....but...

..those who do not realize that they are god, seek to worship god outside themselves.

The Church then had to connect Jesus to the god of Abraham in order to draw in as many of the worshipers of Abraham as they could into the church fold.

JB

screaming and wielding a jagged dagger...

aieeeeeee INFIDELS....

All vibrations are just vibrations. Everything in this reality is made up of vibrations. All that you see are reflections of light and vibrations.

I am serious when I say that "THE WORD" is vibration.
This is a reality of light and sound, the light and sound are vibrations.

JB

Not sure what you are trying to say with the first part, but Jesus said "I and the Father are one." Therefore Jesus was saying that he was God's son and that he and God were one. You cannot win this argument, not because of my debating skills (which are formidable), but because the scriptures make the point clear that Jesus believed himself to be God.

Yes they are also connected to source and are part of the body of god. If they were not, they would cease to exist.



The idea of perfection is just an idea.




That is because in your mind, you separate yourself from the prime source. But you are connected just like everyone else is, or else you would cease to exist.

Prime source is not a god. It is a creative force.

May the force be with you, and may you learn to use it.

When Jesus (or anybody) says "I and the Father are one" They are expressing their connection to Prime Source.

We are all one.

I and the father are one.

all it means is that Jesus was trying not to get stoned by claiming that he was God ...also if could be debatable if Jesus was God or not but Jesus made it pretty clear that God was his Father ..and any Son human or not could say that they are one with their Father ..it's a sign of respect not multi-personalities

Saying he was God almost got Jesus stoned, it didn't save him from anything.

Jesus is God's son in the Hebrew sense. A grow man could become the son of another grown man by becoming subserviant to the second man. In other words, Jesus is the father's equal, but chooses to obey the father. John 1 tells us that Jesus has always existed, therefore Jesus could have been actually born from the Father.

it saved him from getting a stone up aside the head



Spidercmb ...whether it hebrews or christians or any other religion.. someone that speaks of their father means that they are the son... not the father



Jesus nevered said that ..only john...and john would only know that if he himself was born before the Father..again this is another attempt to get rid of the hebrew God and claim Jesus as God