"Bias source," Lets think for our selves and not be led like sheep,
nobody said isolationism, and noone said dont stand up for ourself, but
attacking Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terrorism. Attacking
Iraq was just playground bullying. Lets lead but lead in the right
direction.
I dont remember who, but Some one else said, That instilling fear, or
intimadation in another person never gains respect. They may fear you
and show subserviance, but they will hate you in the process. That is
not respect!!

FANTA46,

Sometimes it is best to endorse someone else's balanced and wise
position, and pass your turn in voicing your own opinion. (Especially
when you're Canadian, and the topic is the US position on Iraq)

FANTA46 , I have read each one of your entries in this posting with
great interest.

It appears to me that a very wise soul is wispering loudly just below
your thoughtful and balanced words.

Winning at all cost, as some would claim, is unfortunately a folkloric
'John Wayne' mirage. Made for great movies, but has nothing to do with
reality.

Real winning is founded on the wisdom to 'AVOID ENGAGING IN LOSING
BATTLES' !!! Any military strategists who's been there, would approve
I'm sure. When you deal with real breathing human lives, you only owe
them NOT to engage in losing battles.

This is the thought that kept popping up as I read your entries FANTA46.

As for the rhetoric that would have you beleive that 'LOSING BATTLES,
...CAN BE WON!!! (winning at all cost), well it's no better and no
worse than the 'TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE' rhetoric.

Keep trusting that soul of yours FANTA46!!!

that's what these forums are for, OPINIONS and that's exactly all that
is.

Voleazur, I have two questions for you. 1. How did Canada get
independence from England? Did you fight like we did, or did you pay
money to them? 2. Dose Canada vote for their leaders.

Well 'MysteriousMAN', We fought like hell (our forefathers that is),

... but contrary to the US independence movement, the foundation of this
country was based on Monarchists and Loyalists resisting the US
Independence in order to remain in a British Colony.

Before your independence (1776), QUÉBEC was a FRENCH Colony. It was
conquered by the British following the infamous Battle of the Plains of
Abraham (1759). Had your independence movement occurred a few years
prior, we might have all been US citizens.

But since this conquest took place at a time where your Independence
movement was brewing and just starting,

... your independence was ironically made possible with the incredible
support of the French (remember Lafayette and cohorts?),

... all 'loyal' british subject whom wanted nothing to do with being
independent from Britain, worked their way NORTH to this brand new
BRITISH COLONY.

What followed were several decades of battles against independent US's
attempts at conquering the new Province of Québec.


So YES WE FOUGHT, but not for independence.

To this day, in spite of the Constitution Act of 1867 (The British North
American Act), and the patriation (brought back) of our Constitution
from England (1982), and while the Government of Canada is fully
sovereign in governing itself as an independent country, it is still
Her Excellency the Right Honourable Governor General (Royal
Representative of the British Monarch) that is Commander-in-Chief of
Canada and official executor of all its laws (we have a parlementary
system of government (like Great Britain), unlike you, or the French
whom have a republican system).

So de-facto independent yes,
... but hanging on to old vestiges of the past!!! (which is a major
piece of contention with Québec since the beginning, and a whole other
story: Québec Independence Movement from Canada, much like yours more
than 200 years ago.

As for your other question, I'm certain you already knew the answer,
... but since you asked:
CANADA is a democracy, where free elections are held for every levels
of government.


Remember MysteriousMAN, we all have a 'fighting' past!!! The question
tat reamains, is what should we really FIGHT FOR!?!?! If tell me, to
preserve our democratic and human rights and freedoms, I'll say GREAT.
If you tell me, FOR ANOTHER BARREL OF OIL, I'll say our SUV's are not
worth HUMAN LIVES!!!

Pulling out would be a disaster. Think about it. And as far as the
"PEOPLE" are concerned, there are many who askew the liberal press.
They(the press)are the ones sticking destructive stuff in the heads of
people who don't know much. There are many who wish we could get out,
but still support the war! Don't fool yourselves. It's not quite as esay
as saying "OK, come on home." The new Dem. congress knows this, or
they'd have done something conclusive by now. MM

All of this has little to do with a barrel of oil. We have long know
that the Mid-East was a hot bed of terrorist. We got tired of having our
buildings blown up. It was very disrutive to say the least. It's got
to stop. What better place to start than Iraq and Afganistan. Their
legit governments WANT us there. They need us there not only to protect
the people's rights, but for world business interests as well. I only
wish Pakistan would ask for help. But they haven't, so we stay out of
their business. Oh I wish I could go! And I mean it.

as a former army soilder . i was born in american everyday i hear some
rightwing nut job telling us we are there so they wont be hear . that is
a joke as most people no there are hear now.since bush cheated his way
in to office he has broken many laws .to many to name. now we have ag
lying to congress same crap again and again . the america i grow up with
is no longer the way this county is becoming a joke.

alright gary,,,,,,,,,

Do you think the ag, and the illegal immiration problem are more than
coincidental???

no are borders are open so the rich man can screw the common folks the
government want stop it because they are getting a cut

You dont think that a migrant farm workers son. Going to Harvard, and
then becoming Attorney General, and the Fed gov blocking the attempts of
states trying to enforce the Fed laws that the INS wont, have anything
in common.

For crying out loud in a bucket, Gary and Fanta. Smile and stop standing
there looking like two Mafia thugs. None of us can do nuttin about
nuttin anyway. Come on, give Sushi a GREAT BIG SMILE! Cheese, Payday.
Atta a boy. Nite.

ok big smile still our government are bunch of crooks

Sushi, you should read my complacency draft, that is what is wrong with
the policies of this country now. People either wont say anything, and
run around thinking that they cant make a difference, or dont even
bother to learn the facts. They just assume and repeat propaganda, or
follow the ppl in gov like a bunch of sheep. Then they complain about
the way things are. I myself do more than just post notes on JSH, and I
take time to learn more about a presidential candidant than just their
name. or their sex. We are a gov of the ppl, we can make a difference.
this I believe..

Poll Results

Is sending more US troops to Iraq the answer to quelling the
insurgency?
Yes
32% 3221 Votes
No
67% 6562 Votes

Total: 9783

Let the ppl talk, and never forget, in todays term of the word in 1770
George Washington was a terrorist!!!