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What do you pray for or do you pray?
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I pray for peace, love and the health and saftey for my family.
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I pray for peace, love and the health and saftey for my family. it seems quite worthwhile...do you believe your prayers are answered?
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I used to pray for everyone and anyone who needs help.
But then I realize that it's pretty arrogant of me to think that I'm more compassionate than God. I mean, if I have to ask God to help other people that doesn't say much for God does it? 
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I pray for peace, love and the health and saftey for my family. it seems quite worthwhile...do you believe your prayers are answered? Sometimes I feel they are . Other times it doesn,t seem so. at least not at the time anway. |
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I used to pray for everyone and anyone who needs help. But then I realize that it's pretty arrogant of me to think that I'm more compassionate than God. I mean, if I have to ask God to help other people that doesn't say much for God does it? When I am asked to pray for someone my prayer thy will be done. Why? Because my will (desire) is based on the finite as opposed to God's infinite
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Jesus said of the Lord's Prayer, as it is come to be known, to pray this way, and I have seen it work.
God answers according to questions that God has given that will be heard and answered. For a christian it all starts at home with the christian and answers for the Christian come according to Christ. How simple it is to receive that which will be given when given to give as one is able to likewise receive. it works and lesson gleaned from it working gives ground to giving to others that which can be given and receive and in the receiving have something to give, even if it is a thank you for a dollar given the homeless, it is not without reciprocation. prayer enjoined in reciprocation is a beautiful prayer.   |
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I thought prayer was to give praise and thanks to god.
I thougth if you wanted answers you got them through the holy spirit? What do I have wrong? |
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Jesus said of the Lord's Prayer, as it is come to be known, to pray this way, and I have seen it work. God answers according to questions that God has given that will be heard and answered. For a christian it all starts at home with the christian and answers for the Christian come according to Christ. How simple it is to receive that which will be given when given to give as one is able to likewise receive. it works and lesson gleaned from it working gives ground to giving to others that which can be given and receive and in the receiving have something to give, even if it is a thank you for a dollar given the homeless, it is not without reciprocation. prayer enjoined in reciprocation is a beautiful prayer. It works like all His commands when they are applied |
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I thought prayer was to give praise and thanks to god. I thougth if you wanted answers you got them through the holy spirit? What do I have wrong? When Jesus spoke of prayer he said pray in this manner...there is praise...there is request..and there is thanks....when he says thy will be done he is stating what every true believer should want God's will even if it is contrary to what we may desire
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I don't pray.... I do.
Sitting whispering in fervour is a waste of perfectly good oxygen... getting up off my knees and striding out into the world and DOING, is a whole lot more proactive. 
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I don't pray.... I do. Sitting whispering in fervour is a waste of perfectly good oxygen... getting up off my knees and striding out into the world and DOING, is a whole lot more proactive. Praying and doing kind of go hand it hand...no matter what the situation nothing changes without applied faith by action
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Edited by
Redykeulous
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Sun 08/17/08 06:39 PM
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When Jesus spoke of prayer he said pray in this manner...there is praise...there is request..and there is thanks....when he says thy will be done he is stating what every true believer should want God's will even if it is contrary to what we may desire Sorry but I still don't see it your way. When Jesus speaks in the bible and says to pray in this manner, I thought he taught the following, Our father who art in heaven hallowed be they name. (praise given to the hallowed for being hallowed - redundant but apparently necessary) Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. (what's the sense of praying that god will have it's way - is there any doubt?) Give us this day our daily bread (acknowledgment that even our nourishment is from god. What's more important than asking and thanking god for our daily nourishment?) And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. (Asking for forgiveness, is still a requirement even though Jesus died for that purpose. But there's nothing like attaching strings to such a sacrifice, is there? It's like some kind of proof that one believes it to be so and in like manner it instills in a person that forgiveness is paramount) And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil (Why would god purposely lead one into temptation, don't quite understand why anyone should have to ask god NOT to lead one into temptation but so it is. And not only that but should we actually be tempted to do evil, we are asking to be delivered from the temptation set before us) For thine is the kingdom and the glory (and the rest, however one chooses to repeat it, is simply resigning all that exists into for the glory of god) Nowhere in here do I see that one can ask for favors, or for god to change its mind about something. Nowhere in here do I see that man is considered anything more than the obedient creation of god. In fact, within these words, I see a lot of servitude and fear. I mean what would happen if abosolut and total control of every aspect of one's life was NOT run in accordance with god's will? So it's obvious that one must pray to make sure god's will is ever present and to be thankful for such. So why ask for anything at all? There is never an explanation as to why or why not and there is NO WAY of knowing if what one asks for is received becasue they asked or if it was gods will in the first place. Sounds like a whole lot of exercise in futility for no reason. MIND YOU THAT'S JUST MY OPINION and the reason I don't pray. |
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Edited by
wouldee
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Sun 08/17/08 06:52 PM
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its an outline at the least.
we can all see some need in any line of this prayer we can see the positive or the negative we can see ourselves and God we can see.. he can touch it is simple and it outlines so many things all of which are pleasing its in the sincerity that can grow  and redy, this is the prayer I meant. you found it. simple |
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Edited by
anoasis
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Sun 08/17/08 06:57 PM
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I think of what I do as *praying* because that is part of my culture. But it is not a christian prayer (because I'm not christian).
Mostly I'm really talking to myself and I'm not really having expectations for some kind of participation from my creator. For example I say a quick thanks before eating- this is primarily to remind myself to appreciate what I have. I frequently pause for a few seconds to pray for patience- this normally occurs when I am on the brink of losing mine. The thought, wish, request, whatever helps me gather my resources and find what I need. When others are sick or otherwise having difficulty I pray for them to have the strength they need to overcome obstacles or achieve acceptance of what must be. I don't pray for a specific outcome. I might also pray that I can find some way to be of help to them or I might take a second to remind myself to appreciate the good health of I and my family enjoy. I have no idea if anyone else hears my prayers. I do believe in a creator, I think it would be great if the creator loves and is interested in its creation but I don't really know. All I know is my prayers seem to help me and I don't see how they could hurt. Peace and joy to all. 
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When Jesus spoke of prayer he said pray in this manner...there is praise...there is request..and there is thanks....when he says thy will be done he is stating what every true believer should want God's will even if it is contrary to what we may desire Sorry but I still don't see it your way. When Jesus speaks in the bible and says to pray in this manner, I thought he taught the following, Our father who art in heaven hallowed be they name. (praise given to the hallowed for being hallowed - redundant but apparently necessary) Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. (what's the sense of praying that god will have it's way - is there any doubt?) Give us this day our daily bread (acknowledgment that even our nourishment is from god. What's more important than asking and thanking god for our daily nourishment?) And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. (Asking for forgiveness, is still a requirement even though Jesus died for that purpose. But there's nothing like attaching strings to such a sacrifice, is there? It's like some kind of proof that one believes it to be so and in like manner it instills in a person that forgiveness is paramount) And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil (Why would god purposely lead one into temptation, don't quite understand why anyone should have to ask god NOT to lead one into temptation but so it is. And not only that but should we actually be tempted to do evil, we are asking to be delivered from the temptation set before us) For thine is the kingdom and the glory (and the rest, however one chooses to repeat it, is simply resigning all that exists into for the glory of god) Nowhere in here do I see that one can ask for favors, or for god to change its mind about something. Nowhere in here do I see that man is considered anything more than the obedient creation of god. In fact, within these words, I see a lot of servitude and fear. I mean what would happen if abosolut and total control of every aspect of one's life was NOT run in accordance with god's will? So it's obvious that one must pray to make sure god's will is ever present and to be thankful for such. So why ask for anything at all? There is never an explanation as to why or why not and there is NO WAY of knowing if what one asks for is received becasue they asked or if it was gods will in the first place. Sounds like a whole lot of exercise in futility for no reason. MIND YOU THAT'S JUST MY OPINION and the reason I don't pray. The object of the words of Jesus was to give all control over to God. This is a view outside of our human experience. In prayer or Jesus' outline for prayer we see that we are to give all to God so that we can recieve his all. In doing so the object is to go from finite realities to infinite realities |
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(what's the sense of praying that god will have it's way - is there any doubt?) Truly. Give us this day our daily bread (acknowledgment that even our nourishment is from god. What's more important than asking and thanking god for our daily nourishment?) Did anyone ever stop to realize that if a creator designs creatures with a need to eat that he should also provide them with food. I never could undstand that one. If God creates us with a need to eat and then causes droughts or whatever to make food scarce, what's up with that? This just sounds like a God who gets off on making people totally dependent on him. He must like to see lesser creatures always having to beg him for help. If you stop and think about that it actually sounds disgusting. If a human pulled that stunt on another human to make them dependent on them we'd think that was a dispicable thing to do. But for some reason it's supposed to be ok for a God to behave like that. |
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(what's the sense of praying that god will have it's way - is there any doubt?) Truly. Give us this day our daily bread (acknowledgment that even our nourishment is from god. What's more important than asking and thanking god for our daily nourishment?) Did anyone ever stop to realize that if a creator designs creatures with a need to eat that he should also provide them with food. I never could undstand that one. If God creates us with a need to eat and then causes droughts or whatever to make food scarce, what's up with that? This just sounds like a God who gets off on making people totally dependent on him. He must like to see lesser creatures always having to beg him for help. If you stop and think about that it actually sounds disgusting. If a human pulled that stunt on another human to make them dependent on them we'd think that was a dispicable thing to do. But for some reason it's supposed to be ok for a God to behave like that. Prayer is a commission of Christ and if we profess to be followers of Christ then the physical mental opinions become mute. It may not make sense to some but it is a part of the walk if you profess the walk. |
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Prayer is a commission of Christ and if we profess to be followers of Christ then the physical mental opinions become mute. It may not make sense to some but it is a part of the walk if you profess the walk. The only problem is that there is no single 'walk'. People who claim to 'walk' with Christ seem to be bumping into each other, tripping over things and basically having a hard time even standing on their own two feet. In some places of the world the Protestants and Catholics are killing each other, or at least yelling at each other when they aren't throwing actual stones. Within Protestantism itself there are so many differnt denomninations that for all intents and purposes all of the supposed "followers of Christ" are all walking in different directions. In fact in the USA the largest sector of Christianity are Christians who deny the church. They are often refered to as "Designer Christians". Of course the Catholic Church holds that all protestants are "Designer Christians". We see Paper Popes on the forums all the time claiming to speak for Jesus and hold the only true and correct interpretation of the scriptures. Clearly no one is following anyone. They all want to LEAD. 
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The walk becomes much simpler if you go to Jesus..."If you love me you will obey my commandments."
That is the walk not what one church may or may not say. It would seem that the founder of the faith would be the highest authority on the issue would it not?
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