Topic: Ralph Nader: Old Right Populist?
warmachine's photo
Sat 09/13/08 07:50 PM
In 2004, Pat Buchanan interviewed Ralph Nader for the American Conservative magazine.

Aside from Nader's views on taxation, there is much in his philosophy that may appeal to Ron Paul voters.

A few quotes (link follows):

Pat Buchanan: Let me start off with foreign policy—Iraq and the Middle East. You have seen the polls indicating widespread contempt for the United States abroad. Why do they hate us?

Ralph Nader: . . .we are supporting the Israeli military regime with billions of dollars and ignoring both the Israeli peace movement, which is very substantial, and the Palestinian peace movement. They see a nuclear-armed Israel that could wipe out the Middle East in a weekend if it wanted to.

They think that we are on their backs, in their house, undermining their desire to overthrow their own tyrants.

PB Then you would say it is not only Bush who is at fault, but Clinton and Bush and Reagan, all the way back?

RN: The subservience of our congressional and White House puppets to Israeli military policy has been consistent. . . .

PB: You used the term “congressional puppets.” Did John Kerry show himself to be a congressional puppet when he voted to give the president a blank check to go to war?

RN: They’re almost all puppets. There are two sets: Congressional puppets and White House puppets. When the chief puppeteer comes to Washington, the puppets prance.

* * *

RN: I’m not expecting conservatives to change their minds on certain issues that we disagree on, but if we look at the issues where we have common positions, they reach a level of gravity that would lead conservatives to stop being taken for granted by the corporate Republicans and send them a message by voting for my independent candidacy.

Here are the issues. One, conservatives are furious with the Bush regime because of the fantastic deficits as far as the eye can see. That was a betrayal of Bush’s positions, and it was a reversal of what Bush found when he came to Washington.

Conservatives are very upset about their tax dollars going to corporate welfare kings because that undermines market competition and is a wasted use of their taxes.

Conservatives are upset about the sovereignty-shredding WTO and NAFTA. I wish they had helped us more when we tried to stop them in Congress because, with a modest conservative push, we would have defeated NAFTA because it was narrowly passed. If there was no NAFTA, there wouldn’t have been a WTO.

Conservatives are also very upset with a self-styled conservative president who is encouraging the shipment of whole industries and jobs to a despotic Communist regime in China. That is what I mean by the distinction between corporate Republicans and conservative Republicans.

Next, conservatives, contrary to popular belief, believe in law and order against corporate crime, fraud, and abuse, and they are not satisfied that the Bush administration has done enough.

Conservatives are also upset about the Patriot Act, which they view as big government, privacy-invading, snooping, and excessive surveillance. They are not inaccurate in that respect.

And finally, two other things. They don’t like “Leave No Child Behind” because it is a stupidly conceived federal regulation of local school systems through misguided and very fraudulent multiple-choice testing impositions.

If you add all of those up, you should have a conservative rebellion against the giant corporation in the White House masquerading as a human being named George W. Bush. . . .

I noticed this a long time ago, Pat. I once said to Bill Bennett, “Would you agree that corporatism is on a collision course with conservative values?” and he said yes.

Read the whole article here:

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2004/jun/21/00006/

t22learner's photo
Sat 09/13/08 07:53 PM
The irony is Nader will take votes from Obama.

warmachine's photo
Sat 09/13/08 07:55 PM
If he does the right things between now and the election, he might be able to earn mine as well.

As I've said, I'm inbetween a Paul/Ventura write in and Chuck Baldwin, but at least Nader speaks truth to power.
I watched a speech from him about corporate takeover of our government that was very good.
Just have to see.

wouldee's photo
Sat 09/13/08 08:45 PM
I miss corvairs

damnitscloudy's photo
Sat 09/13/08 11:47 PM
If i can't write in my cat's name and vote, i may vote for Nader. Obama seems good but its like a hot air balloon, and McCain just flat out scares me for some reason O_O

therooster's photo
Sun 09/14/08 04:54 PM
go to votenader.org to find out for yourself where he stands on the issues, that the 2 corporate puppets won't even touch.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 09/14/08 05:00 PM
If I thought a third party could win I would invest some time in them but I will not have my vote not count and a third party vote will just take away from the needed win and contribute to the need to lose candidates. I will vote a Dem ticket all the way so that we can deweaponize the threat to this country and that at this time is the Republican party.

therooster's photo
Sun 09/14/08 05:57 PM

If I thought a third party could win I would invest some time in them but I will not have my vote not count and a third party vote will just take away from the needed win and contribute to the need to lose candidates. I will vote a Dem ticket all the way so that we can deweaponize the threat to this country and that at this time is the Republican party.
obama will not end the war!
just ask the people who voted for nancy pelosi. she ran on ending the war. a lot of dems are pissed off that thier vote was wasted on her! you are wasting your vote !

warmachine's photo
Sun 09/14/08 08:32 PM
First and foremost, unless you do not vote, then you're not wasting your vote.
The question you have to ask yourself, is are you voting your conscience?

If I vote for either of the Globalist hacks running in the duopoly, I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror.

Nader might be okay, Baldwin might be okay, but they have some work to do, between now and Nov. to take my Paul/Ventura write in away.

no photo
Sun 09/14/08 08:36 PM
I am between Nader & Bill Ingram.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Sun 09/14/08 08:37 PM

If I thought a third party could win I would invest some time in them but I will not have my vote not count and a third party vote will just take away from the needed win and contribute to the need to lose candidates. I will vote a Dem ticket all the way so that we can deweaponize the threat to this country and that at this time is the Republican party.


Cant say i blame you on this theory... But, for one, the votes that will mean the election will come from congress not us. The whole purpose for voting third party isn't to get them to win... No one is that niave. The Purpose is to get publicity on policies Obama and McCain ignore. It's to make public the fact that the FED caused high gas prices, and that both parties are now pushing for aggressive foriegn policies, and forgetting about civil rights. Ron Paul got a group of people together, 4 to be exact. Nadar is one of them. They have all agreed to bring up these issues. This won't help us this election, but it's focus is for future elections. If we don't, we will just see the same things until this country no longer exists...flowerforyou

Dragoness's photo
Sun 09/14/08 08:58 PM


If I thought a third party could win I would invest some time in them but I will not have my vote not count and a third party vote will just take away from the needed win and contribute to the need to lose candidates. I will vote a Dem ticket all the way so that we can deweaponize the threat to this country and that at this time is the Republican party.
obama will not end the war!
just ask the people who voted for nancy pelosi. she ran on ending the war. a lot of dems are pissed off that thier vote was wasted on her! you are wasting your vote !


The Dems were only in control of congress for less than one year. And the control was shakey. I do not regret my vote for her and I will vote a Democratic ticket all the way as will all my fed up intelligent brethren in this country.

warmachine's photo
Sun 09/14/08 10:38 PM
I think the countries biggest problem is, we've been letting a small group of people pass the control of our country around like a party joint.

I really don't see either side addressing the real issues that will destroy this Nation.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Mon 09/15/08 10:12 AM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Mon 09/15/08 10:14 AM

I think the countries biggest problem is, we've been letting a small group of people pass the control of our country around like a party joint.

I really don't see either side addressing the real issues that will destroy this Nation.


I agree completely. Both parties are pushing the country in a downward spiral. They both have equal parts. The sad thing is the committee you speak of has members that represent both parties in it. People get more caught up with democrat, republican, and which is more evil, than they do problems like inflation (which is the real reason healthcare is so expensive and gas prices are so high), they get caught up in Iraq instead of foreign policy, and pro life/choice and gay marriage than they do civil rights. These issues are very small parts of the big picture. Vote Obama, vote McCain, either way you aren't helping this country out.

warmachine's photo
Mon 09/15/08 12:44 PM


I think the countries biggest problem is, we've been letting a small group of people pass the control of our country around like a party joint.

I really don't see either side addressing the real issues that will destroy this Nation.


I agree completely. Both parties are pushing the country in a downward spiral. They both have equal parts. The sad thing is the committee you speak of has members that represent both parties in it. People get more caught up with democrat, republican, and which is more evil, than they do problems like inflation (which is the real reason healthcare is so expensive and gas prices are so high), they get caught up in Iraq instead of foreign policy, and pro life/choice and gay marriage than they do civil rights. These issues are very small parts of the big picture. Vote Obama, vote McCain, either way you aren't helping this country out.


drinker