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Destroy that which he creates?? If he is the creator, then does he not have the privledge to do with that which he creates as he see's fit?
If you create something do you not have the same rights? let's talk about this. 
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does the clay get to complain when the potter smashes it?
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for every action
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Edited by
grneyedldy1967
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Sun 09/28/08 06:06 PM
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God has not destroyed what he created... he gave it to us to take care of and we humans have destroyed it....
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Destroy that which he creates?? If he is the creator, then does he not have the privledge to do with that which he creates as he see's fit? If you create something do you not have the same rights? let's talk about this. If all that exists is the creator and his creation, then there isn't really much to stop him from doing anything he wants. Rights are handed down by authority. So unless the creator had parents who taught him good values then it's hard to say whether he might have good vaules on his own or not. Who's to judge if he's the top dog? All you can really do is ask what you would do if you were the top dog. Would you be a nice creator, or a mean creator? I always like to think of the creator like this,... If the creator is as nice as me I've got it made in the shade (as does everyone else). On the other hand, if the creator is a lesser compassionate being then me, does the question even matter? When does a God become a demon? Does being all-powerful excuse it from answering to criticism? If so, then what does it base its moral values on? It's moot to ask whether or not it has a 'right' if there is no authority that can stand in judgment of it. If it kills you, you're dead. Right or wrong is pretty much moot at that point. |
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Do parents get to destroy there own children?
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It's kind of the same, but a little different.
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Do parents get to destroy there own children? According to the biblical God parents are supposed to stone their children to death. But the government says no way. Who should we trust? 
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Do parents get to destroy there own children? According to the biblical God parents are supposed to stone their children to death. But the government says no way. Who should we trust? Lol...you suck!! Thats a terrible choice to have to make. I'll stick with my own morals thank you. |
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Do parents get to destroy there own children? According to the biblical God parents are supposed to stone their children to death. But the government says no way. Who should we trust? "In Godvernment we trust" |
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Edited by
SkyHook5652
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Sun 09/28/08 06:42 PM
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Destroy that which he creates?? If he is the creator, then does he not have the privledge to do with that which he creates as he see's fit? Without going into the quesiton of what "god" is or whether "he" exist, I would say that "privelege" or "right" is irrelevant. In the absolute sense, the creator of something is the only thing that can destroy it. It cannot be destroyed by anything other than that which created it. (But I realize that concept is so far removed from anything related to either the monotheistic religions, or the materialistic sciences, as to be almost meaningless in their contexts.)
If you create something do you not have the same rights? let's talk about this. |
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Destroy that which he creates?? If he is the creator, then does he not have the privledge to do with that which he creates as he see's fit? If you create something do you not have the same rights? let's talk about this. There's nothing quite as liberating as creating a beautiful piece of art to share it with loved ones for a limited amount of time, then destroy it. This is done every year at Burning Man (I'm sure many would just write this off as Pagan Worship). Actually, this practice can serve to remind us of the beauty and impermanence of everything... to drink it in, appreciate its beauty while its here and then say good-bye with gratitude for having been able to witness it. I may have participated in the creation of my child, but wouldn't consider it a "privilege" to destroy any life. But, that's just me. 
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Destroy that which he creates?? If he is the creator, then does he not have the privledge to do with that which he creates as he see's fit? Without going into the question of what "god" is or whether "he" exist, I would say that "privilege" or "right" is irrelevant. In the absolute sense, the creator of something is the only thing that can destroy it. It cannot be destroyed by anything other than that which created it. (But I realize that concept is so far removed from anything related to either the monotheistic religions, or the materialistic sciences, as to be almost meaningless in their contexts.) If you create something do you not have the same rights? let's talk about this. well lets say this god does exist, at least for some - and that he/it is the/our creator, are you saying then that you believe he does have the ability to destroy us or anything else he creates? Of course if you find this meaningless, than i will expect no answer back. but for those who might not - lets look at it this way - if "I"M the creator [or you] of something or everything do i not have the power if i brought you/it, into existence to do with it as i wish, as i see fit? If yes - then am i a murderer if i destroy you/it/anything/everything?? If not, then whats your perception of this?? |
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God has not destroyed what he created... he gave it to us to take care of and we humans have destroyed it.... Really? So, you believe that humans cause huge volcanos to erupt and change landscapes for hundreds of miles? I remember Mount St. Helens in May of 1980 forever changing Southwest WA but I don't think man did a whole lot to start that. **If "global warming" is going to brought in here I think it's a worthwhile reminder to remember that volcanos were blasting the hell out of things long before we had a whole lot of people roaming around. |
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Edited by
tribo
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Sun 09/28/08 07:26 PM
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Destroy that which he creates?? If he is the creator, then does he not have the privledge to do with that which he creates as he see's fit? If you create something do you not have the same rights? let's talk about this. There's nothing quite as liberating as creating a beautiful piece of art to share it with loved ones for a limited amount of time, then destroy it. This is done every year at Burning Man (I'm sure many would just write this off as Pagan Worship). Actually, this practice can serve to remind us of the beauty and impermanence of everything... to drink it in, appreciate its beauty while its here and then say good-bye with gratitude for having been able to witness it. I may have participated in the creation of my child, but wouldn't consider it a "privilege" to destroy any life. But, that's just me. But in reality SL, you created nothing as this god supposedly does, you just participated in bringing forth from that which already exist, as to the child again you just brought forth that which naturally occurs in this life, in that sense you have created nothing, just brought forth art and child. what i'm asking is - if you could create things from nothing as god supposedly did would you have the right to do with it what you pleased, whether it be seen as good or bad?? yes? no? and why? 
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Destroy that which he creates?? If he is the creator, then does he not have the privledge to do with that which he creates as he see's fit? If you create something do you not have the same rights? let's talk about this. There's nothing quite as liberating as creating a beautiful piece of art to share it with loved ones for a limited amount of time, then destroy it. This is done every year at Burning Man (I'm sure many would just write this off as Pagan Worship). Actually, this practice can serve to remind us of the beauty and impermanence of everything... to drink it in, appreciate its beauty while its here and then say good-bye with gratitude for having been able to witness it. I may have participated in the creation of my child, but wouldn't consider it a "privilege" to destroy any life. But, that's just me. But in reality SL, you created nothing as this god supposedly does, you just participated in bringing forth from that which already exist, as to the child again you just brought forth that which naturally occurs in this life, in that sense you have created nothing, just brought forth art and child. what i'm asking is - if you could create things from nothing as god supposedly did would you have the right to do with it what you pleased, whether it be seen as good or bad?? yes? no? and why? Yes... I brought forth. Absolutely. If a single "god" created all of this... then I 'spose it would be his/her/it's own to destroy. Why? Awe, Jeez, Tribo? Because. |
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Destroy that which he creates?? If he is the creator, then does he not have the privledge to do with that which he creates as he see's fit? Without going into the question of what "god" is or whether "he" exist, I would say that "privilege" or "right" is irrelevant. In the absolute sense, the creator of something is the only thing that can destroy it. It cannot be destroyed by anything other than that which created it. (But I realize that concept is so far removed from anything related to either the monotheistic religions, or the materialistic sciences, as to be almost meaningless in their contexts.)If you create something do you not have the same rights? let's talk about this. well lets say this god does exist, at least for some - and that he/it is the/our creator, are you saying then that you believe he does have the ability to destroy us or anything else he creates? Of course if you find this meaningless, than i will expect no answer back. but for those who might not - lets look at it this way - if "I"M the creator [or you] of something or everything do i not have the power if i brought you/it, into existence to do with it as i wish, as i see fit? If yes - then am i a murderer if i destroy you/it/anything/everything?? If not, then whats your perception of this?? But as I said, the validity of that argument depends on the one premise, and I don’t happen to subscribe to that premise. The simple fact of creating ____ (fill in the blank with whatever you want) means that the creator can destroy it. The morals of the act are irrelevant because the only morals involved are the morals of the creator. Any imagined morals of the _____ are meaningless to the creator - if for no other reason than that the morals of the _____ were also created by the creator. So from that viewpoint, yes, the creator has the ability, privilege and moral and ethical right to destroy that which he created. In fact, if the creator deemed his creation to be “bad”, from his own moral standpoint, then he would have a moral obligation to destroy it. |
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I will speak of creativity and creators, but not of a hypothetical "all powerful God." An all powerful God can do anything IT wants. OF CREATORS IN GENERAL: Creativity is a double edged sword. A creator (of anything) must have the 'power' and the right to destroy that which he or she has created. This is necessary because in the creation of things there are mistakes made and these mistakes, if left untouched or unchanged may be very destructive and detrimental to life, not to mention ugly and/or useless waste of energy and space. It must be within the power (and the right) of the creator to destroy that which he or she has created. (If this is universal law, then a person should also have the right to take their own life, but they do not have the right to take the life of their children because they did not create their children.) jb |
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Destroy that which he creates?? If he is the creator, then does he not have the privledge to do with that which he creates as he see's fit? Without going into the question of what "god" is or whether "he" exist, I would say that "privilege" or "right" is irrelevant. In the absolute sense, the creator of something is the only thing that can destroy it. It cannot be destroyed by anything other than that which created it. (But I realize that concept is so far removed from anything related to either the monotheistic religions, or the materialistic sciences, as to be almost meaningless in their contexts.)If you create something do you not have the same rights? let's talk about this. well lets say this god does exist, at least for some - and that he/it is the/our creator, are you saying then that you believe he does have the ability to destroy us or anything else he creates? Of course if you find this meaningless, than i will expect no answer back. but for those who might not - lets look at it this way - if "I"M the creator [or you] of something or everything do i not have the power if i brought you/it, into existence to do with it as i wish, as i see fit? If yes - then am i a murderer if i destroy you/it/anything/everything?? If not, then whats your perception of this?? But as I said, the validity of that argument depends on the one premise, and I don’t happen to subscribe to that premise. The simple fact of creating ____ (fill in the blank with whatever you want) means that the creator can destroy it. The morals of the act are irrelevant because the only morals involved are the morals of the creator. Any imagined morals of the _____ are meaningless to the creator - if for no other reason than that the morals of the _____ were also created by the creator. So from that viewpoint, yes, the creator has the ability, privilege and moral and ethical right to destroy that which he created. In fact, if the creator deemed his creation to be “bad”, from his own moral standpoint, then he would have a moral obligation to destroy it. thnx for that skyhook |
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well lets say this god does exist, at least for some - This hypothetical God either exits or It does not exist. If it is an "all powerful creator" who created and gives life to this universe, and the living creatures within it, it would be meaningless for its creation to protest or judge their own destruction. They are (and should be) at It's mercy as its creation. and that he/it is the/our creator, are you saying then that you believe he does have the ability to destroy us or anything else he creates? Of course if you find this meaningless, than i will expect no answer back. but for those who might not - lets look at it this way - if "I"M the creator [or you] of something or everything do i not have the power if i brought you/it, into existence to do with it as i wish, as i see fit? If yes - then am i a murderer if i destroy you/it/anything/everything?? If not, then whats your perception of this?? The question of whether or not you were a "murderer" would not even be brought up. If you are an all powerful creator, who created a colony of ants and you found them to be a bad idea, I don't think you would much care if the ants called you a murderer if you stepped on one. Would you tolerate a pile of ants putting you on trial for murder? I doubt it. JB |
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