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Topic: The most violent sport and it needs to be banned: MMA
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Tue 10/21/08 05:43 AM
Written by myself, a guy who did Karate, Tae Kwon Do, BJJ, Grappling, Amateur Boxing, and MMA and was an instructor and now im an ACSM personal trainer. These "sports", if you want to call them that, need to be banned. They are nothing but pure violence, and instructors try to brainwash you into thinking otherwise.

These instructors try to use words like focus, balance, concentration, coordination, discipline, self-control (stuff you can learn in ANY sport, lol) to make it seem like a good sport. They say its not about fighting, even though....ummm, its called "fighting" lol. And the people who do it are called "fighters", and UFC stands for Ultimate FIGHTING Championship. I bet you never thought about that, did you?

What do swimmers do? They swim. Runners? They run. Cyclists? They bicycle. Shooters? They shoot. What do plumbers do? They plumb. What does a runningback do? He runs. So, what do "fighters" do? They FIGHT. I thought fighting was assault, isnt assault illegal?

When a soccer player scores a goal, why does he run all over the field in excitment? Because hes excited at his focus, balance, coordination? No, hes excited he scored a goal. So why do "fighters" parade around the cage after knocking out someone? Because their excited to have great focus, balance, coordination, etc? No. Theyre excited they just whooped someones ass. Is that so hard for people to realize? In any other sport, if someone is injured, everyone kneels and prays together, like when Anquan Boldin got knocked out in the NFL game weeks ago. In MMA, someone is always on the ground injured after a fight, and the whole crowd is cheering. Wow, thats disgusting.

Have you ever watched a UFC "fight"? UWC "fight?" Pride "fight"? What are they doing? FIGHTING. Why do they stare each other down beforehand? Because "dude, i got better concentration than you!"....no, they stare each other down because they wanna whoop the other guys' ass.

Have you ever looked up in a dictionary what "boxing", "kickboxing", and "martial arts" means? Boxing means "FIGHTING with the fists", kickboxing means "a martial art and sport of attack and defense", and martial arts means "art of war". Hmmm, art of war? Why is "art of war" being taught to people who arent in war, or to 5 year olds??? And why is it that everytime you tell THIS to people in mma and all those sports, they get so mean and defensive, i thought MMA taught RESPECT?? People dont get mean or defensive if you bash baseball, soccer, swimming, etc....but then again, MMA is pretty much the only sport with so much controversy surrounding it. I wonder why...

Over and over again, people in these sports talk about how safe it is, how its MUCH safer than gymnastics, soccer, hockey, etc. Again, what do hockey players do? Play hockey. What do soccer players do? Play soccer. What do fighters do? FIGHT. Compare the amount of blood spilt in MMA, to soccer. Compare the amount of people passed out in MMA, to gymnastics. NOW which is worse? If someone dies in soccer, its not as a result of SOCCER. There have been deaths in football, but because the guy got a heart attack or something. In MMA, the deaths theyve had, were a result of the FIGHT.

If soccer, football, hockey, etc has more injuries, perhaps its because soccer/football/hockey players compete on a WEEKLY basis. Whereas in MMA and all those violent sports, they compete every month or every few months.

So MMA teaches balance, focus, concentration, coordination, body conditioning? So does every other sport. So how come soccer players can play for 2 hours and not get worn out? But in MMA, Kimbo Slice gets knocked out in 14 seconds by a no-name guy with pink hair. Tim Sylvia gets choked out within a minute or two by Fedor. And some people get knocked out in a matter of seconds. Yeah, sounds to me like they have incredible body conditioning. How come Brock Lesnar went out for football and couldnt even make the practice squad for the Vikings?

MMA isnt about fighting? So why did Chuck Lidell say in an NBC interview, "we wouldnt do doing this stuff if we didnt have issues". Why did Matt Serra say "we had a drink and went our seperate ways, i dont fight friends". But, MMA isnt about fighting, right? Cant someone compete their focus, balance, concentration, coordination with a friend? Of course! Why did Fedor say "every man i fight, i view him as someone trying to send me back to my days of poverty, so this man must be eliminated"...hmm, but MMA isnt about fighting, right? If MMA is about respect, self-control, discipline....then uhh, why are they fighting? Have any of you ever thought about THAT before??

Ive seen a few MMA shows, like Fight Science, Combat Sports on Comcast...and the whole show was basically showing every way to hurt a person, how to hit them hard enough it damages their body, or gives them a concussion.....wow, thats sickening. Not to mention most people in these sports that I know, I ask them why they do it, and they say its because they love fighting, kicking people's asses, hurting people legally. These are the same people who want the "Gladiator" days of Ancient Rome to come back, where people KILLED each other. Thats so gross.

Who watches UFC and all these pointless sports? MOST are young people, Rednecks, College kids, Drunks, party goers, "Bad asses", people in the military who love fighting, troublemakers. If MMA was such a safe, good sport...why did so many states ban it at first? Some still have rules on it. Why isnt it mainstream? Why isnt MMA in the olympics? Boxing and tae kwon do are, but they are on the verge of being taken out of the olympics. EliteXC was on CBS twice, but thats on the verge of being taken out too. Why?

Many times, MMA people try to say, "its about self defense. If someone came in your home and tried to attack your mother, would u just sit there?"....uhh, what on EARTH does some criminal intruding in my house and attacking my mother, have to do with me getting in a cage with some random guy who did NOTHING to me? I have my own martial art, its called "ball kicking". If a guy attacks you, u kick him in the nuts and you win, but that according to MMA guys and "tough guys" is called "being a *****"...because yes, if some guy has a knife or gun to you, you DONT want to be a *****, you want to be TOUGH, right? No. The last thing on your mind is "i dont wanna be a ***** about this".

Funny how the rate of people being attacked, assaulted, sexually assaulted, and raped is on the RISE, and in the same time, MMA people try to say their sport is fast-growing. So either these mma people are learning NOTHING about how to defend themselves in the real world, or they are taking their knowledge to the streets and beating people up for fun. MMA guys try to say fighting is in our nature.....umm, no its not. Ive been on this earth for a long time and ive NEVER got into a fight OUTSIDE of the cage. Im sure MMA is on the rise, because people enjoy violent entertainment.

These people are simply brainwashed, and they enjoy what they do because they are able to fight legally, take their anger, frustration, stress out on people. Yes you learn confidence in MMA, because before you'll say "uhh no, i wont knee him in the liver", but NOW ull say "hell yeah i will!". So yeah, its not GOOD confidence. How exactly does kicking someone in the head, punching someone, kneeing them in the liver, choking them out, a GOOD thing? How does that teach focus, balance, concentration, etc? How is that SAFE? Why is it that when a guy is knocked down and defenseless, the attacker STILL goes at him? THAT, is what really proves that its about fighting.

Any other sport alive, teaches focus, balance, concentration, coordination...SAFELY, and its FUN too. And nobody watches UFC for any other reason besides, they wanna watch someone get the **** beat out of them. People who say otherwise, get a life, you're only lying to yourself, thats like a college kid saying "i wanna go to Amsterdam to see the beautiful scenery." NO, u wanna go to Amsterdam to do drugs and get laid.

Not to mention, almost every medical association alive, speaks AGAINST the sport. Almost every doctor, speaks AGAINST the sport. I wonder why...

I really dont need to sit here and explain bit by bit, WHY its such a bad sport, and why it really is violence and about fighting. If you're not smart enough to watch a fight and say, "damn, thats violent and cruel, why do people do that?" then you've got some issues. Its okay for 2 people to step in a ring and beat the **** out of each other, but its not okay for 2 kids in a hallway to fight? And 2 kids in a hallway are fighting for a REASON. Why did Fedor choke out Sylvia? What, did Sylvia steal his girlfriend? And, why on earth do they allow you to CHOKE people??? Plus, school fights arent as violent as MMA fights.

I mean seriously, whats so entertaining about watching 2 people beat each other up??? What are we, middle schoolers? In the world we live in, shouldnt we be teaching people NOT to fight? 7 years ago this country got attacked, yet 7 years later WE are still beating each other up. Honestly I hope it gets mainstreamed one day, because since we live in a country full of whiney parents, parents will start to whine constantly about pro fighting being on TV, THEN congress will start to act to get rid of it. Lastly, just think of the long term effects of being hit in the head, knee'ed in the liver, choked so much...theres a reason UFC and boxing doesnt talk about its old fighters who are now in their 50s and 60s...

So let me get this straight...our country wants to ban gay marriage, yet they dont want to ban 2 people beating the blood out of each other? They wont show sex, the most natural and normal thing alive on free tv, yet theyll show two people beating the blood out of each other on free tv?? Wow...

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Tue 10/21/08 05:57 AM
then ban boxing,, people have actually died in the ring, oh dont forget to ban football, cause people get more head injuries in that sport than any other, and more injuries on the football field than all others total. reported and not. dont forget taking hockey out, more blood in that than most. while your at it,, take away all contact sports that someone might enjoy

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Tue 10/21/08 05:59 AM
Hey, don't mess with my hockey!!!!!!!!!!!laugh laugh

Thing is, you can't ban it. These are grown men and women making their own decisions on what do with their lives, bodies and brains. They're not hurting anyone, except those who have made the same decision.

buffry's photo
Tue 10/21/08 06:03 AM
Edited by buffry on Tue 10/21/08 06:04 AM
Let them fight if they want to! I don't believe in banning sports!

Btw...I'm a bit biased...my cousin is the golden glove Champion this year!!! I am very proud!

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Tue 10/21/08 06:10 AM
did i mention that i play football,, high school and semi pro., broken ribs, concussion, sprains strains and torn muscles, and still went out , 12 years in martial arts, with all the injuries that come with it, and still was willing to get in the ring and go toe to toe,

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Tue 10/21/08 06:11 AM
Interesting observation. I have spoken with people that were into boxing many years ago and they have an interesting perspective also.

Many boxing gyms were in poor neighborhoods and were brought in to give the kids an outlet. These old time boxing trainers feel that MMA does not do for kids what boxing did.

In boxing gyms around the country, kids were taught lessons as well as boxing that could be carried into life.

Always fight a stand up fight.
Never hit a man below the belt.
Never hit a man when he is down.





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Tue 10/21/08 06:15 AM

Interesting observation. I have spoken with people that were into boxing many years ago and they have an interesting perspective also.

Many boxing gyms were in poor neighborhoods and were brought in to give the kids an outlet. These old time boxing trainers feel that MMA does not do for kids what boxing did.

In boxing gyms around the country, kids were taught lessons as well as boxing that could be carried into life.

Always fight a stand up fight.
Never hit a man below the belt.
Never hit a man when he is down.







But, in all fairness (and I really, really hate MMA), boxing and MMA are 2 different sports. And I say again, if two adults in their right minds decide this is what they wanna do, then by all means, let them. I don't have to watch it and I choose not to (unless I'm overruled by someone, he knows who he is :tongue: ).

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Tue 10/21/08 06:31 AM
I didn't bother to read any of that babble, so excuse me if I miss the finer points. Anyway, it won't get banned and it is more like the ancient gladiator sports then anything else we have out there...I don't care for sports but I do admire MMA for what it is, a true man versus man fight to the finish (in true gladiator form, well, aside from one doesn't have to die to lose). With the same principle as what has been said already, why not try and ban football? Or hockey for that matter? MMA has very strict guidelines and a top-notch medical team, whereas hockey is pretty much duke it out and the ref will stop it eventually.

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Tue 10/21/08 06:40 AM
Lets ban the military. All they do is hurt, maime, and kill intentionally. I know from 20 years experience. GET A REAL LIFE Not Normal. If you can't handle the heat, don't jump in the frying pan. Those are everyday facts of life. MPO! laugh biggrin waving

May777's photo
Tue 10/21/08 06:43 AM
reminds me of how the Romans` use to slay gladiators in the amphitheatres for their entertainment,..

what`s happening to society that finds fighting and killing entertaining,..

120557's photo
Tue 10/21/08 06:48 AM
It has never changed. Just called something more appropriate to the times.

May777's photo
Tue 10/21/08 06:50 AM
is there any other animal on the planet that enjoys watching the sufferings and death of another ???

we`re the lowest kind

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Tue 10/21/08 06:52 AM
Yep, for sure.

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Tue 10/21/08 06:52 AM


Interesting observation. I have spoken with people that were into boxing many years ago and they have an interesting perspective also.

Many boxing gyms were in poor neighborhoods and were brought in to give the kids an outlet. These old time boxing trainers feel that MMA does not do for kids what boxing did.

In boxing gyms around the country, kids were taught lessons as well as boxing that could be carried into life.

Always fight a stand up fight.
Never hit a man below the belt.
Never hit a man when he is down.



But, in all fairness (and I really, really hate MMA), boxing and MMA are 2 different sports. And I say again, if two adults in their right minds decide this is what they wanna do, then by all means, let them. I don't have to watch it and I choose not to (unless I'm overruled by someone, he knows who he is :tongue: ).

So going by your opinion, anything goes as long as it is by two consenting adults?

Well, let's just bring back full gladiator games.

Weapons and all. Swords, spears, pitchforks.

Fight to the death!





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Tue 10/21/08 07:00 AM



Interesting observation. I have spoken with people that were into boxing many years ago and they have an interesting perspective also.

Many boxing gyms were in poor neighborhoods and were brought in to give the kids an outlet. These old time boxing trainers feel that MMA does not do for kids what boxing did.

In boxing gyms around the country, kids were taught lessons as well as boxing that could be carried into life.

Always fight a stand up fight.
Never hit a man below the belt.
Never hit a man when he is down.



But, in all fairness (and I really, really hate MMA), boxing and MMA are 2 different sports. And I say again, if two adults in their right minds decide this is what they wanna do, then by all means, let them. I don't have to watch it and I choose not to (unless I'm overruled by someone, he knows who he is :tongue: ).

So going by your opinion, anything goes as long as it is by two consenting adults?

Well, let's just bring back full gladiator games.

Weapons and all. Swords, spears, pitchforks.

Fight to the death!







In my opinion, it's a free country and people are free to make their own decisions about whether or not they either want to participate or watch. If no one is forcing you (as they did the gladiators), then yup, it's their right. Doesn't matter if I personally agree with it or not (which, btw, I don't as I stated). But who am I to decide what is right for another legal adult? If it's legal (which it is), then it's their right to choose. flowerforyou

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Tue 10/21/08 07:20 AM
This is easy. No not watch these programs. Do not support the companies that sponsor these events and programs.
It survives only because money is being made from it.
Do not go to bars where the have "Fight Night" showing these programs either free or on pay per view.

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Tue 10/21/08 07:25 AM

did i mention that i play football,, high school and semi pro., broken ribs, concussion, sprains strains and torn muscles, and still went out , 12 years in martial arts, with all the injuries that come with it, and still was willing to get in the ring and go toe to toe,



that doesnt make you a winner, makes you a fool in then end....

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Tue 10/21/08 07:34 AM
nah it makes me do what i feel is right for me. i live with my injuries, and deal with then accordingly. most people who have no scars to show that they have done something exciting in their lives, i have enough to show that i have done something that was fun for me.

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Tue 10/21/08 07:41 AM


did i mention that i play football,, high school and semi pro., broken ribs, concussion, sprains strains and torn muscles, and still went out , 12 years in martial arts, with all the injuries that come with it, and still was willing to get in the ring and go toe to toe,



that doesnt make you a winner, makes you a fool in then end....


Why a fool? For living life according to what's right for him? He may have issues later in life (arthritis, etc) but so will people who've never done anything but sat at a desk all their life. And if that works for them, more power to 'em! Doing something you love, whether it's collecting stamps or playing a violent sport or skydiving or eating bugs, is what makes life worth living. flowerforyou

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Tue 10/21/08 07:54 AM
just because i had the testicular fortitude to do something that might not be considered safe and lived to tell about it, dont knock me cause i had fun in my life. and i would be in mma if i didnt have a torn shoulder. they wont let me train with them until i get it fixed. just something else for me to have fun with

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