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Topic: has the "big bang theory" become a religious belief?
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 10/25/08 01:34 PM
It was formed and came about as a part of natural [nature] concepts ans was well held during the beginnings of the enlightenment. it originally had nothing to do with a christian god but of natural hapenstance. "Tribo"...deistism is just a form of pantheism which pertaining to the situation of the founding fathers was first influence by christianity ...are you saying that Christianity have no influence in their relgious decisions

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sat 10/25/08 01:36 PM
Funches there is no real consensus on when the "age of enlightenment" began so if you are going to now try to say that crazy over-zealous Christians also existed during that period, then I guess you have no argument out of me. They have been around for the past 2000 years or so. "Krisma" I just want you to explain where the "deist" concept of a God came from if not from Christianity I already did. I posted what the fundamentalist belief of a deist is exactly. You agreed with that definition and if not, I will find another. A deist believes in a creator but it generally is described as the "god of nature" and this tends to mean that they will not argue with the idea that a creator exists and the universe is a result of this creation, however they do not define it in terms of being Christian in origin. Its apples and oranges. but "Krisma" since Thomas Jefferson was a know protestant...wouldn't he was derive his concept of God from that faith and later may have change his views and splinter off into another sect Well like Sam and I have both evidenced, it does not matter what he might have done later in his life. I actually have not researched that. BUT, the point we are attempting to make is AT THE TIME of the writing of the Constitution and the Declaration, he was a Deist. Outside of that wouldn't be significant.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sat 10/25/08 01:36 PM
Funches there is no real consensus on when the "age of enlightenment" began so if you are going to now try to say that crazy over-zealous Christians also existed during that period, then I guess you have no argument out of me. They have been around for the past 2000 years or so. "Krisma" I just want you to explain where the "deist" concept of a God came from if not from Christianity I already did. I posted what the fundamentalist belief of a deist is exactly. You agreed with that definition and if not, I will find another. A deist believes in a creator but it generally is described as the "god of nature" and this tends to mean that they will not argue with the idea that a creator exists and the universe is a result of this creation, however they do not define it in terms of being Christian in origin. Its apples and oranges. but "Krisma" since Thomas Jefferson was a know protestant...wouldn't he was derive his concept of God from that faith and later may have change his views and splinter off into another sect catholocism defines deism as atheism, it was not a splintering it was a outright denouncing of what christianity taught, you need to read JEFF's life story, he died not believing in a christian god and his later writings show this to be so. there was nothing christian about those i mention as deist read thomad paynes life also and ben frankiln, when they came here they were already doubting the christian god and became full deist in a relatively short period of time.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sat 10/25/08 01:39 PM
It was formed and came about as a part of natural [nature] concepts ans was well held during the beginnings of the enlightenment. it originally had nothing to do with a christian god but of natural hapenstance. "Tribo"...deistism is just a form of pantheism which pertaining to the situation of the founding fathers was first influence by christianity ...are you saying that Christianity have no influence in their relgious decisions I have told you SEVERAL of these men were Deists. We have established that. I never said that there were NO Christians present in Congress. Clearly they had some representation. Do you remember the quotes I showed you? Do you read at all what others post??

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sat 10/25/08 01:42 PM
Funches there is no real consensus on when the "age of enlightenment" began so if you are going to now try to say that crazy over-zealous Christians also existed during that period, then I guess you have no argument out of me. They have been around for the past 2000 years or so. "Krisma" I just want you to explain where the "deist" concept of a God came from if not from Christianity I already did. I posted what the fundamentalist belief of a deist is exactly. You agreed with that definition and if not, I will find another. A deist believes in a creator but it generally is described as the "god of nature" and this tends to mean that they will not argue with the idea that a creator exists and the universe is a result of this creation, however they do not define it in terms of being Christian in origin. Its apples and oranges. but "Krisma" since Thomas Jefferson was a know protestant...wouldn't he was derive his concept of God from that faith and later may have change his views and splinter off into another sect catholocism defines deism as atheism, it was not a splintering it was a outright denouncing of what christianity taught, you need to read JEFF's life story, he died not believing in a christian god and his later writings show this to be so. there was nothing christian about those i mention as deist read thomad paynes life also and ben frankiln, when they came here they were already doubting the christian god and became full deist in a relatively short period of time. Wow. Okay I didnt even realize it was that hard lined. Sorry my mistake. Tell that to funches. My guess is that if Darwin had existed a century earlier, these men would have embraced atheism lock and barrel because it would have given them a clear basis for it. They were already leaning in that direction.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sat 10/25/08 01:43 PM
It was formed and came about as a part of natural [nature] concepts ans was well held during the beginnings of the enlightenment. it originally had nothing to do with a christian god but of natural hapenstance. "Tribo"...deistism is just a form of pantheism which pertaining to the situation of the founding fathers was first influence by christianity ...are you saying that Christianity have no influence in their relgious decisions no they did not , the rest of those who were christian certainly did and JEFF was very upset about them changing his words quite pisseddd off, but he was not in the position to be able to vote to not have them changed. The constitution as it was originally written is a piece of evidence of how jefferson would have had it be if not blocked by christian others. go read learn and then discuss.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 10/25/08 01:48 PM
It was formed and came about as a part of natural [nature] concepts ans was well held during the beginnings of the enlightenment. it originally had nothing to do with a christian god but of natural hapenstance. "Tribo"...deistism is just a form of pantheism which pertaining to the situation of the founding fathers was first influence by christianity ...are you saying that Christianity have no influence in their relgious decisions I have told you SEVERAL of these men were Deists. We have established that. I never said that there were NO Christians present in Congress. Clearly they had some representation. Do you remember the quotes I showed you? Do you read at all what others post?? the point I was making about being influence is jefferson family life growing up ...that this is where his concept of God came from deist and pantheist worship a God but still follow the same christian concepts

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Sat 10/25/08 01:50 PM
funches please entreat me this question. what is proof? what does it take to prove something?

Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sat 10/25/08 01:51 PM
funches please entreat me this question. what is proof? what does it take to prove something? It's a slide rule equation based on the Law of Funches...

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 10/25/08 01:52 PM
Well like Sam and I have both evidenced, it does not matter what he might have done later in his life. I actually have not researched that. BUT, the point we are attempting to make is AT THE TIME of the writing of the Constitution and the Declaration, he was a Deist. Outside of that wouldn't be significant. well "Krisma" let's use "Sam" aka "Tribo" to show my point ..."Tribo" follows supposely a panthiesm or deist existence ...but he was first a christian and that is where his concept of God came from ...his religious or spiritual affliation was spawned from christianity

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sat 10/25/08 01:52 PM
funches please entreat me this question. what is proof? what does it take to prove something? you cnt prove anything to funch unless he agrees with it, truth to funch is spelled funch

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sat 10/25/08 01:56 PM
Alright funches I give up. I concede defeat or whatever. The founding fathers were just confused Christians. Obviously because you were not there to impart your divine wisdom before them. I dont even know how they managed to write down the Declaration and the Constitution without your assistance.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 10/25/08 01:58 PM
funches please entreat me this question. what is proof? what does it take to prove something? well "Bushidobillyclub" ..you supposely took a math test the other day ..math is not about claiming belief as truth it's about facts ..and that is what I consider as proof

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 10/25/08 01:59 PM
funches please entreat me this question. what is proof? what does it take to prove something? It's a slide rule equation based on the Law of Funches... you got it "Jess"

Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sat 10/25/08 02:00 PM
funches please entreat me this question. what is proof? what does it take to prove something? It's a slide rule equation based on the Law of Funches... you got it "Jess" ***Bows head**** "Why thankyou, oh great Sensai, shall I now go and perfect my wax on, wax off meditation?"

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sat 10/25/08 02:01 PM
Well like Sam and I have both evidenced, it does not matter what he might have done later in his life. I actually have not researched that. BUT, the point we are attempting to make is AT THE TIME of the writing of the Constitution and the Declaration, he was a Deist. Outside of that wouldn't be significant. well "Krisma" let's use "Sam" aka "Tribo" to show my point ..."Tribo" follows supposely a panthiesm or deist existence ...but he was first a christian and that is where his concept of God came from ...his religious or spiritual affliation was spawned from christianity im a truist funch i am still searching for truths, that is my goal, to find the truth i have not settled on anyway bieng "the" way as of yet, but i do agree my original take on god was christian/catholic in reality. but- whati write now if you did not know that would not lead you to conclude in anyway that i was at some point a christian. and thats what i mean of jefferson and the rest of the deist.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 10/25/08 02:01 PM
Alright funches I give up. I concede defeat or whatever. The founding fathers were just confused Christians. Obviously because you were not there to impart your divine wisdom before them. I dont even know how they managed to write down the Declaration and the Constitution without your assistance. well "Krisma" let's just say that the majority of the founding fathers were christians and the ones that arrived on the Mayflower were christians or whatever...but clearly christians ruled the land

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sat 10/25/08 02:03 PM Edited by Krimsa on Sat 10/25/08 02:04 PM
funches please entreat me this question. what is proof? what does it take to prove something? well "Bushidobillyclub" ..you supposely took a math test the other day ..math is not about claiming belief as truth it's about facts ..and that is what I consider as proof We have given you facts Funches. You just refuse to see them because they probably differ from what you were taught as a boy in school or from elders in your life.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 10/25/08 02:04 PM
funches please entreat me this question. what is proof? what does it take to prove something? It's a slide rule equation based on the Law of Funches... you got it "Jess" ***Bows head**** "Why thankyou, oh great Sensai, shall I now go and perfect my wax on, wax off meditation?" hummmm mediation and the pain of waxing ...sounds kinky

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sat 10/25/08 02:05 PM
Alright funches I give up. I concede defeat or whatever. The founding fathers were just confused Christians. Obviously because you were not there to impart your divine wisdom before them. I dont even know how they managed to write down the Declaration and the Constitution without your assistance. well "Krisma" let's just say that the majority of the founding fathers were christians and the ones that arrived on the Mayflower were christians or whatever...but clearly christians ruled the land I would disagree and have given you substantial supportive evidence. There were Christians and there were Deists. Thats the reality.