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Edited by
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Wow..this thread is from 3 years ago...that was about
the time I left this place.... ....didn't return back here until just a few months ago... and I just now noticed that.... we are STILL taking about the same ole same ole.....   Lord , please give us some new subject matter to discuss on this board !!!  Hey..I Love You Guys .... So Does God.  |
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..the main problem i see with religion as a whole was that it was written by man,what was put into the bible and what was left out ..man again..so if one was to believe in God,is it really their belief or a belief in what man has written about God,especially when one looks at things that were omitted,and one has to ask themselves who gave these people the right to decide on what went into the bible and what was left out...man..makes me ponder whether God made man ..or man made God in his image to suit his belief at the time..and others just followed along..tho it talks about false prophets no one gave a time line..if we only knew the real truth than maybe there would be a better understanding..and with that less room to debate that which we really have no true knowledge of,other than what we think we know..by what man wrote..man always seems to have an agenda that which suits him best..i don't believe i can put my trust in that..nor faith..for man has proven over time that he's not to be trusted..no matter what his position lest i talk of pedophile priest ..i do not view myself as a blasphemer,or an atheist,but more of a searcher of the truth,with no time to debate that which i have no true knowledge of..seems like a waste of time trying to get others to see things or believe things the way i do..after all..to each his own..we may find in the vastness of the universe that we are no more than an atom..but we think we are more because thats the way we were made to think through creation..but what do i know other than what i think i know until proven...  jmo religious beliefs are simply unprovable concepts or wishful thoughts based on faith which is about the same as placing a bet at the casino ....but religious belief seems to hold a truth that has nothing to do with religion but more with the subconscious mind and one of the ways to find out is to ask question of those that claim to be religious ... |
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Edited by
funches
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Wed 06/22/11 05:41 AM
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Wow..this thread is from 3 years ago...that was about the time I left this place.... ....didn't return back here until just a few months ago... and I just now noticed that.... we are STILL taking about the same ole same ole..... Lord , please give us some new subject matter to discuss on this board !!! Hey..I Love You Guys .... So Does God. yes Lord...give us something else to discuss besides that same old same old stuff in the New Testament ..... can you find it within yourself to come on down and perform a couple of real miracles like you did in the Old Testament so we can have something new to talk about and debate ...you know those good old miracles that violated the laws of physics and not like the fake ones in the New Testament I mean jeez it's been over two thousand years since you perform one or did anything that is God related the Christians are down here going crazy with nothing to do or talk about and even took it upon themselves to start making there own judgement days..the last one was I think was on March 21th this year...but heck you know that because you're omniscient but anyway I think they are ready for the world to end so they can finally get the satisfaction of knowing that those pesty unbelievers like myself are burning in hell for all etenity (give or take a day or two) so come on lord ....what do you say...how about performing a miracle or anything so we can have some new debating material |
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Wow..this thread is from 3 years ago...that was about the time I left this place.... ....didn't return back here until just a few months ago... and I just now noticed that.... we are STILL taking about the same ole same ole..... Lord , please give us some new subject matter to discuss on this board !!! Hey..I Love You Guys .... So Does God. yes Lord...give us something else to discuss besides that same old same old stuff in the New Testament ..... can you find it within yourself to come on down and perform a couple of real miracles like you did in the Old Testament so we can have something new to talk about and debate ...you know those good old miracles that violated the laws of physics and not like the fake ones in the New Testament I mean jeez it's been over two thousand years since you perform one or did anything that is God related the Christians are down here going crazy with nothing to do or talk about and even took it upon themselves to start making there own judgement days..the last one was I think was on March 21th this year...but heck you know that because you're omniscient but anyway I think they are ready for the world to end so they can finally get the satisfaction of knowing that those pesty unbelievers like myself are burning in hell for all etenity (give or take a day or two) so come on lord ....what do you say...how about performing a miracle or anything so we can have some new debating material Look around and you will see the answers to the questions you possess. Miracles happen everyday, things that aren't "usual" and can not be explained. People getting over certain sicknesses, people managing to pay their bills when they seen no way, many many many upon many miracles happen everyday. |
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Look around and you will see the answers to the questions you possess. Miracles happen everyday, things that aren't "usual" and can not be explained. People getting over certain sicknesses, people managing to pay their bills when they seen no way, many many many upon many miracles happen everyday. having bills and paying bills are situations made by Man.....it's odd that you use the love of money which is the root of all evil as miracles from God also going to the doctor to be healed is not a miracle.......calling it a miracle is just a way of trying to get out of paying the hospital bill by trying to claim that God healed you and not the Doctor ..... those that actually believe in God do not go to Doctors they let God heal them Cowboy...I'm talking about Old Testament miracles...not the fake stuff on Christian Tv |
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Look around and you will see the answers to the questions you possess. Miracles happen everyday, things that aren't "usual" and can not be explained. People getting over certain sicknesses, people managing to pay their bills when they seen no way, many many many upon many miracles happen everyday. having bills and paying bills are situations made by Man.....it's odd that you use the love of money which is the root of all evil as miracles from God also going to the doctor to be healed is not a miracle.......calling it a miracle is just a way of trying to get out of paying the hospital bill by trying to claim that God healed you and not the Doctor ..... those that actually believe in God do not go to Doctors they let God heal them Cowboy...I'm talking about Old Testament miracles...not the fake stuff on Christian Tv Going to the doctor is not a miracle, this much is true. But when the doc's say that so and so will not make it and or will not make it in a correct manner, but then this person does, is a miracle. It's not foreseen, and is unknown to just how it happened. You also have to keep in mind, God works through people. Giving them the knowledge, the skill, and the way to heal/help someone in need. having bills and paying bills are situations made by Man.....it's odd that you use the love of money which is the root of all evil as miracles from God Absolutely no one spoke of any love of any money. If someone(s) just lost their job, then their house burns down. The miracle lays in finding someone(s) to help them get back on their feet and or help them out getting their life back to normal. Give credit where credit is due is where it boils down to. |
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Going to the doctor is not a miracle, this much is true. But when the doc's say that so and so will not make it and or will not make it in a correct manner, but then this person does, is a miracle. It's not foreseen, and is unknown to just how it happened. You also have to keep in mind, God works through people. Giving them the knowledge, the skill, and the way to heal/help someone in need. just as you won't find any atheists in a fox hole you won't find any true believers at the doctor's ...but you will find agnostics there Absolutely no one spoke of any love of any money. If someone(s) just lost their job, then their house burns down. The miracle lays in finding someone(s) to help them get back on their feet and or help them out getting their life back to normal. Give credit where credit is due is where it boils down to. if tragedy happens in one's life is it not by the grace of God that these events happen as in the story of "JOB" ....true believers have no need for money for they take a vow of poverty as a true test of their faith....agnostics do the opposite Cowboy...are you sure you're not agnostic? |
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Going to the doctor is not a miracle, this much is true. But when the doc's say that so and so will not make it and or will not make it in a correct manner, but then this person does, is a miracle. It's not foreseen, and is unknown to just how it happened. You also have to keep in mind, God works through people. Giving them the knowledge, the skill, and the way to heal/help someone in need. just as you won't find any atheists in a fox hole you won't find any true believers at the doctor's ...but you will find agnostics there Absolutely no one spoke of any love of any money. If someone(s) just lost their job, then their house burns down. The miracle lays in finding someone(s) to help them get back on their feet and or help them out getting their life back to normal. Give credit where credit is due is where it boils down to. if tragedy happens in one's life is it not by the grace of God that these events happen as in the story of "JOB" ....true believers have no need for money for they take a vow of poverty as a true test of their faith....agnostics do the opposite Cowboy...are you sure you're not agnostic? just as you won't find any atheists in a fox hole you won't find any true believers at the doctor's ...but you will find agnostics there And why would you not find a true believer in a doctors office? What in the world are you talking about? Why wouldn't a believer go to the doctors? God does work through people. if tragedy happens in one's life is it not by the grace of God that these events happen as in the story of "JOB" ....true believers have no need for money for they take a vow of poverty as a true test of their faith....agnostics do the opposite Cowboy...are you sure you're not agnostic? No it's not planned by God. But God allows them to happen. If this world had no sorrow, no pain of any sort, this world would be paradise. Remember we were kicked out of the paradise? And what vow of poverty are you talking about? No we don't reach for the riches, but we do reach to support our family and try to insure their survival in a comfortable life. |
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And why would you not find a true believer in a doctors office? What in the world are you talking about? anyone can claim to be a True Believer even Satan can make such a claim... but Satan does not place his faith with God he places it with Man ...which is the same as going to the Doctor |
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Edited by
funches
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Thu 06/23/11 04:21 AM
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Why wouldn't a believer go to the doctors? God does work through people. God working through people means that God himself has deem that person to either be divine or a prophet or a saint..... imagine going to a doctor that claim to be any of those things claiming that Man has the healing powers of God is another example of how the religious are trying to turn Man into God .....it started with Jesus and now has spread to those Men that has superior healing knowledge Alex Balwin said it best in the movie "Malice" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqeC3BPYTmE |
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No it's not planned by God. But God allows them to happen. according to your belief "Everyone Dies" in the flesh...which means that it's planned .....so why be surprise if you get sick ...it's God's way of bringing you to Heaven..so why run to a doctor to stop that ... If this world had no sorrow, no pain of any sort, this world would be paradise. yep....good thing that God allows pain and suffering...or people would be miserable Remember we were kicked out of the paradise? nope I don't remember being kicked out And what vow of poverty are you talking about? how much money did Jesus have ....or need? No we don't reach for the riches, but we do reach to support our family and try to insure their survival in a comfortable life. by comfortable life..are you referring to cable tv or a microwave oven, ....I'm pretty sure that if Jesus was here today his survival would required him to have a DVD player and a Computer |
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And why would you not find a true believer in a doctors office? What in the world are you talking about? anyone can claim to be a True Believer even Satan can make such a claim... but Satan does not place his faith with God he places it with Man ...which is the same as going to the Doctor ???? Not quite following you. James 2:19 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Shall we clarify just what faith is? Faith is having total and complete belief something is real, something will happen, something is true, ect. |
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Why wouldn't a believer go to the doctors? God does work through people. God working through people means that God himself has deem that person to either be divine or a prophet or a saint..... imagine going to a doctor that claim to be any of those things claiming that Man has the healing powers of God is another example of how the religious are trying to turn Man into God .....it started with Jesus and now has spread to those Men that has superior healing knowledge Alex Balwin said it best in the movie "Malice" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqeC3BPYTmE You read to many fairy books or watch to many movies Funches. We all are divine. We all are made in the image of God. Jesus even tells us we could do the same things he does/did. |
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No it's not planned by God. But God allows them to happen. according to your belief "Everyone Dies" in the flesh...which means that it's planned .....so why be surprise if you get sick ...it's God's way of bringing you to Heaven..so why run to a doctor to stop that ... If this world had no sorrow, no pain of any sort, this world would be paradise. yep....good thing that God allows pain and suffering...or people would be miserable Remember we were kicked out of the paradise? nope I don't remember being kicked out And what vow of poverty are you talking about? how much money did Jesus have ....or need? No we don't reach for the riches, but we do reach to support our family and try to insure their survival in a comfortable life. by comfortable life..are you referring to cable tv or a microwave oven, ....I'm pretty sure that if Jesus was here today his survival would required him to have a DVD player and a Computer according to your belief "Everyone Dies" in the flesh...which means that it's planned .....so why be surprise if you get sick ...it's God's way of bringing you to Heaven..so why run to a doctor to stop that ... No, our death on Earth is not planned ahead of time. There are no "destinies". And getting sick, doesn't mean death in exacts. Just means getting ill, which then leads to feeling miserable. how much money did Jesus have ....or need? Don't know, isn't really important to know. But Jesus did have a job. Jesus did labour at one point in his life, he was a carpenter. by comfortable life..are you referring to cable tv or a microwave oven, ....I'm pretty sure that if Jesus was here today his survival would required him to have a DVD player and a Computer Why would it require him to have those? Those are not necessary for survival. Those are luxuries. Jesus did not have anything, because he did not live for himself. He did not set up treasures for himself on earth eg., luxuries. Things of this world decays, rots away, and in time is destroyed. He was working for the gifts of heaven, not the gifts of this world. Just as he has told us to do. |
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No, our death on Earth is not planned ahead of time. There are no "destinies". that a Messiah will come, proves your statement as being blasphemy |
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Don't know, isn't really important to know. But Jesus did have a job. Jesus did labour at one point in his life, he was a carpenter. Jesus could had bartered his services ...also preist have jobs but no money it's impossible to have or handle any money that didn't spawn from purposes of evil or to committ evil ...this is why True Believers take a vow of poverty |
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Why would it require him to have those? Those are not necessary for survival. Those are luxuries. Jesus did not have anything, because he did not live for himself. He did not set up treasures for himself on earth eg., luxuries. Things of this world decays, rots away, and in time is destroyed. He was working for the gifts of heaven, not the gifts of this world. Just as he has told us to do. cool...so now explain why you have the luxury of a computer while others in the world have no food your explanation may help you understand why True Believers takes a vow of poverty and why agnostics don't |
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No, our death on Earth is not planned ahead of time. There are no "destinies". that a Messiah will come, proves your statement as being blasphemy No it does not. That is the plan for Jesus coming to Earth again, that doesn't directly effect you. That doesn't say at age 30 something horrible will happen to you in your life, then at age 35 something great. But you will die at the age of 37. That is what destiny is, and we by no means have a "destiny" for our own personal lives. And it's not set in stone nor "planned" when Jesus will return. That is why he says he will come like a thief in the night. So no, you can keep trying to turn things around and point fingers with accusations if you wish. Things that happen in our lives are in some way or other brought on by ourselves and our own choices. Just take for instance something that has happened to me as an example. We lived in Kentucky for a while, my parents left but I stayed. I was then in a major car wrech. Do I blame God? No, absolutely not. For it was my own personal choice to remain in Kentucky. And so on and so on. Things like this happens to us all, everyday. Little things to major things. But it all revolves around our own choices and decisions brought on us, but us. Not by God. |
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Don't know, isn't really important to know. But Jesus did have a job. Jesus did labour at one point in his life, he was a carpenter. Jesus could had bartered his services ...also preist have jobs but no money it's impossible to have or handle any money that didn't spawn from purposes of evil or to committ evil ...this is why True Believers take a vow of poverty Again not true. To get the food you need, it takes money. To get that money, takes work. As a servant of our lord Jesus Christ was give to others before us, yes. This may or may not cause "poverty". But to just choose poverty in exacts is not a choice we take directly. We put ourselves in the "poverty" area because of taking care of others before us. |
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Why would it require him to have those? Those are not necessary for survival. Those are luxuries. Jesus did not have anything, because he did not live for himself. He did not set up treasures for himself on earth eg., luxuries. Things of this world decays, rots away, and in time is destroyed. He was working for the gifts of heaven, not the gifts of this world. Just as he has told us to do. cool...so now explain why you have the luxury of a computer while others in the world have no food your explanation may help you understand why True Believers takes a vow of poverty and why agnostics don't Because with obtaining this computer it gives me the possibility of spreading the good news. It gives me a tool and the resources to learn more about God our father and that gives me more tools through the day to spread the word, to share the great news. |
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