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Topic: Detoxification . . .
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Mon 11/24/08 01:30 PM

Have you ever wondered about the claims of many new products on the market claiming to detoxify this or that . . . .


Today we're going to head into the bathroom and suck the toxins out of our bodies through our feet and through our bowels, and achieve a wonderful sense of wellness that medical science just hasn't caught onto yet. Today's topic is the myth of detoxification, as offered for sale by alternative practitioners and herbalists everywhere.

To better understand this phenomenon, it's necessary to define what they mean by toxins. Are they bacteria? Chemical pollutants? Trans fats? Heavy metals? To avoid being tested, they leave this pretty vague. Actual medical treatments will tell you exactly what they do and how they do it. Alternative detoxification therapies don't do either one. They pretty much leave it up to the imagination of the patient to invent their own toxins. Most people who seek alternative therapy believe themselves to be afflicted by some kind of self-diagnosed poison; be it industrial chemicals, McDonald's cheeseburgers, or fluoridated water. If the marketers leave their claims vague, a broader spectrum of patients will believe that the product will help them. And, of course, the word "toxin" is sufficiently scientific-sounding that it's convincing enough by itself to many people.

Let's assume that you work in a mine or a chemical plant and had some vocational accident, and fear that you might have heavy metal poisoning. What should you do? Any responsible person will go to a medical doctor for a blood test to find out for certain whether they have such poisoning. A person who avoids this step, because they prefer not to hear that the doctor can't find anything, is not a sick person. He is a person who wants to be sick. Moreover, he wants to be sick in such a way that he can take control and self-medicate. He wants an imaginary illness, caused by imaginary toxins.

Now it's fair for you to stop me at this point and call me out on my claim that these toxic conditions are imaginary. I will now tell you why I say that, and then as always, you should judge for yourself.

Let's start with one of the more graphic detoxification methods, gruesomely pictured on web sites and in chain emails. It's a bowel cleansing pill, said to be herbal, which causes your intestines to produce long, rubbery, hideous looking snakes of bowel movements, which they call mucoid plaque. There are lots of pictures of these on the Internet, and sites that sell these pills are a great place to find them. Look at DrNatura.com, BlessedHerbs.com, and AriseAndShine.com, just for a start. Imagine how terrifying it would be to actually see one of those come out of your body. If you did, it would sure seem to confirm everything these web sites have warned about toxins building up in your intestines. But there's more to it. As it turns out, any professional con artist would be thoroughly impressed to learn the secrets of mucoid plaque (and, incidentally, the term mucoid plaque was invented by these sellers; there is no such actual medical condition). These pills consist mainly of bentonite, an absorbent, expanding clay similar to kitty litter. Combined with psyllium, used in the production of mucilage polymer, bentonite forms a rubbery cast of your intestines when taken internally, mixed of course with whatever else your body is excreting. Surprise, a giant rubbery snake of toxins in your toilet.

It's important to note that the only recorded instances of these "mucoid plaque" snakes in all of medical history come from the toilets of the victims of these cleansing pills. No gastroenterologist has ever encountered one in tens of millions of endoscopies, and no pathologist has ever found one during an autopsy. They do not exist until you take such a pill to form them. The pill creates the very condition that it claims to cure. And the results are so graphic and impressive that no victim would ever think to argue with the claim.

Victims, did I call them? Creating rubber casts of your bowels might be gross but I haven't seen that it's particularly dangerous, so why are they victims? A one month supply of these pills costs $88 from the web sites I mentioned. $88 for a few pennies worth of kitty litter in a pretty bottle promising herbal and organic cleansing. Yeah, they're victims.

It's already been widely reported that alternative practitioners who provide colon cleansing with tubes and liquids have killed a number of their customers by causing infections and perforated bowels, and for this reason the FDA has made it illegal to sell such equipment, except for use in medical colon cleansing to prepare for radiologic endoscopic examinations. There is no legally sold colon cleansing equipment approved for general well being or detoxification.

As usual, the alternative practitioners stay one step ahead of the law. There are a number of electrical foot bath products on the market. The idea is that you stick your feet in the bath of salt water, usually with some herbal or homeopathic additive, plug it in and switch it on, and soak your feet. After a while the water turns a sickly brown, and this is claimed to be the toxins that have been drawn out of your body through your feet. One tester found that his water turned brown even when he did not put his feet in. The reason is that electrodes in the water corrode via eletrolysis, putting enough oxidized iron into the water to turn it brown. When reporter Ben Goldacre published these results in the Guardian Unlimited online news, some of the marketers of these products actually changed their messaging to admit this was happening — but again, staying one step ahead — now claim that their product is not about detoxification, it's about balancing the body's energy fields: Another meaningless, untestable claim.

But detoxifying through the feet didn't end there. A newcomer to the detoxification market is Kinoki foot pads, available at BuyKinoki.com. These are adhesive gauze patches that you stick to the sole of your foot at night, and they claim to "draw" "toxins" from your body. They also claim that all Japanese people have perfect health, and the reason is that they use Kinoki foot pads to detoxify their bodies, a secret they've been jealously guarding from medical science for hundreds of years. A foolish claim like this is demonstrably false on every level, and should raise a huge red flag to any critical reader. Nowhere in any of their marketing materials do they say what these alleged toxins are, or what mechanism might cause them to move from your body into the adhesive pad.

Kinoki foot pads contain unpublished amounts of vinegar, tourmaline, chitin, and other unspecified ingredients. Tourmaline is a semi-precious gemstone that's inert and not biologically reactive, so it has no plausible function. Chitin is a type of polymer used in gauze bandages and medical sutures, so naturally it's part of any gauze product. They probably mention it because some alternative practitioners believe that chitin is a "fat attractor", a pseudoscientific claim which has never been supported by any evidence or plausible hypothesis. I guess they hope that we will infer by extension that chitin also attracts "toxins" out of the body. Basically the Kinoki foot pads are gauze bandages with vinegar. Vinegar has many folk-wisdom uses when applied topically, such as treating acne, sunburn, warts, dandruff, and as a folk antibiotic. But one should use caution: Vinegar can cause chemical burns on infants, and the American Dietetic Association has tracked cases of home vinegar applications to the foot causing deep skin ulcers after only two hours.

Since the Kinoki foot pads are self-adhesive, peeling them away removes the outermost layer of dead skin cells. And since they are moist, they loosen additional dead cells when left on for a while. So it's a given that the pads will look brown when peeled from your foot, exactly like any adhesive tape would; though this effect is much less dramatic than depicted on the TV commercials, depending on how dirty your feet are. And, as they predict, this color will diminish over subsequent applications, as fewer and fewer of your dead, dirty skin cells remain. There is no magic detoxification needed to explain this effect. (Later news: In fact, Kinoki footpads contain powdered wood vinegar, which always turns brownish black when exposed to moisture, such as sweat. - BD)

Anyone interested in detoxifying their body might think about paying a little more attention to their body and less attention to the people trying to get their money. The body already has nature's most effective detoxification system. It's called the liver. The liver changes the chemical structure of foreign compounds so they can be filtered out of the blood by the kidneys, which then excrete them in the urine. I am left wondering why the alternative practitioners never mention this option to their customers. It's all-natural and proven effective. Is it ironic that the only people who will help you manage this all-natural option are the medical doctors? Certainly your naturopath won't. He wants to sell you some klunky half-legal hardware.

Why is it that so many people are more comfortable self-medicating for conditions that exist only in advertisements, than they are simply taking their doctor's advice? It's because doctors are burdened with the need to actually practice medicine. They won't hide bad news from you or make up easy answers to please you. But that's what people want: The easy answers promised by advertisements and alternative practitioners. They want the fantasy of being in complete personal control of what goes on inside their bodies. A doctor won't lie to you and say that a handful of herbal detoxification pills will cure anything that's wrong with you; but since that's the solution many people want, there's always someone willing to sell it.


http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4083

Well I thought this was very interesting.

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Mon 11/24/08 05:32 PM
I trust some doctors to diagnose conditions to the best of their ability, but I don't necessarily trust them to treat me. The main reason for me is I don't trust the pharmaceutical industry. Of course I don't trust all of these companies that put out products claiming to cure every condition either. Many people make their own diagnosis based on symptoms. Some of them decide from various ads they see that are pushing a product. The product says it's such a easy fix so they buy into it without even researching it. A lot of them think just because the product is being sold it has been proven to work. They also tend to believe it's safe. I saw a special about detox scams recently. Kinoki pads was the main example. Tests showed the pads gave the same results just from being wet as they did when attached to someones feet over night. They are still being sold and they will continue to be because there aren't any regulations against it. Not in the area of detox, but I think diet pills are probably the biggest scam of them all. I have met people that have tried 20 or more different kinds and had no success, yet they still buy the next one that comes out hoping results will be different.
Our bodies do generally detoxify like said. Even if it doesn't there are plenty chelators most of us cook with often. Garlic, coriander, & cilantro are some that have shown much success through several studies. For me if it doesn't come out of the ground I do my best to avoid it.

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Mon 11/24/08 05:57 PM
Yeah, I think that if you're going to claim that you can "detoxify" something, you should be able to at least identify the toxins that are being removed.

On the other hand, I have a very strong aversion to groups that claim they should have exclusive rights to the control of some area of life. This goes equally for labor unions, religious orders, govenrment beauracracies, and scientific and academic organizations.

Although I will admit that labor unions are at least honest about it. They freely admit that their sole purpose is to eliminate competition. :laughing:

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Wed 11/26/08 07:42 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 11/26/08 07:42 AM
I agree about this is regard to anything that makes a claim to benefits regardless of purpose. Define what you are effecting then show how its done, or shutup and quite making **** up.

My not so humble feelings on the matter. drinker

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Wed 11/26/08 10:13 AM
I'm a living testimony to the effectiveness of "Kinoki foot pads"

say what you will but i'venever felt more healthy in my life since i've been using them!!!


since my liver and kidneys were removed last year it was very difficult for me to rid my system of toxic materialsbigsmile , but then i found these pads and it changed my life and gave me a reason to eat and move again!!

i cant say enough about these miracle pads, i think everyone should use them and buy them by the gross!!

Tribo,

C.E.O. of the Kinoki foot pads corporation and founder of the eternal wellness foundation of america.

1.00 off cupon on your first order to all the mingle customers - err.. - i mean friends - tongue2


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Wed 11/26/08 01:08 PM
Tribo - It's good to hear you have your health again. I haven't personally tried the pads so I can't say with certainty they didn't help you...I think it could just be when you buy into the claims that it works, you expect it to work. You used them expecting to feel better in the morning and because you saw the pads turn dark you thought it was them that made you healthier and feel better. I think the mind is the body's most powerful healer....

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Wed 11/26/08 01:29 PM

Tribo - It's good to hear you have your health again. I haven't personally tried the pads so I can't say with certainty they didn't help you...I think it could just be when you buy into the claims that it works, you expect it to work. You used them expecting to feel better in the morning and because you saw the pads turn dark you thought it was them that made you healthier and feel better. I think the mind is the body's most powerful healer....


THAT WAS A SPOOF MY LADY - A CANARD A MISTRUTH, A SARCASM OF THE 3RD KIND, COMEDY RELIEF, A PUN INTENDED, laugh flowerforyou

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Wed 11/26/08 01:41 PM
:smile: I routinely undergo self-audit counseling to clear myself of my body thetans.:smile:

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Wed 11/26/08 01:52 PM


Tribo - It's good to hear you have your health again. I haven't personally tried the pads so I can't say with certainty they didn't help you...I think it could just be when you buy into the claims that it works, you expect it to work. You used them expecting to feel better in the morning and because you saw the pads turn dark you thought it was them that made you healthier and feel better. I think the mind is the body's most powerful healer....


THAT WAS A SPOOF MY LADY - A CANARD A MISTRUTH, A SARCASM OF THE 3RD KIND, COMEDY RELIEF, A PUN INTENDED, laugh flowerforyou

Apparently my mind didn't want to see things that way. oops!! laugh

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Wed 11/26/08 02:09 PM
Edited by tribo on Wed 11/26/08 02:10 PM

:smile: I routinely undergo self-audit counseling to clear myself of my body thetans.:smile:


i had a mild case of body thetans once, i used "kiniko thetan pads" to rid them, just chew 2 pads a day for a week and they will leave your body, no side affects at all - no front or back affects either!!

KINOKO - the brand you can trust for all your thetan reduction needs!! bigsmile

$1.00 off of kinoko thetan pads to all the mingle 2 sucke-- ooops - friends.bigsmile

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Wed 11/26/08 02:10 PM


:smile: I routinely undergo self-audit counseling to clear myself of my body thetans.:smile:


i had a mild case of body thetans once, i used "kiniko thetan pads" to rid them, just chew 2 pads a day for a week and they will leave your body, no side affects at all - no front or back affects either!!

KINOKO - the brand you can trust for all your thetan reduction needs!! bigsmile

$1.00 off of kinoko thetan pads to all the mingle sucke-- ooops - friends.bigsmile
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Wed 11/26/08 02:24 PM
Edited by tribo on Wed 11/26/08 02:25 PM
HOLIDAY science stuff got you feeling exhausted??



try Kinoko Bushi Relief Pads


eat 2 pads upon rising each day with water H2O, hydrogen oxide, and chew throughly. repeat as necessary.

relief will be almost instantaneous, your therums will be forgotten and a mild new age euphoria will envelope your being. you'll feel like - well - you can talk to flowers!! or soar the universes in your new OB state of mind. bigsmile

caution - side affects may be significant - nasuea, vomiting, death. or other mild reactions. the worst being an erection lasting more than 4 hours. scared

please consult a faith healer before using this product, and if erection should last more than several days you may want to seek medical attention from a spiritualist or other emmergy user.

KINOKO - the brand you can trust for all your science reduction needs!!

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Thu 11/27/08 11:13 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 11/27/08 11:18 AM
I rid myself of toxins by taking a bath.:wink: laugh

I have an acquaintance who does those foot baths for people. I think they probably feel good but I don't know if they do any toxin removing other than removing the fuzz between your toes. I've never had one.

Often the charge for these kinds of treatments is a lot less than seeing a doctor for two seconds who often simply prescribes a drug that probably has adverse side effects and then leaves the room.

You pay him from $70.00 to 100.00 just for that. I think that is a rip off.

At least a foot bath feels great and was probably about $30.00.


Parasites:

Parasites live in and on our bodies. I do a parasite cleanse using wormwood and black walnut hull tincture. These kill parasites including germs and viruses and worms. A regular use of these and you will never catch a cold or come down with the flu. My younger sister takes them regularly after she had a large cancer tumor removed from her uterus. She said she never gets sick anymore.

Black walnut hull tincture and green black walnut hull skins rubbed on ring worms will kill them.

Lots of garlic also kills parasites.

Parasites and toxins are the bodies worst enemies.

jb

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Thu 11/27/08 11:44 AM

I rid myself of toxins by taking a bath.:wink: laugh

I have an acquaintance who does those foot baths for people. I think they probably feel good but I don't know if they do any toxin removing other than removing the fuzz between your toes. I've never had one.

Often the charge for these kinds of treatments is a lot less than seeing a doctor for two seconds who often simply prescribes a drug that probably has adverse side effects and then leaves the room.

You pay him from $70.00 to 100.00 just for that. I think that is a rip off.

At least a foot bath feels great and was probably about $30.00.


Parasites:

Parasites live in and on our bodies. I do a parasite cleanse using wormwood and black walnut hull tincture. These kill parasites including germs and viruses and worms. A regular use of these and you will never catch a cold or come down with the flu. My younger sister takes them regularly after she had a large cancer tumor removed from her uterus. She said she never gets sick anymore.

Black walnut hull tincture and green black walnut hull skins rubbed on ring worms will kill them.

Lots of garlic also kills parasites.

Parasites and toxins are the bodies worst enemies.

jb
:smile: Body thetans are spiritual parasites.:smile:

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Thu 11/27/08 11:47 AM
Enlightenment is the permanent detox programme.


bigsmile :angel:



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Thu 11/27/08 01:31 PM

I rid myself of toxins by taking a bath.:wink: laugh

I have an acquaintance who does those foot baths for people. I think they probably feel good but I don't know if they do any toxin removing other than removing the fuzz between your toes. I've never had one.

Often the charge for these kinds of treatments is a lot less than seeing a doctor for two seconds who often simply prescribes a drug that probably has adverse side effects and then leaves the room.

You pay him from $70.00 to 100.00 just for that. I think that is a rip off.

At least a foot bath feels great and was probably about $30.00.


Parasites:

Parasites live in and on our bodies. I do a parasite cleanse using wormwood and black walnut hull tincture. These kill parasites including germs and viruses and worms. A regular use of these and you will never catch a cold or come down with the flu. My younger sister takes them regularly after she had a large cancer tumor removed from her uterus. She said she never gets sick anymore.

Black walnut hull tincture and green black walnut hull skins rubbed on ring worms will kill them.

Lots of garlic also kills parasites.

Parasites and toxins are the bodies worst enemies.

jb


THEN - what you need is "" KINOKO's "" foot bath and parasite pads!!! just apply the foot bath pads daily and use the supplemental foot pad parasite pads internally 2 pads with a glass of hydrogen oxide[water] twice daily. within days your feet and your entire system will be like new!! your breath will be fresh - no more garlic smell,your eyes will glitter and the worms and parsites will wiggle themselves out your butt quicker than you can say awbra cadawbra - pooffff they will be long gone.!!!


KINOKO - the brand you can trust for all your foot bath and parasite needs!!

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$1.00 off of kinoko foot bath and parasite remover pads, to all the mingle sucke-- ooops - friends.
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Thu 11/27/08 01:37 PM

Enlightenment is the permanent detox programme.


bigsmile :angel:





Then let me introduce you to::

""KINOKO enlightenment pads""!!!!!!

2 enlightenment pads at the beginning of every day will give you a god like outlook all day and all night long!!! no longer will you have to live with unlightened thoughts or circumstances in your life!! just leave the enlightenment up to KINOKO's!!


KINOKO - the brand you can trust for all your enlightenment needs!!

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$1.00 off of kinoko enlightenment pads, to all the mingle sucke-- ooops - friends.
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Thu 11/27/08 03:35 PM
Tribo, you are not supposed to use this dating club to advertise your snake oils and foot pads. :angry: huh

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Thu 11/27/08 04:21 PM

Tribo, you are not supposed to use this dating club to advertise your snake oils and foot pads. :angry: huh


Dating site??? how mant dates have you gotten from here??

snake oils?? - howl daryou!!
KINOKO snake oil pads are abcertified by the U.S. AY. O.D.A. [oil and drug administration] to be foowl pruff!!

I am not the owner for KINOKO product just a satisfied customer trying my best to help those less fortunate- [fake tears] - yu troolee hurd my feelers - tears

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Thu 11/27/08 05:53 PM


Tribo, you are not supposed to use this dating club to advertise your snake oils and foot pads. :angry: huh


Dating site??? how mant dates have you gotten from here??




Well, lots. I lost track.:wink:

In fact I've got the men waiting in line outside of my door for dates! Aren't you having any luck? tongue2 :banana: bigsmile


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