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Topic: Christianity is it a religion, a lie, or simply the truth?
iamgeorgiagirl's photo
Sat 01/17/09 05:54 PM
Just curious...

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Sat 01/17/09 06:00 PM
Well it is a "religion" founded by men of Rome, based on scripture written by men and taught and believed on faith and it cannot be proven or verified.



iamgeorgiagirl's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:03 PM

Well it is a "religion" founded by men of Rome, based on scripture written by men and taught and believed on faith and it cannot be proven or verified.



That is true

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Sat 01/17/09 06:04 PM

Well it is a "religion" founded by men of Rome, based on scripture written by men and taught and believed on faith and it cannot be proven or verified.



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Nubby's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:07 PM
Edited by Nubby on Sat 01/17/09 06:08 PM

Well it is a "religion" founded by men of Rome, based on scripture written by men and taught and believed on faith and it cannot be proven or verified.






No, the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Christ were all empirically verifiable.

Consider Pauls words.

1 Cor 15:3-6 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep

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Sat 01/17/09 06:08 PM


Well it is a "religion" founded by men of Rome, based on scripture written by men and taught and believed on faith and it cannot be proven or verified.



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What up?

Abracadabra's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:15 PM
Soap operas make more sense.

iamgeorgiagirl's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:18 PM


Well it is a "religion" founded by men of Rome, based on scripture written by men and taught and believed on faith and it cannot be proven or verified.






No, the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Christ were all empirically verifiable.

Consider Pauls words.

1 Cor 15:3-6 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep

Hi Nubby,
I had to leave for a minute

iamgeorgiagirl's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:19 PM

Soap operas make more sense.


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Nubby's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:20 PM
Good, how are you.

iamgeorgiagirl's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:23 PM

Good, how are you.

I'm great and you?

I like you

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iamgeorgiagirl's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:27 PM
1 Peter 3:15 (New International Version)

15But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.



Seamonster's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:43 PM
Edited by Seamonster on Sat 01/17/09 06:44 PM


Well it is a "religion" founded by men of Rome, based on scripture written by men and taught and believed on faith and it cannot be proven or verified.






No, the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Christ were all empirically verifiable.

Consider Pauls words.

1 Cor 15:3-6 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep



Not true.

show me the "proof" of this resurrection.
If there was proof then we would not be haveing this discusion.

There is none.


Nubby's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:50 PM
Ill start here.

According to Luke Johnson, a New Testament scholar at Emory University,

Even the most critical historian can confidently assert that a Jew named Jesus worked as a teacher and wonder-worker in Palestine during the reign of Tiberius, was executed by crucifixion under the prefect Pontius Pilate and continued to have followers after his death.{1}

Seamonster's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:54 PM
Not true.

there is evidence that Jesus never existed and you can use the bible to show that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2UJxPECNdU



Nubby's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:55 PM
"The historical facts concerning the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. The historical person Jesus of Nazareth was a remarkable individual. New Testament critics have reached something of a consensus that the historical Jesus came on the scene with an unprecedented sense of divine authority, the authority to stand and speak in God's place. He claimed that in himself the Kingdom of God had come, and as visible demonstrations of this fact he carried out a ministry of miracles and exorcisms. But the supreme confirmation of his claim was his resurrection from the dead. If Jesus did rise from the dead, then it would seem that we have a divine miracle on our hands and, thus, evidence for the existence of God.

Now most people would probably think that the resurrection of Jesus is something you just accept on faith or not. But there are actually three established facts, recognized by the majority of New Testament historians today, which I believe are best explained by the resurrection of Jesus.

Fact #1: On the Sunday following his crucifixion, Jesus' tomb was found empty by a group of his women followers. According to Jacob Kremer, an Austrian scholar who has specialized in the study of the resurrection, "By far most scholars hold firmly to the reliability of the biblical statements about the empty tomb."{13} According to D. H. Van Daalen, it is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions.{14}

Fact #2: On separate occasions different individuals and groups saw appearances of Jesus alive after his death. According to the prominent New Testament critic of Vanderbilt University Gerd Lüdemann, "It may be taken as historically certain that . . . the disciples had experiences after Jesus' death in which Jesus appeared to them as the Risen Christ.{15} These appearances were witnessed not only by believers, but also by unbelievers, skeptics, and even enemies.

Fact #3: The original disciples suddenly came to believe in the resurrection of Jesus despite having every predisposition to the contrary. Jews had no belief in a dying, much less rising, Messiah, and Jewish beliefs about the afterlife precluded anyone's rising from the dead before the end of the world. Nevertheless, the original disciples came to believe so strongly that God had raised Jesus from the dead that they were willing to die for the truth of that belief. Luke Johnson, a New Testament scholar from Emory University, muses, "Some sort of powerful, transformative experience is required to generate the sort of movement earliest Christianity was . . . ."{16} N. T. Wright, an eminent British scholar, concludes, "That is why, as a historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus rose again, leaving an empty tomb behind him."{17}

Attempts to explain away these three great facts--like the disciples stole the body or Jesus wasn't really dead--have been universally rejected by contemporary scholarship. The simple fact is that there just is no plausible, naturalistic explanation of these facts. Therefore, it seems to me, the Christian is amply justified in believing that Jesus rose from the dead and was who he claimed to be. But that entails that God exists."

Nubby's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:57 PM

Not true.

there is evidence that Jesus never existed and you can use the bible to show that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2UJxPECNdU





I dont know of any scholar liberal or conservative who would agree with that, and if they do, they are in a very small minority.

Seamonster's photo
Sat 01/17/09 06:58 PM
you obviously did not watch the video.

The time lines do not add up.

Plus there is absolutly zero evidence of a reserrection.

Nubby's photo
Sat 01/17/09 07:04 PM
Edited by Nubby on Sat 01/17/09 07:13 PM
I am not trying to be mean seamonster, but that man is not a scholar, I do not know of any scholar or theologian that would agree with Him. Even if the time lines did not add up, although they do, it still does not disprove the ressurection.

Nubby's photo
Sat 01/17/09 07:04 PM
Read my 4 facts

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