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Britty's photo
Tue 01/27/09 06:53 PM

I found this to be interesting, concerning this topic.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15663_10-things-christians-atheists-can-must-agree-on.html


I almost posted it in a GRF, but decided to first try and get fellow Christian's feedback first...


Blessings to allflowerforyou


It was interesting, elucidated well with a touch of humor.


Markum1972's photo
Fri 01/30/09 12:33 PM
Edited by Markum1972 on Fri 01/30/09 12:35 PM

Atheists?


The general religion forums on this site seem to me to be monopolized by folks who seem bent on bashing Christians in particular for their faith.

To me it seems like these people have not only hardened their hearts but have also taken it on as their life mission to attempt to ridicule our faith in every way possible.


Is it worth it to even engage in dialog with these folks?



"Father forgive them for the KNOW NOT what they do."

Matthew 13:20-21
KJV
"But he that received the seed in stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and immediately with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for awhile for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, immediately he is offended."

Nowhere have I found an example of Jesus going into a debate or argument with anyone. Although I have seen him become indignant... and yet with love.

An important thing that I have constantly reminded myself over and over is that Jesus never chased after people trying to convince them of anything. He was rooted in Himself and they came to Him and followed. Should we not be doing the same?


AllenAqua's photo
Fri 01/30/09 02:59 PM


Atheists?


The general religion forums on this site seem to me to be monopolized by folks who seem bent on bashing Christians in particular for their faith.

To me it seems like these people have not only hardened their hearts but have also taken it on as their life mission to attempt to ridicule our faith in every way possible.


Is it worth it to even engage in dialog with these folks?



"Father forgive them for the KNOW NOT what they do."

Matthew 13:20-21
KJV
"But he that received the seed in stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and immediately with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for awhile for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, immediately he is offended."

Nowhere have I found an example of Jesus going into a debate or argument with anyone. Although I have seen him become indignant... and yet with love.

An important thing that I have constantly reminded myself over and over is that Jesus never chased after people trying to convince them of anything. He was rooted in Himself and they came to Him and followed. Should we not be doing the same?



Hi Markum

Yes we should...I agree 100%

My lack of total understanding, well... naivity really, is probably due to so little exposure to non-believers in my life.
It wasn't until I joined this site and began to participate in the forums that I was ever even around anyone who voiced such disdain towards my faith.
At first, I took it as very rude, if not outright, antagonistic but thanks to some prayer, some reflection, as well as specific bible study, I began to comprehend what you and other Christians gracious enough to counsel me already know.
I came from a country family and my dad would have said "Them's fightin words", so that was my reaction too. I now understand how it's not what Jesus would do.

Thanks so much.

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Fri 01/30/09 03:31 PM






I do wish Mingle2 would reclassify them as the "agnostistic, atheiestic and those that are otherwise against Christianity thread"


rofl rofl rofl

laugh That is a mouthful ! laugh

Hi Allenflowerforyou

A note of encouragement:

You said something a while back that I will never forget in the Gen. Rel. Forums. You said that more things unite us as humans than separate us. That is a huge statement! I have meditated on that many times since you wrote that and it has helped me in my ‘love walk’. That helped me, I wonder how many others? Thank you.




Hi Lauraflowerforyou

Thanks so much for the encouragement and I pray that you're doing well.:smile:

I believe that even since I was a small child, God has blessed me with the gift of introspection.

I remember watching the moonshot on tv then and was facinated with the astronauts, like most kids back then. I remember like it was yesterday how they'd always speak of looking back at the earth from space and having a deeply, almost spiritual realization that there were no visable borders and how the earth was so beautiful, contrasted against the void and lifelessness of space.

I remember thinking to myself at the time and considering these big adult questions about how we are all, everyone one of us, sharing the common experience of human life that's so precious and fragile, yet so seemingly expendable.
flowerforyou

The Viet Nam war was in full swing and it was broadcast nightly on the news in sound bites that didn't fully edit out the horror or the reality of what was happening.
I had an uncle fighting there and he would write letters home that my Mom wouldn't read to us but it was apparent that they disturbed her deeply.

The folks who lived next door to us also had a son serving there and around 1968 he married and then brought home a young Viet Namese lady who had three very small Viet Namese children. The oldest being a girl just a couple of years younger than I was then.
Of course we neighborhood kids were curious about them but they didn't come outside very often. We lived next door to them for about two years and eventually, my mom befriended the young officer's wife and would visit her on occasion.
This is how I learned of her and her childrens tragic plight in the war. They were all very traumatized by their experiences. They had all lived a daily nightmare beyond anything most adult Americans could understand, let alone us kids.
They didn't come outside because they were literally scared to death of anything and everything.
My mom finally earned her trust and she accepted an invitation to attend Church with us. Afterwards, even though she was a Catholic, she became a member and that's when we learned the whole story about them through our Pastor.

I guess what I'm saying is that even though we can seem as different as night and day, this is an illusion because we all feel the same emotions, and we all have an instinct for God and we all want to feel safe. This is something I realized at 11 years of age.
Since that time, I've only come to realize this truth more and more.

I believe that most mental illness can be attributed to an unwillingness to accept the responsibilities of love.
I believe the author of lies has a tight grip over those that he tricks into believing that there is no Creator,as well as his other well known lies. I have to think that this is mental illness when carried to the extremes of atheism.

Even though the atheists frustrate us, we need to still be responsible in our capacity to show Christ's love. I'm speaking mostly to myself here but if other Christians can relate to this frustration, maybe they'll be comforted in this testimony also.

I do believe we're all God's children, and keeping that belief out in front I just have to lay it down to our Lord to intercede in their lives and bring the lost sheep home.



Hi Allen and Everyone !flowerforyou

Wow, I really enjoyed reading this. The gift of introspection, empathy, and compassion are great virtues… especially at such a young age.

The atrocities experienced by the Vietnamese were horrible…I can only imagine. I was not alive at the time, but my Father fought and received 3 purple hearts before being sent home. Your mother must have been a special lady to have reached out to a neighbor like that, especially one where there would have been cultural barriers given the time period and the war.

I guess what I'm saying is that even though we can seem as different as night and day, this is an illusion because we all feel the same emotions, and we all have an instinct for God and we all want to feel safe. This is something I realized at 11 years of age.
Since that time, I've only come to realize this truth more and more.


This is so true. Everyone is a child of God and God has known each one since before the foundation of the world. Not one person is an accident. (Psalm 139 is one of my favorite psalms.) Everyone has a conscience and knows the difference between good and evil, right and wrong. It takes hardness of heart and conscience searing until disagreeable behavior has no effect on a person any longer. Everyone knows how to pray. It is a basic intuition that comes from deep within. Some yield easily and naturally, others grow up and say it is ridiculous. When going through excruciating circumstances or something inexplicable and one cannot figure a way out through all deductive reasoning, humility and divine intervention do not seem so unreasonable.

I remember that I once considered myself a Christian because I had been brought up in a home that went to church a few times a year. I was sprinkle baptized and went through confirmation. I was not born again but I still prayed and would act very religious around people. I know that God heard me, loved me and answered prayer even back then because of His unfailing love, grace and mercy. It wasn’t until I felt completely helpless and hopeless while going through a terrible trail that I called out to God and surrendered my life to Him. (I was like a Cornelius in Acts 10 – agreeing with Christians, praying and doing good deeds but had not heard the Good News of Jesus Christ and made Him Lord in my life yet.) Yet, looking back I can remember God putting people in my path that shared Christ’s love with kindness and compassion, or that just lived the life for all to see. I can see the way He divinely orchestrated meetings with certain people and events in my life that led me to Him and I am so thankful for each one that was willing to step out of their comfort zones and reach out in their own way even though I vehemently believed I already knew Him. For this reason I have a desire to reach out to others.

I know that He has a good plan for each one of our lives, plans to prosper us and not to harm us, to give us a hope and a future (Jeremiah 29:11). He has a plan for each one of our future brothers and sisters in Christ as well because His Word says that He is not willing that any should perish but that all should come unto repentance…and He goes on to say that in verse 12 “Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. 14 I will be found by you," declares the LORD, "and will bring you back from captivity.” This is a great promise and scripture I like to pray over others as well as Luke 15:7 - … there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent. He is the one that draws them, but He uses us – His earthen vessels if we are but willing to follow His leading…

flowerforyou :heart: flowerforyou



Amen Laura, I can really relate to what you said about Cornelius and Acts 10.

My story's similar as Mom took us to church but I didn't really get it. It just seemed a little like school with parents, deacons and pastors instead of teachers & principles.

I never disbelieved but I didn't really "get it" either...
It wasn't until I was in my mid 20's that I met some Christians who were not only young like me, at the time, but they were also fun, free spirited, non-judgemental, and really having an amazing love affair with the Lord.
I was really impressed by that because they were so free and at ease with everything, without drugs, without alcohol, without anything but just being on fire with the Holy Spirit.
It left an impression but still, I didn't fully recognize that I could have that too... the "on fire" part...I knew I was saved and that God loved me but I hadn't recieved the Holy Spirit yet.
That happened for the first time, oddly enough, when my car broke down on the way home from work one day about ten years later. I was hitch hiking to a gas station and was picked up by a Christian who was in work cloths like me, but he was also a deacon at his church.
In the car, while he was driving he asked me if I was saved. I said "yes" and aswe talked he witnessed to me about the Holy Spirit. As I was listening to him it just welled up in me...at first, only a little. As we rode and I was trying to figure out what I was feeling, it became stonger and stronger until I welled up with tears and began choking up. I knew it wasn't just happiness, or just emotion, it was something like those feelings but much much more. (I'm welling up just telling you about it now)

Anyways... It was an unforgetable experience, to say the least. As my life progressed I had occasional visits, but didn't really understand how I could invite God's Spirit anytime I wanted to..
Now...all this time later, and really relatively recently, I've come to understand how it's a gift that I can rely on and call to help me strengthen my faith and walk with Jesus in real time.

What an amazing grace... What an awesome God...what a friend we have in Jesus...


(I'm not crying, I'm just being completely loved)

Awesome...

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Fri 01/30/09 10:05 PM







I do wish Mingle2 would reclassify them as the "agnostistic, atheiestic and those that are otherwise against Christianity thread"


rofl rofl rofl

laugh That is a mouthful ! laugh

Hi Allenflowerforyou

A note of encouragement:

You said something a while back that I will never forget in the Gen. Rel. Forums. You said that more things unite us as humans than separate us. That is a huge statement! I have meditated on that many times since you wrote that and it has helped me in my ‘love walk’. That helped me, I wonder how many others? Thank you.




Hi Lauraflowerforyou

Thanks so much for the encouragement and I pray that you're doing well.:smile:

I believe that even since I was a small child, God has blessed me with the gift of introspection.

I remember watching the moonshot on tv then and was facinated with the astronauts, like most kids back then. I remember like it was yesterday how they'd always speak of looking back at the earth from space and having a deeply, almost spiritual realization that there were no visable borders and how the earth was so beautiful, contrasted against the void and lifelessness of space.

I remember thinking to myself at the time and considering these big adult questions about how we are all, everyone one of us, sharing the common experience of human life that's so precious and fragile, yet so seemingly expendable.
flowerforyou

The Viet Nam war was in full swing and it was broadcast nightly on the news in sound bites that didn't fully edit out the horror or the reality of what was happening.
I had an uncle fighting there and he would write letters home that my Mom wouldn't read to us but it was apparent that they disturbed her deeply.

The folks who lived next door to us also had a son serving there and around 1968 he married and then brought home a young Viet Namese lady who had three very small Viet Namese children. The oldest being a girl just a couple of years younger than I was then.
Of course we neighborhood kids were curious about them but they didn't come outside very often. We lived next door to them for about two years and eventually, my mom befriended the young officer's wife and would visit her on occasion.
This is how I learned of her and her childrens tragic plight in the war. They were all very traumatized by their experiences. They had all lived a daily nightmare beyond anything most adult Americans could understand, let alone us kids.
They didn't come outside because they were literally scared to death of anything and everything.
My mom finally earned her trust and she accepted an invitation to attend Church with us. Afterwards, even though she was a Catholic, she became a member and that's when we learned the whole story about them through our Pastor.

I guess what I'm saying is that even though we can seem as different as night and day, this is an illusion because we all feel the same emotions, and we all have an instinct for God and we all want to feel safe. This is something I realized at 11 years of age.
Since that time, I've only come to realize this truth more and more.

I believe that most mental illness can be attributed to an unwillingness to accept the responsibilities of love.
I believe the author of lies has a tight grip over those that he tricks into believing that there is no Creator,as well as his other well known lies. I have to think that this is mental illness when carried to the extremes of atheism.

Even though the atheists frustrate us, we need to still be responsible in our capacity to show Christ's love. I'm speaking mostly to myself here but if other Christians can relate to this frustration, maybe they'll be comforted in this testimony also.

I do believe we're all God's children, and keeping that belief out in front I just have to lay it down to our Lord to intercede in their lives and bring the lost sheep home.



Hi Allen and Everyone !flowerforyou

Wow, I really enjoyed reading this. The gift of introspection, empathy, and compassion are great virtues… especially at such a young age.

The atrocities experienced by the Vietnamese were horrible…I can only imagine. I was not alive at the time, but my Father fought and received 3 purple hearts before being sent home. Your mother must have been a special lady to have reached out to a neighbor like that, especially one where there would have been cultural barriers given the time period and the war.

I guess what I'm saying is that even though we can seem as different as night and day, this is an illusion because we all feel the same emotions, and we all have an instinct for God and we all want to feel safe. This is something I realized at 11 years of age.
Since that time, I've only come to realize this truth more and more.


This is so true. Everyone is a child of God and God has known each one since before the foundation of the world. Not one person is an accident. (Psalm 139 is one of my favorite psalms.) Everyone has a conscience and knows the difference between good and evil, right and wrong. It takes hardness of heart and conscience searing until disagreeable behavior has no effect on a person any longer. Everyone knows how to pray. It is a basic intuition that comes from deep within. Some yield easily and naturally, others grow up and say it is ridiculous. When going through excruciating circumstances or something inexplicable and one cannot figure a way out through all deductive reasoning, humility and divine intervention do not seem so unreasonable.

I remember that I once considered myself a Christian because I had been brought up in a home that went to church a few times a year. I was sprinkle baptized and went through confirmation. I was not born again but I still prayed and would act very religious around people. I know that God heard me, loved me and answered prayer even back then because of His unfailing love, grace and mercy. It wasn’t until I felt completely helpless and hopeless while going through a terrible trail that I called out to God and surrendered my life to Him. (I was like a Cornelius in Acts 10 – agreeing with Christians, praying and doing good deeds but had not heard the Good News of Jesus Christ and made Him Lord in my life yet.) Yet, looking back I can remember God putting people in my path that shared Christ’s love with kindness and compassion, or that just lived the life for all to see. I can see the way He divinely orchestrated meetings with certain people and events in my life that led me to Him and I am so thankful for each one that was willing to step out of their comfort zones and reach out in their own way even though I vehemently believed I already knew Him. For this reason I have a desire to reach out to others.

I know that He has a good plan for each one of our lives, plans to prosper us and not to harm us, to give us a hope and a future (Jeremiah 29:11). He has a plan for each one of our future brothers and sisters in Christ as well because His Word says that He is not willing that any should perish but that all should come unto repentance…and He goes on to say that in verse 12 “Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. 14 I will be found by you," declares the LORD, "and will bring you back from captivity.” This is a great promise and scripture I like to pray over others as well as Luke 15:7 - … there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent. He is the one that draws them, but He uses us – His earthen vessels if we are but willing to follow His leading…

flowerforyou :heart: flowerforyou



Amen Laura, I can really relate to what you said about Cornelius and Acts 10.

My story's similar as Mom took us to church but I didn't really get it. It just seemed a little like school with parents, deacons and pastors instead of teachers & principles.

I never disbelieved but I didn't really "get it" either...
It wasn't until I was in my mid 20's that I met some Christians who were not only young like me, at the time, but they were also fun, free spirited, non-judgemental, and really having an amazing love affair with the Lord.
I was really impressed by that because they were so free and at ease with everything, without drugs, without alcohol, without anything but just being on fire with the Holy Spirit.
It left an impression but still, I didn't fully recognize that I could have that too... the "on fire" part...I knew I was saved and that God loved me but I hadn't recieved the Holy Spirit yet.
That happened for the first time, oddly enough, when my car broke down on the way home from work one day about ten years later. I was hitch hiking to a gas station and was picked up by a Christian who was in work cloths like me, but he was also a deacon at his church.
In the car, while he was driving he asked me if I was saved. I said "yes" and aswe talked he witnessed to me about the Holy Spirit. As I was listening to him it just welled up in me...at first, only a little. As we rode and I was trying to figure out what I was feeling, it became stonger and stronger until I welled up with tears and began choking up. I knew it wasn't just happiness, or just emotion, it was something like those feelings but much much more. (I'm welling up just telling you about it now)

Anyways... It was an unforgetable experience, to say the least. As my life progressed I had occasional visits, but didn't really understand how I could invite God's Spirit anytime I wanted to..
Now...all this time later, and really relatively recently, I've come to understand how it's a gift that I can rely on and call to help me strengthen my faith and walk with Jesus in real time.

What an amazing grace... What an awesome God...what a friend we have in Jesus...


(I'm not crying, I'm just being completely loved)

Awesome...


Hi Allenflowerforyou

God is an awesome God! I like your testimony; very similar to mine but I left quite a bit out =)

All of those events that you mention sound like divine appointments to me, even your car breaking down. I mean what greater gift is there after giving your life to Jesus than getting filled with the Holy Spirit. He is called our comforter and counselor. He leads and guides us into all truth. And He gives us power from on high to be His witnesses and teaches us all things. He strengthens us in our inner being and helps us to grasp how high and wide and long and deep is the love of Christ and to know His love that surpasses all knowledge, that we can be filled to the full measure, or the fullness of God. He builds us up and strengthens us. And I am so glad that you have come to realize that this is not a one time or occasional experience, but it can be experienced anytime. It took me a long time to figure that out too because I didn’t have anyone to teach me and it wasn’t taught at the church I was attending at the time.

Allen, I read your post in the Jesus Freak thread. BTW…I’m an unashamed Jesus Freak too! I admire your extreme faith ! I hope you don’t mind me quoting you but you’ve done it again…huge statements to meditate on…

My problems are nothing. They only exist in this world. Amen

My Lord and Saviour abides in me and he's promised me personally through his word and Spirit that I shall not want, and that if he is with me, no one can be against me.

I'm praying for this man's soul. I'm praying that God turns my regret into wisdom and my confusion into compassion.

I'm having extreme faith that my prayers will be answered.

I didn't die on the cross, I'm not Job...I have no problems... just faith...

I thank the Lord Jesus and bless his precious Holy name for all his many glorious blessings, past, present and future.flowerforyou :heart: flowerforyou

-AllenAqua


I am in complete agreement with a BIG AMEN !!


Isaiah 43:1-3 (New Living Translation)

1 …“Do not be afraid, for I have ransomed you.
I have called you by name; you are mine.
2 When you go through deep waters,
I will be with you.
When you go through rivers of difficulty,
you will not drown.
When you walk through the fire of oppression,
you will not be burned up;
the flames will not consume you.
3 For I am the LORD, your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Savior…


flowerforyou :heart: flowerforyou

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Tue 02/03/09 05:47 AM
oops


On Mon. 01/26/09 @ 09:30PM, I made a mistake. I need to apologize and clarify something that I had said.

‘Everyone is a child of God’

is NOT a correct statement. Here is what I should of said:

We are all created by God and God has known each one since before the foundation of the world.

Not one person is an accident. He has a purpose for each person but the only way ones true purpose can be fulfilled is through Christ and surrendering our life to Him.

I am sorry about that. I did not intend to mislead anyone. In my own mind I look at each person as a child of God because they were created by Him (this helps me to have love and compassion and a desire to reach out to each person God puts in my path), but they are not true children until they accept Jesus. God does not want any to perish, but man does have a free will and unfortunately there are those that will reject the truth.

John 1:12-13 (New International Version)
12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[a] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

Ephesians 2:11-13 (New International Version)
11Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called "uncircumcised" by those who call themselves "the circumcision" (that done in the body by the hands of men)— 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

1 John 5:18-20 (New International Version)
18We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him. 19We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. 20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Let me clearly state that we are not children of God until we accept Jesus into our hearts.

flowerforyou :heart: flowerforyou

AllenAqua's photo
Tue 02/03/09 04:00 PM

oops


On Mon. 01/26/09 @ 09:30PM, I made a mistake. I need to apologize and clarify something that I had said.

‘Everyone is a child of God’

is NOT a correct statement. Here is what I should of said:

We are all created by God and God has known each one since before the foundation of the world.

Not one person is an accident. He has a purpose for each person but the only way ones true purpose can be fulfilled is through Christ and surrendering our life to Him.

I am sorry about that. I did not intend to mislead anyone. In my own mind I look at each person as a child of God because they were created by Him (this helps me to have love and compassion and a desire to reach out to each person God puts in my path), but they are not true children until they accept Jesus. God does not want any to perish, but man does have a free will and unfortunately there are those that will reject the truth.

John 1:12-13 (New International Version)
12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[a] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

Ephesians 2:11-13 (New International Version)
11Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called "uncircumcised" by those who call themselves "the circumcision" (that done in the body by the hands of men)— 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

1 John 5:18-20 (New International Version)
18We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him. 19We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. 20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Let me clearly state that we are not children of God until we accept Jesus into our hearts.

flowerforyou :heart: flowerforyou




I've been guilty of that too then Miss Laura. I also want to apologize.

Thank you for showing me the truth.flowerforyou :heart: flowerforyou

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Tue 02/03/09 05:50 PM

Very well and clearly put Laura.



The beauty of a woman (by georgy)

The beauty of a woman
Is not in the clothes she wears,
The figure that she carries,
Or the way she combs her hair.

The beauty of a woman must be seen from in her eyes,
Because that is the doorway to her heart,
The place where love resides.
The beauty of a woman is not in a facial mole
But true beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul.

It is the caring that she lovingly gives,
The passion that she shows,
And the beauty of a woman
With passing years only grows!




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Wed 02/04/09 04:57 PM
As for the original question in this thread, should we converse with the 'die-hard' atheists (among other beliefs)...was that not part of the great Comission given to the apostles? to spread the Word throughout ALL the lands? just my thoughts...

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Wed 02/04/09 05:18 PM

As for the original question in this thread, should we converse with the 'die-hard' atheists (among other beliefs)...was that not part of the great Comission given to the apostles? to spread the Word throughout ALL the lands? just my thoughts...



I should have posted that original question as "Should I engage in debate", instead of "we"...

What I've learned since I started it, from bible study and from discussing it with other Christians in this forum who were gracious enough to help me understand, is that as far as myself goes, no... I should not be at this time. For others though, who are more studied and learned than I, you're right. Just not for me because I realized that I was only actually giving the atheists/agnostics, an excuse to attack and insult our (my) faith...
So now I do read the general religion forums, but I don't chime in anymore.
Much better for me to work on removing the log in my own eye before attempting to remove the motes in others...

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Fri 02/06/09 02:49 PM

I found this to be interesting, concerning this topic.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15663_10-things-christians-atheists-can-must-agree-on.html


I almost posted it in a GRF, but decided to first try and get fellow Christian's feedback first...


Blessings to allflowerforyou


I just read this. It's great! Go for it.

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Fri 02/06/09 04:46 PM
I agree with you, Allen. The verse about confessing your sins one to another has helped me just this last week. My charge nurse pointed out something that I had missed this last week. But she was tactful this time. She said, "I am not trying to get onto you but just trying to help." We had came to an agreement in our venting with another that we are both defensive and don't take criticism very well - constructive or destructive. I am sure it has something to do with that we are both intelligent people and have big egos to pacify. laugh She pointed out that like her pointing out my mistake that I should have pointed out something that she missed as well. It reminds me of the scripture; "The word quickens but the spirit makes alive." Also the scripture of, "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." There are times I have to desensitize and I can become to sensitive or what others may refer to as being touchy. It is the job that I do with working with the public. At one time I discovered that I had to quit knocking the establishment because I was part of the establishment. As my ex used to say, "I bring it on myself and have no one to blame but myself.laugh

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Sat 02/07/09 05:36 AM
Edited by AllenAqua on Sat 02/07/09 06:06 AM


I found this to be interesting, concerning this topic.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15663_10-things-christians-atheists-can-must-agree-on.html


I almost posted it in a GRF, but decided to first try and get fellow Christian's feedback first...


Blessings to allflowerforyou


I just read this. It's great! Go for it.


Hi Elijay,

You know, I'm not certain that I want to be envolved in the gfr's anymore...
Those folks have left me feeling like I'd rather just not talk to them at all, with their negativity and insults.

Maybe someday, when I'm better prepared...

You're very welcome to post it there though, if you like...


Blessings

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