Topic: Interesting!!!
Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/04/09 09:54 PM
In the meantime, Canada will be more than willing to make money anyway they can. They arent about to give up the money made selling American utility companies power.

Start your own stimulus plan and quit relying on Americans.
Its our tax money that's going into this and I dont expect it to be spent in Canada, Mexico, or anywhere else.

Spend your tax money for your own stimulus.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/04/09 09:57 PM


Evidently you haven't noticed.
Bush is gone, and part of Obama's plan is to build a long needed modern electrical grid for the NE US..


With Hydro-Quebec technology since Hydro-Quebec is world leader in the field.laugh laugh laugh laugh


This is a joke right.
We have a big country and very little of it uses hydro Quebec.
Most of the country doesnt even know who they are.
We have more people in two cities than Canada has in the entire country.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/04/09 10:00 PM

Maybe Karma, Canadian tax-payers should get their government to spend their money on their own stimulus plan.

Why should our taxes be used to create Canadian jobs?

Why should American tax-payers be asked to save the economies of two, three, or even four Countries?



Besides which it's not your taxes being used to create Canadian jobs. The steel is bought by Canadian companies and made into finished product with the finished product sold to American construction industry. Where is your tax money in there?



the finished product sold to American construction industry.
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

karmafury's photo
Wed 02/04/09 10:01 PM

In the meantime, Canada will be more than willing to make money anyway they can. They arent about to give up the money made selling American utility companies power.

Start your own stimulus plan and quit relying on Americans.
Its our tax money that's going into this and I dont expect it to be spent in Canada, Mexico, or anywhere else.

Spend your tax money for your own stimulus.


Uh, our companies haven't asked for bailouts, our banks haven't asked for bailouts.

Again the steel is BOUGHT by Canadian companies. You aren't giving it to them.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/04/09 10:04 PM
Do you think we dont see the news.
Canada is hurting just as much as anyone.

We watch. We just dont worry about what happens everywhere like everyone worries about what happens here.
Why? Because we dont need everyone like everyone needs us..

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/04/09 10:08 PM


In the meantime, Canada will be more than willing to make money anyway they can. They arent about to give up the money made selling American utility companies power.

Start your own stimulus plan and quit relying on Americans.
Its our tax money that's going into this and I dont expect it to be spent in Canada, Mexico, or anywhere else.

Spend your tax money for your own stimulus.


Uh, our companies haven't asked for bailouts, our banks haven't asked for bailouts.

Again the steel is BOUGHT by Canadian companies. You aren't giving it to them.


The American jobs to produce the finished product are lost, and as you said,

"the finished product sold to American construction industry."

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/04/09 10:16 PM
We just had a Canadian Petro Co. order $8 million on switchgear.
After we built it they kept stalling on payment.
Finally last month they admitted they couldn't get the money.
Now we are stuck with an $8 million dollar order sucking up space on our floor.
Dont tell me Canada isnt hurting...

karmafury's photo
Wed 02/04/09 10:17 PM



In the meantime, Canada will be more than willing to make money anyway they can. They arent about to give up the money made selling American utility companies power.

Start your own stimulus plan and quit relying on Americans.
Its our tax money that's going into this and I dont expect it to be spent in Canada, Mexico, or anywhere else.

Spend your tax money for your own stimulus.


Uh, our companies haven't asked for bailouts, our banks haven't asked for bailouts.

Again the steel is BOUGHT by Canadian companies. You aren't giving it to them.


The American jobs to produce the finished product are lost, and as you said,

"the finished product sold to American construction industry."




With the wages that the unions demand there the cost of the finished product will increase meaning the construction industry has to pay more so projects cost more and the taxpayer is caught with the bill. What were you saying about tax money? Like paying more do you? The more things cost to produce the more the cost is passed on to consumer.

karmafury's photo
Wed 02/04/09 10:19 PM

We just had a Canadian Petro Co. order $8 million on switchgear.
After we built it they kept stalling on payment.
Finally last month they admitted they couldn't get the money.
Now we are stuck with an $8 million dollar order sucking up space on our floor.
Dont tell me Canada isnt hurting...



I didn't say that we weren't hurting. I stated that our companies aren't asking taxpayers to pay for them.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/04/09 10:20 PM
Canadian parliament passes economic stimulus plan


AFP, OTTAWA
Thursday, Feb 05, 2009, Page 10
Canada’s parliament on Tuesday approved a C$40 billion (US$32 billion), two-year economic stimulus plan, assuring the survival of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s minority Conservative government.

The measures were supported by 211 of 308 parliamentarians in a budget vote, with the main opposition Liberals propping up the ruling Conservatives in order to avoid a fourth snap election in five years.

The leftist New Democrats, separatist Bloc Quebecois and six rogue Liberal MPs opposed the budget.

The result was expected. Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff announced his intentions last week after the budget was unveiled, knowing his party is ill-prepared to fight an election Canadians do not want during an economic crisis.

But it is less clear — as economists forecast a sharper downturn than the government hopes and the Liberals offered only grudging support for the plan, — if the stimulus will be enough to pull Canada’s economy out of recession.

Canadians, meanwhile, are left wondering if the cost of political stability — Canada’s first budget deficit in 11 years — is worth it.

The stimulus amounts to a 1.9 percent boost in economic activity this year and 1.4 percent next year.

The plan includes C$20 billion in personal tax relief over five years, aid for sectors in peril and the largest infrastructure spending in the nation’s history.

But it will result in a C$1.1 billion budget deficit for the fiscal year ending next month and a C$64 billion budget deficit over the next two fiscal years, the government said.

Canada is not expected to see another surplus until 2014. Its last deficit, in 1996, was C$8.9 billion.

While in a better position relative to its G7 peers, Canada, a major exporter, had not escaped the downturn.

More than 100,000 jobs were lost in the past two months and the economy is forecast by the finance department to decline by 0.8 percent this year.

Canada is now the last of the G7 industrialized nations to roll out a stimulus plan to help turn around a global recession.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/worldbiz/archives/2009/02/05/2003435299

Me thinks you live in a dream world....

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/04/09 10:22 PM
Canada’s parliament on Tuesday approved a C$40 billion (US$32 billion),

Looky there,,
It takes $40 billion Canadian dollars to equal $32 billion US dollars, and we are broke.

I would laugh but none of this is funny...

AndyBgood's photo
Wed 02/04/09 10:34 PM
America's infrastructure as a whole needs serious modernization! Japan got a boon after WWII when their industry was wholly rebuilt. Their manufacturing capabilities are far better than ours.

Also to answer a previous post,
Granite City Steel was not the only steel industry in the US.
Detroit, and Pennsylvania bit it royal.

Now for the auto industry.
When a clown without a HS diploma can make 90 an hour trurning screws and get a hoard of benies while I am college educated and fight to make 50 an hour self employed without any benies.

What is wrong with this picture? Now lets get real. Do you have a clue what a Union Crane operator makes in the Longshoreman's union? There is a point where unions over step their power.

Most of the shipyards in the US have closed down save a scant few. America used to build ships, now the Koreans are the dominate ship builders. Why? Unions and Taxes Chased those industries out!

Worst still is American Apathy in general. Everyone wants government hand outs but where is it all supposed to come from?

America is like this...


karmafury's photo
Wed 02/04/09 10:41 PM

Canada’s parliament on Tuesday approved a C$40 billion (US$32 billion),

Looky there,,
It takes $40 billion Canadian dollars to equal $32 billion US dollars, and we are broke.

I would laugh but none of this is funny...


Psst. Now calculate using conversion. Still takes less CDN$.

Winx's photo
Wed 02/04/09 10:44 PM
Edited by Winx on Wed 02/04/09 11:15 PM
I know that Granite City Steel is not the only steel industry in the US. It's the one that I know the most about.

Btw, American Steel is located in Granite City, IL, too.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/04/09 11:06 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Wed 02/04/09 11:08 PM

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/04/09 11:09 PM


Canada’s parliament on Tuesday approved a C$40 billion (US$32 billion),

Looky there,,
It takes $40 billion Canadian dollars to equal $32 billion US dollars, and we are broke.

I would laugh but none of this is funny...


Psst. Now calculate using conversion. Still takes less CDN$.


It takes $40 billion Canadian dollars to equal $32 billion US dollars...

Plain and simple...


mnhiker's photo
Wed 02/04/09 11:35 PM

Should 'Buy American' be part of the stimulus bill? Results
Q. A "Buy American" clause in the $900B stimulus package allows, with some exceptions, only U.S.-made materials and goods to be used in projects funded by the bill.

Do you think a "Buy American" clause should be included in the stimulus bill?

Yes. With a few exceptions, all steel, iron, or manufactured goods used in a stimulus-funded project should be made in the U.S.A. 82%
No. There should be no import restrictions placed on such projects. 15%
Not sure/No opinion 3%

30103 votes




Absolutely.

That will put more people to work and inject more cash into the economy.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/04/09 11:43 PM


Should 'Buy American' be part of the stimulus bill? Results
Q. A "Buy American" clause in the $900B stimulus package allows, with some exceptions, only U.S.-made materials and goods to be used in projects funded by the bill.

Do you think a "Buy American" clause should be included in the stimulus bill?

Yes. With a few exceptions, all steel, iron, or manufactured goods used in a stimulus-funded project should be made in the U.S.A. 82%
No. There should be no import restrictions placed on such projects. 15%
Not sure/No opinion 3%

30103 votes




Absolutely.

That will put more people to work and inject more cash into the economy.


drinker drinker

If we have to pay for it. It might as well be spent on American products.

Winx's photo
Wed 02/04/09 11:45 PM



Should 'Buy American' be part of the stimulus bill? Results
Q. A "Buy American" clause in the $900B stimulus package allows, with some exceptions, only U.S.-made materials and goods to be used in projects funded by the bill.

Do you think a "Buy American" clause should be included in the stimulus bill?

Yes. With a few exceptions, all steel, iron, or manufactured goods used in a stimulus-funded project should be made in the U.S.A. 82%
No. There should be no import restrictions placed on such projects. 15%
Not sure/No opinion 3%

30103 votes




Absolutely.

That will put more people to work and inject more cash into the economy.


drinker drinker

If we have to pay for it. It might as well be spent on American products.

You better believe it.drinker

damnitscloudy's photo
Wed 02/04/09 11:46 PM
Karma creates I-beams in Canada? AND I CHOSE TO GO AGAINST THIS GUY!? noway laugh