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Topic: Obama Wants 12 Million Illegals to Get Citizenship
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Sun 03/15/09 02:21 PM
Yes, this is a reprint of old news. It was a campaign promise.
If you can get past the first paragraph and read his plan, you might want to question, "What will giving 12,000,000+ Illegal Immigrants do to help the hunkered down Americans losing jobs and homes?"
No to Amnesty!
Yes, to enforcement of the Laws on the Books.
Yes, to deportation!
Yes, to prosecuting Employers who hire Illegals!

Obama Wants 12 Million Illegals to Get Citizenship

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:18 PM

By: David A. Patten


A Barack Obama administration would be a “nation killer” if Democrats attain a “supermajority” in the Senate, a leading conservative figure on immigration warned Tuesday.

Obama also has said he wants to make the 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S. citizens as soon as he can — an amnesty program that would make them legally entitled to full government benefits, including Social Security and health care.

William Gheen, president of the Raleigh, N.C.-based Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC), says Obama’s plan would make it politically impossible to secure America’s borders. He describes Obama and a new Democratic Congress as a “worst-case scenario” for border and immigration security.

“I would paint that scenario as a nation killer,” Gheen, a former campaign consultant and an outspoken advocate for stronger border control policies, tells Newsmax. “I would expect amnesty to pass within a year. That means in the next presidential election, you will have a new voting bloc of 15 million illegal aliens who turn into voters.

“And that voting bloc,” he says, “especially in the Southwest United States, would be enough to take full control of most city, state, and county governments, thus destroying any future hopes for immigration enforcement or border security.”

Although GOP nominee John McCain has rarely confronted Obama during the campaign over immigration — presumably to avoid alienating Hispanic voters — Obama’s record reflects a clear focus on expanding entitlements to undocumented workers.

As a state senator in Illinois, for example, Obama co-sponsored that state’s version of the DREAM Act, which allowed youngsters in the country illegally to receive in-state tuition. He later supported similar legislation in the U.S. Senate.

During a September campaign swing, Obama told the North Carolina Public Radio station WUNC that the children of illegal immigrants should have an opportunity to attend community colleges.

“For us to deny them access to community college, even though they’ve never lived in Mexico, as least as far as they can tell, is to deny that this is how we’ve always built this country up,” Obama said.

According to the NewsObserver.com, the McCain campaign reacted to Obama’s remark by issuing the statement: “John McCain does not support amnesty or benefits for undocumented immigrants. He has consistently opposed giving amnesty or public benefits to undocumented immigrants.”

Obama, who tends to dismiss discussion of his pro-immigration positions as politically motivated “distractions,” has demonstrated no such reticence to expand entitlements for illegals. Specifically:

# Obama’s plan for universal health care would include coverage for illegal immigrants, according to political strategist and Newsmax columnist **** Morris. Morris has warned that covering illegals “adds dramatically” to the cost of universal health care.

# In March, Obama voted to table a Senate amendment that would support the withdrawal of federal assistance “to sanctuary cities that ignore the immigration laws of the United States and create safe havens for illegal aliens and potential terrorists.” McCain did not cast a vote.

# Obama supported the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform legislation that was defeated in 2006. Since then, McCain has taken the position that securing the borders must precede immigration reform. Obama continues to support a process to “bring people out of the shadows” and eventually obtain legal status (at which point they would be eligible for the federally mandated benefits available to anyone, such as Social Security). Obama also calls for enhanced border security.

# The Democratic candidate for president supports, in principle, providing state-funded welfare benefits to legal immigrants. While a state senator, Obama supported allocating state funds to provide Medicaid coverage to some legal immigrants, according to OnTheIssues.org.

# Obama has supported increasing the number of work visas issued each year, such as the H1-B visa, especially for applicants with specialized skills. According to OnTheIssues.org, Obama co-sponsored, along with New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, a bill that would provide federal funding to help states provide health care and education to non-U.S. citizens.

# Obama strongly supports encouraging American children to become bilingual and, at one point in the campaign, appeared to suggest it should be mandatory. In June, he voted against a Senate provision that would declare English the national language of the United States. McCain voted for it.

Edward I. Nelson, the chairman of the nonprofit U.S. Border Control organization, warns that “Welfare and in-state tuition are powerful inducements to illegal immigration, as are free medical benefits.”

Nelson says his organization has awarded both Obama and McCain an “F” on their immigration and border control policies.

Gheen says Obama and McCain both would ultimately favor amnesty for illegals, albeit differently.

“Obama would give in-state tuition and driver’s licenses to illegal aliens, then make them legal,” Gheen says. “McCain would make them legal, and then give them in-state tuition and driver’s licenses.”

Fanta46's photo
Sun 03/15/09 02:24 PM
OMG,
Here's another one!

Obama cant do it on his own!
It would take a bill passed by both houses to do that!

Not saying they wont, but Obama cant do it!

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/15/09 02:25 PM
why is it when i said that about other presidents i was ignored????


willing2's photo
Sun 03/15/09 02:30 PM
That was his promise.
About a hundred of these groups, including the Association for Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the National Education Association (NEA) and the National Council of La Raza, have already received billions of tax dollars under Obama’s $787 billion stimulus plan. Yet they now stand to rake in even more federal money under the $410 billion omnibus spending bill now wending its way through Congress.

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Sun 03/15/09 02:37 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sun 03/15/09 02:37 PM

That was his promise.
About a hundred of these groups, including the Association for Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the National Education Association (NEA) and the National Council of La Raza, have already received billions of tax dollars under Obama’s $787 billion stimulus plan. Yet they now stand to rake in even more federal money under the $410 billion omnibus spending bill now wending its way through Congress.


If it's a bill similar to the last one. The one that failed a year ago. Its not Amnesty, and as then I will support it!

Like I did then!

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/15/09 02:37 PM

:tongue: I dont believe your really an American.:tongue: You need to post your birth certificate:tongue:


i want yours too lol...and not in crayonbigsmile

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/15/09 02:39 PM
i know i was way out of the loop for a while. which bill to do what to who and how?

Giocamo's photo
Sun 03/15/09 03:08 PM

why is it when i said that about other presidents i was ignored????




Article 1...Section 8...bout sums it up...lol...Rose...I was ignored too...grumble

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/15/09 03:10 PM


why is it when i said that about other presidents i was ignored????




Article 1...Section 8...bout sums it up...lol...Rose...I was ignored too...grumble


lol well i'm used to it....ok not really lol

i have been saying the president doesn't have absolute power and congress has a hand in it too

and it seems to me that we the people are underestimated

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Sun 03/15/09 03:53 PM
I have removed several comments from this thread, please debate/discuss this in a civil manner, folks..

Thanks,

Mark

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Sun 03/15/09 03:55 PM

I have removed several comments from this thread, please debate/discuss this in a civil manner, folks..

Thanks,

Mark


yay for the moderators

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Sun 03/15/09 04:02 PM

Obama Wants 12 Million Illegals to Get Citizenship


..and how is this different from pilgrims and their offspring coming to America and staying here? I hope that no one would suggest that American Indians did not deserve the same as Americans do now. Let's not go there. With that said, what is the problem? How do we proceed denying others what we have gotten the same way ourselves?

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/15/09 04:06 PM
i have no problem with people getting citizenship....as long as they follow the rules like i have to

nogames39's photo
Sun 03/15/09 04:06 PM

i have no problem with people getting citizenship....as long as they follow the rules like i have to


Such as...?

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/15/09 04:08 PM


i have no problem with people getting citizenship....as long as they follow the rules like i have to


Such as...?


taxes (whether i agree with the taxes or not) for one
and following the laws in the country....even though i don't like all of them either lol


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Sun 03/15/09 04:21 PM


Obama Wants 12 Million Illegals to Get Citizenship


..and how is this different from pilgrims and their offspring coming to America and staying here? I hope that no one would suggest that American Indians did not deserve the same as Americans do now. Let's not go there. With that said, what is the problem? How do we proceed denying others what we have gotten the same way ourselves?


:heart: Because we forget our ancestors came here for the same reasons. :heart:

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Sun 03/15/09 04:24 PM
very true meatloaf

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Sun 03/15/09 04:27 PM
I have mexicans on my street that never bother anyone and are legal. They rarely make eye contact because of some of the attitudes here. It makes me angry that they have to feel that way, when most want nothing more than to work and live a decent life just as most of us do no matter where our people came from. I wish we would settle this once and for all in a manner fitting of what this country stands for.

Some of us don't follow the rules, in all colors, wish we would focus more on rule breakers than people that just want to live life.

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Sun 03/15/09 04:29 PM

I have mexicans on my street that never bother anyone and are legal. They rarely make eye contact because of some of the attitudes here. It makes me angry that they have to feel that way, when most want nothing more than to work and live a decent life just as most of us do no matter where our people came from. I wish we would settle this once and for all in a manner fitting of what this country stands for.

Some of us don't follow the rules, in all colors, wish we would focus more on rule breakers than people that just want to live life.


the lady next door to me can barely speak english (her kids translate) she is legal and a very sweet women. he husband is a very hard worker and will help out anyone

i totally agree that anyone who is a citizen obey the laws...whether they like it or not. if laws are broken....then they can face the consequences. that's how it is in america

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Sun 03/15/09 04:33 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sun 03/15/09 04:34 PM


I have mexicans on my street that never bother anyone and are legal. They rarely make eye contact because of some of the attitudes here. It makes me angry that they have to feel that way, when most want nothing more than to work and live a decent life just as most of us do no matter where our people came from. I wish we would settle this once and for all in a manner fitting of what this country stands for.

Some of us don't follow the rules, in all colors, wish we would focus more on rule breakers than people that just want to live life.


the lady next door to me can barely speak english (her kids translate) she is legal and a very sweet women. he husband is a very hard worker and will help out anyone

i totally agree that anyone who is a citizen obey the laws...whether they like it or not. if laws are broken....then they can face the consequences. that's how it is in america


How can she be legal if she doesnt speak English?

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