Please forgive me for doing a cut and past and for the length of this
article but I think it is imparative that this information gets out.

Raymond S. Kraft is a writer living in Northern California that has
studied the Middle Eastern culture and religion.

Historical Significance

Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of Europe and
hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat . The Nazis had
sunk more than 400 British ships in their convoys between England and
America taking food and war
materials .

At that time the US was in an isolationist, pacifist mood, and most
Americans wanted nothing to do with the European or the Asian war .

Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and in outrage
Congress unanimously declared war on Japan, and the following day on
Germany, who had not yet attacked us. It was a dicey thing. We had few
allies.

France was not an ally, as the Vichy government of France quickly
aligned itself with its German occupiers. Germany was certainly not an
ally, as Hitler was intent on setting up a Thousand Year Reich in
Europe. Japan was not an ally, as it was
well on its way to owning and controlling all of Asia.

Together, Japan and Germany had long-range plans of invading Canada and
Mexico, as launching pads to get into the United States over our
northern and southern borders, after they finished gaining control of
Asia and Europe.

America's only allies then were England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada,
Australia, and Russia. That was about it All of Europe, from Norway to
Italy (except Russia in the East) was already under the Nazi heel.

The US was certainly not prepared for war. The US had drastically
downgraded most of its military forces after WW I because of the
depression, so that at the outbreak of WW II, Army units were training
with broomsticks because they didn't have guns, and cars with "tank"
painted on the doors because they didn't have real tanks. A huge chunk
of our Navy had
just been sunk or damaged at Pearl Harbor.

Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of $600
million in gold bullion in the Bank of England (that was actually the
property of Belgium ) given by Belgium to England to carry on the war
when Belgium was overrun by Hitler (a little known fact).

Actually, Belgium surrendered on one day, because it was unable to
oppose the German invasion,and the Germans bombed Brussels into rubble
the next day just to prove they could.

Britain had already been holding out for two years in the face of
staggering losses and the near decimation of its Royal Air Force in the
Battle of Britain, and was saved from being overrun by Germany only
because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits were a relatively
minor threat that could be
dealt with later. Hitler, first turned his attention to Russia, in the
late summer of 1940 at a time when England was on the verge of collapse.

Ironically, Russia saved America's butt by putting up a desperate fight
for two years, until the US got geared up to begin hammering away at
Germany .

Russia lost something like 24,000,000 people in the sieges of Stalingrad
and Moscow alone... 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly
civilians, but also more than a 1,000,000 soldiers.

Had Russia surrendered, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire
war effort against the Brits, then America. If that had happened, the
Nazis could possibly have won the war.

All of this has been brought out to illustrate that turning points in
history are often dicey things. Now, we find ourselves at another one of
those key moments in history.

There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has, or wants,
and may soon have, the ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or
chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world .

The Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs --
they believe that Islam, a radically conservative form of Wahhabi Islam,
should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe, then the
world. To them, all who do not bow
to their will of thinking should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated.
They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel, and purge the world
of Jews. This is their mantra. (goal)

There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East -- for the most part
not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its Inquisition and
its Reformation, but it is not yet known which side will win -- the
Inquisitors, or the Reformationists.

If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will control
the Middle East, the OPEC oil, and the US, European, and Asian
economies.

The techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC -- not an
OPEC dominated by the educated, rational Saudis of today, but an OPEC
dominated by the Jihadis. Do you want gas in your car? Do you want
heating oil next winter? Do you
want the dollar to be worth anything? You had better hope the Jihad,
the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.

If the Reformation movement wins, that is, the moderate Muslims who
believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions, live in
peace with the rest of the world, and move out of the 10th century into
the 21st, then the troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade
away. A moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge.

We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the
Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda and the
Islamic terrorist movements. We have to do it somewhere. We can't do
it everywhere at once. We have created a focal point for the battle at
a time and place of our choosing in Iraq. Not in New York , not in
London , or Paris or Berlin, but in Iraq, where we are doing two
important things.

(1) We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein was directly
involved in the 9/11 terrorist attack or not, it is undisputed that
Saddam has been actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades
Saddam is a terrorist! Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass
destruction, responsible for the deaths of probably more than a
1,000,000 Iraqis and 2,000,000
Iranians.

2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic
terrorism in Iraq. We have focused the battle. We are killing bad
people, and the ones we get there we won't have to get here. We also
have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be
a catalyst for democratic change
in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a stabilizing
American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is
needed.

WW II, the war with the Japanese and German Nazis, really began with a
"whimper" in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor. It began with
the Japanese invasion of China. It was a war for fourteen years before
the US joined it. It officially ended in
1945 -- a 17 year war -- and was followed by another decade of US
occupation in Germany and Japan to get those countries reconstructed and
running on their own a gain... a 27 year war.

WW II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a full
year's GDP -- adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion
dollars. WW II cost America more than 400,000 soldiers killed in
action, and nearly 100,000 still missing in action.

The Iraq war has, so far, cost the United States about $160,000,000,000,
which is roughly what the 9/11 terrorist attack cost New York. It has
also cost about 3,000 American lives, which is roughly equivilant to
lives that the Jihad killed (within the United States) in the 9/11
terrorist attack .

The cost of not fighting and winning WW II would have been unimaginably
greater -- a world dominated by Japanese Imperialism and German Nazism .

This is not a 60-Minutes TV show, or a 2-hour movie in which everything
comes out okay. The real world is not like that. It is messy,
uncertain, and sometimes bloody and ugly. It always has been, and
probably always will be .

The bottom line is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism
until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away if we ignore
it.

If the US can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq, then we
have an ally, like England , in the Middle East, a platform, from which
we can work to help modernize and moderate the Middle East. The history
of the world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and
civilization, and the
barbarians clamoring at the gates to conquer the world.

The Iraq War is merely another battle in this ancient and never ending
war. Now, for the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get
nuclear weapons. Unless some body prevents them from getting them.

We have four options:

1. We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.

2. We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which
may be as early as next year, if Iran 's progress on nuclear weapons is
what Iran claims it is).

3. We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle
East now; in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in
America.

OR

4. We can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad is
more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has dominated
France and Germany and possibly most of the rest of Europe. It will, of
course, be more dangerous, more
expensive, and much bloodier.

If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or
grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the
Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today.

The history of the world is the history of civilization clashes,
cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society
and civilization should be like, and the most determined always win.

Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win. The pacifists
always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.

Remember, perspective is every thing, and America's schools teach too
little history for perspective to be clear, especially in the young
American mind.

The Cold War lasted from about 1947 at least until the Berlin Wall came
down in 1989; forty-two years!

Europe spent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon, and
from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany!

World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation,
and the US still has troops in Germany and Japan. World War II resulted
in the death of more than 50,000,000 people, maybe more than 100,000,000
people, depending on which estimates you accept.

The US has taken more than 3,000 killed in action in Iraq. The US took
more than 4,000 killed in action on the morning of June 6, 1944, the
first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism.

In WW II the US averaged 2,000 KIA a week -- for four years. Most of
the individual battles of WW II lost more Americans than the entire Iraq
war has done so far.

The stakes are at least as high... A world dominated by representative
governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms... or
a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, by the Jihad,
under the Mullahs and the Sharia
(Islamic law).

It's difficult to understand why the average American does not grasp
this. They favor human rights, civil rights, liberty and freedom, but
evidently not for Iraqis.

"Peace Activists" always seem to demonstrate here in America , where
it's safe. Why don't we see Peace Activist demonstrating in Iran,
Syria, Iraq, Sudan, North Korea, in the places that really need peace
activism the most? I'll tell you why! They
would be killed!

The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, civil rights,
democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc., but if the Jihad wins,
wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil
rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc.

Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side
of their own worst enemy!

Please consider passing along copies of this article to students in high
school, college and university as it contains information about the
American past that is very meaningful today -- history about America
that very likely is completely unknown by them (and their instructors,
too). By being denied
the facts of our history, they are at a decided disadvantage when it
comes to reasoning and thinking through the issues of today. They are
prime targets for misinformation campaigns beamed at enlisting them in
causes and beliefs that are special interest agenda driven.

great post



doc

I don't there is anything wrong for children to learn about the truth.
Great post.

I'll be back gotta eat...

So where was Australia, in the second World War, chasing sheep with out
thumbs up our butts?


Total number of deaths for the Second World War for Australia....39
000...


What were they doing?

Seeing as apparently we were doing nothing?

Amazing...


and biased post by the OP..

Juat for a more level playing field...


Quoting from WWII for Dummies -"Over 60 million people died in WWII and
of those 60 million, more were civilian than soldiers." Pages 363 and
364 give a run down with some numbers but does not offer a breakdown of
the total civilian vs. soldier.

The Soviet Union lost the most with 25 million deaths, but only about a
third were combat related.

China's death toll is incomplete but estimates are between 15 and 22
million.

Poland had 6 million deaths including 3 million Jews, roughly 20% of its
prewar population.

Germany lost 4 million soldiers and 2 million civilians, many of them
women.

Japan had 1.2 million battle deaths and another 1.4 million soldiers
listed as missing, almost 1 million civilians were killed in the bombing
raids between 1944 and 1945.

Over 1.7 million Yugoslavs and 500,000 Greeks died in the war.

France lost 200,000 soldiers and 400,000 civilians.

Italy lost 330,000 people.

Hungary lost 147,000 men in combat.

Bulgaria lost 19,000 in combat.

Romania lost 73,000 in combat.

Great Britain lost 264,000 soldiers and 60,000 civilians in bombing
raids.

The United States lost 292,000 soldiers.

The Dutch lost 10,000 soldiers and 190,000 civilians.

Australia lost 39,000 men in combat.

Canada lost 37,000 soldiers.

India lost 24,000 men in battle.

New Zealand lost 10,000.

South Africa lost 6,000.

These totals do not include the 6 million Jews who perished in the Final
Solution of Nazi Germany or the 17 million dead as a result of Japan's
policies in Asia from 1931 to 1945.

My adopted parents were older when I was adopted. My mom explained to me
one night why my adopted daddy signed up for the airforce back during
the WW2 invasion and how they met during the war. My mom was a WAC in
the ARMY and she was appauled with hitler. They became pen pals and my
mom was j edgar hoovers personal secretary. My dad was outraged when he
learned about all the books being burned by hitler and his henchmen
along with the "rumors" of the concentration camps and the jews not
known then that were being sent to their deaths in those camps. See in
america during the "dirty thirtys" or depression era for many that were
dirt poor the NEWS of all this was heard on the newly invented RADIO or
thru weekly newspapers for those able to afford the luxury. Now i dont
know the age of this writer Raymond S. Kraft but his comments on the US
and "being isolationist, pacifist mood, (WW2 brought ALOT of jobs to
those just recovering from the depression) America wanted nothing to do
with the European or Asian War" is far from correct. NO ONE wanted to
see that war BUT as America could we have afforded to let Hitler take
over the world? My dad bombed berlin and then again pearl harbor. Both
parents were teachers and both were really bent that books were actually
being burned and then the rumors of the jews/concentration camps was the
reason they both enlisted.
Kraft needs to do a lot more research on the REAL VETERANS out there
before saying as americans they were isolationist or pacifist. Just some
thoughts on this!

Jess is right. Australia played a vital role in WWII, especially in the
Pacific Theatre. In my opinion the so called "Greatest Generation" truly
did save the world, no matter which Allied country's uniform they wore.

Strange, I was always of the opinion that a WW meant WORLD War, so, I
thought that must mean the whole world was involved.

Don't see any stats on Iran or Iraq?

You know if you took gardens article up there and replaced the countries
names with US in the place of Germany, and replaced France, England, and
Belguim with Iraq, Iran, and Syria I would think I was watching
yesterday's news.....

Hell you could place England in the blank left by Japan, and I would be
certain it was on the 6o'clock news yesterday.....

Only real difference is Im not German. Im an American!!!

and like all wars it is always about money..or filling the pockets of
international bankers..

Dubya's Grandpa and Great-Granddad Helped Put Adolf Hitler into Power

by Anton Chaitkin

The following is excerpted from an article that appeared in New
Federalist, June 9, 1997, under the title "Now, as Then: Bush and the
British, from Auschwitz to Africa."

When Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of Germany, his Nazi Party was in
the minority. The Nazis had just suffered setbacks in the German
elections of Nov. 6, 1932, losing 34 Reichstag seats. President
Hindenburg had appointed Kurt von Schleicher Chancellor.

Yet, less than three months later, on Jan. 30, 1933, after a
well-financed Nazi propaganda and armed-terror campaign, Hindenburg
appointed Hitler to take Schleicher's place. The Nazis got Hindenburg to
schedule new elections for March 5. With streams of money for their
propaganda and guns, the Nazis "won" the election, and Hitler seized
power.

The two principal German organizers of this Hitler takeover, were
Hjalmar Schacht and Fritz Thyssen. Both men were operatives of the
British Empire, through Bank of England Governor Montagu Norman, and of
a British-controlled Wall Street grouping at the center of which were
Averell Harriman, and Harriman's partner, Prescott Bush, the father of
the later U.S. President George Bush.

Over several years, every Nazi step toward power in Germany was
coordinated, and Nazi campaign finances were overseen, by this
British-New York axis. Hitler's master-race ideology, which led to mass
extermination, was simultaneously promoted and given the stamp of
approval by this same British-New York faction.

(excluded the rest of the lengthy article)

History is written by the winners...and reality is the history we do not
know..

Jess!! heres to you m8

Davinci, you might also include that JFK's dad was the Ambassador to
England when Hitler was coming to power and that he was also pro Hitler
and was removed from that position because of his pro Hitler stance.
And for those of you that are hung up on the numbers, you missed the
whole point of the article, the numbers are just background information
the point is that now like then we are teetering on the brink of a world
war and most people are to miopic to realize it.

The ironic thing is...those that appear to know nothing...know
plenty..myopic?

Sorry, no...the opposite, almost luminously visionary as to the ways of
this world.

And yes, there may well be another World War on the way...a three way
one this time...those,them and the Earth against humanity..

(Bet I know who won't win..)

Or is it just my near sightedness showing?

Quote:
"You know if you took gardens article up there and replaced the
countries
names with US in the place of Germany, and replaced France, England, and
Belguim with Iraq, Iran, and Syria I would think I was watching
yesterday's news.....

Hell you could place England in the blank left by Japan, and I would be
certain it was on the 6o'clock news yesterday.....

Only real difference is Im not German. Im an American!!!"

Oh give me a break Fanta, you compare what we are doing in Iraq with the
germans of WWII? I think I am missing something here, where did we
create concentration camps and GAS the religious leaders and followers?
Where did we destroy and Maime entire populations because of religion?

It seems to me that Local Government in Iraq is in the process of become
a democracy. I say this due to what I read about elections being held. I
say this due to what I have seen on the news channels from time to time.

HHHhhmmm, I have a few simple questions for those who think we should
already be out of Iraq.

How long did it take us to develop our Democracy to govern our own
country? 5 years, 10 yrs, 20 yrs. As far as I know we are still
developing it and the constitution was signed when? What year?

How many people died in the name of Democracy? Seems to me people die
every day for democracy. Care to tell me how many died in South Africa
and aparthied?

How much work and bloodshed does it take to keep it? Once again does
9/11 ring a bell?

For those bleeding heart Liberals who want everyone to have the same
rights as they do, but are not willing to pay the price. I say take a
hike. There is a price to pay for these liberties and if its to hot in
the Kitchen get out and let me do the cooking.

Many claims have been made that our illustrious president falsified
reports to get us into Iraq, and that these reports did not contain any
information compelling enough to warrant an invasion of a soveriegn
country. Lets put aside the fact that known terrorists were hiding
within Bagdad and were close friends with Saddam. Lets put away the fact
that genocide occurred and was still occurring in northern Iraq. Lets
put Aside the fact that inspections of certain facilities for Nuclear
Arms was denied. Lets put aside that Saddam claimed to be close to
Nuclear arms in the early 1980's. Lets put aside Saddam was one of our
Allies and we Furnished him with components that helped him Gain AND
Control HIS country.

Put that all aside and tell me what it would take for you to invade
another soveriegn country and get a democracy started for the people to
govern themselves?

You Bleeding Hearts think words will get this done? I am sure Bush knew
the consequences when he started this and made His decision to do it
Because He felt it was his RIGHT to perform the necessary evils. You act
like he has no heart, you act like he knew what would happen and how
long it would take to develope a democracy in Iraq.

I was a cold hearted SOB for many years, and emotions were few, however
I still shed a tear from time to time when I would see something on TV
about living in the Middle east. Get a life, get a job, and pay taxes to
support the Illegal Aliens that are draining our welfare system.

Get out and vote responsibly don't take my word on it. Read up on the
things proposed in elections and make a stand count. On most occasions I
ask people what they voted on at election time and they answer me with a
blank stare. They have no idea what is contained in a certain
proposition, but they are willing to tell me how they voted. Usually
they use someones words that were on TV, and that my friends is a sheep
being led to slaughter.

Wow did I get off track, Suffice to say think about what it takes to
form a working government and how much time it takes to insure it will
last.

Besides you act like we are the only people in Iraq.





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Short answer------Yes!!!