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Topic: Hypothetical Question
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Fri 04/24/09 07:15 PM
Edited by crickstergo on Fri 04/24/09 07:35 PM
Here is the situation

The US has in custody an individual that provides proof without a doubt that New York will be attacked with a nuclear weapon within twenty four hours.
Our intelligence on where the weapon is, is suspect at best. Using the accepted methods of interrogations has revealed nothing for 7 days. Would you as president let New York be obliterated or would you authorize enhanced interrogation procedures such as waterboarding.

Edited to add: Our intelligence believes this individual knows where the weapon is.

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Fri 04/24/09 07:20 PM

Here is the situation

The US has in custody an individual that provides proof without a doubt that New York will be attacked with a nuclear weapon within twenty four hours.
Our intelligence on where the weapon is, is suspect at best. Using the accepted methods of interrogations has revealed nothing for 7 days. Would you as president let New York be obliterated or would you authorize enhanced interrogation procedures such as waterboarding.


Don't you ever, ever! underestimate the intelligence resources of this country. Posing a question like that only proves the inquirer has not got a clue what they are talking about.
Sorry I vented but if you just knew......

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Fri 04/24/09 07:22 PM
Waterboard, electrocution, cuttin off a finger at a time, whatever it took to get the info outta the person. It's one person compared to millions. shades

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Fri 04/24/09 07:26 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 04/24/09 07:28 PM

Here is the situation

The US has in custody an individual that provides proof without a doubt that New York will be attacked with a nuclear weapon within twenty four hours.
Our intelligence on where the weapon is, is suspect at best. Using the accepted methods of interrogations has revealed nothing for 7 days. Would you as president let New York be obliterated or would you authorize enhanced interrogation procedures such as waterboarding.



laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

If you already have proof without doubt why would you need to torture anyone?

Esp since torture does not provide accurate results!


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Fri 04/24/09 07:26 PM
I hope we don't ever face that choice. With the new policy in place it seems to me that New York City would disappear. On the bright side, we could always say we kept a higher moral standard.

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Fri 04/24/09 07:30 PM
Why is the "Truth Serum" not an option? Is that in violations of someones rights to privacy? Why would that not work? what

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Fri 04/24/09 07:30 PM

Waterboard, electrocution, cuttin off a finger at a time, whatever it took to get the info outta the person. It's one person compared to millions. shades


Beans. You're assuming that this sh!t will make him give you TRUTHFUL info. So he says where the bomb is. How many wild goose chases are you gonna let this guy send you on?

I've quoted this before. I believe it's from retired Gen. John Hutson:

"Torture is the refuge of the lazy, the stupid and the pseudo-tough"

Regards,

Guido

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Fri 04/24/09 07:31 PM


Here is the situation

The US has in custody an individual that provides proof without a doubt that New York will be attacked with a nuclear weapon within twenty four hours.
Our intelligence on where the weapon is, is suspect at best. Using the accepted methods of interrogations has revealed nothing for 7 days. Would you as president let New York be obliterated or would you authorize enhanced interrogation procedures such as waterboarding.



laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

If you already have proof without doubt why would you need to torture anyone?

Esp since torture does not provide accurate results!




OK, I set that one up bad. Let's add our intelligence believes this individual knows where the weapon is.

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Fri 04/24/09 07:33 PM

Why is the "Truth Serum" not an option? Is that in violations of someones rights to privacy? Why would that not work? what


I like that thought.bigsmile

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Fri 04/24/09 07:36 PM
Edited by TheresMyFriend on Fri 04/24/09 07:37 PM


Why is the "Truth Serum" not an option? Is that in violations of someones rights to privacy? Why would that not work? what


I like that thought.bigsmile


Thanks Winx... If they/we can supposedly put man on the moon...why would the Serum be such a difficult task? Have a fun/safe weekend. :banana:

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Fri 04/24/09 07:37 PM
This drug received its nickname "truth serum" after its effects. After taking "truth serum" the patients become very communicative, sharing their thoughts without hesitation. It is common misperception to assume that the truth serum will make you tell the truth. The patient may lose the inhibition, but will not lose self-control. Therefore, the patient will not tell the truth if he/she chooses not to do so. Thus, the episode in the movie "True Lies" involving the truth serum is not presented correctly to the viewers, because Arnold could easily lied to the terrorists.

http://www.psicologia.freeservers.com/diversos/soro_verdade.html

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Fri 04/24/09 07:39 PM


Waterboard, electrocution, cuttin off a finger at a time, whatever it took to get the info outta the person. It's one person compared to millions. shades


Beans. You're assuming that this sh!t will make him give you TRUTHFUL info. So he says where the bomb is. How many wild goose chases are you gonna let this guy send you on?

I've quoted this before. I believe it's from retired Gen. John Hutson:

"Torture is the refuge of the lazy, the stupid and the pseudo-tough"

Regards,

Guido



Forgive me, I'm in a bad mood an I typed before I throughy thought it out. Havin a crappy night. I'm entitled to at least one every once in awhile.shades

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Fri 04/24/09 07:40 PM
Edited by Winx on Fri 04/24/09 07:41 PM



Why is the "Truth Serum" not an option? Is that in violations of someones rights to privacy? Why would that not work? what


I like that thought.bigsmile


Thanks Winx... If they/we can supposedly put man on the moon...why would the Serum be such a difficult task? Have a fun/safe weekend. :banana:


Maybe even a few drinks might do the trick.bigsmile

You have a great weekend too.happy flowerforyou



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Fri 04/24/09 07:40 PM
Edited by TheresMyFriend on Fri 04/24/09 07:43 PM

This drug received its nickname "truth serum" after its effects. After taking "truth serum" the patients become very communicative, sharing their thoughts without hesitation. It is common misperception to assume that the truth serum will make you tell the truth. The patient may lose the inhibition, but will not lose self-control. Therefore, the patient will not tell the truth if he/she chooses not to do so. Thus, the episode in the movie "True Lies" involving the truth serum is not presented correctly to the viewers, because Arnold could easily lied to the terrorists.

http://www.psicologia.freeservers.com/diversos/soro_verdade.html


Well, here is a NEW idea....give'em the serum, THEN beat the sh*t out of them. Somethings got to change their mind. haha(that's funny, no matter who you are).drinks

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Fri 04/24/09 07:41 PM


This drug received its nickname "truth serum" after its effects. After taking "truth serum" the patients become very communicative, sharing their thoughts without hesitation. It is common misperception to assume that the truth serum will make you tell the truth. The patient may lose the inhibition, but will not lose self-control. Therefore, the patient will not tell the truth if he/she chooses not to do so. Thus, the episode in the movie "True Lies" involving the truth serum is not presented correctly to the viewers, because Arnold could easily lied to the terrorists.

http://www.psicologia.freeservers.com/diversos/soro_verdade.html


Well, here is a NEW idea....give'em the serum, THEN beat the sh*t out of. Somethings got to change their mind. haha(that's funny, no matter who you are).drinks


rofl

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Fri 04/24/09 07:44 PM
offtopic offtopic offtopic

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Fri 04/24/09 07:46 PM
Hot off the press. Yet more testimony as to how torture doesn't work:

In 2002, Military Agency Warned Against 'Torture'
Extreme Duress Could Yield Unreliable Information, It Said

By Peter Finn and Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, April 25, 2009

The military agency that provided advice on harsh interrogation techniques for use against terrorism suspects referred to the application of extreme duress as "torture" in a July 2002 document sent to the Pentagon's chief lawyer and warned that it would produce "unreliable information."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/24/AR2009042403171.html?hpid=topnews


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Fri 04/24/09 07:50 PM

Hot off the press. Yet more testimony as to how torture doesn't work:

In 2002, Military Agency Warned Against 'Torture'
Extreme Duress Could Yield Unreliable Information, It Said

By Peter Finn and Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, April 25, 2009

The military agency that provided advice on harsh interrogation techniques for use against terrorism suspects referred to the application of extreme duress as "torture" in a July 2002 document sent to the Pentagon's chief lawyer and warned that it would produce "unreliable information."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/24/AR2009042403171.html?hpid=topnews




You answered the question indirectly but thanks. I do take notice of the word COULD.

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Fri 04/24/09 07:55 PM
Edited by JimmyTheGent on Fri 04/24/09 07:58 PM
Better read it again. That's a "w".

Correction. Both words are used here. Doesn't change anything though.

And how many experienced interrogators do you have to have to hear from before you stop relying on draft dodger D!ck Cheney?

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Fri 04/24/09 08:00 PM



Here is the situation

The US has in custody an individual that provides proof without a doubt that New York will be attacked with a nuclear weapon within twenty four hours.
Our intelligence on where the weapon is, is suspect at best. Using the accepted methods of interrogations has revealed nothing for 7 days. Would you as president let New York be obliterated or would you authorize enhanced interrogation procedures such as waterboarding.



laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

If you already have proof without doubt why would you need to torture anyone?

Esp since torture does not provide accurate results!




OK, I set that one up bad. Let's add our intelligence believes this individual knows where the weapon is.


Where did they get this weapon? It is virtually impossible to get one into the US.

As there is no reason to believe that torture results in accurate intell, why waste the time?

Throw the idiot in a jail cell an then evacuate the city!
If torture would work then undoubtedly the idea of frying alone would too!

Why are you constantly defending an Administrations practice of torture when it goes against every thing America stands for?

**** Cheney is not the Messiah!

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