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Topic: Cheney on gay marriage
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Tue 06/02/09 08:36 AM
Edited by quiet_2008 on Tue 06/02/09 08:41 AM
The stone walls against sexual preference discrimination in America are crumbling, as conservative former Vice President Di ck Cheney on Monday gave his secular blessing to same-sex marriage.

While saying he doesn't have "any problems" with gay and lesbian marriage, Cheney did say legalization issues should be left up to the states.

Cheney is the father of a partnered gay daughter. Mary Cheney was a visible presence in the vice president's 2000 and 2004 campaigns.

In a National Press Club appearance, Cheney declared: "I think, you know, freedom means freedom for everyone. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish, any kind of arrangement they wish."

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/170044.asp

prisoner's photo
Tue 06/02/09 08:40 AM
i just like the way we can't speak his first name!rofl be seeing you

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Tue 06/02/09 08:41 AM
knowing his views on torture I guess he feels that everyone should share the pain

Gossipmpm's photo
Tue 06/02/09 08:42 AM
Gays rule!

markd23's photo
Tue 06/02/09 09:51 AM
I will suffice what I'm about to say by saying I am a heterosexual male. That said, I believe there are many serious legal issues related to gay marriage that need to be resolved. Some are restricted from seeing their loved one's at a time of passing! The issue of taxes is also of great concern. This doesn't seem fair.

In addition to the legal issues, I believe there is a moral question in hand here. Despite what the bible says, I believe that marriage is a union between two people who love each other. Who are we to pass judgement on someone who may have a biological tendency towards being a homosexual? Live and let live. Homosexual's should bear just as many basic rights as heterosexuals. Think about it. In the future, I believe our culture will learn to accept this.

MirrorMirror's photo
Tue 06/02/09 01:59 PM
bigsmile It's kind of funny how people who are against gay marriage always seem to change their minds when they realize they have someone gay in their family.flowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Tue 06/02/09 02:01 PM
:smile: Straight people in the past used to have arranged marriages.:smile: Marrying for love as we do now was unheard of and considered stupid.:smile:

Foliel's photo
Tue 06/02/09 02:03 PM

:smile: Straight people in the past used to have arranged marriages.:smile: Marrying for love as we do now was unheard of and considered stupid.:smile:


sadly the practice still continues, look at that guy that cut his penis off to spite his family for not allowing him to marry a girl he loved.

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Tue 06/02/09 02:10 PM
if it's not called holy matrimony then who cares, let 'em. They should be able to get the tax credits, the insurance or whatever else a married couple has or doesn't have. Christians don't have to agree with it but we are never going to stop it so to speak. If they are sharing a household they need the same rights as far as who they want to claim as a dependent, leave their insurance to, support or whatever. If they are not bothering me or forcing anything on me then I can give the same consideration.

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Tue 06/02/09 02:25 PM
everyone is entitled to their own opinions on this subject...whether pro or anti. when it is forced on others....that's when it crosses the line. just as people changing their minds on anything in life

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Tue 06/02/09 02:31 PM
When someone you love unconditionally is born gay, it does change your views on gay rights so it makes sense.

It is really noone elses business who another person wants to marry as long as age and mental capacity are within limits so the whole argument should a mute point. Let people marry who they want to.

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Tue 06/02/09 02:32 PM

When someone you love unconditionally is born gay, it does change your views on gay rights so it makes sense.

It is really noone elses business who another person wants to marry as long as age and mental capacity are within limits so the whole argument should a mute point. Let people marry who they want to.


drinker

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Tue 06/02/09 02:37 PM

When someone you love unconditionally is born gay, it does change your views on gay rights so it makes sense.

It is really noone elses business who another person wants to marry as long as age and mental capacity are within limits so the whole argument should a mute point. Let people marry who they want to.
bigsmile I agreeflowerforyou

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Tue 06/02/09 02:49 PM
lets all break out the k-y

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Tue 06/02/09 05:19 PM

bigsmile It's kind of funny how people who are against gay marriage always seem to change their minds when they realize they have someone gay in their family.flowerforyou


Not a single member of my family that I know of is gay in any way. I do however have friends and customers that are gay. That does not change my personal beliefs on marriage. I agree that there should be a civil union that allows the same rights as marriages to to ram the issue down everyone's throat in a Majority Democratic process is whining and crying and throwing a temper tantrum like little children not getting their way.

The majority voted, gays lost, get over yourselves! Much like I have been chided for not accepting Obama during our elections for president well in this instance the shoe is on the other foot. there is a way to have your cake and eat it too but crapping on my piece of cake is not doing your cause any favors!

It is funny how small factions of a population can try to hold sway over so many.

This is sort of like comparing North Korea to the situation. Kim Jong Il and his cronies are a hand full of men yet they make the world nervous and hold a population of millions captive.

Again, if you give a mouse a cookie he is going to want more and more and more.



"I want it ALL!"

the mouse with the cookie...

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Tue 06/02/09 07:27 PM

bigsmile It's kind of funny how people who are against gay marriage always seem to change their minds when they realize they have someone gay in their family.flowerforyou

Hey, if that is what it takes ever family should have one, though I am not sure how true that is, often they are disowned or like in my case just ignored in favor of the perfect christian sibling. Works out good for me though, don't have the listen to the bs, have a 3 thousand mile seperation..

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Tue 06/02/09 07:39 PM


bigsmile It's kind of funny how people who are against gay marriage always seem to change their minds when they realize they have someone gay in their family.flowerforyou


Not a single member of my family that I know of is gay in any way. I do however have friends and customers that are gay. That does not change my personal beliefs on marriage. I agree that there should be a civil union that allows the same rights as marriages to to ram the issue down everyone's throat in a Majority Democratic process is whining and crying and throwing a temper tantrum like little children not getting their way.

The majority voted, gays lost, get over yourselves! Much like I have been chided for not accepting Obama during our elections for president well in this instance the shoe is on the other foot. there is a way to have your cake and eat it too but crapping on my piece of cake is not doing your cause any favors!

It is funny how small factions of a population can try to hold sway over so many.

This is sort of like comparing North Korea to the situation. Kim Jong Il and his cronies are a hand full of men yet they make the world nervous and hold a population of millions captive.

Again, if you give a mouse a cookie he is going to want more and more and more.



"I want it ALL!"

the mouse with the cookie...


Easy for you isn't it, it's not your rights being taken away or not given. Get over yourselves? One day everyone will find this issue important enough to get them off their butts to actually vote. Because a number larger than the actual vote count lost it for us, doesn't mean the actual majority voted on it.

Because we are the Minority shouldn't give you the right to decide our lives for us.

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Tue 06/02/09 07:43 PM
Reminder, guys: Let's stay on topic and keep it civil.

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Tue 06/02/09 09:05 PM



bigsmile It's kind of funny how people who are against gay marriage always seem to change their minds when they realize they have someone gay in their family.flowerforyou


Not a single member of my family that I know of is gay in any way. I do however have friends and customers that are gay. That does not change my personal beliefs on marriage. I agree that there should be a civil union that allows the same rights as marriages to to ram the issue down everyone's throat in a Majority Democratic process is whining and crying and throwing a temper tantrum like little children not getting their way.

The majority voted, gays lost, get over yourselves! Much like I have been chided for not accepting Obama during our elections for president well in this instance the shoe is on the other foot. there is a way to have your cake and eat it too but crapping on my piece of cake is not doing your cause any favors!

It is funny how small factions of a population can try to hold sway over so many.

This is sort of like comparing North Korea to the situation. Kim Jong Il and his cronies are a hand full of men yet they make the world nervous and hold a population of millions captive.

Again, if you give a mouse a cookie he is going to want more and more and more.



"I want it ALL!"

the mouse with the cookie...


Easy for you isn't it, it's not your rights being taken away or not given. Get over yourselves? One day everyone will find this issue important enough to get them off their butts to actually vote. Because a number larger than the actual vote count lost it for us, doesn't mean the actual majority voted on it.

Because we are the Minority shouldn't give you the right to decide our lives for us.



Please keep in mind that statement does work both ways. What gives a minority voice the right to usurp the will of majority? I did vote against it. I didn't out of a sense of Malaise towards anyone. I did it because I am tired of standards being changed to fit every sensitivity. Instead of hammering out a better plan for a civil union a portion of the population has to have it their way or no way at all. There is no concession or middle ground. There is no compromise. It is just this whining "ME ME ME" attitude I am tired of in this whole argument. Please tell me where the middle ground is because gay marriage is not one of those easy to compromise situations. I would love to hear your answer as to this philosophical dilemma.

Besides, the people have chosen. I heard that a lot with Obama's being elected. Well...spock


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By the way, no this is not easy for me. I would love to see everyone happy but the fact is you cannot please everyone. I am also tired of how we can draw lines and impose our beliefs on each other. Gay Marriage rubs institutionalized standards in a way as to be destructive to teh fabric of the nuclear family unit and that involves "Breeding" members of society seeking religious justification for child rearing. That does not make a family. A family is made in the heart and if you need a piece of paper to justify that then you are not exactly as strong as you think you are. Marriage is too flippantly thrown around and abused enough as it is. A large number of gay marriages end in divorce in the same two year span as every other normal marriage and that unto itself is wrong. Marriage was supposed to me a life time commitment but evidently a lot of people gay and straight forget that.

I am for a better system of Civil Union. It should entitle life partners to the same benefits as any normal Marriage. That I can get with. But to ram personal beliefs in the face of just about all religion is spiteful, self serving, self interested, and wrong for a host of other reasons. It is bad enough the values that made this country great have become so distorted over the years. At this rate the ideas of Family are going to completely fall apart and then what? We just all have one gigantic orgy and happily traverse the spectrum of sexual behavior as one big happy family of man? Please. That is what happened to Rome eventually and look at what happened to them... they got religion...

Man, I may be Draconian but I am not totally heartless. Sheesh!

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Tue 06/02/09 09:08 PM
That and Dik Cheney is a bad shot on ducks but hell on humans!

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